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It is an animal food additive. And as far as using food that could have gone to starving people in gardens; if the garden produces more food it is a net gain.

Only if the excess amount of food produced equals the amount of molasses used. In this case the excess food produced would have be be more than what the garden produces without molasses. Microbes need carbon; this is true. Carbon can be found in both wood chips and in molasses; this is also true. But: the carbon in molasses is quickly available, and water soluble, which the carbon in wood chips is not.

I can see at least two possible uses for molasses; speeding the cycling of nutrients in the soil, and feeding the leaf surface ecology. In the soil, the rapidly available carbon will fuel a boom bust situation; even before the carbon runs out, numbers of protozoa and nematodes will ramp up due to more bacteria to prey on.

As the bacteria die or get eaten, the other elements that they absorbed will be released to the plants. Fueled by the carbon in the molasses, they will break nitrogen out of organic matter to build their cells.

Plants can only use mineralized nitrogen, not nitrogen fixed in organic matter. So as the bacteria die or are grazed, mineralized nitrogen will be made available. The same may happen with other nutrients, though there have been more studies done on nitrogen. In other words, the nitrogen cycle is speeded up, much to the benefit of plants.

As far as feeding microorganisms on the leaf surface, the carbon in molasses is much easier to apply then wood chips. Keeping a bunch of beneficial organisms in a functional ecosystem living on the leaf surfaces will ensure competition for disease organisms when they show up. Many proponents of applying molasses are also advising the use of compost teas or microbial inoculations on the leaf surface; the molasses will give them the energy to thrive. Another point is that proponents of molasses sprays often advise small frequent doses, which would avoid a boom bust cycle; it should in theory keep a greatly increased microbial population going on the leaves.

I will do some and post the results. The reason there are no references is that scientists do not take the use of molasses seriously. So they do not spend the money to do the testing. Molasses use is one of those things that a fringe group promotes with no science backing them up. Comparing molasses to wood chips the way you are doing it does not make sense. Wood chips are a slow feed for microbes. Molasses is a fast feed. Different product for different purposes.

You brought up the fact that carbon could be added with other forms of organic matter, Do It Yourself Garden Sculptures Limited such as wood chips. I was simply pointing out that the carbon from molasses would have a rather different effect; and apparently you agree with me. But it is not carbon that is the chemical of interest. Carbon is found in many different chemicals and each chemical will have a different effect. The study you refer to was testing the addition of sugar to trees growing in pots.

Each pot, of 1 gal size, received 25 grams of sugar, on average. The study found that trees did grow better with the sugar added. But there are two problems with using this study to understand the addition of molasses to a garden.

You can not translate their findings to a garden situation. Thanks for posting the article — I happened to see it earlier this week and do plant to write about it at some point. Very interesting arguments for and against the use of molasses. My simple non scientific view would be all about short term gain. Will the use of molasses improve the soil quality to produce a good crop?

I used poor quality grow bags to grow tomotoes and need to use a shop bought tomotoe feed or a more organic product? Most of them have worked for me without a reference. For growing vegetables you want fast feeding so that the plants get the food quickly before the season is complete. Molasses will not do that for you. A lot of gardening know how is based on past gardeners knowledge — that is grue. However, this same knowledge has also been shown to be wrong in many instances. For example we no longer use tobacco juice to fight pests — it is just too poisonous.

Anything organic will produce nutrients that plants can use. The yeast adds no extra value. Use compost instead. Science has been reduced to propaganda. Studies are manipulated, misinterpreted and cited improperly.

In , not some, but most of what is being espoused by the medical community is commercial propaganda. As much as we like to think science supports the way we believe, the basis for our societies support for most things is commercial propaganda, not science.

It is sad that you feel this way, but I know you are not the only one. I may use this in one of my blogs and give a fuller reply, without your name attached. For now let me say two things. If you live in a house, drive a car, and work you are using the benefits of science. If you really do not believe in science — give all of these up. I agree that there are issues with science — but minor ones compared to your statements. But what else do we have for information?

Friends who know less than you? Facebook and Pinterest? Self beliefs and gut feelings? There really are no other choices for information that come close to science. If it did, they would grow in the bottle. Microbes are everywhere … no? How could they not be in molasses? The processing of food is done so it kills the microbes.

I would guess molasses is sterilized before bottling. If you pour some out onto the table it will get covered in microbes quite quickly and they will start to grow. I believe that the molasses and the sugar it contains targets the ever present mycelium that connects to the roots of the plants. That is why the molasses is diluted by water.

When you add anything to soil — it will not target one type of organism over another. It simply spreads out in the soil, and if an organism is present that can use the nutrient — it does so. Fungi and bacteria will both make use of sugars. It is diluted in order to make it seem like you are feeding a bigger area of soil. But once the sugar is used up — the same microbes populations will crash. Granted more fungi, might mean more nutrients delivered to plants — but again this is a short term thing which the sugar lasts.

I wonder if there is a molasses effect on plants not through the soil microflora population directly, but via the locally-produced CO2 from the microflora consumption of the sugar. For that reason, beneficial effects would only be observed in controlled environments like grow houses. Just an hypothesis. Lets assume the excess CO2 was providing some special benefit. Then any organic mater that the microbes used would produce the same effect. There is no reason why molasses would be special?

Nothing is a miracle cure-all just a general statement about life. However, the addition of molasses as one-step in an overall organic program can be beneficial. My theory is a result of personal observation therefore anecdotal at best. While not using extensive controls, I have observed differences in the soils where I added 1 compost twice a year, mulch once a year, organic fertilizer once a year, and 2 molasses immediately prior to adding compost, mulch and organic fertilizer in the same manner as 1.

The improvement in 2 over a 2-year period was observed to improve at about twice the rate of the soil where no molasses was added. The above protocols worked wonders. I Do It Yourself Garden Signs Youtube now have a good layer of relatively rich, airy soil with earthworms appeared on their own and the plants this spring are emerging vibrant and healthy.

The soil in areas 1 and 2 are strikingly improved over their beginning state. The average depth of the improved soil in 2 is about twice that as in 1. It occurs to me that the molasses is working as an accelerator please pardon my lack of appropriate vocabulary. Possibly from increasing the microbial activity earlier in the year to the level the organic material will carry.

The improved soil appears to be the same quality in both 1 and 2. Without knowing how to test the soil I can only make that generalization. But the volume of the improvement is noticeably increased in 2. But in this particular case, it appears that a benefit was derived from using molasses. I will continue to treat both plots as outlined to see if there is a continued benefit to the addition of molasses, or if the difference in the soil subsides as time passes. This is offered in the spirit of receiving thoughts on the process so that I can learn more from it.

Molasses, being mostly sugar, is easy for bacteria to use as a food source. It should produce rapid growth of bacteria, and if other organic material is added at the same time it is possible that this growth in bacteria also speeds up the decomposing process of the organic mater. It is possible that soil is different but I suspect it is not. Well I do not find the argument debunking molasses any improvement on the arguments in favour. I have seen positive statements about molasses for control of nematodes backed by nematode counts.

I have a very sandy and water repellant sand for my garden soil and I would rather apply molasses in the hopes of some small improvement than accept any argument against that is not supported by good evidence and not speculation. Molasses is not just sugar as many critical of tis use seem to suggest.

My statements about adding sucrose to bacteria is a well known fact. They grow rapidly on the energy source, and once it is used up they crash. In my research for this post I did not find any scientific studies that showed molasses does anything positive for soil, but if you have such references I would love to hear about them. As a once upon a time agricultural entomologist it was common knowledge that sugar was an effective nematode control product.

Besides what happens to all the other plant nutrients in sugar cane after the sugar is boiled off — do you speculate that they are not available when applied to the soil in molasses? Curiously I used molasses to bind the clay of tennis court surfaces with spectacular results — a surface that was better than either bitumen or concrete surface then in vogue. This organisation has to recognise that this is a conscious creation and that the mind stretches from the universal to the individual — anything is possible if the mind can be focussed to a particular end.

I would far rather try molasses than simply accept that someone dismisses the possibility that it might work under some or other set of conditions. Neither would I put all my eggs in one basket or accept that there is a limited preferred set of options for improving soil condition or structure. Soil is probably one of the most complex things on the planet and it is just miraculous how forgiving it, and plants, are. Myths are very useful things and it might be more useful to explore their origins before dismissing them on ones own observations.

The myths I write about are rarely debunked by my own observations—I use published references and accepted science for that. As for looking at the origins of myths—I also do that have started publishing on them. Keep in mind that I have said molasses will not do some good in the garden.

The message I hoped was clear is that molasses is not some miracle magic gardening potion as it is made out to be by many sources.

Unless you have cheap access to it in large quantities is not an environmentally friendly product to use, since it is better used as a food product.

An initial review of molasses and nematodes does indicate that they may be effective but the studies I found were not good quality peer reviewed work. It is interesting that another topic came up this week—the ability of some types of nematodes to kill slugs and snails. So if molasses does decrease nematode populations, it might just also increase slug populations. Robert I Do It Yourself Garden Design Plans Ii think we are talking past one another.

I did not think i. But I think where you really are wrong is in suggesting that published science, or science as practised, can be depended on to save our sanity and money. My experience and I worked for many years as a senior technical advisor for a leading crop protection supplier covering the emerging Monsanto products as well and long enough to learn that science gets seriously bent when profit is at stake. Furthermore, science debunks anything in the fields of intuition, sixth sense, metaphysical, paranormal etc.

For me the joy and ,magic of gardening and growing things is thatoy and delight can Do things. If we are not going to believe science—then we should not waste our time doing it. Robert I believe firmly in science and the principles of science. If scientists are needed to explain what the different forms of molasses are, then we are in sorry mess. Gosh Robert — you may believe in science. I try to apply it in the way I think and act in every aspect of my life. Belief has no place. I also apply science to what you write, and I value and enjoy that whatever disagreement I may suggest..

I think you do tend to make sweeping statements that are no better than the ideas you are trying to set Do It Yourself Garden Pots 60 aside. Maybe the molasses is a thing weed growers use to temporary boost their crop performance.

After all I think it harvests in 2 months. I guess I can rant nuclear power is the most environmental conscious if it were a perfect world. But we all no how dangerous people can be with gasoline another safe chemical. I looked at some of the comment above and I think Robert is also wrong in what he says about molasses being a food product belonging in the fridge.

But you can but it in bulk as the final product after complete sucrose extraction when it is sold as an animal feed additive. In fact before it became fashionable for animal feeding it was even cheaper which is why it was used in clay tennis court construction and maintenance.

When added to soil it does not simply leach away as sugar and definitely not sucrose of which there is minimal in third boiled cane juice. If those microbes have used it they have sequestered captured carbon and that is what we want in soil with everything else that organic elements may contribute to any life in and from soil.

I did not find a product that is called molasses were all of the sugar has been removed. Can you provide a link to such a product? When gardening advice posts on the internet talk about molasses I am quite sure they are talking about the common molasses available to the average household, which has a high sugar content.

That is the molasses that is discussed in this post. The term sequestering carbon is usually used to refer to the capture of CO2 and holding the carbon for an extended period of time. Using this definition microbes do not sequester carbon. Most microbes are bacteria and they have a very short life span. When they die, the carbon in them becomes available to other creatures in the soil—there is no long term storage. Good garden soil is aerobic, ie has oxygen.

Such conditions favor the growth of aerobic bacteria with produce CO2 as they grow. So an increase in bacteria will actually produce a net amount of CO2—not sequester it. Explosive growth never a good thing? Nature is not slow and steady. Take rain for example. You have no control over it. Its timing, quality, or duration and its usually not a slow and steady shower. What is real science? Indisputable proof at a specific point in time.

Or does it? For the most part nature is slow and steady. Heavy downpours of a lot of water are the exception, not the rule. In fact it is the opposite. Science is a description of laws that are followed over long periods of time.

There are scientists and there are non-scientists. The scientists are a special bunch, usually stubborn, hard headed pragmatic type. They tend to hold on to their precious knowledge possession tightly, comforting themselves with a thought that science is the only true method of explaining things. Very valid point, indeed. The problem is that the real science is seldom.

What we have is a structure of scientism where participants scientists fail to recognize that the foundation for their work rests mostly on fundamental assumprions. But Mark is right. And those scientists back then were just as sure as the new ones are today. Just to have been proven wrong by their grandchildren. You say to leave food in the fridge- but the best composts come when including food scraps from produce. Also the reason to add molassas is not because of microbes but because sugar is hydrophilic — it holds water and prevents water loss due to evaporation, making it available to the roots longer and preventing repeated stress of too dry soil between watering a.

Yes—food scraps should go into the compost. A bottle of molasses is not a food scrap. It should be used as food, not for making compost. In my mind it is unconscionable to use good food to grow pretty flowers, when people around the world are starving. The idea that you are uses molasses as a way to prevent water loss makes no sense.

First of all you are adding very little molasses to the soil. If it would hold water it would hold very little since there is not much of it there. Secondly, microbes digest sugars easily, and it does not hang around for very long before they use it up. If this was not the case, you would smell the chlorine when you open a package of sugar. The small residual amounts that might be left will have no effect on microbes.

Micro-organisms feed on carbohydrates, but molasses sugars is a highly concentrated source of carbohydrate energy, compared to other organic material such as leaves, still needing decomposition to be used as energy source for bacteria.

By adding molasses or molasses-meal to soil, you actually induce an explosion in the population of soil microbia. By improving the aeration of a poorly drained soil, the production potential of that soil will be improved.

What you say is mostly true. You will only see an explosion in growth if there is enough nitrogen present to support such growth.

The reproducing microbes also need nitrogen. Since nitrogen is also the most critical nutrient for plants, it is quite possible that the explosive growth robes nitrogen from plants—in the short term— and this is not good for the plants.

It is true that over time the soil structure will be improved. But that happens with any organic material added to soil. Explosive growth for a short time of one form of life in the soil is never a good thing. Slow and steady makes for a much better environment for microbes and the plants. How much should be used? What is most interesting is that almost none of these sites indicated how much soil area is to be covered by these mixtures.

I did find two sites that had the area included. One suggested 7. That is also not very much sugar and will have limited affect on soil structure. As I said in the posting, there is nothing wrong with adding molasses to the garden. It is just not the best option for building soil structure.

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