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Lord, we welcome you here tonight. We welcome you here not only for this night,

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we welcome you for everything that we're going to be covering in the next weeks

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and few months. We're asking that by your spirit, what needs to be said is said.

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What does not need to be said will not be brought up, but only the things that

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you want to take place and you want to have imparted and you want to have

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done will be done and said and and we will activate and flow in and do whatever

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you want done in Jesus' name and we forbid anything else. In Jesus' name. Amen.

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Amen. You can be seated. Well, we're starting a class or series on something

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that been on my heart for a couple of years. I knew it was coming and this year

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it just felt like I told Mary said I just have to do this and it's going to be

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done. I have I've done this once before. Oh, what was it 15 years ago? Something

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like that and it's going to come out totally different this time. He wants

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different things emphasized and obviously in 15 years, hopefully you

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learn something. So it'll be nice to have the house lights up because we will

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have questions and answers at some point and gives people enough light to

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write things down and so forth. But let's start with the name. Doesn't that

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seem like an odd name for a spirit for talking about demons? Infestation and

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manifestation. Infestation, here's the definition to it. To spread or swarm in

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or over in a troublesome manner, to live in or on as a parasite. That's

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exactly what demons do. Especially with Christians, but non-Christians

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it's the same thing. They're not supposed to be living with us or on us or in us.

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They're their life suckers. They're the guy who mentored me in this or

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predominantly. He did the predominant mentoring in this. I'll be referring to

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him numerous times. He said they're like squatters or trespassers. They have no

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right to be there most of the time. Sometimes they do and you have to take

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the right away. But they just move in and they won't go out until you kick

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them out. That's why I call it an infestation. Years ago, someone asked,

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well, do you actually believe Christians can have a demon? Do you want one?

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Why would you ask if you can have one? These are not pets. I went to a

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minister's conference in 1980 that really kind of set the course of life

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for me. And he addressed the subject this way. He said, we shouldn't be

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asking the question like I asked it. Can we have one? The question that

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should be asked is, can a demon have a Christian?

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And approach it from that direction. But once they infest, and if they

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are infesting, then they will try to manifest. And that can be done

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in many, many different ways. Of course, Webster says and manifestation is

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the actor process or an instance of manifesting something that manifests

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outward, visible expression, one of the forms in which an individual is

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manifested. Another letter D there, occult phenomenon, specifically

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materialization. All kinds of things can take place when they

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manifest and they will try to manifest. And we will start

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probably next week with what is a demon and where did they come from

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and why do they want to get in you and me?

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That will help answer the question of manifestation and what that's all

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about. But they're going to try to infest or get on us like a

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parasite and then they're going to try to live through us.

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That's where the name comes from. And like it said on that first

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slide tonight, predominantly I'm going to give my story, which I've

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never given before. This is one of the new things that will take

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place. I've given bits and pieces of it, but I'm going to give

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kind of an overview tonight. And I have many, many things I could

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cover. And since it's so easy to hit so many rabbit trails,

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I put a lot of notes down to try to hold me to the notes

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so that I wouldn't just splinter here, there and everywhere

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and we get done tonight. And it's like, well, I didn't even get

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halfway done with what I was trying to say. So I'm trying to

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hold myself in track. And it's my story. And I wrote a lot of

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notes. So if you're saying, well, it's your story, why are you

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reading so much? To keep me on track. Because as I'm sharing,

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my mind will go all kinds of different directions of different

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experiences and things. And I don't want to have the liberty

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of shooting off into them unless I really know what's

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got. We'll shoot off into them other nights. But

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there's basic things I need to cover in this, how would you

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say, series or session of classes. And people have been

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asking, well, how long is this going to go on? That is

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largely dependent on you. I have some basic things that I

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know he told me you have to cover these things.

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Beyond that, we can just go deeper and deeper and deeper

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if you stay interested. And you keep coming. Now I know some of

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you are joining us by live streaming. That's fine. I

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appreciate that. But it's always better to be in person

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and questions and answers. It's going to be hard for you

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to participate with that on live stream. So if you're in

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the area and you can come, please do so. But I say all

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that to say, we can be done in six weeks with the

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things that I feel God's given me that have to be

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covered. Or we can go through most of the winter and

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just peel layer after layer after layer after layer

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off of this. So it's going to be kind of up to you. If

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you start getting bored, let me know. And we'll wind

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her up. If you want more, let me know. And we'll

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keep talking. It becomes, if it becomes more mature

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mentally, like, oh man, got that class I got to

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go to again tonight. I wish you would get over

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with. Then we'll just wrap it up. But my plan is to

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teach about an hour most nights. Tonight's going to

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be longer because I'm trying to give as much of my

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story as I can in this session. But most of the

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nights it'll be an hour. We'll go from like seven

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to eight and then we'll open up for questions and

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answers. And however long that goes, if that

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goes for a half an hour, 45 minutes, whatever,

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we'll do that. The teaching part will be

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live stream. So you can enjoy that part. The

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question and answers, we're not going to

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live stream. If there's questions that come up

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and usually there are that are pertinent, then

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we will edit them and put them with that

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particular session. And you'll have to catch

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them later if you're watching by live stream.

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But we're not going to do live streaming on the

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questions and answers. And tonight we may not

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have much time for questions and answers

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because I'm probably going to be a little

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bit long-winded. If you are live streaming

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and you get a question, feel free to

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text it in or email it in. And there's the

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email address and the text number. And

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that doesn't mean we're going to hit it

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immediately. But hopefully we can hit it

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and and because I know we've got some

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people from out of state who are

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watching and that might pick up as the

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weeks go on. So we'll bring that up

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from time to time and say we're not

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trying to exclude you. Put your

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questions in. We'll see if we can

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answer them. There's two main

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objectives we have for the class.

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Here's our goal. Number one, to help you

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become familiar with this side of the

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spirit realm. This side meaning the

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demonic side. Paul said we are not

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unaware of Satan's devices and schemes

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so that we can recognize what he's

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doing is my translation of that. We

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are supposed to have some knowledge

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of how the dark side operates. And our

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goal is to bring some of that and

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bring some solid scriptural

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understanding to it. For various

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reasons this subject tends to get very

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weird in Christians and Christian

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realm. I think it's because there's

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usually so much fear attached to it or

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tied to it. The average Christian is

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afraid of demons and that's why it

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gets weird. So hopefully we can

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dispel that because fear is not of

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God. So there's the first thing. The

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second thing we're after is to help

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prepare you to be able to do

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deliverance when the situation arises.

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Most believers never cast out a demon

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in their whole lifetime. They never

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cast out a demon and there's various

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reasons for that. They don't

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recognize them. They're afraid of them

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whatever. But it's like everything

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else in God's kingdom. Deliverance

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there's rules to the road. If you

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know healing is for us. We get it

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by faith. Or just pray for someone

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and they'll be healed. Well sometimes

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that it's that easy. You just pray for

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somebody and they're healed. And other

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times you pray for them and nothing

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happens. And you have to learn some

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things. And you have to grow in some

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things. And the Holy Spirit has to

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show you some revelation. Teach you

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some things then you pray for them

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and they're healed.

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What's the same thing with

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deliverance? Well just cast them out.

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Well sometimes they don't go.

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Sometimes they do. Sometimes they

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don't. When you hit an obstacle and

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they don't go. Don't throw your hands on

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the air and walk away and say oh

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I must not be God. No it's it's you're

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my people perish for lack of

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knowledge. There's something the Holy

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Spirit needs to teach you. And show

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you and grow you in. And then in

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Jesus name it'll work. So you know

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there's some rules to the road. There

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are some growing. And hopefully the

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second objective is to help you to

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be able to be somewhat prepared

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for when your turn comes. Because they

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that believe.

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One of the things that says in Mark 16

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they that believe will cast out

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demons. Every believer is supposed to

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do this.

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Deliverance in others and self

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deliverance. Recognize when you have

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a problem and get rid of it. You

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don't need anybody's help to do it

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most of the time.

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We'll differentiate that as time goes

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on. But that's the objective.

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This subject does not have a lot of

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how-to teaching in Scripture. But then

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neither do a lot of them.

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Does the gifts of the Spirit have a

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how-to manual that goes with it?

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No.

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You have to learn as you go. And I

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think it falls under this principle

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what Jesus was talking about. He says

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I still have many things to say to you

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but you're not able to bear them or

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take them upon you or grasp them now.

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I mean you can only absorb so much so

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fast.

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But when he the Spirit of Truth, the

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truth-giving Spirit comes, he will

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guide you into all truth, the whole

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truth, the full truth, and he will

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teach you. This is one of the things

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along with many others in Scripture.

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He teaches us as we go.

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In reality that's how almost

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everything in the New Testament works

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when he's trying to get something

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across to us.

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How do you live an overcoming life?

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You learn as you go.

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And you just keep gaining revelation

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and insight. And it's that way with

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all areas. It'd be nice if there'd

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be a chapter you could read and do it

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and you'd be an overcomer in every

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year of your life.

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Doesn't work that way. It's here a

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little, there a little piece at a

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time.

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And this is one of the things he

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teaches us as we go.

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Here is

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the foundation in a nutshell of

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deliverance.

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Submit to God, resist the devil, and

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he will flee.

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That is it in a nutshell. That's the

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whole thing. It's that easy.

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It's not hard. It's that easy. The

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application can be different in

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different situations, but it's

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always going to come back to that

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principle.

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It is extremely difficult to get

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someone set free

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who is not saved.

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They're not submitted to God.

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Because you can kick them out, but

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since there is no Holy Spirit

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there in the temple to help guard the

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temple,

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they just turn around and come right

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back in.

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There has to be a submission to God.

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Then you can resist and kick them

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out and make some progress.

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But no matter what the application

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is,

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that is the basic principle.

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Something that does help us learn how

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to apply that

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is to hear what other people have

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done

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and to watch. See, that's where the

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disciples had an advantage on us.

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They watched Jesus do this.

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So he didn't have to give them a whole

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lot of teaching about it. He just had

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to give them some basics because

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they watched him in action on

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probably a daily basis

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dealing with this stuff.

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So they had an advantage there.

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But we can hear things. We can

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we can see things that other people

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have gone through.

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And just remember, as we hear that,

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he is never going to use you exactly

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the same as anybody else.

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Never.

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Anything God does through you is going

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to be a little bit different than

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everybody else.

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God is not into building

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one, two, three homes

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and as the model homes and then the

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next thousand homes that are built in

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this development are you can pick

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out of one of these three and they're

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all the same.

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God builds everything custom.

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There's no two flowers the same.

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There's no two snowflakes the same.

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There's no two fingerprints the same.

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There's no two eye scans the same.

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Why would he have a rubber-stamped

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way of doing things through all these

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people who are all different?

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He doesn't. He's going to do it a

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little different through you and you

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got to be ready for that.

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You know, I had someone ask me,

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we were talking about God working and

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I brought up the phrase,

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when you see that, you're seeing the

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fingerprint of God.

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On what's happening there, you're

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seeing the fingerprint of God on that.

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And they say, what do you mean by the

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fingerprint of God? I said there's a

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few things I look for when I'm

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looking for if this is God or not.

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One of them is this. What they're

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doing

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is it different than anything else

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I've seen?

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Because if it's cookie cutter,

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they learned it in a class, they're

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pulling out their book

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and they're doing it line by line.

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Well, you may start there,

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but two, three, four years into it,

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you won't need that book anymore

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because he's going to take in you a

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little different direction. He's

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going to use you a little

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different way.

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He is going to customize how he

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uses you.

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So one thing I look for when I'm

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looking for the fingerprint of God

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is

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I don't want to have ever seen this

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just like this in the other place.

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Now religion is the opposite.

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We try to duplicate something we've

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seen.

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That's how they do it, so we're going

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to do it, and then God will do the

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same thing. God doesn't show up

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because it's not about the method.

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It's about what he showed the

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person.

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So he's going to do it a little

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differently with you, and there's

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some foundational things that we

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have to cover and we have to lay

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down, like for instance,

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when it comes to demons, you speak

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to them.

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You command them

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to go.

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You never ask Jesus to do it

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because he won't.

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And there are so many Christians

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that I hear praying for someone who

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is struggling with some kind of

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oppression or torment or demonic

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thing.

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Oh, God just set them free. Oh, Jesus

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just set them free. You are

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wasting your time.

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It doesn't work that way.

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So there are some basic things

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that we have to establish. That

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scripture is extremely clear on.

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And then beyond that we can build.

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But once we're started, you know,

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the Spirit seems to teach

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everybody a little differently and

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that's okay.

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I learned a very large lesson in

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this whole thing that I'll share

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at the end of the evening.

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I have a rather strange story of how

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I was taught deliverance.

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I didn't like how I was taught.

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I'm still not sure why God chose to

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teach me the way he did.

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I have some ideas, but I'm not sure

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I see really the reason.

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But because he taught me a certain

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way, it colors and flavors

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everything of how I approach the

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demonic realm and praying with

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people and

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dealing with demonic stuff.

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It flavors everything. So I can't go

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through.

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It's there. Well, I could, I suppose,

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just leave all my experiences out.

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But it's very difficult for me to

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give illustrations of,

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okay, you need to speak to the

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Spirit.

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Well, now I'll give you two, three

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stories of that.

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Well, that's going to...

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Some of those stories are going to

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seem really strange.

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And that's going to be for the

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whole time we're talking about this.

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Because the way he taught me was

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rather strange

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from my perspective.

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And there's a bunch of stuff I'm

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going to share that I've never

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really shared before

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in these classes.

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And there's a whole bunch of stuff

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that I'm not going to share.

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Because I'm not supposed to share it.

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So if you hit one of those things

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and you ask a question about it

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and I say, yeah, that's happened,

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but I can't talk about it.

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Don't be offended.

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It's not for now. Maybe it's for a

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different time, different class,

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whatever.

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But two things are paramount when

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you're dealing with demons or fallen

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angels and they are different.

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E, in my perspective, they're

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different. And there's debate on

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that, but we'll go into that

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starting next week.

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Even if the deliverance doesn't

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go the way it's supposed to,

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two things are paramount. You

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have to know, you have to know,

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you have to stand on. A Satan's

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power and authority has been

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completely removed and destroyed

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against believers, not necessarily

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against non-believers, but

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against believers. And the power

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of sin has been completely

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removed and canceled against

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believers as long for those of us

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who are under grace.

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Paul makes that, he flat out

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almost says that word for word.

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He says, sin shall have no

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power over you because you are

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not under law under, but you're

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under grace. So for under grace,

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sin has no power over us

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whatsoever.

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Those two are paramount in dealing

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with demons because the only reason

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demons have right to a human

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temple is sin. It is the only

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reason. And we'll talk about that as

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it goes on. Let's go to my story

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and get rolling, or we won't get

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done with that tonight either.

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I was born in a Christian family.

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I was raised in a Protestant church.

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I was assembly of God, to be

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exact.

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We believe the full gospel. In

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other words, that all the Bible

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pertained to today.

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And that was a good thing

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because it gave me an exposure to

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things that at least

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doctrinally I understood. Yeah,

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there's demons and demons need to

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be cast out. So that was a good

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thing.

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However, the church I grew up in,

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we believed it, but a lot of what

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we believed was never practiced.

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It just never, we believed it, but

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it never happened like

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casting out demons.

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In relation to demons,

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the teaching of the denomination

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which came through the church and I

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knew it was, I thought it was just

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our church to begin with, but I knew

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it was denomination when I

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went out ministering

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because I became assembly of God

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minister and that's how I started in

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the ministry. And when I went out

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ministering different churches, they

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all believed the same thing. So this

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is a denominational thing.

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Number one, there was three things

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that stood out to me. Number one,

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we absolutely have the ability to

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cast out demons and there are such a

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thing as demons that need to be

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cast out.

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So that's good. It's positive to have

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that knowledge because there's

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Christians who actually don't

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believe that.

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And it's hard to help someone with a

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problem they have if you don't

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believe the problem even exists.

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Number two, when demons were

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brought up and talked about

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the the teaching or the stories

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whatever little bit there was would

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generally dwell on negative stuff.

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Be careful.

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You can really get messed up.

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Things can go bad very quickly.

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Be careful. It was very fear-based.

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Watch out. If you can stay out of

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that whole realm, it'd be better if

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you stayed out of it.

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Yeah, but that's not what the Bible says.

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The Bible says the opposite. Go chase

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them. Chase them right down through

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the gates of hell. You know, before

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they get a chance to close the big

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doors,

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you're in there.

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And the gates of hell will not prevail

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against you.

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Go rip them right out of their own

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sanctuary.

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But the thought was, no, you got to

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be really careful and usually the

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main story that came up is the

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seven sons of Sceva.

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You know, the seven sons of Sceva tried

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casting a demon out and it whooped

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them and stripped their clothes off.

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They weren't running out of the house

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naked.

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Yeah, and they were unsaved.

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Does that make a difference?

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They didn't have the spirit of God in

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them.

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And there were horror stories that I

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had heard basically based on

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experiences that

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at some time people supposedly had,

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you know,

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we saw we were at a service where

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a demon came out of one person and it

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went into the other and they started

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freaking out.

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No, what happened is

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when the other demons saw what happened

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to this demon, that demon started

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freaking out.

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Because they were afraid it was going to

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happen to them next.

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But they were sitting in the back

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watching this and this one got cast

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out and this one lit up over here

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and it's like, oh, it went into that

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one.

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You can never cast a demon out in a

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church service.

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Well, you should have told Jesus that.

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Because evidently he was not aware of

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that rule.

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Demons are very strong, you know, seven

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sons of Sceva.

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I know a situation where seven men

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couldn't hold them down and it wasn't

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the sons of Sceva.

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And they just ripped them up like

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that,

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that demon that had legion that Jesus

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dealt with.

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They just ripped everything up.

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Yeah, Jesus came along fixed it

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didn't he?

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And greater works than these will you

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do.

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So let's quit dwelling on, oh, he

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broke chains and just ripped

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everything up.

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And let's start dwelling on, he was

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sitting there in his right mind

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asking Jesus, can I follow you?

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You know, which side of the story are

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we going to look at?

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So as a result of that, growing up

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under that, a lot of fear was built

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around it.

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And the knowledge, we can cast them

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out.

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It was viewed as possible.

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It was a holy thing.

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But it's better to leave it alone.

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Don't do it.

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I don't ever recall ever being given

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the message, go get them.

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Here's what they are.

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Here's what they do.

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Go render that kingdom.

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Go get them.

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Never.

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It's like stay away and hope they

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never get after you.

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So you were always kind of a little

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bit freaked out.

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So that was number two.

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And then number three,

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Christians can't have demons.

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That I think is still pretty much a

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basis of what the denomination

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believes.

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When I was in it, that's what they

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believed.

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You can't have demons as a Christian.

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Once you're saved, you can't have

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demons.

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So you don't have to worry about

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anything or be afraid.

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So it was not a subject we spent

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much time on because if we just get

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people saved, then it took care of

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all that.

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And they can't have demons anyway.

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So even though I was given a

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doctrinal position on it, I

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wasn't really prepared to do much in

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that realm.

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And that fear-based thing that was

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imparted, that hindered me quite a bit

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to begin with when I started having to

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deal with it.

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So let me give you my first

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encounter with the demonic side of

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things.

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I'll go with what happened to me when

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I was a young person and then I'll go

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to the ministry thing and

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just kind of, I'll take some time on

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the ministry thing one.

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My first encounter with the demonic

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side or the demonic realm, I was 15

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years old. I was between a

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freshman and sophomore in high school.

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It was that summer.

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And at a different time, we won't get

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done if I dwell too much here tonight.

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So at a different time, if you want to

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talk about the details about that, we

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can if you're interested.

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But a long story made short is I

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saw the reaper and the reaper was

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after me and he was trying to kill me.

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And he looks just like they draw him.

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Tall, skinny, hooded, can't see the

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face. All you see is the glowing

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eyes, very long fingers, and he tries

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to grab you.

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And he wasn't able to get a hold of me.

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He wasn't able to kill me.

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However, that encounter freaked me out

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as a young person.

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From that point forward, something

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snapped, so to speak, inside of me.

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And I knew this whole Christian life

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thing is very, very serious business.

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This is not a game.

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This is not something to take lightly.

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This is life or death.

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And if you end up on the wrong side,

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it will be death and it will be eternal

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death.

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And that's where it started.

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And over the years, I've been

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accused of, you're so serious.

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I mean, everything is so serious.

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It's like life or death.

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Yeah, that's where it started right

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there.

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That night, when it was life or death,

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and God showed me the side of the

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spirit realm, that side of the spirit

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realm of what was happening, and I

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had that encounter.

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That seemed to open something up in

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me.

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I began having a number of supernatural

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experiences. I had some visions, some

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knowings.

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I didn't understand them. Nobody really

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had any insight for them. Again, I was

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raised in a denomination that believed

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in them,

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but I couldn't find anybody to explain

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a vision to me or how to understand

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it.

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They... nobody did it.

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Dreams were... we believed that were

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dreams were from God because it said

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in Acts 2.

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But they were almost made fun of.

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You gotta watch dreams because, yeah, you

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can get really, you know.

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But I started dreaming, started really

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kicking in with me visions. I had some

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knowings. I didn't know what to do with

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them.

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And one thing that came out of that

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night is I knew the day would come. I

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would cast out demons.

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It's just like Paul talks about an

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Ephesians of having a knowledge that

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passes knowledge. In other words, you

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can't understand it with your head,

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but something God drops down into

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your spirit.

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And you just know, even though you

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probably have trouble explaining it,

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but you know it.

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That's how it was. I just knew.

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In some ways that freaked me out

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because it'll prepared.

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In other ways it was kind of like, well,

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this will be exciting. We'll see what

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happens.

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But that's when living for God as a

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Christian

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became very serious to me.

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That's where it started.

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So I went through high school and

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college and there were a few other

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you know specific demonic type of

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encounters.

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I don't think anything worthy of talking

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about tonight. It's

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it was there. There was an ever-growing

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or increasing awareness

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of the demonic realm around me. I

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just knew

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certain things were present and I just

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knew when certain things happened

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that was not a coincidence. That was

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demonic. It just there was a growing

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kind of like insight. I just knew. It

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just started growing in me through

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high school and college. And out of

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college I was married, went into the

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ministry as an assistant or youth

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pastor.

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All was well for about six to eight

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months and then I had my first

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demonic encounter. The first time

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I ever had cast out a demon was

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right here.

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So this story I'm going to go kind of

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slow on because this was kind of a

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precedent

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that showed up later. So a girl from the

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church who attended our youth group

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from time to time.

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She was very good friends with one of

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the girls in the youth group and

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she started having some weird things

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happening to her and she was

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sharing with her friend and her

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friend was talking to me and

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she had this

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what we would call an imaginary

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friend

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who she would talk to and she was

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with her all the time.

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Nobody else could see her but they

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would have exchange and interaction

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and they supposedly had a good

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relationship and this friend was out

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to protect her and take care of her

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and so forth.

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And then the girl from the youth

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group said and it just seems like

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sometimes

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her friend's personality

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said it just changes sometimes and

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it's like I'm not sure it's her.

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So she said would you talk to her?

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I said sure, I talked to her.

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I didn't think it was demonic.

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I thought she had mental problems.

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You know imaginary friend.

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So one day after noon after school

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we had an appointment. She

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dropped by and

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I started talking with her

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and

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got on the conversation of this

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friend.

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So I said well describe her to me. So she

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described her to me and

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what she's like and what they talk

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about and

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it was a spirit guide.

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What it was. I didn't know that at

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the time

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but it was a spirit guide.

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I said well you know it's with

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you pretty much all the time.

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Yeah.

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Sleeping awake makes no difference. She's

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always

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somewhere around me.

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Nobody else sees her. No? Just me.

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I said you don't think that's odd?

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Well, never thought about it.

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Only if you should start thinking

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about it you know.

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I said well is she here now?

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She said yeah she didn't want to

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come in and interrupt anything so

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she's

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sitting out in the steps right in

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front of the church.

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I said well go bring her in.

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I want to meet her.

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She gets up and goes out and I hear

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talking to somebody.

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Didn't take couple minutes.

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Here she comes back in.

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Now the girl I was talking to

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who went out to bring her friend

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back

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came back a totally different person.

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In that two minutes she had

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changed her hairdo a little bit.

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Her how she walked was different.

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She had been wearing a sweater.

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She took that off and had draped it

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across her arm.

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She talked different.

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It was like I was talking to a

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different person.

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The first person was a little bit

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like a teenager, excited and

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expressive.

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And this person was extremely

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shy

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and quiet.

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And I'm going well you do have

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mental problems.

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You know that's what was going on with me.

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So she came in and sat down and we

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started talking about different

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things and

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I thought well you know I had heard

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and here was one of the problems.

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See I had no instruction

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on dealing with demons.

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I grew up believing they were there

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and we can cast them out.

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But I had no instruction.

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I had just heard things.

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And I had heard that when you talk

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about the blood of Jesus it riles

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them up.

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So I thought well let's find out

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if this is mental illness or if

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this is a demon you know.

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So we're talking like I'm talking

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carrying conversation with you and

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I just said well what do you think

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about Jesus?

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And we start talking well I know

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who Jesus is and

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blah blah blah played the role

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really well.

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So I led it into the blood of

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Jesus and how the blood of Jesus

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came to you know he died for us

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to set us free from our sin

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and to give us complete freedom

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from the demonic realm.

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And kind of led it down that

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direction.

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Well the longer I talked

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it didn't like the conversation.

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Didn't want to talk about that

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conversation.

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Asked me to switch though.

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Let's talk about something

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different.

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I said I like talking about this.

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So I just kept on it.

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And finally it couldn't hold

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real well and it kind of

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manifested in a non-human way.

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And we'll talk about some of

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that later.

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But manifested and I said

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you're a demon aren't you?

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And then it was knew it was had.

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Cats out of the bag.

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I said so you're not really

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her friend.

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You're not really protecting her

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and watching out for her.

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You're with her but it's not

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ultimately for her best.

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Now I didn't realize at that

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point this was like the bottom

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rung of a hierarchy.

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And I was dealing with the low

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level here.

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And a lot of times even the low

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level demons don't really know

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what they're doing and why

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they're doing it.

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They're just doing it for fear

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of reprisal because they have

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horrible things go on in that

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kingdom.

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So I went through that and cast

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it out.

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Got rid of it.

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Told it had to go.

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And the girl comes back.

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You know it's kind of like

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in that particular case

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what kind of happened I cast

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it out and the girl kind of

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slumped in her chair like this

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and then she opened her eyes

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and shook her head and looked

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at me and said

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what happened?

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Because she was blacked out

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in this case.

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She was gone.

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Not always that happened

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but in this case she was

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gone.

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And she looked at her sweater

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and she said who took my

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sweater off?

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And she went to touch her

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head and she said

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who messed with my hair?

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So she was unaware of

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anything that had happened.

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So I explained to her what

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happened and

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she said so now this

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I'm not going to have this

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friend anymore.

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I tried to explain

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this is really not a friend.

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It's posturing as a friend

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but long term this friend

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is going to destroy your life.

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Well she had a hard time

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grasping that because

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she hadn't seen that side.

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But she took my word for it

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and she left and

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I shared it with the head

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pastor and we were all

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excited that

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well praise God she's free

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and she'll learn some

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things now about this

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and we'll have to teach her

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some things.

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Well the next day at school

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all hell broke loose

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for her.

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And a spirit manifested

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in her just

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unconscious she couldn't

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control it.

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It just happened

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very violently,

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very belligerently,

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totally embarrassed

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her at schools for her

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friend who was part of

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our youth group called me

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and said we got a problem

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going to bring her over.

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So I got a hold of the

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head pastor and we were

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waiting and she brought her

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over.

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And I said well this

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what happened yesterday

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and this is what went on

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and this is what I think

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we're dealing with.

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I think we're dealing with

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demons.

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This was his response.

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He said she's saved.

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She can't have a demon.

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Because see that's what

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our denomination believed.

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She's saved.

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She can't have a demon.

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I said well that's my

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that's where I'm coming

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from.

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So let's figure this out.

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So she came in

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her friend brought her in.

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She didn't want to

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commend.

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She was very agitated,

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very fearful of us,

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me specifically

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because I was the one

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who was dealing with her.

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Very distrusting,

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wanted to run,

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wanted to get away,

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had a whole lot of

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really bad thoughts

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going through her head

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about me and the church

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and this that and the other

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and the best thing to do

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is just run.

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And I didn't know it

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at the time but that is

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a very typical thing

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that happens with people

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who have demonic issues

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and they're being

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brought to a place

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where the demons know

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they're in trouble.

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They will stir the person's

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emotions and give them

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all kinds of reasons

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why you need to stay away

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and they're filled

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with fear and anxiety

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and all kinds of stuff.

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That happens over

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and over and over.

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It's very common.

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So anyway, she brought

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her in, sat her down

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and then she left

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and it was just

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the head pastor and I.

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And so I looked at her

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and I said, what's going on?

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She said, I don't know.

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It's just that at school

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it's just something happened

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and it wasn't me

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and I couldn't remember

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going from classroom to classroom

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and they said I yelled

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and I screamed

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and I cussed

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and I did things

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and I don't remember

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doing any of it

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and I'm freaked out.

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I said, well, let's pray.

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So we prayed

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down with the prayer,

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you know, naive Christian

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prayed with my eyes closed.

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Because that's holy.

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I still like to pray

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with my eyes closed

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but one of our own demons

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and I don't anymore.

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So I prayed with my eyes closed

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and once I was done

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with the prayer

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I opened my eyes

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and this thing was staring

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out of her at me

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that I knew was not her

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and the look of I hate you

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I will kill you

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I will destroy you

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coming out of her eyes

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and off her face

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I'm going

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and I looked at the head pastor

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and he was looking at it too

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and he was going

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whoa

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it proceeded

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to yell at us

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cuss out our God

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cuss us out

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threaten us

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got out of its seat

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and stood over me

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she is mine

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Blankety blank, and you will never blankety blank have her. I will kill her before you do. She is mine. I own her. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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So to begin with, we're going...

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You know, it's like, this is my first time in. This is his first time in. And we're kind of like...

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What the world?

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Well, finally I looked at him. I said, this is a demon. And he looked at me and he said, I think so.

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So we started going after it in the name of Jesus. You're going to and you sit down and blah, blah, blah.

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It had absolutely zippo effect. This thing said and did what it wanted to do.

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This went on for, I don't know, hour, two hours, whatever. Seemed like forever.

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Totally made fools out of us, mocked our God and all kinds of stuff. Nothing we said or did meant anything to it.

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Finally it just got disgusted with us and said, you Christians are so dumb. I am wasting my time. I'm out of here.

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And whoop! It went, I call it coming up or going down. It went down. In other words, it left her brain. The brain is the interface.

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And spirits can interface with the physical body through the brain. Our spirit does. The Holy Spirit does.

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Demons can. Spirits, if they get access to the brain, they can interface with the brain and take over the body.

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So it went down and she was sitting at this point and she blinks and looks at us and, oh, I can tell by the looks in your face that something just happened.

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That's what she said. I'm going, yeah, a little bit. I said, how do you feel? She said, I'm not good.

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So we talked a little bit and we knew we were had. So I said, what do we do? He said, let's just pray we're there and believe God's going to protect and take care of her.

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Let's send her out of the door making another appointment for tomorrow. I said, okay, I'm in. So we sent her out the door, made an appointment for the next day for him, his wife, a board member, board member's wife, me and my wife.

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We're going to deal with this thing. And we didn't do it at church. We did it at the parsonage, which was where the pastor was living at that time.

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So she met us there and etc. And so we're armed to the teeth. We're going for this thing. We're not going to be playing the game we played yesterday.

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And I said, whatever it was, because I didn't know anything about this. I said, whatever it was that was talking to us, I want to talk to you right now.

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Well, all of a sudden she changed. But it wasn't the thing from the day before. This was a new one. That was almost the total opposite personality.

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If I were to describe this, this was like an eight, nine year old mentality. Very timid, very shy, very afraid.

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Which again, we're going, what? We got our boxing gloves on. We're ready to throw down. And this shows up. And it wouldn't leave.

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You get out of here. I want to talk to you. It wouldn't leave.

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Now, I'll just sum up a few hours that happened there. This thing didn't know it wasn't supposed to say certain things.

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So it said some things that really gave us some insight. I'll just mention two of them.

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It was sitting in a chair. I was sitting in a chair and the other people were kind of scattered throughout the living room.

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The head pastor was sitting over here. Then he'd get up, walk around, sit back down. He was tormented.

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This can't be happening. She can't have a demon. She's saved.

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So anyway, one of the things we noticed is it kept looking above us, around us, and would cringe.

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And finally it bothered us. And I think it was a pastor's wife who said, ask it what's going on.

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The person who had worked with us had told us that one of the things you can do if they won't obey you is read the word.

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Have it going constantly in the background. Have somebody reading the word, especially New Testament, especially what Jesus says.

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Just have them kind of running in the back. So she was standing in the background reading the word and she noticed that it was always cringing.

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And so I said, what are you looking at? First of all, it said this. Could you tell her to stop reading that book?

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I said, why? Because when she reads that book, it's like there's little darts that are going into me.

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And they're causing me a lot of pain.

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So there is the sword of the spirit and there is the genuine for the counterfeit of the shield of faith which quenches the fiery darts of the wicked one.

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Now remember, the devil can't create anything. All he can do is imitate. He's a non-creative being and that's one of the reasons he hates us because we're made in God's image, we're creative.

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He can only do what power he's given to him, he's not creative. So he will take what God does and he perverts it.

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Well, he throws darts at us which we're supposed to use our faith to stop. But apparently reading the word throws darts at them.

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So I said, well, hang on for a bit. Just shut that down. Let's give a little room here.

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I said, what are you looking at? And it looked down and said, I don't want to say.

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I said, now come on, tell me what you're looking at. It's the mighty ones. Mighty ones.

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You know, here we are, dumb as rocks. We have no clue what this thing is talking about because it doesn't happen in our denomination.

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The mighty ones. Okay. You're going to have to help me with this. I have no idea what you're talking about. What do you mean the mighty ones?

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The big ones that serve your God. Oh, all of a sudden somebody piped up and they said, maybe that's angels.

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I said, are you talking about angels? The mighty ones that serve your God. I said, well, where are they?

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And it pointed them out in the room. I said, well, describe them to me. I can't look at them. They're too bright.

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And when I take a glimpse, they're standing there with their sword in front of them.

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And I can only see them from this to this point because the rest of them is above the ceiling.

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And we're going, that's angels. This thing's seeing angels. And it's afraid of them.

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So it's not just us here. So that encouraged us.

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And the second thing it talked about was what it called the live holds. I said, how do you get into people?

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We look for, we create live holds. Well, we'll describe that out of Ephesians 4 because when you take a certain scripture apart in Ephesians 4

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and go to the original language, it gives that verbatim. So that'll come.

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But so that put us on a search of, if anything here that's being said is accurate, it has to be in the word.

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Well, we knew angels were in the word. So we're on the right track there.

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Live holds, that's like, yeah, that sounds really fishy. That could be a bunch of ballarchy.

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But anyway, those were a couple of things that came out of that conversation.

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Well, over a period of time, we were able to get rid of it.

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And we felt like we cast it out. And as a result, the girl's life got worse.

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More manifestations, more out of control, more seeing spirits, this, that and the other.

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From that point on, it just seemed like a flood gate was opened up and spirits would come up and take her body over at will.

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Any time, any place, just destroying this girl's life.

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So the next day, the only ones who were available was a pastor and I.

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So they brought her from school again because everything's going awry there.

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And now the one who was not the day before but the belligerent one,

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she walked in the door and sat down and this thing just came up and started just ripping us verbally.

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And telling us we need to get out of this scene. We are wasting our time. There's nothing we can do.

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You're blankety. Blank. God is dead. You think he rose from the dead? He is dead. You have no power over me.

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Use his name. See what it does. It does nothing over me.

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And the sad part was it was true. Nothing was happening.

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And this thing ripped us and then in an effort, you know, in a way of just showing its dominance and just,

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I'm leaving. Get out of here. And it would go away and the girl was back.

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And I looked at him. He said, let's get her saved.

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We're still back on save people can't have demons. I said, I'm in. Let's get her saved.

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So we got her saved. Let her through the sinner's prayer. She was baptized in the Holy Spirit.

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Went back through that. She's praying in tongues. Got her saved. We knew the word thing worked.

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So we had her sitting there. Reading out of the Sermon on the Mount out loud.

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And I said, if there's anything that can happen now because she's saved, I want to talk to you.

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And to our bewilderment, she stopped reading Bible. And just like this, she was sitting in chair, just like this.

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She closed the Bible, looked at me and whipped it at me.

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I ducked to the side. It hit the wall just flat. It sounded like a gunshot. Bam!

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And I'm going, well, that didn't work.

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Evidently, it's still there.

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So now we couldn't do anything with it. It was going to just, it was throwing things,

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ripping, you know, trying to throw shells over. And it wouldn't respond to anything we said. Nothing.

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So now we take a little side tour. Since this has happened before, there was a man who, when I was in college,

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was traveling through the western part of the United States. That's back when school still did school lyceums.

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And we were in a predominantly Catholic community, so the Catholic church had huge influence what happened in the public school.

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And so once a month, we would have some kind of religious, they called it a lyceum, but they'd have a speaker,

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didn't make any difference, Protestant, Catholic, whatever, they'd have a speaker come in and,

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and for an hour of the day, usually the last hour of the day, we'd have a lyceum and it was a religious class.

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And this guy had showed up when I was in college. I'm going to be minister, so I'm in college.

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He had showed up and done a lyceum and then that night, he did a open class or open session for whoever.

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And my mom had got a hold of me and said, we got this guy coming. He's Baptist and he came out of Satanism

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and he is going to be speaking at a lyceum in school and he said, then there's going to be a Friday evening,

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then there's going to be an open thing. And he says, Christians can have demons.

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And this was like, that can't be, can't be, can it? I said, I'm coming home.

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I want to see this guy because this guy's a flake. Christians can't have demons. See, that's what we believed.

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So I came home and I went to that evening thing and he kind of laid out a pretty good case for what he had been involved in

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and Christians can have demons. And he gave story after story after story and with the thought of,

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and you can be set free if you're being tormented, if you're, you can be set free.

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That was always the thing behind it. You can be set free. I didn't know what to think of it.

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I thought this guy's got to be loony, but whatever. So I just put it out of my mind, forgot about it.

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We just kind of wrote it off. He went on his way. We went on our way.

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I graduated college. I'm in ministry. We're running into this problem.

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So I asked the head pastor, I said, who in the, who in the district casts out demons?

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Who can we get a hold of? Well, he never told me if he called anybody or not,

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but he came back with the information. He said, I can't find anybody.

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I said, well, would you not agree? We have no clue what we're doing. We're in trouble here.

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He said, yeah, because this thing is just not listening to us at all.

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I said, well, there was this guy who I had seen a number of years back

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who I thought was an idiot that I wonder if he could help us.

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Isn't it something how everybody's idiots until you need their help?

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And it's like, I wonder. So I'd gotten somehow I tracked his number down.

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Hadn't called him yet. So we're sitting here in the office this third day.

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This demon is just ranting and raving. And I said, I'm going to call this guy.

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And I called, I said his name. And this demon whipped its head and looked at me

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and sat down in the chair. And I said, oh, heard of this guy, huh?

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No answer. So I called him. He happened to be home. He picked up the phone.

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I introduced myself, told him where I'd seen him, what the circumstances were.

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Told him this is what we're into. This is what's happening. And it's ugly.

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Okay. So I'm looking for some compassion here. Some sympathy.

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He laughs.

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You charismatic, you're so green. You know nothing about demons.

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You talk a big talk, but you know nothing about how to deal with them.

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And I'm going, well, thanks man. That's an encouraging word.

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And I was just dead quiet. So he knew, you know, I'm probably sitting in their white face going...

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He said, is the person there with you? I said, yes. Is the demon up? Yes.

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He said, let me talk to him. So I bring, I say, he wants to talk to you.

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You know, here we're on a card yet. This isn't, this isn't one of these kinds of phones.

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And we're not FaceTiming. It's just card tied to the wall. You got to get up and come over here.

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No. I said, he wants to talk to you and he's telling you to get up and come over here.

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He got up and went over there. And I'm going, what the world?

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You don't listen to nothing we say. But here's a guy hundreds of miles away on a phone.

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And you're listening. So I put the phone to the girl's ear and the demon was there.

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He starts talking. I couldn't hear what he was saying, but I heard him talking.

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Asking questions. Yes. No. I can't do that. She's mine. I will not.

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Just respectful and just like, aren't you going to cuss? Aren't you going to throw anything?

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What's this politeness all of a sudden? Just respectful.

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Finally, it looks at me. I'm holding the phone there. It looks at me. It says he wants to talk to you again.

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And goes over and sits down. Just like the nicest grade schooler.

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So I got on the phone. He said, I'm not going to be able to get it out across the phone. It's not going to go.

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He said, but this much, I know you got to get its name. This is one of those cases like Jesus had. What's your name?

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He said, you're going to have to get its name. Once you got its name, he said, it'll be fine.

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I said, how do we do that? He snickers.

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You tell it to give it to you.

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I'm going, okay, we'll try that. Thank you. Click.

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Back to the same old story. In the name of Jesus, you tell me your name. You blankety blank and breathing fire at us again.

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I'm done with you. I'm done with this whole thing. I am not leaving. She's mine. I'll kill her before I let her go.

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Boop, it's gone. I thought, well, thank God it went down because we couldn't get rid of it.

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It wasn't going away out of her running her body. It wasn't going down. Finally, it went down.

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I looked at the pastor and he said, yep. He said, let's pray with her. Send her home.

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Believe God's going to protect her. Okay, we're not doing any good this way.

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She walked out of the room. This session we had a board member with us. There was three of us. We had a board member with us.

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And we looked at each other and the head pastor looked at me and he said, my theology right now is totally destroyed.

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He said the name of Jesus obviously is not working. And he says, if this doesn't change, I'm quitting the ministry.

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This is not truth. I was taught this is the way things go. This is the way things happen. And this isn't it. I'm quitting.

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I said, well, I'm with you. I said, if it doesn't work, why are we talking it?

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So we made an agreement. We're going to fast and pray until she willfully comes back. We're not going to set an appointment.

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Until she willfully comes back. We're going to fast and pray. And if that doesn't work, we're done.

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Send her off to mental hospital, whatever. We're done. It was three days. We fasted and prayed for three days.

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Then she called and asked for an appointment. So we all three, all three of us pastor me and the board member met.

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And she came in. How's it been going? Really bad. I'm seeing them now. I'm seeing them at night.

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They're grabbing me. They're shoving me. They're trying to drag me out of bed. They're threatening me.

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It's like I can see them like I see you. And it's really bad.

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Okay. Well, let's talk to them. And didn't even have to really ask.

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And this thing came back up. You blanket a blank again. I thought I told you to get out of her life.

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And just read the riot act for maybe two, three minutes. And I stopped it and I said, I pulled the scripture out.

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These kind of go not but by prayer and fasting. So I read the scripture to it. And I said, we have fasted.

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And you are going today. I am not. I said, what's your name? In the name of Jesus. Tell me your name.

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I don't have to tell you my name. And it, you know, but we could tell it was kind of weakening.

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And the last fervent exchange it had, it was again standing over me.

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I will never tell you my name. It is none of your business and cussing me out and your God's dead.

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And you have no power. And I said in Jesus name, tell me your name.

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It went back sat in the chair. My name is Wadri Annaka. Now let me go. I'm done here.

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I said, oh, I'm not going to release you now. You turned our life and her life into living hell for the last few days.

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And now I'm just going to let you go. No, no, no.

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So long story short, we dealt with that. This was the strong man. And the strong man had to be dealt with.

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And when the strong man was dealt with, then everything else, kind of like peeling layers off,

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but you take a big chunk out and then you deal with the residue as time goes on.

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And this was the strong man.

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Well, in the course of what was happening when this session, when she was kind of all over us,

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well, it was all over us through her.

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It said, I'm going to kill her and this is going to be over.

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And you guys are going to be in jail because she's a minor, which she was.

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And you guys are going to be in jail and you're going to be charged with murder of a minor

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and nobody's going to believe your story. And this thing's done.

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And it grabbed her by the throat and her eyes got big.

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And just like a wet noodle, she just went down to the floor, not breathing, couldn't find a pulse.

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Nothing. It's like, I think it killed her.

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And I looked at the head pastor and he looked at me with a shocked look like, oh man, we're in trouble.

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And so we're sitting there, pastor, me and the board member, we're discussing this.

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And we tried, we shook her, we, in Jesus' name, wake up, we'd come back, you know, out.

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So we sat back. We said, well, because this whole thing of hearing the Holy Spirit, we had no knowledge of that.

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That's why another reason we were in such trouble, we couldn't hear what to do next.

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So we finally sat back and said, God, what do we do?

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Well, he probably sitting on a throne going, thank you, finally you ask.

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And this idea came to my head where Jesus had a dead girl and she wouldn't wake up and he reached out and he took her hand.

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And he gives it in Aramaic, but young lady arrives.

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So I read the scripture and I looked at the guys. What do you think?

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Nothing else working. She looks dead to me.

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There was nothing. There was no movement. There was no eye flutter. There was no breath.

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There was nothing. And we were into this a few minutes now.

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We're going to say, good.

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So I said, okay, Lord, this is what came to me. So I'm going to do this.

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I reached down, grabbed her hand, called her by her name. I said, arise.

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When she was laying there, she opened her eyes.

01:05:40.160 --> 01:05:41.120
Oh, what just happened?

01:05:42.260 --> 01:05:47.220
We got her up. Boom. That's when the spirit came back and said, I thought I told you to leave her alone.

01:05:47.220 --> 01:05:50.660
And then we got its name and dealt with it.

01:05:54.260 --> 01:06:00.520
So that was then over time, there were some, you know, some little things left that had to be dealt with to clean her up.

01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:05.380
But in time, she was free. She did everything quit. Her friend was gone.

01:06:05.940 --> 01:06:09.260
Nothing was taking her over anymore. Everything quit. There's that and the other.

01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:17.440
So that summer, this was in the spring. That summer I became the pastor of that church.

01:06:18.140 --> 01:06:28.780
And then at the beginning of that next year, we had a revival where about 125, over about a three month period of time, 125 people ish got saved.

01:06:29.140 --> 01:06:32.860
Most of them got baptized in the Holy Spirit. All kinds of good things happening.

01:06:34.020 --> 01:06:37.460
That everything was great for about a year and a half.

01:06:38.220 --> 01:06:44.100
And then it's like God just dropped me in the middle of hell for the next 18 months.

01:06:46.820 --> 01:06:55.100
And demons were manifesting on an ongoing basis, mostly in the new saved, but not totally, from every direction.

01:06:55.300 --> 01:07:00.700
Men, women, teenagers, it just didn't make much difference. It was absolutely wild. It was over the top.

01:07:01.540 --> 01:07:05.460
Things happening pretty much every day. Something was manifesting in somebody.

01:07:07.120 --> 01:07:16.260
And again, often the spirit wasn't responding. It was better, but it wouldn't respond to us the way we wanted it to.

01:07:18.860 --> 01:07:26.380
And the battles would go on, you know, trying to get the thing out, trying to get the thing to obey would go on for hours.

01:07:27.180 --> 01:07:32.560
And then you come back the next day and it would go on for weeks and a couple of cases that went on for months.

01:07:35.580 --> 01:07:42.640
And looking back on it, the best way I can describe it, it's like God took me, knowing I can't swim,

01:07:44.080 --> 01:07:48.420
and threw me off the boat someplace in the middle of the ocean and drove away.

01:07:50.240 --> 01:07:53.660
And I was drowning. That's just the best way to say it.

01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:59.740
I was drowning. I was trying to tread water, but I think I was underwater more than I was above water.

01:08:01.240 --> 01:08:07.920
This man who became my mentor was absolutely a lifesaver during that period of time, but he wasn't living close by,

01:08:08.020 --> 01:08:10.360
so he wasn't able to personally come and help me.

01:08:12.100 --> 01:08:16.920
I got a hold of the district, talked to the presbyter. I said, this what's going on.

01:08:17.100 --> 01:08:21.960
I said, is there anybody in the district who knows anything about deliverance?

01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:29.580
Because I'm drowning here. I don't know what I'm doing evidently, and this thing is overwhelming me.

01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:36.600
He looked at me and he said, there's nobody in the district who can help you that I know of.

01:08:38.420 --> 01:08:39.980
I said, well, what do you recommend?

01:08:41.240 --> 01:08:46.440
He said, have the worst cases admitted to a psychiatric hospital?

01:08:48.220 --> 01:08:53.380
I can recommend a good one. I think it was in Illinois that the assemblies of God were part of them.

01:08:55.320 --> 01:09:00.200
Okay. I know this is demonic. It's not working right.

01:09:01.020 --> 01:09:06.680
So we're going to shuffle the buck off to somebody else, and they'll probably drug these people up

01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:08.640
and they'll never be in the right mind the rest of their life.

01:09:11.020 --> 01:09:14.000
Okay. Nah. I can't do that.

01:09:15.740 --> 01:09:21.340
One thing that I knew, that I knew, that I knew is God had put me into this thing.

01:09:21.460 --> 01:09:22.940
It was an assignment to me.

01:09:24.720 --> 01:09:29.040
And if I were to obey, I could not walk away from this.

01:09:34.890 --> 01:09:37.630
If I was ever going to hear, well done.

01:09:39.970 --> 01:09:44.130
I could not walk away from this. I just knew it, that I knew it.

01:09:46.940 --> 01:09:48.660
I wanted to walk away.

01:09:50.980 --> 01:09:54.980
I had all kinds of people advising me to walk away.

01:09:55.240 --> 01:09:58.760
This is going to end badly. This is, you know, all this stuff.

01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:05.400
But I couldn't do it. So I just stuck with it.

01:10:06.480 --> 01:10:11.680
Now how typical deliverance goes with people, of course it depends upon how God uses.

01:10:11.680 --> 01:10:16.140
You know, some people, God just uses people different ways.

01:10:17.340 --> 01:10:20.800
And typically things are discovered where demons are and where they're hiding

01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:24.180
and where they're infesting and you repent of it and cast the spirit out.

01:10:24.340 --> 01:10:26.020
It's in a prayer line. It's in a counseling session.

01:10:26.200 --> 01:10:28.840
It's in an office, whatever the person's dealt with.

01:10:29.040 --> 01:10:32.520
And they get freer and freer and freer and life goes on.

01:10:32.920 --> 01:10:36.880
Typically it's pretty clean, straightforward, may involve some intensity.

01:10:37.360 --> 01:10:40.960
Sometimes it takes a little time, but nothing over the top.

01:10:42.160 --> 01:10:43.500
That's how it's supposed to work.

01:10:46.160 --> 01:10:50.300
That did not work that way during this chunk of my life.

01:10:53.860 --> 01:10:57.660
I'll just give you, there's so many things I could talk about. I could talk for hours.

01:10:58.220 --> 01:10:59.740
I'll just give you some examples.

01:11:02.940 --> 01:11:09.100
So we had this first person, then I became pastor and this was a year and two years now

01:11:09.100 --> 01:11:12.140
after I became pastor had that revival thing.

01:11:12.220 --> 01:11:13.660
This was one of the new people that got saved.

01:11:14.440 --> 01:11:16.020
Had a lady come to the office.

01:11:16.680 --> 01:11:19.380
First she explained some things that were happening.

01:11:19.540 --> 01:11:20.880
I said, ah, it sounds demonic to me.

01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:25.120
So she came to the office after Sunday morning service.

01:11:26.460 --> 01:11:30.340
And so we were talking and I said, well, let's just pray.

01:11:34.170 --> 01:11:35.970
I learned later not to do that.

01:11:36.850 --> 01:11:40.690
I closed my eyes and I prayed, Lord, if there's something we need to deal with here

01:11:40.690 --> 01:11:43.570
or she needs to be set free, you know, and I just prayed a very generic prayer.

01:11:44.210 --> 01:11:46.550
I opened my eyes and here we are again.

01:11:47.930 --> 01:11:54.930
This thing's looking at me with this look that it's like I will kill you if it's the last thing I do.

01:11:56.130 --> 01:12:01.850
First thing that happened is books started coming off the shelf and flying.

01:12:04.770 --> 01:12:09.910
The church had just bought a brand new copier. Never had one before.

01:12:11.130 --> 01:12:15.710
To make sure that it would never be abused, they put it in my office.

01:12:21.670 --> 01:12:27.850
It was the hand of God because it never got broke because it flew off that stand and upside down and against the wall.

01:12:34.250 --> 01:12:36.450
Again, absolutely could not control it.

01:12:36.790 --> 01:12:38.030
It would not respond at all.

01:12:38.850 --> 01:12:40.010
Finally it went away.

01:12:41.230 --> 01:12:43.070
I sent her home gone.

01:12:43.550 --> 01:12:45.130
Oh dear Jesus, here we go again.

01:12:46.350 --> 01:12:55.350
Two days later a friend, board member, who was teaching a Bible study with they attended brought her back.

01:12:57.870 --> 01:12:59.550
And again, same thing.

01:12:59.770 --> 01:13:01.870
Freaked out, did not want anything to do with me.

01:13:02.450 --> 01:13:04.270
Did not want to come into the house.

01:13:04.670 --> 01:13:08.210
Did wanted nothing that this person is evil.

01:13:08.410 --> 01:13:09.290
This person is bad.

01:13:09.530 --> 01:13:12.010
That is wanted nothing to do with me, blah, blah, blah.

01:13:12.010 --> 01:13:14.730
We got her convinced, come in the house.

01:13:15.170 --> 01:13:16.410
It was seven in the evening.

01:13:16.890 --> 01:13:20.410
We started praying over her and things started manifesting.

01:13:20.730 --> 01:13:24.510
Seven the next morning we had made no progress whatsoever.

01:13:26.430 --> 01:13:32.490
Other than we were all exhausted and looked like total fools.

01:13:35.350 --> 01:13:37.010
So out the door again.

01:13:38.130 --> 01:13:42.190
Well now the next time, which was a day or two later, she came back.

01:13:42.770 --> 01:13:45.270
She was extreme headache.

01:13:47.250 --> 01:13:48.430
Trouble breathing.

01:13:49.750 --> 01:13:51.190
Vomiting almost continually.

01:13:51.470 --> 01:13:52.130
Couldn't eat anything.

01:13:52.350 --> 01:13:53.390
Vomiting almost continually.

01:13:53.690 --> 01:13:55.390
Vomiting blood from time to time.

01:13:56.890 --> 01:13:59.950
Just in a bad way.

01:14:04.610 --> 01:14:11.470
So we started going after it, doing what we knew how to do.

01:14:12.310 --> 01:14:17.730
And it just went down from bad to worse.

01:14:20.270 --> 01:14:22.610
No matter what we said, no matter what we did.

01:14:22.730 --> 01:14:24.830
I called this other person, got him on the phone.

01:14:24.930 --> 01:14:26.210
He said, I don't know what you got.

01:14:26.330 --> 01:14:29.150
He said, but it does this time this thing didn't obey him either.

01:14:29.970 --> 01:14:31.610
He said, I don't know what you got.

01:14:31.810 --> 01:14:35.890
But you're going to have to really face this one down.

01:14:36.230 --> 01:14:37.910
And God's going to have to lead you.

01:14:38.210 --> 01:14:40.890
And I'm going, I can't hardly hear God's voice.

01:14:41.330 --> 01:14:42.850
And this is not working well.

01:14:43.530 --> 01:14:47.310
And persons violently sick.

01:14:48.070 --> 01:14:50.030
They're now seeing in the spirit round two.

01:14:51.730 --> 01:14:53.690
Poltergeist type of incidents are happening.

01:14:53.990 --> 01:14:57.430
Poltergeist is where physical things start floating around.

01:14:57.430 --> 01:14:59.930
And, you know, there's nobody holding on.

01:15:00.070 --> 01:15:04.090
There's nobody doing anything but, you know, physical manifestations of spirits.

01:15:05.590 --> 01:15:10.050
Being pushed, being hit, being drug out of bed at night,

01:15:10.870 --> 01:15:13.270
ganged up on surrounded by demons.

01:15:13.490 --> 01:15:14.290
They could see them.

01:15:14.690 --> 01:15:16.790
They were choking the person.

01:15:17.850 --> 01:15:24.410
It was just a horrid, horrid, horrid situation that just progressively got worse.

01:15:31.190 --> 01:15:32.630
I'll come back to that one.

01:15:39.050 --> 01:15:41.330
That one went on going for months.

01:15:41.990 --> 01:15:47.750
There was a Sunday night service where a teenager comes up to me after service and says,

01:15:48.770 --> 01:15:51.290
newly saved, says,

01:15:52.010 --> 01:15:57.730
is it normal when God's present gets on you that you come out of your body and you float around the room?

01:15:59.290 --> 01:16:00.990
I'm going, you're probably not.

01:16:03.030 --> 01:16:04.670
I don't think that's normal.

01:16:06.670 --> 01:16:09.390
Well, tonight, you know, when you were speaking, she said,

01:16:09.490 --> 01:16:13.930
I felt myself lifting out of my body and I was scrambling, trying to hold onto my body.

01:16:13.950 --> 01:16:17.370
And I couldn't. And I came out and I was floating around the room.

01:16:17.530 --> 01:16:19.950
I could tell you what different people were doing and reading.

01:16:20.530 --> 01:16:24.590
And I was trying to get back in my body.

01:16:24.590 --> 01:16:28.970
And finally then towards the end, when you were speaking, I got back to my body and I was freaked out.

01:16:31.030 --> 01:16:32.050
I think so.

01:16:32.990 --> 01:16:34.030
I said, well, let's pray.

01:16:34.130 --> 01:16:40.010
So I grabbed a few people and got her in the back room, prayed and found out that her sister was in witchcraft.

01:16:41.130 --> 01:16:43.450
Her sister, and this was all new to me.

01:16:44.010 --> 01:16:44.950
I didn't know this.

01:16:45.350 --> 01:16:46.970
But her sister was in witchcraft.

01:16:47.110 --> 01:16:52.350
Her sister was astral projecting, shoving her out of her body because her sister wanted her out of Christianity

01:16:52.350 --> 01:16:54.770
because this was a false God and this, that and the other.

01:16:55.250 --> 01:17:02.170
So the way we knew this happened is during the time we were praying with her, her sister pops into her body

01:17:02.170 --> 01:17:06.290
as she's astral projecting and starts talking to me.

01:17:06.390 --> 01:17:07.630
And I could tell this was different.

01:17:08.230 --> 01:17:11.810
And the Holy Spirit said, this is not a demon, this is her sister.

01:17:12.950 --> 01:17:13.990
So I called it up.

01:17:14.150 --> 01:17:15.530
I said, you're not a demon, are you?

01:17:16.490 --> 01:17:16.890
No.

01:17:17.890 --> 01:17:19.730
How long did it take you to get that one?

01:17:19.730 --> 01:17:20.910
It didn't pass or burn.

01:17:21.650 --> 01:17:23.270
You know, just real...

01:17:24.350 --> 01:17:27.730
It lights up the side of you that wants to...

01:17:31.130 --> 01:17:32.570
Just real arrogant.

01:17:33.970 --> 01:17:35.910
And then the Holy Spirit said, it's her sister.

01:17:36.770 --> 01:17:37.910
I said, you're her sister.

01:17:38.990 --> 01:17:40.210
That shocked it.

01:17:41.670 --> 01:17:46.230
Well, long story short, we got it out and we got the girl helped and over a period of time

01:17:46.230 --> 01:17:48.090
she got free too.

01:17:54.570 --> 01:17:59.810
And there were some situations I had, just to give you an example.

01:17:59.950 --> 01:18:02.530
Like for instance, the one that got worse and worse and worse.

01:18:03.110 --> 01:18:08.790
Well, they were being drug out of their house

01:18:08.790 --> 01:18:10.690
and literally beat up at night.

01:18:11.910 --> 01:18:13.330
Black and blue marks.

01:18:13.330 --> 01:18:22.130
You could see hand prints where they were being choked and all kinds of stuff.

01:18:22.670 --> 01:18:24.210
And we can't let this happen.

01:18:25.010 --> 01:18:30.890
So we brought her to the parsonage, put her in the spare room, and the same thing happened.

01:18:32.150 --> 01:18:35.630
During the night, I come the next morning, knock on the door.

01:18:37.730 --> 01:18:38.490
Nobody's in there.

01:18:38.950 --> 01:18:39.490
Oh, man.

01:18:40.130 --> 01:18:41.650
Went through the house, nobody's in the house.

01:18:41.650 --> 01:18:47.770
Went outside, found her laying behind the church just coming to consciousness again.

01:18:48.950 --> 01:18:50.070
Totally beat up.

01:18:51.930 --> 01:18:54.330
Well, we can't let this happen.

01:18:54.550 --> 01:18:59.070
So we started, my wife and I started sleeping in the living room with this person

01:18:59.610 --> 01:19:02.470
so that it couldn't be drug out of the house.

01:19:03.730 --> 01:19:07.150
Now, this is the kind of, like I said, I just got thrown in the ocean.

01:19:07.410 --> 01:19:08.010
Couldn't swim.

01:19:08.330 --> 01:19:09.950
This is the kind of thing that happened.

01:19:09.950 --> 01:19:13.110
So I wake up, I hear a little bit of a commotion.

01:19:13.750 --> 01:19:14.750
I wake up.

01:19:15.170 --> 01:19:26.710
Here is the person reaching toward me, but sliding backwards and visibly screaming.

01:19:27.490 --> 01:19:27.930
Ah!

01:19:29.210 --> 01:19:30.750
I couldn't hear a thing.

01:19:31.330 --> 01:19:32.750
There was no sound.

01:19:33.150 --> 01:19:34.390
The sound was being blocked.

01:19:35.650 --> 01:19:38.650
So I jump up, grab the person.

01:19:38.650 --> 01:19:40.930
The person's leaning towards me.

01:19:41.150 --> 01:19:42.170
I lean back.

01:19:42.570 --> 01:19:45.130
Now we're both being drugged down the hallway.

01:19:45.710 --> 01:19:48.670
There's nobody on the other side of this person.

01:19:54.340 --> 01:19:57.700
Just strange, weird stuff.

01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:05.520
People were being sent from Colvins to come and harass us during the night.

01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:08.240
Sometimes they would personally come.

01:20:08.340 --> 01:20:09.640
Sometimes they'd send their spirits.

01:20:10.220 --> 01:20:11.040
The doorbell would ring.

01:20:11.120 --> 01:20:12.180
There'd be a knock at the door.

01:20:12.180 --> 01:20:15.180
You'd go to the door, the screen door standing wide open.

01:20:15.620 --> 01:20:16.580
There's nobody there.

01:20:17.800 --> 01:20:19.220
And the screen door is on a spring.

01:20:20.660 --> 01:20:22.380
It should close by itself.

01:20:23.400 --> 01:20:24.400
There's nobody there.

01:20:25.300 --> 01:20:28.640
A couple of times at the church, you hear a knock.

01:20:28.820 --> 01:20:30.020
You go, you find the knock.

01:20:30.360 --> 01:20:31.880
The door standing wide open.

01:20:32.240 --> 01:20:34.100
It's on a hydraulic closure.

01:20:34.320 --> 01:20:36.720
It should close standing wide open.

01:20:38.480 --> 01:20:40.220
In the name of Jesus, get out of here.

01:20:40.300 --> 01:20:41.500
You've got nothing to do with us.

01:20:41.500 --> 01:20:42.820
It would leave the door would close.

01:20:44.480 --> 01:20:48.280
Just ongoing craziness like that.

01:20:49.100 --> 01:20:50.780
Bringing people to the parsonage.

01:20:50.880 --> 01:20:51.720
Trying to help them.

01:20:52.200 --> 01:20:53.600
Sometimes they'd spend the night.

01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:54.480
Things like that.

01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:56.740
Had three situations with knives.

01:20:58.940 --> 01:21:00.320
Again at the parsonage.

01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:01.540
Someone manifested.

01:21:02.260 --> 01:21:03.160
Ran into a kitchen.

01:21:03.580 --> 01:21:04.200
Into the kitchen.

01:21:04.540 --> 01:21:06.800
Grabbed a butcher knife out of the drawer.

01:21:07.780 --> 01:21:10.340
So I had to run behind them to try to stop this.

01:21:11.860 --> 01:21:13.700
The kitchen, it was a smaller house.

01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:16.920
So across the kitchen probably 12 feet.

01:21:17.660 --> 01:21:18.400
They grabbed the door.

01:21:18.500 --> 01:21:19.240
Turned around and looked at me.

01:21:19.360 --> 01:21:21.580
I'm standing where the kitchen ends.

01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:23.140
And it turns into the dining room.

01:21:23.260 --> 01:21:25.600
Which is probably another 12, 14 feet to the wall.

01:21:26.060 --> 01:21:27.180
So you've got to get a picture of this.

01:21:27.200 --> 01:21:27.820
This is supernatural.

01:21:29.140 --> 01:21:30.420
I'm going to kill you.

01:21:31.120 --> 01:21:32.580
Through the butcher knife at me.

01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:35.780
And it was, I'm sure it was angels.

01:21:37.240 --> 01:21:38.680
It didn't come at me.

01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:39.480
It went down.

01:21:39.480 --> 01:21:41.440
Just missed my leg.

01:21:42.400 --> 01:21:45.380
At the point of it stuck into the linoleum.

01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:46.920
Because I found that later.

01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:48.160
Here.

01:21:49.260 --> 01:21:52.720
There was somebody else we were working with.

01:21:52.820 --> 01:21:54.040
Who was laying on the couch.

01:21:54.380 --> 01:21:56.120
Over here in the living room.

01:21:56.440 --> 01:21:57.300
Dining rooms behind me.

01:21:58.360 --> 01:22:00.520
It went up, hit the wall.

01:22:00.740 --> 01:22:01.560
Because I watched it go.

01:22:01.740 --> 01:22:02.780
It went up, hit the wall.

01:22:02.980 --> 01:22:04.160
Near the top of the wall.

01:22:05.460 --> 01:22:08.480
Fell down at like a 45 degree angle.

01:22:09.340 --> 01:22:11.660
Hit the arm of the couch.

01:22:13.220 --> 01:22:14.640
Came off the couch.

01:22:15.100 --> 01:22:16.320
Couches about eight feet long.

01:22:17.080 --> 01:22:19.720
Bounced three times on the floor.

01:22:20.140 --> 01:22:21.120
In front of the couch.

01:22:21.780 --> 01:22:24.360
Went up and the handle hit the person on the head.

01:22:24.380 --> 01:22:25.260
So hard they had a lump.

01:22:27.980 --> 01:22:29.080
That's not normal.

01:22:32.160 --> 01:22:33.540
And I'm gone.

01:22:35.320 --> 01:22:35.920
Wow.

01:22:38.440 --> 01:22:39.460
Another time.

01:22:40.200 --> 01:22:41.780
They got a whole of a steak knife.

01:22:42.220 --> 01:22:43.040
And they said.

01:22:43.520 --> 01:22:45.140
We're not letting you have this person.

01:22:45.540 --> 01:22:46.780
They took the steak knife.

01:22:47.060 --> 01:22:47.980
And went like this.

01:22:49.940 --> 01:22:51.000
And I go.

01:22:51.540 --> 01:22:52.480
In the jama Jesus.

01:22:52.740 --> 01:22:53.140
No.

01:22:53.480 --> 01:22:55.140
And I went over and grabbed the hand.

01:22:56.020 --> 01:22:57.360
The steak knife.

01:22:57.820 --> 01:22:59.020
I could see the handle.

01:22:59.900 --> 01:23:01.520
Pushing against the shirt.

01:23:03.060 --> 01:23:04.560
Into the person's belly.

01:23:05.980 --> 01:23:06.780
They said.

01:23:07.160 --> 01:23:08.780
I'm going to kill her.

01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:09.420
You can't help.

01:23:09.580 --> 01:23:11.920
And they started working the knife.

01:23:12.080 --> 01:23:13.740
And it's inside the person.

01:23:14.900 --> 01:23:16.080
And in the name of Jesus.

01:23:16.320 --> 01:23:16.600
No.

01:23:16.700 --> 01:23:17.940
And I pulled it out.

01:23:18.480 --> 01:23:19.320
And I said.

01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:20.840
There will be no harm.

01:23:24.050 --> 01:23:25.530
And the person doubled over.

01:23:25.650 --> 01:23:26.150
And hit the floor.

01:23:26.510 --> 01:23:27.910
I just been stabbed.

01:23:28.510 --> 01:23:28.750
They were.

01:23:28.950 --> 01:23:29.410
They were.

01:23:30.030 --> 01:23:30.390
Back.

01:23:31.370 --> 01:23:32.550
And the spirit was gone.

01:23:33.090 --> 01:23:34.050
I just been stabbed.

01:23:34.810 --> 01:23:35.070
I said.

01:23:35.070 --> 01:23:35.550
Let me see.

01:23:35.830 --> 01:23:36.670
Let me see how bad it is.

01:23:37.550 --> 01:23:38.630
It hurts like fire.

01:23:38.870 --> 01:23:39.050
I said.

01:23:39.070 --> 01:23:39.570
Let me see.

01:23:40.190 --> 01:23:40.950
They got up.

01:23:41.170 --> 01:23:41.750
And I looked.

01:23:42.950 --> 01:23:45.310
There was no hole in the fabric.

01:23:47.810 --> 01:23:48.050
I said.

01:23:48.090 --> 01:23:48.550
Lift your shirt.

01:23:49.750 --> 01:23:51.070
There was a red line.

01:23:51.370 --> 01:23:52.590
Where the knife had gone in.

01:23:52.690 --> 01:23:54.010
There was no hole in the person.

01:23:54.150 --> 01:23:54.670
There was no cut.

01:23:55.390 --> 01:23:56.550
There was no nothing.

01:23:58.550 --> 01:23:59.370
See now.

01:23:59.870 --> 01:24:00.310
Now.

01:24:01.030 --> 01:24:03.490
Those kind of experiences make you start going.

01:24:04.270 --> 01:24:04.530
Yeah.

01:24:05.310 --> 01:24:06.490
Am I losing it?

01:24:06.910 --> 01:24:07.090
Yeah.

01:24:08.510 --> 01:24:09.030
Seriously.

01:24:09.810 --> 01:24:10.250
For real.

01:24:10.450 --> 01:24:12.370
I saw this knife in the person.

01:24:12.550 --> 01:24:13.830
They felt it in them.

01:24:15.050 --> 01:24:16.090
And there ain't nothing.

01:24:16.970 --> 01:24:19.450
This is either really, really, really God.

01:24:20.570 --> 01:24:22.170
Or this is starting to get to me.

01:24:22.510 --> 01:24:24.870
And we're going over the deep end here.

01:24:28.630 --> 01:24:30.770
Screaming and yelling at you.

01:24:31.310 --> 01:24:32.250
Five feet away from you.

01:24:33.610 --> 01:24:34.730
You can't hear a thing.

01:24:34.910 --> 01:24:35.690
Totally dead quiet.

01:24:38.090 --> 01:24:38.830
See, so.

01:24:39.710 --> 01:24:43.450
Now it's starting to mess with my head a little bit too.

01:24:49.140 --> 01:24:52.220
When I started learning how to deal with astral projections.

01:24:52.560 --> 01:24:53.540
Because they showed up.

01:24:53.600 --> 01:24:54.560
It's not like I wanted this.

01:24:54.900 --> 01:24:55.420
I didn't want any.

01:24:55.540 --> 01:24:56.380
I hated this whole thing.

01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:57.120
This thing was.

01:24:57.560 --> 01:24:57.880
I was.

01:24:58.120 --> 01:24:59.880
This was not a happy time in my life.

01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:03.400
So if someone ever tells you.

01:25:03.400 --> 01:25:06.900
God will only ask you to do what you enjoy.

01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:12.060
Yeah, you go tell that to somebody else.

01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:13.860
I've been down that road.

01:25:14.160 --> 01:25:15.840
And I hated this.

01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:18.640
But there was about a month period of time.

01:25:18.640 --> 01:25:21.800
Where someone was experiencing astral projection stuff.

01:25:22.080 --> 01:25:23.820
We kept them at the parsonage.

01:25:29.660 --> 01:25:31.040
We didn't sleep at night.

01:25:31.420 --> 01:25:32.880
During the daytime it was calm.

01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:35.740
Once the sun set the activity would start.

01:25:35.740 --> 01:25:38.040
And anywhere from about 2 to 5 in the morning.

01:25:38.140 --> 01:25:40.080
Before it started getting light.

01:25:40.720 --> 01:25:42.100
It was like all hell was loose.

01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:45.300
It was just unbelievable.

01:25:48.960 --> 01:25:50.680
And it's like God's sitting there looking.

01:25:50.900 --> 01:25:51.220
I'm going.

01:25:52.020 --> 01:25:52.820
It's ain't working.

01:25:53.020 --> 01:25:53.800
Nothing's working right.

01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:54.640
You'd get some victory.

01:25:54.980 --> 01:25:55.980
And then you'd get some loss.

01:25:56.320 --> 01:25:58.960
And it's like God's sitting on the throne.

01:25:59.040 --> 01:25:59.180
Going.

01:25:59.500 --> 01:26:00.160
You'll figure it out.

01:26:02.980 --> 01:26:03.400
Okay.

01:26:05.740 --> 01:26:09.160
And the manifestations and the torments coming against the people.

01:26:09.680 --> 01:26:11.240
Would be so strong.

01:26:13.100 --> 01:26:14.440
Some nights it's like.

01:26:14.940 --> 01:26:18.260
We had absolutely no authority whatsoever.

01:26:19.020 --> 01:26:20.900
And then the next night it's like we gained some ground.

01:26:21.280 --> 01:26:22.180
Made some progress.

01:26:22.660 --> 01:26:24.600
And they would just slosh back and forth.

01:26:25.120 --> 01:26:27.340
Before we finally got that one figured out.

01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:29.900
And they got free of that.

01:26:31.320 --> 01:26:33.420
I had two people die.

01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:36.480
During deliverance.

01:26:37.060 --> 01:26:38.620
I'll give you the story of one of them.

01:26:39.140 --> 01:26:41.080
They died and God brought them back to life.

01:26:41.280 --> 01:26:41.540
Thank God.

01:26:43.600 --> 01:26:45.520
Now part of the problem was.

01:26:46.700 --> 01:26:50.640
The way I was taught to deal with this by the guy who was mentoring me.

01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:54.420
He grew up in a satanic home.

01:26:55.680 --> 01:26:56.540
Devil worshiping home.

01:26:56.980 --> 01:27:00.320
He didn't know there was a God until he was I think 18 years old.

01:27:00.320 --> 01:27:05.280
He was in the Montgomery wards catalog and he saw advertisement for a Bible.

01:27:06.020 --> 01:27:07.700
And it had something to do with God.

01:27:07.820 --> 01:27:09.140
He had never heard of that before.

01:27:09.500 --> 01:27:12.060
And he was curious who he ordered a New Testament.

01:27:12.860 --> 01:27:14.440
And that was the beginning.

01:27:15.240 --> 01:27:16.060
Of his conversion.

01:27:16.940 --> 01:27:17.380
But.

01:27:19.020 --> 01:27:22.740
They had they were so deep into this that they had spirits.

01:27:22.980 --> 01:27:25.140
They had assigned to him and they would see him.

01:27:25.180 --> 01:27:28.060
They would come and go like people and they tell him to go do stuff and.

01:27:28.740 --> 01:27:29.140
And.

01:27:30.560 --> 01:27:32.340
Carry out assignments for him.

01:27:32.500 --> 01:27:34.600
And he said that that was normal life.

01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:35.740
He said for our whole family.

01:27:35.900 --> 01:27:38.900
We'd sit around the dinner table and we'd talk to spirits and send them.

01:27:38.980 --> 01:27:42.200
And dad would tell this one to go and destroy that person's business and.

01:27:42.940 --> 01:27:43.140
Just.

01:27:43.860 --> 01:27:44.760
On and on and on.

01:27:45.040 --> 01:27:46.320
Just that was normal life.

01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:49.940
He said I always got the biggest buck.

01:27:50.680 --> 01:27:51.360
He was hunting.

01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:52.460
He was a really good shot.

01:27:53.120 --> 01:27:54.680
He said but I always got the biggest buck.

01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:56.720
I said how'd you get it?

01:27:56.720 --> 01:27:58.220
He said I'd ask to project.

01:27:59.420 --> 01:28:01.180
He said I'd trudge out to the woods.

01:28:01.340 --> 01:28:02.240
Sit down by tree.

01:28:02.860 --> 01:28:04.780
I'd ask to reject you come out of your body.

01:28:06.040 --> 01:28:07.220
Ecclesiastes talks about it.

01:28:07.280 --> 01:28:10.120
You're tied back to your body with a silver cord Ecclesiastes says.

01:28:10.240 --> 01:28:11.820
And that's exactly what he said it looks like.

01:28:11.900 --> 01:28:12.940
I've never done it.

01:28:12.940 --> 01:28:13.620
Not interested.

01:28:14.180 --> 01:28:17.460
But he said you can see a thin like cord.

01:28:18.900 --> 01:28:20.600
String that goes back to your body.

01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:26.700
And he says you have to work and practice to go further and further and further away from your body.

01:28:26.700 --> 01:28:27.620
And that thing stretch.

01:28:27.620 --> 01:28:30.840
And he says you're dedicating yourself more and more to demons the whole time.

01:28:31.020 --> 01:28:32.420
And they're giving you the ability.

01:28:32.620 --> 01:28:35.380
They're keeping your body alive and giving you the ability to come out.

01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:38.520
He said so I had you know we grew up doing this stuff.

01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:41.200
He said so I'd sit by tree after project go around the woods.

01:28:41.580 --> 01:28:43.620
Find the biggest buck where it was laying.

01:28:44.240 --> 01:28:47.080
Go back to my body sneak over there and shoot it.

01:28:47.620 --> 01:28:49.040
Said I always had the biggest buck.

01:28:51.020 --> 01:28:53.000
He said but there was one thing that happened.

01:28:53.100 --> 01:28:54.140
He said that really bothered me.

01:28:54.220 --> 01:28:54.940
He said there was a preacher.

01:28:54.940 --> 01:28:55.620
It came to down.

01:28:55.740 --> 01:29:00.120
He had a tent meeting and people were all excited about this.

01:29:00.240 --> 01:29:02.560
He said my dad was very frustrated with it.

01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:03.640
He didn't want anything to do with it.

01:29:04.160 --> 01:29:06.200
He said so I thought well I'll fix this.

01:29:06.320 --> 01:29:11.340
He said so I told my spirits to go during a service and mess this preacher up.

01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:13.380
Confuse him, make him look like a fool.

01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:19.580
And he said the evening went on and he said my spirits came back.

01:29:19.860 --> 01:29:20.880
And I said well did you do it?

01:29:21.480 --> 01:29:23.800
And they said there's something different about this guy.

01:29:23.800 --> 01:29:25.400
Well what's different about it?

01:29:25.500 --> 01:29:26.300
Did you do it or didn't you?

01:29:26.420 --> 01:29:27.820
Can't. We can't get close to him.

01:29:28.540 --> 01:29:29.460
He said why?

01:29:30.020 --> 01:29:31.860
He asked them why can't you get close to him?

01:29:32.060 --> 01:29:34.720
They said there's a ring of fire around him.

01:29:35.540 --> 01:29:37.020
That isn't touching him.

01:29:37.120 --> 01:29:38.020
It doesn't burn him.

01:29:38.480 --> 01:29:40.700
But when we get close we can't cross it.

01:29:40.740 --> 01:29:41.380
It burns us.

01:29:42.380 --> 01:29:43.680
So we can't do anything.

01:29:44.100 --> 01:29:46.260
He said that really bothered me.

01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:50.060
Because I was sure we served the greatest God.

01:29:51.180 --> 01:29:52.900
And that really bothered me.

01:29:52.900 --> 01:29:56.740
So then out of that he ended up ordering that New Testament out of Montgomery wards.

01:29:57.620 --> 01:30:02.960
And he said the main thing he read it all the way through and there was one thing he said that stood out to him.

01:30:04.080 --> 01:30:06.440
God is not a man that he can lie.

01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:10.380
He said that was the only thing that caught my in the whole New Testament.

01:30:10.820 --> 01:30:12.360
I read it through. That was the only thing that caught me.

01:30:13.060 --> 01:30:16.600
He said because my spirits would lie to me.

01:30:18.040 --> 01:30:19.740
Demons would lie to us.

01:30:19.740 --> 01:30:24.700
He said it was consistent. You always knew you didn't know if they were saying the truth or not.

01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:27.380
And this God never lies.

01:30:28.860 --> 01:30:29.840
That caught his attention.

01:30:30.620 --> 01:30:33.000
And then slowly, slowly it worked back in.

01:30:33.160 --> 01:30:35.460
Well, once he got saved and started doing deliverance.

01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:37.100
God put him on the shelf.

01:30:37.220 --> 01:30:39.060
He got saved I think 20 or early 20s.

01:30:39.240 --> 01:30:40.140
God put him on the shelf.

01:30:40.260 --> 01:30:42.440
He never did any deliverance until he was 55 years old.

01:30:44.180 --> 01:30:48.140
Once he started doing deliverance because of what he knew.

01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:51.100
He had a very unique way of doing it.

01:30:53.080 --> 01:30:58.900
He would, God would, the Holy Spirit would give him the names of the demons and the hierarchy of the demons.

01:30:58.900 --> 01:31:04.820
And he would just list them out and take authority over them as a kingdom and cast them out.

01:31:07.240 --> 01:31:11.240
Well, that's all good. It works for you. People are getting set free.

01:31:12.300 --> 01:31:14.080
Well, he was trying to teach me to do that.

01:31:17.200 --> 01:31:19.120
I couldn't really even hear the voice of God.

01:31:20.320 --> 01:31:21.840
Now I'm going to hear God above this.

01:31:22.340 --> 01:31:25.440
So he gave me lists. I got, I kept a few of them just for memory's sake.

01:31:26.140 --> 01:31:28.600
He gave me lists and he said, these are always changing.

01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:30.700
He said, well, I'll stay in touch because these are always changing.

01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:32.320
And this, that and the other.

01:31:35.200 --> 01:31:36.260
But here's how it goes.

01:31:36.340 --> 01:31:40.640
And he explained to me, he said, the demonic kingdom is set up opposite of God's.

01:31:40.640 --> 01:31:47.000
God puts the male at the front and the female supports and agrees.

01:31:47.300 --> 01:31:49.340
He says the demonic kingdom flips that.

01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:56.140
It's the woman at the front and the man has to follow and posture himself accordingly in name and title.

01:31:57.040 --> 01:32:04.640
So when you started taking authority over a thing, you were always taking authority over queens, princesses,

01:32:05.660 --> 01:32:15.840
queen mothers. It was always the woman name you had to grab first and then build it underneath.

01:32:16.400 --> 01:32:22.040
Like for instance, antichrist kingdom of the will and emotions.

01:32:22.220 --> 01:32:23.520
I'll just read a couple of things to you.

01:32:23.620 --> 01:32:29.880
It starts with queen mother, anthroid with King Anthros, queen mother, anthrapoid with King Anthrapoid,

01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:39.540
queen mother, anthroid with King Anthros, and queen antrapoid with Prince Anthros and works its way down.

01:32:40.420 --> 01:32:44.340
And he would get those names and he'd just sit and list them out.

01:32:45.820 --> 01:32:49.200
This is who you are and he'd talk to them while he's listing them out.

01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:54.280
And he's saying, Jesus' name, I take authority over and he'd start with the top and he said,

01:32:54.300 --> 01:32:57.060
everything underneath you and sometimes he'd list them, sometimes he wouldn't.

01:32:57.060 --> 01:32:59.880
He said, I bind you all together and you're out of here, go.

01:33:01.380 --> 01:33:02.600
And the person would be set free.

01:33:04.140 --> 01:33:07.660
And I was like, okay, never seen that before.

01:33:09.300 --> 01:33:10.300
He said, you can do that.

01:33:11.040 --> 01:33:11.820
I said, I can do that.

01:33:12.820 --> 01:33:15.420
He said, sure, you're going to have to learn how to do that or you're not going to get them out.

01:33:17.000 --> 01:33:18.940
I said, well, the Bible says he's the name of Jesus.

01:33:19.460 --> 01:33:20.680
He said, how's that working for you?

01:33:22.040 --> 01:33:22.880
I said, well, it's not.

01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:27.980
But the Bible says and he believed in the inerrant word of God.

01:33:29.120 --> 01:33:31.620
He said, well, he said, my experience that doesn't work.

01:33:33.020 --> 01:33:34.920
He says, I will name them.

01:33:35.240 --> 01:33:38.180
And he says, they're very legalistic and you got to get it right or they won't go.

01:33:39.080 --> 01:33:40.400
But I will name them and they'll leave.

01:33:42.520 --> 01:33:44.080
So I was trying to learn this.

01:33:45.380 --> 01:33:48.080
Well, as a result, you're caught in bondage.

01:33:52.020 --> 01:33:53.640
But it's how God used him.

01:33:55.180 --> 01:33:57.780
And if that's how God used him, that was his background.

01:33:57.940 --> 01:33:58.520
That's where he came from.

01:33:58.960 --> 01:34:00.720
Now God will use different people different ways.

01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:04.020
Sometimes people will list the person's sin or sins that have been committed.

01:34:04.140 --> 01:34:08.760
Like there's a spirit of adultery here and there's a spirit of lost and a spirit of suicide.

01:34:08.900 --> 01:34:10.080
You're doing the same thing he did.

01:34:10.940 --> 01:34:15.060
He just called them by their actual name rather than the group they work in.

01:34:16.160 --> 01:34:19.680
See, all demonic spirits are assigned to kingdoms or groups they work in.

01:34:20.260 --> 01:34:25.600
Lying spirits, there's thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of lying spirits.

01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:27.520
They all have an individual name.

01:34:29.320 --> 01:34:33.620
But, you know, some people do deliverance by and we take authority over all the lying spirits.

01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:37.320
And the lies that your father said to you and this, that's fine.

01:34:38.120 --> 01:34:41.700
You're doing the same thing he did just in a more simplified form.

01:34:42.160 --> 01:34:43.960
That's fine. That's how God uses you.

01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:48.180
That's fine. Like I said at the beginning, God does it different with everybody.

01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:52.040
This I struggled with for months.

01:34:54.480 --> 01:34:58.920
Months. It just, I got better at it. I got better at it. I got better at it.

01:34:59.220 --> 01:35:01.100
But just struggled with it for months.

01:35:01.240 --> 01:35:09.720
And there was this one girl who they were done and there's a whole background story to this

01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:15.620
of being dedicated to Satan as a daughter of Satan from generations back and all kinds of stuff

01:35:15.620 --> 01:35:19.620
that kind of focused on this one girl. And we couldn't get her free.

01:35:20.420 --> 01:35:24.840
She was at the house, me and board member and my wife, she was at the house.

01:35:26.080 --> 01:35:33.580
And this spirit came up in her and said, they never call Satan Satan.

01:35:34.500 --> 01:35:37.680
The fallen one, the deceiver. They never call him Satan.

01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:44.020
King Lucifer has said, he's done playing with you.

01:35:44.400 --> 01:35:47.100
We're just going to kill here. And that's going to be the end of it.

01:35:47.440 --> 01:35:51.500
I am Queen Mother Empress Supreme death and destruction.

01:35:51.820 --> 01:35:53.680
And when I leave, she will be dead.

01:35:54.480 --> 01:36:01.520
And then began to speak through the girl for I'm going to say 45 minutes without taking a breath.

01:36:03.440 --> 01:36:07.120
Just continual talk. Your God has failed.

01:36:07.120 --> 01:36:10.880
You are serving the wrong God. The true God is King Lucifer. Just very calmly.

01:36:11.780 --> 01:36:15.000
And you are deceived. You have no idea what's going on here.

01:36:15.040 --> 01:36:18.660
The proof is you can't stop me. Use your name against me.

01:36:19.120 --> 01:36:24.740
Your name can't affect me. We are greater. And just on and on and on.

01:36:25.480 --> 01:36:31.560
And we're doing everything we can, take authority over, try to find this structure.

01:36:35.140 --> 01:36:37.680
And we could tell we were weakening it.

01:36:38.420 --> 01:36:43.680
Finally it got out of the chair. The spirit was running the body and the spirit was weak. Couldn't stand.

01:36:44.080 --> 01:36:48.820
So it kind of slumped to the floor and crawled over and grabbed the telephone cord.

01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:52.300
And just came back to life.

01:36:55.020 --> 01:36:59.000
There is no power of your kingdom that can affect me whatsoever.

01:36:59.000 --> 01:37:02.120
I can receive strength from any place.

01:37:03.860 --> 01:37:11.860
So we took authority over whatever spiritual power was being pulled into that thing through the telephone cord and broke that off.

01:37:12.580 --> 01:37:16.060
Long story short, it was crawling. I was hitting outlets.

01:37:16.480 --> 01:37:23.100
It crawled down the hallway, got its hand against the outlet and it's like you had just plugged in the energizer battery.

01:37:23.100 --> 01:37:28.380
It was back and standing up, you can't touch me.

01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:34.360
You are pitiful, you and your God and cussing and just...

01:37:34.860 --> 01:37:39.540
And it ain't working. So you're kind of going, you got a point.

01:37:40.440 --> 01:37:44.180
No, I'm in faith. You don't have a point.

01:37:44.600 --> 01:37:48.800
So you break off these things. Well it ended in front of the washer and dryer in the hallway.

01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:56.300
It had reached under the washer and dryer and got a hold of something that gave it energy and it took us probably 10 minutes to figure out what it was.

01:37:56.420 --> 01:38:02.240
Well it was water pipe. I don't know how this works. All I know is it was happening.

01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:10.460
And finally we broke that off. So now we're into this probably 40 minutes and it has never stopped talking.

01:38:11.180 --> 01:38:14.160
The girl's face is turning blue, lips are blue.

01:38:15.440 --> 01:38:20.920
There's no oxygen. And this thing just keeps talking and there's no oxygen. It suffocated her.

01:38:22.340 --> 01:38:25.440
Finally, at about 45 minutes, that's what the board member told me.

01:38:25.480 --> 01:38:27.360
So it was about 45 minutes. He said, I was watching.

01:38:28.440 --> 01:38:31.720
It looked at us and said, you have failed.

01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:36.400
Your miserable pitiful God has failed.

01:38:37.220 --> 01:38:41.680
I have killed her and we're done now. I'm leaving.

01:38:43.320 --> 01:38:43.980
And it left.

01:38:46.780 --> 01:38:51.540
And the board member grabbed her hand and was praying, put her hand in his face.

01:38:51.660 --> 01:38:55.040
He didn't tell me at the time because he said, I didn't want to weaken your faith any worse than it was.

01:38:56.340 --> 01:38:58.700
He said her hand was cold and going stiff already.

01:39:00.420 --> 01:39:05.720
He said, that's why I kind of went quiet. He said, I didn't know what to say because it shook me. She's dead.

01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:10.420
Well, interestingly enough, it was a few days previous.

01:39:11.860 --> 01:39:17.860
There was an angel that had showed up real briefly and told me this. This high notes God.

01:39:18.240 --> 01:39:20.320
Again, fingerprint of God. This high notes God.

01:39:21.360 --> 01:39:25.500
It talked to me about this person. It probably was a 30 second conversation.

01:39:26.660 --> 01:39:29.060
Do not let her die.

01:39:30.500 --> 01:39:32.400
You need to memorize this verse.

01:39:33.920 --> 01:39:36.880
I said, okay, what is it? You need to memorize it.

01:39:37.100 --> 01:39:38.540
I said, okay, what is it?

01:39:40.840 --> 01:39:44.100
I am the resurrection and the life.

01:39:45.880 --> 01:39:49.600
Though you were dead, you will live.

01:39:51.200 --> 01:40:02.060
You will need that verse. Memorize it and do not take her to a hospital because they already have warlocks and witches who are nurses and doctors waiting at every hospital around you.

01:40:02.060 --> 01:40:03.680
You take her to a hospital, they will kill her.

01:40:05.620 --> 01:40:07.660
Do not let her die. And it left.

01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:10.280
So I memorized the verse.

01:40:11.900 --> 01:40:16.880
Well, here we are. She's dead. Laying in front of the washer and dryer in the hallway.

01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:22.700
And that verse came back. That conversation. I hadn't thought of it the whole time.

01:40:24.300 --> 01:40:28.360
But the Holy Spirit brings back to our remembrance that conversation came back.

01:40:33.690 --> 01:40:39.050
I said, God, I believe that was an angel.

01:40:39.310 --> 01:40:42.670
That was not Satan dressed as the power of light giving me a tool.

01:40:43.450 --> 01:40:47.050
I believe that was an angel. And I speak to her.

01:40:48.210 --> 01:40:51.050
I am the resurrection and the life.

01:40:51.990 --> 01:40:55.110
And though you were dead, you will live.

01:40:56.010 --> 01:40:57.410
Come back to life.

01:40:58.730 --> 01:40:59.210
Nothing.

01:41:02.330 --> 01:41:05.770
And it was one of the first times I experienced the gift of faith.

01:41:07.430 --> 01:41:09.690
This bomb went off inside of me.

01:41:12.870 --> 01:41:15.930
That it's like there was no place for doubt to hide.

01:41:18.450 --> 01:41:21.270
And it's like, what? You didn't obey me?

01:41:22.090 --> 01:41:24.370
And I said it again. I think I said it two or three times.

01:41:24.790 --> 01:41:28.370
I am the resurrection and the life. You will live and not die.

01:41:28.370 --> 01:41:32.830
And all of a sudden, they took a breath.

01:41:33.410 --> 01:41:36.710
And they went into the fetal position and just started shaking.

01:41:37.270 --> 01:41:38.510
I'm freezing. I'm free.

01:41:38.630 --> 01:41:41.950
Well, their body had cooled off to the point when they came back in the body.

01:41:42.070 --> 01:41:42.730
They were that cold.

01:41:43.530 --> 01:41:45.850
So we covered the person up and laid there.

01:41:45.970 --> 01:41:49.890
It took them a while to warm up and stop shaking.

01:41:51.310 --> 01:41:52.330
I said, what happened?

01:41:54.970 --> 01:41:57.650
She said, the last thing I remember is the ceiling disappeared.

01:41:58.890 --> 01:42:02.030
And I could see into space.

01:42:02.650 --> 01:42:06.530
And she said, I lifted out of my body and I lifted through the ceiling.

01:42:06.990 --> 01:42:10.490
And everything opened up and I started taking up speed.

01:42:10.630 --> 01:42:12.730
And I was going towards, like we call a light.

01:42:13.890 --> 01:42:15.390
And I was gaining, she was dead.

01:42:16.630 --> 01:42:17.990
She said, everything disappeared.

01:42:18.250 --> 01:42:20.010
And all I could see is I'm going towards the light.

01:42:20.110 --> 01:42:21.990
And she said, then way in the distance.

01:42:26.380 --> 01:42:37.700
I heard you say, though you're dead, you will live.

01:42:38.780 --> 01:42:40.160
Get back in this body.

01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:44.780
She said, and it's like somebody hit the brakes and I came to a stop.

01:42:45.420 --> 01:42:47.380
But I didn't go anywhere. I just sat there.

01:42:48.340 --> 01:42:52.260
And then after a time or two, she said, I went backwards and I would back in my body.

01:43:02.290 --> 01:43:06.430
Over time, because of those things and a bunch of other things that happened,

01:43:08.750 --> 01:43:10.190
I lost my marriage.

01:43:12.710 --> 01:43:15.310
My wife wasn't up for that.

01:43:16.510 --> 01:43:17.550
And I can't blame her.

01:43:19.130 --> 01:43:21.110
I lay no blame towards her whatsoever.

01:43:21.310 --> 01:43:22.830
Our holder totally guiltless in the matter.

01:43:23.970 --> 01:43:26.570
We were drowning. We were in over our heads.

01:43:26.910 --> 01:43:30.890
It was just miracle after miracle that kept us from ending up in jail

01:43:30.890 --> 01:43:33.610
from killing somebody, dying in the house kind of thing.

01:43:34.590 --> 01:43:36.290
And the marriage drowned because of it.

01:43:37.250 --> 01:43:40.230
I'm sure there was many things I did wrong regarding the marriage.

01:43:40.850 --> 01:43:42.470
But that's between me and Jesus.

01:43:43.230 --> 01:43:44.110
We'll talk about that.

01:43:45.230 --> 01:43:46.850
And that's where I'm going to leave all that.

01:43:47.650 --> 01:43:48.850
I'm not going to talk about that.

01:43:50.150 --> 01:43:51.350
But here was my dilemma.

01:43:51.710 --> 01:43:55.210
I knew that getting through this period of my life was a mandate from God.

01:43:55.710 --> 01:43:58.110
I didn't know why he chose it to play out the way he did.

01:44:00.010 --> 01:44:02.030
There were some good things that came out of it.

01:44:02.030 --> 01:44:04.950
I developed an extreme intimacy with the Holy Spirit

01:44:04.950 --> 01:44:07.750
and I did learn how to hear his voice very clearly.

01:44:07.970 --> 01:44:12.150
I remember coming home from one of those deliverance things.

01:44:13.710 --> 01:44:15.330
And I crawled in behind.

01:44:15.590 --> 01:44:19.730
We had a couch and a chair set in the living room.

01:44:19.830 --> 01:44:23.310
I crawled in behind the chair to just kind of get along

01:44:24.490 --> 01:44:25.990
and leaned against the wall.

01:44:26.630 --> 01:44:28.630
And I told God, I said, I hate this.

01:44:30.170 --> 01:44:32.890
I absolutely hate this.

01:44:34.270 --> 01:44:38.350
The way your word says it's supposed to work, it does not work.

01:44:40.430 --> 01:44:42.290
But yet I know you're God.

01:44:42.490 --> 01:44:43.690
I've seen enough miracles.

01:44:43.950 --> 01:44:47.790
I've seen you do enough to know it's you.

01:44:49.410 --> 01:44:51.430
But I despise what's happening.

01:44:52.370 --> 01:44:55.070
I don't want to be part of this any longer.

01:44:55.990 --> 01:44:56.990
I want out of this.

01:44:56.990 --> 01:44:58.790
This wasn't the first time I talked about this.

01:44:59.150 --> 01:45:00.330
I said, I want out of this.

01:45:01.450 --> 01:45:05.530
And it has got to start working in the name of Jesus.

01:45:07.630 --> 01:45:09.550
I am done with this.

01:45:11.070 --> 01:45:14.170
I'm done with the bondage of you've got to find this

01:45:14.170 --> 01:45:16.770
and you've got to find that and you've got to list this

01:45:16.770 --> 01:45:17.910
and you've got to list that.

01:45:18.150 --> 01:45:19.950
I said, that is not in the word.

01:45:21.130 --> 01:45:23.410
Now, you use him that way, that's okay.

01:45:23.410 --> 01:45:24.910
That's not my goal.

01:45:26.710 --> 01:45:29.130
And I sat there and I wept like a baby.

01:45:31.550 --> 01:45:37.470
I said, please, please let it work

01:45:37.470 --> 01:45:40.170
like this book says it's supposed to.

01:45:41.370 --> 01:45:43.150
And the Holy Spirit said to me,

01:45:43.150 --> 01:45:48.390
but you've just learned how to make the other way work.

01:45:48.810 --> 01:45:51.690
And I had, I had gotten to the point where it was starting to work.

01:45:52.470 --> 01:45:54.330
He said, you're hearing me clear enough.

01:45:55.250 --> 01:45:56.630
I said, I don't care.

01:45:57.490 --> 01:45:59.890
I want what the book says.

01:46:03.380 --> 01:46:06.220
And I'm pleading, please.

01:46:07.540 --> 01:46:12.420
That night was the last night I ever used that book.

01:46:14.840 --> 01:46:17.520
It just like a key flipped.

01:46:20.120 --> 01:46:22.320
And from that point forward

01:46:24.500 --> 01:46:25.960
occasionally he'll give me a name

01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:28.780
or a category they're working in.

01:46:29.400 --> 01:46:30.240
Most times I don't care.

01:46:31.540 --> 01:46:32.960
You're here, you don't belong here.

01:46:33.280 --> 01:46:34.400
I'll pray with the person.

01:46:34.800 --> 01:46:35.960
We're going to submit ourselves to God.

01:46:36.080 --> 01:46:36.980
We're going to resist the devil.

01:46:37.120 --> 01:46:38.400
And I don't care what this is, it's out.

01:46:40.160 --> 01:46:41.880
And in the name of Jesus, it's out.

01:46:43.320 --> 01:46:45.440
He said, well, why did it have to get to that point?

01:46:46.020 --> 01:46:46.540
I don't know.

01:46:48.400 --> 01:46:50.700
That to me was Holy Ground.

01:46:50.700 --> 01:46:52.480
It was like Bethel with Abraham.

01:46:55.480 --> 01:46:56.600
I don't know for sure.

01:46:57.020 --> 01:46:59.540
Why does he say earnestly desire spiritual gifts?

01:47:00.580 --> 01:47:02.180
To where you're craving them.

01:47:03.040 --> 01:47:05.840
Why do some stories you hear about missionaries

01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:08.220
or ministers across seas

01:47:08.660 --> 01:47:10.560
to where they finally get to the point

01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:13.040
they say, God, if you don't give us a revival here,

01:47:13.180 --> 01:47:13.800
I'm dying.

01:47:14.200 --> 01:47:15.480
I have no reason to live.

01:47:15.620 --> 01:47:17.720
Why does it have to get to that point?

01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:19.660
And then all of a sudden it breaks.

01:47:19.660 --> 01:47:20.500
I don't know.

01:47:21.980 --> 01:47:23.980
But there is something in Scripture about that.

01:47:24.120 --> 01:47:26.660
I don't know how it works to that way,

01:47:27.340 --> 01:47:28.280
but that's how it works.

01:47:28.420 --> 01:47:30.040
So I am no longer bound to that.

01:47:30.160 --> 01:47:32.720
I haven't been that 18 months.

01:47:33.020 --> 01:47:34.620
Well, it didn't even go the full 18 months

01:47:34.620 --> 01:47:37.000
on the book thing, but it was a few months

01:47:37.000 --> 01:47:38.120
and it felt like an eternity.

01:47:39.080 --> 01:47:40.900
And I'll be the first one to say that

01:47:41.680 --> 01:47:45.100
the way God taught me was a very, very weird experience.

01:47:45.640 --> 01:47:47.600
A number of things I still don't understand.

01:47:51.180 --> 01:47:53.540
But when I come from deliverance,

01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:55.840
I come from everything I saw and I learned

01:47:55.840 --> 01:47:57.440
coming through that time.

01:47:57.560 --> 01:48:01.160
So I tend to see it differently than other people do.

01:48:01.280 --> 01:48:03.240
And since we're talking about this and this is a class,

01:48:03.480 --> 01:48:05.480
I'm going to be coming from that direction.

01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:08.840
But there was a lesson I learned

01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:10.420
as I watched over the years.

01:48:11.540 --> 01:48:13.660
And this is the first time I'm speaking

01:48:13.660 --> 01:48:14.760
about this publicly.

01:48:16.140 --> 01:48:20.060
I told Mary three or four days ago

01:48:20.060 --> 01:48:21.300
she knew nothing about this.

01:48:22.740 --> 01:48:25.100
And God said, now it's time to get it on record.

01:48:25.580 --> 01:48:27.480
So there's some things he wants on record

01:48:27.480 --> 01:48:28.640
and this is one of them.

01:48:32.800 --> 01:48:35.220
Even though good things

01:48:35.220 --> 01:48:37.960
over that period of my life,

01:48:38.560 --> 01:48:40.140
I mean, I saw more miracles,

01:48:42.440 --> 01:48:44.740
physical miracles in that period of my life

01:48:44.740 --> 01:48:47.060
than I've probably seen in the rest of it.

01:48:48.780 --> 01:48:50.460
And we'll talk about that at a different time.

01:48:51.180 --> 01:48:53.520
But because it was such a bad experience,

01:48:54.200 --> 01:48:55.480
I grew to despise it.

01:48:56.800 --> 01:48:58.620
It was such a bad experience.

01:48:59.700 --> 01:49:01.980
And I can look back on it and undeniably

01:49:01.980 --> 01:49:03.740
say that the anointing of the spirit

01:49:03.740 --> 01:49:05.760
was hugely at work because many, many times

01:49:05.760 --> 01:49:08.060
I saw supernatural things and miracles take place

01:49:08.060 --> 01:49:12.540
that are beyond description.

01:49:13.780 --> 01:49:16.340
Nevertheless, I grew to despise the whole thing.

01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:19.420
Many things I don't understand.

01:49:19.620 --> 01:49:21.040
A few of them, the Lord has explained to me,

01:49:21.140 --> 01:49:23.700
but there's still a few things I don't understand.

01:49:25.420 --> 01:49:27.380
And it was coming at me so quickly

01:49:28.600 --> 01:49:30.860
and I was struggling to see what was real,

01:49:31.060 --> 01:49:32.000
what was not real.

01:49:32.900 --> 01:49:35.360
Like, for instance, how can you be stabbed in the belly

01:49:35.360 --> 01:49:36.980
but you weren't stabbed in the belly

01:49:36.980 --> 01:49:38.660
and I saw you were stabbed in the belly

01:49:38.660 --> 01:49:41.980
and I saw the knife come out of you.

01:49:43.360 --> 01:49:45.860
But the clothes didn't get a rip.

01:49:48.420 --> 01:49:50.960
You know, there's stuff you've got to process through

01:49:50.960 --> 01:49:53.220
and there was no time to process through it.

01:49:54.740 --> 01:49:57.720
So, as time went on, I began to despise it

01:49:57.720 --> 01:49:59.620
and then above and beyond all that,

01:49:59.760 --> 01:50:02.060
which helped that as I came under

01:50:02.060 --> 01:50:05.280
severe criticism and judgment from numerous people.

01:50:06.040 --> 01:50:08.620
A lot of bad things were said

01:50:08.620 --> 01:50:13.160
and I was attacked, so to speak.

01:50:15.160 --> 01:50:17.820
So, I had grown to despise the whole thing.

01:50:17.920 --> 01:50:20.880
Of course, God will never let you stay in that mindset.

01:50:21.260 --> 01:50:22.420
He's going to challenge that.

01:50:24.320 --> 01:50:26.200
So, after a few years,

01:50:26.420 --> 01:50:28.240
the Holy Spirit began telling me

01:50:29.100 --> 01:50:31.720
that the Father looked at that period of time

01:50:31.720 --> 01:50:35.340
as something very, very holy

01:50:35.340 --> 01:50:38.040
and the anointing was very strong

01:50:38.040 --> 01:50:39.560
and he did marvelous things.

01:50:39.700 --> 01:50:41.420
Well, I struggled to believe that

01:50:41.420 --> 01:50:44.700
because I was looking at other things.

01:50:48.140 --> 01:50:52.100
So, before I make my point here at the end,

01:50:52.320 --> 01:50:54.700
let me say this, lay a bit of groundwork.

01:50:55.140 --> 01:50:56.920
There's happenings, there's moments,

01:50:57.160 --> 01:50:58.840
there's times in people's life

01:50:58.840 --> 01:51:03.500
that God considers extremely holy or anointed.

01:51:05.200 --> 01:51:07.820
We don't always know what they are

01:51:07.820 --> 01:51:09.260
even when they're happening to us,

01:51:09.280 --> 01:51:11.300
but especially those of us looking in.

01:51:11.560 --> 01:51:14.480
We don't always know what God is looking at

01:51:14.480 --> 01:51:16.860
and saying, now that is holy ground.

01:51:19.720 --> 01:51:20.900
But he does.

01:51:22.160 --> 01:51:23.500
Like, for instance, the young man

01:51:23.500 --> 01:51:27.260
who was accused of trying to come against

01:51:27.780 --> 01:51:29.840
the Jewish nation and they drug him out

01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:31.520
and they stoned him, Stephen.

01:51:32.580 --> 01:51:35.380
That was an extremely holy event in God's eyes.

01:51:37.140 --> 01:51:38.220
They didn't see it.

01:51:39.980 --> 01:51:41.000
Paul did later.

01:51:43.940 --> 01:51:47.160
Paul shaking off the poisonous snake into the fire.

01:51:48.320 --> 01:51:50.320
He's like, well, it must have got a good bite on him

01:51:50.320 --> 01:51:51.180
because he should be dead.

01:51:51.300 --> 01:51:52.280
I don't know, that was kind of weird.

01:51:52.280 --> 01:51:56.380
That was a holy anointed moment to God.

01:51:57.720 --> 01:51:59.700
We don't always know what they are

01:51:59.700 --> 01:52:00.480
and when they are,

01:52:02.480 --> 01:52:04.600
but a lesson he taught me.

01:52:04.980 --> 01:52:06.400
This first time I'm speaking on it,

01:52:06.460 --> 01:52:08.920
this is 40 years.

01:52:09.420 --> 01:52:10.580
I've never talked about this.

01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:15.540
We dare not touch them

01:52:15.540 --> 01:52:17.460
or the person they're happening through.

01:52:18.820 --> 01:52:20.740
We dare not come against them

01:52:20.740 --> 01:52:21.600
or what's happening.

01:52:22.420 --> 01:52:25.040
If it's one of those things that God considers

01:52:25.040 --> 01:52:26.420
a very holy thing,

01:52:27.220 --> 01:52:28.400
if we come against them,

01:52:28.460 --> 01:52:30.360
we're going to release a curse in our own life

01:52:30.360 --> 01:52:32.540
and in our posterity that opens us up

01:52:32.540 --> 01:52:34.620
to some very bad things happening.

01:52:35.580 --> 01:52:36.960
That's why in Scripture we're commanded

01:52:36.960 --> 01:52:38.000
not to judge anybody.

01:52:40.500 --> 01:52:42.100
No, we're never supposed to judge anybody,

01:52:42.360 --> 01:52:43.860
but boy, when you hit one of these

01:52:44.800 --> 01:52:45.940
diamonds, so to speak,

01:52:46.060 --> 01:52:49.020
and you judge it improperly,

01:52:50.180 --> 01:52:51.620
it's not the person

01:52:51.620 --> 01:52:54.320
that it's the anointing,

01:52:54.500 --> 01:52:57.320
the holy thing that we're attacking

01:52:57.320 --> 01:52:58.540
that gets us into trouble.

01:53:00.780 --> 01:53:03.120
And now don't confuse something here

01:53:03.120 --> 01:53:04.380
because people will confuse this.

01:53:04.760 --> 01:53:06.500
I did to begin with because that's what I was taught.

01:53:07.740 --> 01:53:08.840
Don't touch the anointed

01:53:09.580 --> 01:53:11.280
and the anointed are ministers.

01:53:12.060 --> 01:53:12.720
No, they're not.

01:53:14.740 --> 01:53:16.520
The actual verse that says

01:53:16.520 --> 01:53:18.080
when David was saying

01:53:18.900 --> 01:53:20.080
why didn't you kill Saul?

01:53:20.260 --> 01:53:22.580
Because he's anointed and you dare not touch

01:53:22.580 --> 01:53:23.500
the anointed of God.

01:53:24.060 --> 01:53:24.980
Saul was not a minister.

01:53:26.600 --> 01:53:27.880
Saul was in government.

01:53:29.240 --> 01:53:30.040
He was a king.

01:53:30.940 --> 01:53:31.580
He was not a minister.

01:53:32.580 --> 01:53:33.900
And you go through Scripture

01:53:34.520 --> 01:53:36.100
but it's been applied to ministers

01:53:36.100 --> 01:53:37.600
although you can't touch the anointed.

01:53:38.220 --> 01:53:40.740
No, no, no, there's things God does in you

01:53:42.100 --> 01:53:43.820
that are gems of

01:53:44.500 --> 01:53:46.040
holiness and anointing

01:53:47.140 --> 01:53:48.620
and we better leave it alone

01:53:49.520 --> 01:53:50.340
from each other.

01:53:51.480 --> 01:53:52.500
Well, they're not a minister.

01:53:52.660 --> 01:53:53.400
I can say what I want.

01:53:53.740 --> 01:53:55.220
I wouldn't if I were you.

01:54:00.100 --> 01:54:02.400
So he started, this is how it came to me.

01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:03.880
This is how he showed me the first time.

01:54:04.420 --> 01:54:06.200
There was one man after this

01:54:06.200 --> 01:54:07.500
thing was over and

01:54:07.500 --> 01:54:09.880
I had lost my marriage and blah, blah, blah.

01:54:10.000 --> 01:54:11.180
There was one man from the church

01:54:11.180 --> 01:54:13.840
who made an appointment with me and sat me down

01:54:13.840 --> 01:54:15.000
and just severely

01:54:15.620 --> 01:54:17.560
criticized me and judged me to my face.

01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:18.760
Just gutted me.

01:54:21.320 --> 01:54:22.960
I like the guy, trusted the guy.

01:54:23.020 --> 01:54:25.200
He had been on board and I liked him

01:54:25.200 --> 01:54:26.620
but he just basically gutted me.

01:54:28.160 --> 01:54:29.520
It took a number of years

01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:31.720
and then this is how the demonic realm works.

01:54:33.720 --> 01:54:35.700
They will get the rope around your neck

01:54:36.740 --> 01:54:38.520
and rather than pulling it right away

01:54:38.520 --> 01:54:39.680
they'll just feed you a line.

01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:42.240
And they'll let you get

01:54:42.240 --> 01:54:44.440
a number of years away

01:54:44.440 --> 01:54:46.560
from what gave them the right

01:54:46.560 --> 01:54:48.660
to put the noose around your neck

01:54:49.460 --> 01:54:51.060
so that when they

01:54:51.060 --> 01:54:52.240
tighten that baby

01:54:52.240 --> 01:54:53.360
and take you out

01:54:54.520 --> 01:54:56.080
the chances of you

01:54:56.080 --> 01:54:57.940
tying what's happening there

01:54:57.940 --> 01:55:00.120
to 3, 4, 5, 10,

01:55:00.180 --> 01:55:01.980
12 years, whatever

01:55:01.980 --> 01:55:04.940
earlier, without God's help

01:55:04.940 --> 01:55:05.920
it's an impossibility.

01:55:06.040 --> 01:55:07.180
You'll never make the connection.

01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:09.780
So you'll never find the core

01:55:09.780 --> 01:55:10.880
you have to deal with.

01:55:12.160 --> 01:55:14.300
So this was a number of years later

01:55:15.020 --> 01:55:16.600
after this was all over

01:55:16.600 --> 01:55:18.400
I left, we were living in Colorado

01:55:18.400 --> 01:55:19.200
this, that and the other.

01:55:20.440 --> 01:55:21.980
This man developed either

01:55:21.980 --> 01:55:24.380
liver cancer or pancrease cancer.

01:55:24.580 --> 01:55:26.340
He was young, he was in his 50s

01:55:26.340 --> 01:55:29.160
and picture of health

01:55:29.160 --> 01:55:29.920
all his life.

01:55:30.540 --> 01:55:31.160
Picture of health.

01:55:32.160 --> 01:55:33.180
And he died of it.

01:55:34.780 --> 01:55:36.220
Very quickly, he didn't take them long

01:55:36.220 --> 01:55:36.740
he died of it.

01:55:38.800 --> 01:55:40.220
And he wasn't gone

01:55:40.220 --> 01:55:40.960
a few weeks.

01:55:41.580 --> 01:55:43.660
And the Lord one day right out of the blue

01:55:43.660 --> 01:55:45.920
he said that did not have to happen to him

01:55:45.920 --> 01:55:46.940
that was not my will.

01:55:49.280 --> 01:55:50.000
He said

01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:51.100
when he attacked you

01:55:51.100 --> 01:55:53.480
he attacked something very holy

01:55:54.120 --> 01:55:55.600
and he let a spirit in

01:55:56.100 --> 01:55:57.220
that eventually killed him.

01:56:03.310 --> 01:56:04.730
I didn't believe it at first.

01:56:06.250 --> 01:56:06.730
Nah

01:56:06.730 --> 01:56:07.710
I don't buy it.

01:56:09.170 --> 01:56:10.190
I don't buy it.

01:56:10.190 --> 01:56:10.370
I don't buy it.

01:56:11.850 --> 01:56:12.850
And then

01:56:13.850 --> 01:56:15.510
didn't take too much longer

01:56:15.510 --> 01:56:16.930
something else happened

01:56:17.710 --> 01:56:19.670
a lady who had

01:56:20.710 --> 01:56:21.390
had

01:56:21.390 --> 01:56:23.850
severely attacked me during that

01:56:23.850 --> 01:56:25.850
after it was over, after I had

01:56:25.850 --> 01:56:26.910
left and was gone

01:56:27.470 --> 01:56:28.530
severely attacked me

01:56:28.530 --> 01:56:31.790
she died in a horrible way of cancer

01:56:33.430 --> 01:56:35.010
she was gone

01:56:35.010 --> 01:56:36.330
and the Lord said

01:56:36.330 --> 01:56:37.790
she didn't have to die that way

01:56:40.190 --> 01:56:41.210
she attacked you

01:56:41.850 --> 01:56:43.290
and it's not about you

01:56:43.290 --> 01:56:44.550
it's about what she attacked

01:56:44.550 --> 01:56:46.510
she attacked a very holy anointed thing

01:56:47.410 --> 01:56:48.970
and she should have kept her mouth shut

01:56:48.970 --> 01:56:50.270
she didn't know

01:56:50.890 --> 01:56:52.970
but she did it anyway, she didn't believe my word

01:56:53.830 --> 01:56:55.150
because he basically says

01:56:55.150 --> 01:56:56.190
we shouldn't attack each other

01:56:56.890 --> 01:56:58.490
I think most Christians know that

01:57:00.590 --> 01:57:03.130
and I said you're going to have to give me Scripture on this

01:57:05.010 --> 01:57:06.650
he did, this is the Scripture he gave me

01:57:06.650 --> 01:57:08.870
2 Samuel 6 verse 6 and 7

01:57:09.490 --> 01:57:10.810
this is David bringing

01:57:10.810 --> 01:57:12.550
the ark

01:57:12.550 --> 01:57:13.570
back to Israel

01:57:14.730 --> 01:57:15.730
after it was stolen

01:57:15.730 --> 01:57:18.390
when they came to the threshing floor of Nikon

01:57:19.070 --> 01:57:21.010
Uzzah reached out his hand to hold the ark

01:57:21.010 --> 01:57:22.450
because the oxen had stumbled

01:57:22.450 --> 01:57:24.330
now remember you could not touch the ark

01:57:24.330 --> 01:57:25.030
or it would kill you

01:57:25.950 --> 01:57:27.810
the Lord's anger burned against Uzzah

01:57:27.810 --> 01:57:29.330
because of his irreverent act

01:57:29.330 --> 01:57:30.990
therefore struck him down

01:57:30.990 --> 01:57:33.190
and he died there beside the ark of God

01:57:38.410 --> 01:57:39.990
I said okay

01:57:41.850 --> 01:57:42.990
what does that mean

01:57:44.890 --> 01:57:46.850
he said the anointing of God

01:57:46.850 --> 01:57:48.410
is very real

01:57:48.410 --> 01:57:50.450
and when you touch it the wrong way

01:57:50.450 --> 01:57:52.190
it will kill you

01:57:52.510 --> 01:57:54.770
you touch it the right way it will give you life

01:57:58.180 --> 01:58:00.320
he happened to touch it the wrong way

01:58:00.320 --> 01:58:00.980
and it killed him

01:58:02.240 --> 01:58:04.380
he said what happened back there

01:58:04.380 --> 01:58:11.760
There was very holy to me. And when people touch that anointing the wrong way, they open

01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:16.440
themselves up to the other kingdom and it'll kill them. It'll destroy them. If not kill

01:58:16.440 --> 01:58:20.720
them, it'll destroy them. And I watch people, bankruptcies happen. I watch people, finances

01:58:20.720 --> 01:58:25.060
just turn around on a dime to where it just looked like everything was going the wrong

01:58:25.060 --> 01:58:31.920
way. I watch not necessarily in the person who had bad mouthed me, but in their lineage,

01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:36.060
horrible accident kind of things happened that would stay with them the rest of their life.

01:58:37.180 --> 01:58:43.680
And I'm not thinking about it. And just one day the Lord would say, that didn't have to happen. That

01:58:43.680 --> 01:58:53.200
was not me. So I have learned a lesson out of this. Of course, then a false sense of guilt came out

01:58:53.200 --> 01:58:59.020
of it. You know, now God's telling me people are dying because they bad mouthed me in something

01:58:59.020 --> 01:59:07.880
that I don't fully understand what the world was going on. They're losing property. Their stuff is

01:59:07.880 --> 01:59:14.580
happening. I said, why are you telling me this? This is not cheering me up. I mean, it's not like

01:59:14.580 --> 01:59:19.420
I'm all excited. Oh yeah, bless God, they're getting theirs. It's like, I'd soon not know this.

01:59:20.940 --> 01:59:24.680
And he quoted this verse to me. He said, I no longer call you servants because a servant

01:59:24.680 --> 01:59:29.360
does not know his master's business. Instead, I've called you friends for everything that I learned

01:59:29.360 --> 01:59:35.160
from my father I've made known to you. He said, that's what I'm telling you because I don't consider

01:59:35.160 --> 01:59:40.960
you my servant. I consider you my friend. You deserve to know. So now I had a whole new

01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:49.520
thing I had to work through. I say that to say this. If there's an area over the years,

01:59:49.520 --> 01:59:54.720
been 40 years, and I've never talked about this, that I've watched others and seen

01:59:56.380 --> 02:00:04.100
something that God very consistently considers holy and anointed its deliverance.

02:00:05.040 --> 02:00:11.080
It's getting people set free from demonic forces. That is holy, holy ground.

02:00:13.140 --> 02:00:17.660
It applies to all areas of where, you know, anointing, but I'm just focusing on this one.

02:00:19.520 --> 02:00:25.900
I say all that to say this. Be very careful not to touch that in a critical judgmental manner.

02:00:28.800 --> 02:00:32.880
You can talk to them about it if they're willing to talk to you. You can ask questions.

02:00:33.380 --> 02:00:35.820
You can converse if they're willing to do that.

02:00:38.180 --> 02:00:44.220
But don't judge them or what's happening. Because if you touch that arc in the wrong

02:00:44.220 --> 02:00:53.560
attitude, it'll bite you. The same spirit of God that raised Lazarus from the dead

02:00:54.560 --> 02:01:04.730
killed Ananias and Sapphira. It goes both ways. God uses everyone differently in

02:01:04.730 --> 02:01:09.470
the realm of deliverance. Don't declare what is God and what is not God.

02:01:10.970 --> 02:01:15.050
Don't ever attack someone and declare them wrong in what they're doing and judge them.

02:01:18.690 --> 02:01:28.750
If we've done that or if we've touched other things that were holy and precious to God that he anointed,

02:01:32.460 --> 02:01:39.240
folks, we got to repent and get that off our chart before it bears fruit.

02:01:42.140 --> 02:01:49.660
You know, I shudder when I watch people criticize tongues or healing.

02:01:50.840 --> 02:01:57.520
That's demonic. That's not of God. Blah blah blah blah. It's like, oh my goodness, you are touching the

02:01:57.520 --> 02:02:04.600
anointing in a way you do not want to touch it. But I've never been allowed to say anything.

02:02:04.760 --> 02:02:09.880
I don't know if you'll let me say anything now. It's just one of these things that the average

02:02:09.880 --> 02:02:15.500
Christian knows better. But we're so full of ourselves and our own opinions and our own

02:02:15.500 --> 02:02:27.160
judging that we go there anyway. And realize this, for those of you that are gods going to use

02:02:27.160 --> 02:02:32.680
from time to time in deliverance stuff, people are going to criticize you.

02:02:33.600 --> 02:02:37.160
People are going to judge you. People are going to declare you

02:02:38.060 --> 02:02:47.860
not operating under God's power and eat your lunch, spit you out, and think they've done

02:02:47.860 --> 02:02:54.910
God of service. You cannot develop an attitude with them.

02:02:57.150 --> 02:03:03.650
Because the attitude or unforgiveness that starts in you, when you go to cast out a demon,

02:03:04.170 --> 02:03:09.810
they will call you out on it. Because see, in the spirit realm, we emanate who we are. We're like

02:03:09.810 --> 02:03:18.650
beings. And they can see what's in us and what's not in us. They will call you out in your sin

02:03:18.650 --> 02:03:23.650
and tell you, you have no authority over me because you are this. I had it happen more

02:03:23.650 --> 02:03:28.550
than once. It's very embarrassing. Like, oh my God, you got to bring that up now.

02:03:31.650 --> 02:03:33.410
Don't say that, there's a board member here.

02:03:39.270 --> 02:03:43.610
You cannot develop an attitude with the people who are against you

02:03:44.210 --> 02:03:50.530
or say bad things to you because it will kill your ability to set people free.

02:03:51.470 --> 02:03:56.590
Because the spirit will literally grab your sin and stay in the person because of your sin.

02:03:58.030 --> 02:04:03.150
Well, there's a whole big realm of that. That was one of the problems. I didn't understand

02:04:03.150 --> 02:04:09.250
why things were not working for me to begin with. Because I'll just say this and we're

02:04:09.250 --> 02:04:14.110
done. We're longer than I expected, but we're done. I don't think anybody got bored,

02:04:14.910 --> 02:04:21.010
hopefully not. To begin with, when it didn't work right, I got angry.

02:04:21.010 --> 02:04:30.790
It made me mad. You ugly, foul, good for nothing, demonic spirit. I hate you. I just...

02:04:30.790 --> 02:04:40.490
and they'd sit there and smirk. I was feeding them energy through my sinful attitude.

02:04:44.920 --> 02:04:49.160
And until I got into a deliverance session with the man who was

02:04:50.280 --> 02:04:55.320
my mentor, I thought, ah, this is going to be good. I'm going to watch how he does it.

02:04:55.400 --> 02:05:02.360
And he sat in front of them and a demon would come up and he'd say, you know,

02:05:03.700 --> 02:05:09.720
God loves you. And it's so sad that we have to meet this way

02:05:11.020 --> 02:05:14.520
because I don't want to do you any harm. I have nothing against you.

02:05:15.720 --> 02:05:22.560
But you're hurting this person. He came across with such love, such calmness,

02:05:23.420 --> 02:05:29.380
but such authority. And these demons would sit there. Yes, sir. No, sir.

02:05:31.120 --> 02:05:35.040
I'm under authority too. I can't leave, but you're going to have to leave

02:05:35.040 --> 02:05:38.240
because see the true God and then he explained it to them.

02:05:40.160 --> 02:05:44.240
And I don't want to put you in pain, but if you don't leave, I'm going to.

02:05:45.260 --> 02:05:56.480
And you will get out. And he's just calm, soft spoken. And I'm going, oh, that's how it's done.

02:05:58.960 --> 02:06:02.460
So after it was all over, I talked to him. I said, you never got angry.

02:06:03.240 --> 02:06:10.620
He says, you can't let yourself. He says, because unless it's one of those rare exceptions

02:06:10.620 --> 02:06:16.440
where the righteous anger comes on you. And he says, when that happens, you'll recognize it.

02:06:16.680 --> 02:06:19.520
He says, unless it's one of those rare exceptions, he said, it's not God getting

02:06:19.520 --> 02:06:25.860
angry with them. It's you getting angry with them. And you'll get into emotions and into feelings

02:06:26.400 --> 02:06:32.560
that are not God, but yet you're invoking the power of God to drive them out. While

02:06:32.560 --> 02:06:37.080
you're operating in a system that's not God, he said, they won't listen to you.

02:06:37.740 --> 02:06:43.120
And I'm gone. I'm going to remember that. That's good information.

02:06:47.460 --> 02:06:52.480
So there's a number of things. There's just some little rules to the road that are very simple,

02:06:53.840 --> 02:07:01.380
but we don't know them. You know, when I watch Christians get on a person trying to cast something,

02:07:08.680 --> 02:07:16.260
they're not operating in God, but that was me. Why? Nobody ever pointed it out to me. You can't do that.

02:07:16.640 --> 02:07:22.900
I was taught to hate the devil. We need to hate him. I mean, he's destroyed the world.

02:07:25.380 --> 02:07:36.990
Oops. God is. And you know what? He loves the devil as much now as he did before he fell.

02:07:39.650 --> 02:07:45.550
Has not changed. And out of that love is how God operates.

02:07:47.130 --> 02:07:51.390
And that's what we have to learn. That's what I had to learn. That tripped me up for quite a while

02:07:52.630 --> 02:07:56.530
because I thought, I'm going to, you know, charismatic. We're going to fall in the power of God.

02:07:56.670 --> 02:08:02.030
And this thing's going to obey me and spitting and fulmin' and yelling and screaming.

02:08:03.750 --> 02:08:11.520
And they mock you. So we're going to learn some things. But the main thing I want to

02:08:11.520 --> 02:08:19.740
leave you with is, Holy Spirit, bring back to our remembrance any areas where we would have

02:08:19.740 --> 02:08:26.000
touched the anointing that was happening in someone, some ministry, some person, some somebody.

02:08:27.820 --> 02:08:35.480
The wrong way. And we criticized and we condemned and we judged and declared this thing is not God.

02:08:36.440 --> 02:08:41.380
Lord, we want to unhook from that as quickly as we can. It's not our job.

02:08:41.580 --> 02:08:44.700
They're not our servant. They don't answer to us.

02:08:46.360 --> 02:08:55.000
So, Lord, bring anything back to our remembrance we need to know and forgive us. We send it away.

02:08:55.120 --> 02:09:00.960
It's between you and them. We will try to edify each other, help each other, support each other,

02:09:01.340 --> 02:09:06.120
do what we can to help each other, move forward in whatever you've asked us to do.

02:09:06.920 --> 02:09:12.060
But we're not, we're going to back away from this judging and criticizing because it,

02:09:12.060 --> 02:09:21.000
it maims, it destroys, and it kills people. And we don't want to be part of that. We don't want it

02:09:21.000 --> 02:09:26.060
happening to us and we don't want it happening to anybody in our lineage. In Jesus' name,

02:09:26.200 --> 02:09:30.620
so Holy Spirit, we're asking right now, you speak to us, you talk to us before we meet again next

02:09:30.620 --> 02:09:34.820
week. If there's some things we need to clean up with you, I pray everybody does it in Jesus'

02:09:35.020 --> 02:09:41.680
name. Amen. Amen. Be blessed. Thank you for being so patient. That was a long run. Have a

02:09:41.680 --> 02:09:41.920
good night.