Let's jump right in. Let me touch a couple of things that we had last week and then we'll
open up for questions for you. We got talking about tattoos a bit last week and I wanted
to give you some scripture on it. So if you want to make notes on this, you can. Otherwise,
you can just follow me along and I'll just give them to you. The main one that is used
against tattooing or marking yourself for the dead is Leviticus 1928. And if he says, do
not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves, I am the Lord. So we
talked about that some. I wanted to address, give you some other scriptures because I said,
well, God does do some tattooing and so forth. So let me just give those to you. Genesis 4.15.
So the whole concept of tattooing or marking yourself, the scripture goes either way.
Depending upon what translation you read, it calls it a mark, calls it a tattoo. Of course,
a permanent mark is like a tattoo, you know, however it was put there. So that whole concept
came from God. Now, the devil is taking it just like he takes everything God comes up with and
perverts it, tries to twist it. But the first place we find marking is when God marked Cain.
After Cain killed Abel, God marked him or tattooed him so that he would always be
recognized by anybody who looks at him. Well, what did he have? He had a tattoo,
he had a mark as some kind. That was really obvious. It marked him as what he was, an evil man.
But God came up with the idea of marking him. And it evidently was not a sin to mark him or
God couldn't have done it. Remember, I said this last week, this is dirt. It is the temple
of the Holy Spirit. So it needs to be handled in a holy, God honoring manner. But it's still dirt.
There are things we do to dress up our dirt. And that's okay.
There's things we do to try to get rid of its foul odor. Like take a shower and use the odorant.
And that's okay. I see that the whole thing comes back to the heart. Why you're doing a tattoo?
But I see it as just dressing up your dirt. If you're doing it the right way.
Because the concept is not demonic, the concept is from God.
Just like, if you haven't read my book yet, I'll just throw this in for free,
just like giving a woman a writing of divorce and not just putting her away,
but divorcing her and giving the written papers of divorce. God came up with that idea.
That is not demonic. The devil did not come up with that. God came up with that.
Because it's the way to set someone free to go on live their life.
Because what they were doing was they had, remember in the Old Testament,
they could have multiple partners, multiple wives, and they'd get tired of one and marry another one.
And the previous one became the slave or the workhorse for the family. Couldn't get out of
it. They became Cinderella many times, so to speak. And they were trapped. They couldn't get out of it.
That's called putting away. God hates putting away. And when you look it up in the King
James, God does not hate divorce, God is divorced. In case you forgot that, God is divorced.
But God hates putting away.
He said he divorced Israel and gave her a writing of divorcement or gave her the papers.
I don't know what that looked like, but he followed his own system when he dealt with that.
He came up with that. God came up with tattoos or markings that would identify us
in certain ways. Now the devil takes that and perverts that, but God came up with it. I just
wanted you to notice that. Isaiah 44 verse 5. This is where God has his people imprinted on his
hands. And one of the translations I read, let me just go there just for the fun of it and see
if it was the amplified. Isaiah 44 verse 5. I am the Lord's and another will call himself
by the name of Jacob. Another will write even brand or tattoo upon his hand. I am the Lord's,
the surname himself, an honorable name of Israel. Nope, it's not the one.
This is talking about people who are serving God. It must be the next verse. So let's
deal with this one and go to the next one. This is talking about people serving God and marking
themselves as a servant of God. Now what that comes out of history-wise is in Mesopotamia,
which is the oldest civilization on earth. And Egypt comes out of that. It's that whole region
over there. One of the things they used to do is they used to tattoo or mark their servants
many times with a picture or a symbol of the God they serve. So God did not care for that. That's
like no. But here we've got Israelites marking themselves as servants of God, tattooing themselves
as servants of God. And that's fine. Another will write even brand or tattoo upon his hand.
I am the Lord's and surname himself by the honorable name of Israel. So they put on their
hand or someplace they put a tattoo says I am the Lord's and then put one of his names there.
Mark it right in. He's good with that. But marking yourself after a false God,
he's not good with that. The one I was looking for was 4916. This is where God
has people tattooed marked on his own hands. Behold, I have indelibly,
indelibly, this is not a passing thing, indelibly imprinted, tattooed. Now notice this,
I hadn't caught this before, tattooed a picture of you on the palm of each of my hands.
See, I was pretty impressed that he could get all the people who are his people
get their name on his hands. According to the amplified, it's not our name, it's our picture.
He looks at his hands and he sees you, not your name, he sees you.
Well, that's intense. And it's indelibly, indelibly means you can't get rid of it. It's there.
It's like, wow. This is a questionable one. I've had people ask the question on this one. Galatians
617, Paul says he carries the marks, that's the word used for tattoo, the marks of the gospel
on his body. You know, he was stoned, he was whipped, he was all kinds of stuff. And those
were marks of the gospel. Paul said, I carry in my body marks of the gospel.
Were they tattoos? No, I don't know, you figure it out. Because remember, all tattoos weren't done
with ink because ink is a fairly recent thing. They were done by cutting and marking. Well,
when you're whipped, you get cut, you get marked. So that's why Paul was saying,
I carry tattoos for the gospel. You want to see him? You imagine how he looked?
The number of times he was whipped, beaten with rods,
stoned. His body must have looked pretty rough.
But he says, those are marks, or you can use the word tattoos of the gospel.
Revelation 14-1, God tattoos the 144,000. That until it's their time, they can't be touched.
Again, a visible thing that everybody can see. He marks them.
This is them. And until it's their time, they're going to be witnesses and you can't touch them.
Nobody can touch them to kill them kind of thing. They're marked. And in Revelation 19-16,
let's just go there. I want to read that one. On his garment, speaking of Jesus, are on his robe
and on his thigh. I'm reading the amplified. He has a name, a title inscribed.
So now notice, he separates the garment from the thigh. It doesn't just say, and on his garment,
it says on his robe, or on his garment, and on his thigh, it says king of kings and lord of lords.
What's the tattoo? It might even be embroidered on the garment. But somehow it's written into
his thigh. He is the king of kings and he is the lord of lords.
So going all the way back to the beginning of Genesis, tattoos in and of themselves are not evil or
wrong. This whole thing goes back to the heart again. And why are we doing this? What are we
doing? What are we doing it for? They're not evil in and of themselves. But like anything else,
you can have a TV and it's not evil. It's neutral. Depending upon what you use it for,
it can be used very evil though. So it's like everything else. It comes back to the heart of
the person. So I think that kind of covers that. We had one, Ted brought up something that he had
heard, and I didn't respond to it because I never thought of it. And when I haven't never
thought it, it's brand new to me. I don't like to stick my neck out too far in case
it gets in a noose. So I wait and process it a little bit. He had brought up the concept of
he had heard someone say some place along the line that a tattoo was a form of a blood covenant
because you draw blood when you put it in. And it's like I've never thought of that before.
But going back and looking at how a blood covenant is made and the intent of me giving
my life to you and your life to me, and we are becoming one, and that intent has to be done in
front of witnesses. It has to be done publicly. It's a blood covenant is a whole different thing.
If someone draws blood from me and I'm in a covenant with them now, I'm in covenant with
the doctor who worked on my arm. I'm in covenant with the dentists who've worked on my teeth.
I'm in covenant with the teacher who cleaned up my bloody knee when I was a little kid.
I'm going to come from the other direction and say I don't think it is. I don't think it's a blood
covenant. But it's a good question. All good questions. So if we can get somebody to run
the mics, we will open for questions and see what we can talk about tonight.
Did we cover that part of the booklet thoroughly enough that now as you read through it, you can
say, yeah, I can get them off of me. I can get them out of my house. I can clean up my life
from any kind of demonic stuff coming against me. Do you feel how would you say
prepared? Equipped. You got the tools to do it. Now, we'll still walk alongside of you and
help you. If you run into a problem you need some help with, we'll be glad to run alongside
of you and help you. But at the same token, we also want you to grow and learn how to do it so
you can be of a help to other. Go for it. Okay, my question is, you know my living situation.
So there's people in there that are not saved and they have
disabilities, things like that. I can definitely feel it. And I feel like that's like another
part-time job as well. Walking through and clearing it. I've been given authority to do
the property and all that stuff. Is that just something I'm just going to have to battle?
Because you moved in with it. Or it moved in with you. Let me take it a level deeper.
So you're living in a situation with random people who are
under the same roof, under the same household. Household is big when it comes to spiritual
things. I don't understand it fully, but household is big. Now you can live in an
apartment building and the person next to you and their apartment running drugs and
doing all kinds of stuff and it doesn't affect you at all. But if you're under the same household,
somehow that opens the door differently. And scripture talks about it.
But now to take that a level deeper, you know how frustrated you get with
the opposition? You can feel it. You know how frustrated you get with that?
What if you were married to it? And that's why you're not anymore.
See, that's why God says, do not be unequally helped. Because what do you do
when you're joined in spirit to someone whose temple is full of garbage? And you're living with it
24 seven and not only living with it as a woman, most of the time these situations,
they're trying to rule you. You know, they're trying to tell you what you can do and what you
can't do and how you can serve God and how you won't serve God. And if it comes a nightmare,
but yet at the same token as long as it's possible to stay with them, Paul says stay with
them because there's a realm of sanctification that comes to them. If you can hang in there
and stay with them. But sometimes it gets some nasty you can't. You just got to do what you
got to do. But that, yeah, if you're... when we did foster care years ago,
one of the... before we started, I said, Lord, what are the things we need to know before we
move this stuff in? And the first thing and main thing he told me, he said, never lose the
peace of your home. If you lose the peace of your home, you have to... you have to deal with
that. Never lose the peace of your home. So yeah, when they get in the same household,
that affects you. Go ahead. You're talking about eyes and seeing the different things you saw.
Have you ever seen where they jiggle? Both eyes kind of in unison will go like that.
That can be a nerve response, but it also can be spiritual.
But it can be a nerve response. If you're praying over them and all of a sudden it's going at you,
chances are it's probably spiritual, but it still can be.
Depending upon, then I'd stop and I'd say, how do you feel right now? Are you uptight?
Are you nervous? Do you feel anxious? Are you afraid?
Is there anything stimulating their nervous system that could cause that?
And if they're very peaceful and calm, then it's probably spiritual.
If they're like, yeah, I'm freaking out right now. I don't know what to think.
My mind's just racing. It could be nerve related.
Alright, the other thing was when you're talking about praying and addressing things for the region.
I know I read some things from a book by John Paul Jackson.
And he talked about that, but he talked about also like when people do that,
that they can actually allow things to come on them.
Oh, I've never read the book. I don't know. I've never had experience in that realm,
so I can't really answer that one. Got a question up there and one over there.
So yeah, I don't know what to say to that.
I could take a stab at it, be totally wrong, so I just won't stab.
What kind of spirits do you feel are over Princeton?
Poverty? Oh, okay, I'll wait.
You want to add something to that or you want to give advice here?
Give them the mic. So it gets on the recording.
I was wondering if maybe we could take a week to practice sensing that
and then talk about that next week and see, just give us a chance to figure it out for ourselves
and then see if... How many want to do that? Let's do that. Good idea.
So we're not, I can tell you separately alone if you want to afterwards,
if you really want to know the answer what I think now.
So yeah, we can talk about that.
Okay, I have a crazy testimony story.
So when I asked this, I give you guys permission to kind of laugh with me.
Yeah, she talked to me about this and I said share your story and then we'll go to the question.
So long story short, I've always been a Christian.
My dad was a pastor in our church burned down when I was in seventh grade and then my mom left.
And so that's kind of where my trauma starts from is abandonment from my mom
and not getting what I needed from my, both my parents.
So I got into drugs, meth and heroin.
And the first time I went to the psych ward in 2011.
So my question was to him, how do you decipher between mental illness in demonic possession?
So when I went to the psych ward, it was because I thought I was God.
And when I get there, my roommate was Virgin Mary, King Solomon was there.
The antichrist was there.
Gabriel the angel was there and Michael also the archangel was there.
These were all in people?
Yes.
And we all knew who each other were.
It was very, very strange.
And I was there for three months and people were coming and going, coming and going.
And one thing that we all had in common was that we all knew who each other were.
And we felt our mission was to warn people that Jesus is returning soon.
So then a couple months later, I go back to the hospital this time.
I don't think I'm God.
I feel like God's working through me.
And so I asked the doctor that I was seeing, the psych doctor.
And I said, everyone here on this unit is experiencing...
I was there for three months, so I seen a lot of people coming and going.
And they were all experiencing spiritual stuff.
And so I asked her, don't you doctors think that some type of phenomenon is going on?
Don't you guys want to do a study that we're all experiencing something spiritually
that we're seeing demons or angels or we're Bible characters?
Don't you want to know what's really going on?
And she said, if it really was demons, then how come when we give you guys medication, they go away?
So that's kind of what my question was to him, is how do you decide between mental illness and demon possession?
Really good question and something we're dealing with more and more and more and more and more now is mental illness.
So I don't know if I have a good answer for this.
We are going to talk about it some in the future.
Because we have so much mental illness now, it's sometimes mistaken for demons.
Let me say it this way.
If you're mentally ill, there's probably critters there helping enhance that.
So if you're mentally ill, you are likely have some form of demonic activity going on.
But someone with demonic activity is not necessarily mentally ill.
They can be very healthy in their mind and have demonic activity.
How can you tell the difference? It's really, really hard.
Because many times mentally ill people like your story, that's why I asked her to share that, because that's a really good example.
They see things, they hear things, they think things, and to them, like to you, that was real.
Yeah, it was real.
But you probably, even at that point, weren't God, you know?
But to you, it was very real.
And so you were seeing manifestations of things, and things were happening. Were you hearing voices?
No, never heard any voices. The second time I went in, when I didn't think I was God, but God was working through me.
I would pray for people, and their demons would come out, and I know this is really weird and gross.
But I'd have to hug a Lugi, and so every time I would pray for someone.
And it was really weird because I think one of the nurses...
This should be on the recording. Who's got the mic? Can we bring that back?
Oh, Jersey!
Well, it's real, though. There are people who have all kinds of stuff when demons come out, from throwing up to everything else.
Yeah, so the second time I went in, when I felt like God was working through me, I would pray for people.
And I would have to...
The nurse that... I don't know if he... I think he would...
Looking back, I think he was a Christian, and I really think he probably felt kind of the way...
A lot of people with mental illness, and so he obviously knew there was some demonic stuff going on.
And so when I would pray for people, I would have to spit, and then they would be better.
It was so weird. It was like 10 years ago, but I have so many different stories of...
But that felt so real.
It felt so real. And then there were times where we did have a Bible on the unit, and we were already in the Bible holding hands praying.
Because a lot of people had to go to court because they got committed.
And so we got in trouble for praying, and we had to be separated.
It was just crazy of the stuff that goes on there of...
They do not want people to touch each other, hug each other, pray for each other.
It's really sad what goes on behind closed doors at psych wards.
I mean, I felt like I was in prison, you know.
And I was there for three months, like I said, and I asked the doctor, because I wasn't suicidal or harming anyone.
And so it was really weird to me that people come in with that are suicidal, and they're only there for 72 hours.
And I asked the doctor, I'm like, how come I'm here for three months?
And all these people are trying to kill themselves, and they're just here for 72 hours.
And his answer was, because you have good insurance.
Proper truth to that.
Or, but now looking back, hopefully I did help people.
Like I did, you know, even though I was kind of woohoo, but, you know, I was witnessing to people, so maybe that's why, I don't know.
So yeah, it's mental illness is a whole different animal to deal with.
And the problem is, again, it goes back to, how can I explain this as it makes sense to me?
Everything we do in life is by faith.
Everything.
So to guard our hearts, talked about in Proverbs 4, talked about in Philippians 4,
we have to guard our heart with all diligence. That's done by faith.
Mentally ill people don't know how to do that. Many times they're not capable.
I mean, you can teach them, you can show them how to do it, and they don't know how to do it.
Because they're so wrapped up in their mental illness, it just kind of overwhelms them.
And everything you said, they never do.
It is a disservice to them to cast too many demons out.
Because they will become a landing pad, it just gets worse and worse and worse.
Because what happens is, especially if the demon has given the ability to roam,
it will come back around and look into their temple.
And when it sees they're not occupying it or holding their ground,
it will get seven more evil than itself and they will move in.
Well, now you've done them a huge injustice.
So the whole balancing thing with mental illness is really an individual by individual case.
And it's something that I'm still learning and struggling with,
because it's becoming such a recent epidemic.
How far do you go?
Because you give them... I've always said deliverance is actually like peeling an onion.
And I get this picture out of, and we'll get there when we talk about holding the land,
because the picture is in the Old Testament, how that God drove everything out little by little,
so that he wouldn't just clean the land out and then wild beasts infiltrate it
and overcome the people and they lose it all.
So there's a process that's like peeling an onion.
It's got all kinds of layers before you get to the core and really get rid of everything.
The person who's getting deliverance needs to learn how to maintain what you gave to them.
You don't want to take the whole onion and throw it out,
because it might be too much spiritual ground for them to occupy.
That is especially true with mentally ill people.
Because they are so wrapped up in their own anxiety, their own drama, their own fear,
their own suspicions.
Mentally ill people are suspicious of everything and everybody all the time.
I mean, who's coming after me? Who's watching me?
Are you doing this on purpose? Why are you chasing me?
Yeah, it's paranoia.
Depending upon how much of that they have, that is the world they live in.
And you can say, this is what you have to do to maintain that ground.
And you cast some demons out and they don't maintain the ground.
Well, now you just made their life worse than six months or a year later.
They're going to be worse off than if you'd have left them alone.
So with... here's the point I'm trying to make.
With the removing of demonic forces, there has to be healing.
They have to go together.
You're a perfect example. You are doing very well.
I'm not saying that you have no battles. Not saying that.
But you are doing very well.
You have conquered your living life, your overcoming,
and the old hooks that used to grab you and suck you under,
you don't let them do it so much anymore.
You're living above them.
That came a little at a time, didn't it?
That I really got healing.
So our job is to help them gain some healing
and remove enough of the demonic force
that they can live in that little bit of healing
and let them grow in that and then take another layer off
and another layer off. That's a conclusion I'm coming to.
You went through it. You think I'm right or wrong on that?
Totally agree.
Because if you do too much all at once,
you weren't ready to maintain your land.
I mean spiritually to run your life.
That's what I mean by maintain your land.
Spiritually run your life. You weren't ready.
But you could do a little bit and then you did a little more.
I'm not against medication at all
if that helps stabilize them until they can get healed.
I got no issue with that.
If you're hurting, I have no problem with you taking Tylenol
until it heals enough, the pain goes away.
Do you have a problem with that?
You know, the brain medication is the same thing.
You're trying to stabilize it so you can heal it.
You don't want to be there the rest of your life.
But then we don't want to be in heart medication
the rest of our life either. You know, kind of thing.
You want to stabilize it long enough
so you can get in front of it spiritually, get healed
and then you don't need the medicine anymore.
So I have no issue with that either.
Were you on any... you must have been on some meds.
Anybody who thinks they're God must have been taking some.
So I've been on prescriptions or street drugs in seventh grade
but now I'm three months of nothing.
I'm just taking vitamins.
Wow.
They didn't hear that. So let me say it.
You were on prescription stuff since you were in the seventh grade
but now you're totally free of all medication for three months.
Just going the holistic route. All vitamins and supplements.
Awesome. Awesome.
So, perfect example.
So the med... the... the...
Can I say one thing about the acute psychosis thing?
You can. Where'd the mic go?
Two are done with this conversation.
Maybe just hold on to the mic.
It's just stirring in my heart.
So I really do believe that acute psychosis
is the body's natural way of releasing trauma.
But what happens is friends, family, society, doctors
don't know what to do with you.
So they throw in your psych ward, shove pills down your throat
and then you get stuck of what you naturally needed to go through.
There has been some research where when people are in a...
in a delusion state hallucinating, if someone's with them,
two people with the person for 24...
with them 24 hours for like two weeks doesn't leave their side
because you, you know, can do some crazy stuff.
But they said that in two weeks usually the psychosis will surpass
and they can heal from it, but it doesn't happen too often
because everyone gets on medication, you know?
So now we'll answer your question. You can give that back to her.
Now we'll answer your question.
Why is it that people can have demons manifesting
and then when they give them drugs they quit?
I bet you have the answer for that now.
Or was that not the exact question?
Yes, that was the question and I was thinking about that
because I asked you that. And what came to my mind was
because the devil's sneaky and wants to make doctors think
that it's not always demonic warfare, that it's meant to illness.
That can be part of it.
The part to me is this, for any spirit in here
to manifest has to go through the brain.
All five senses, everything's connected with the brain.
So once you drug them, you shut down the access to the brain.
I mean even the person themselves is kind of...
Yeah, gone.
So it's behavior modification via you're not letting the brain function.
If you don't let the brain function, no spirit can access it.
And then that shuts it down.
But your answer is not wrong either.
It's a game.
Alright, now let's run the mic over.
Try it again.
So you addressed how there's...
You don't see any biblical basis for an individual to tackle a regional...
Do you have any?
No.
But I'm wondering if the same principle applies to holidays
because you hear it all the time, like,
oh, we were deemed, you know, like Halloween, for example.
But there's still yuck attached to that.
Individuals or even small groups of people,
is there any biblical basis for us redeeming?
For redeeming an evil holiday?
Of course, I'm kind of narrow-minded on this.
So not everybody's going to agree with this.
But I'm going to say I don't think so.
You know, there's people who try to take Halloween
and turn it into a safe environment for children
or a friendly environment for children.
And I have no issue with that if that's what...
If that's what they feel God asked them to do.
My approach is this, because they'll say,
well, we're not celebrating Halloween.
Then why are you doing it on October 31st?
Well, my children are just out in...
in whatever kind of costume.
It's not demonic, this, that, and the other.
And we're just having fun.
So we're not celebrating Halloween.
We'll do it on June 30th.
You know, put your costume on
and run around the neighborhood
in June 30th saying trick or treat.
See where that gets you.
You say, well, that wouldn't work.
That's my point exactly.
Because you're not celebrating Halloween on June 30th.
It's on October 31st.
And the very reason you use the word trick or treat
is to celebrate Halloween.
So the Catholic Church tried that.
They did it with almost every Christian holiday we have.
They slid, you know, they get pagans.
They got pagans saved by Crusades.
And that's not a bad way, I suppose.
Repent or die, you know.
I got the sword.
Either you're going to convert to the church
or we're killing you, you know.
So they bring in whole nations at a time.
And I can't say their motives were bad.
They're trying to save people, you know.
It's just an interesting approach.
But anyway, so you've got a whole nation of pagans coming in.
They're coming in with all their bad habits,
all their holidays, all their mess.
Every Christian holiday we have
has been slid beside a pagan holiday.
And the reason for it was to hopefully
sanctify the pagan holiday.
Like, November 1st is what?
All Saints' Day.
That was slid up beside Halloween.
Hopefully that people would quit celebrating Halloween
and start celebrating All Saints' Day.
I can't say it's a bad idea
and I can't say they had bad motives.
They're trying to help pagans find God.
Okay, here's the problem.
It didn't work.
Most people don't even know November 1st is All Saints' Day.
But everybody knows Halloween.
So how do you deal with that then?
Here's my stance, and here's where I'm narrow-minded.
I'm very unpopular for this.
Some things as Christians we need to learn to say no to.
We don't have to participate in everything
because everything's available.
Some things we need to say no.
I'm not doing that.
My opinion, Halloween is one of those.
And we can talk about I got a series on Halloween
and Christmas and Easter.
Well, I'm not giving up Resurrection Sunday.
Sorry.
Even though sometimes we celebrate it on the wrong day,
I'm not giving the concept up.
Jesus absolutely was not born in December.
He was born more than likely in September.
So the shepherds were still in the fields.
In December, in Israel, shepherds are not in the fields.
They're hunkered down because it's snowy and cold.
So it coincides with the different of the Jewish feasts.
But here's kind of an approach I take.
Some things are just Valentine's Day.
Really?
Have you ever researched Valentine's Day?
Cupid.
This fat angel.
Floats around and sticks you in the behind with an arrow
and now all of a sudden you're in love with somebody.
It's like research that sometime.
I think that's one that would be okay to just kind of say no to.
You know, it's Saint Valentine's Day.
Again, the Catholic Church tried to take a pagan holiday
and Christianize it.
And Christmas they did the same thing.
And there's certain things we need to say no to.
And then there's other holidays, my personal opinion.
I'm just tired of giving stuff that is of God away.
You know, I could celebrate Christmas in September.
That's okay.
But I'm just kind of tired of, yeah, I know it's messed up.
But I want to celebrate the birth of my Savior for one reason.
He was born of a virgin.
That needs to be shoved in the devil's face every year.
He was born of a virgin.
If he wasn't, we're all in deep trouble.
But he was born of a virgin.
He was the Son of God, not the Son of Joseph.
And I want to use the opportunity to do that.
So sometimes I just get tired of saying,
well, we're going to give that up because the devil screwed it up so bad.
Well, Christmas is really messed up.
But you know what?
I get tired of backing off everything.
I want to give gifts to my children.
I want to celebrate.
I want to be thankful for a son of God who was born of a virgin.
So everybody's got to decide in their own mind.
It's a hard issue.
And if you want to celebrate Christmas in September,
invite me over.
We'll have a good time.
That's fine. I have no problem with that.
I'm going to still go with the 25th of December,
even though I know it's wrong.
I know it's wrong.
But here's kind of my reasoning.
If Christians and the church don't take a stand for something,
the whole thing is going to be commercialized and become about Santa Claus.
And Jesus will disappear in the distance.
And we won't even know Christmas was about Jesus.
It'll all be about Santa Claus and gifts and all this goofiness.
But it's hard.
I hear your question.
It's hard because where do you draw the line?
And I say it's between you and God.
It's a hard issue.
Some things I think Christians need to say no to.
But I know Christians who take their...
I know Christians who come to this church who still take their children.
Trick or treating.
It's like, well, you know my stance?
You got to choose.
I'm not going to tell you how to live your life.
But I think that's one of those that we should just nix.
Our children have to learn how to say no to some things.
They have to.
And that's a good time to teach them how to say no.
You say, but it's so much fun they're missing out on.
We'll do something different.
You know, when our kids are growing up, we always did something special.
We pulled them out of school because that turned into a nightmare.
And they told us, you can't pull them out.
I said, watch us.
Watch, they won't show up.
What are you going to do about it?
Are you going to arrest us, throw us in jail?
Because we kept our kids out of school for two, three days?
No, they said, it's going that way.
But back then it's like, well, it's just not...
They should be here with their friends.
We don't want them here with their friends because of what you're celebrating.
So we take them, we go someplace, we leave the state.
We just go someplace.
Do something that was a memory for them and they wanted candy.
It was one of the only times of the year.
We go to the store and say, you know, back then with 10, 15 bucks, you could buy a whole bag full.
You know, here's 10 bucks.
Go trick or treating in the candy aisle.
You know, buy whatever you want kind of thing.
They loved it.
To my knowledge, none of them complained about missing the Halloween.
But that's one that's just...
If Christians can't teach their children to say no to some things,
their children are in deep trouble as they get older.
Because we just have to say no to some things.
Go ahead, Sally.
Well, about two and a half years ago,
Ken and I were in bed and all of a sudden,
it sounded like someone had a whole arm load of China
and dropped it on the floor right outside our bedroom door.
And I have dealt with things like this from the time I was a kid,
so I knew about some of this,
but he really didn't know about too much of it,
which was kind of an eye-opener.
So I'm laying there and I said, honey, did you hear that?
And he says, I heard it.
And I said, it was real, right?
And he said, yes.
I said, okay, this really makes me angry
because this house is not ours.
It belongs to God, the blood of Jesus.
I went through the whole thing. I was angry.
Stated your stance and who you are.
That was so ticked.
And so I'm going through...
I'm just having a hissy fit over the whole thing.
And he...
Your eyes were so big.
So we were going to lunch.
Jenny Roberts from Kenya was in town
and I was meeting and Ken was playing chauffeur
for Shelley and Jenny and I to go to lunch.
And so I thought, I don't want to bring this up,
but the things that Jenny has encountered,
I just casually brought up.
I said, we had an incident.
And I said, I'm just curious because I said it really angered me.
And I related it to it.
And Jenny says, oh, a night traveler.
And I said, huh?
She said, it was a night traveler.
So I did research on night travelers.
And I really, I knew that this was happening more.
Astral projection.
And that is what the other night, actually,
we had, I think, four visitors.
This was, what, a week ago tonight?
No.
It was before our meeting last week.
And I...
You must be becoming a threat to some...
You're becoming a threat to some coven or something.
You know, this happens.
And it's, it's really hard because I have dealt with things and I've handled them.
I mean, I've had a lot, trust me from the time I was little.
So it's not new to me, but it bugs me because to my knowledge,
and I pray this Lord, if anybody sees anything, if you see, let me know.
But I, so far it hasn't been, but this astral projection is a lot.
It is really, really coming now with other people,
and they don't know what it is they're dealing with.
Okay, so let me ask a couple of questions.
Was there anything outside your bedroom door?
Was there nothing there when you went?
There was nothing there.
We went to...
Okay.
The stuff that's happening now, what are you doing with it?
The night travelers?
Are you handling them?
What are you doing with?
What's happening?
Well, that happened, and it was me that had the experience.
I basically didn't realize, you know, there was anything there.
I woke up and I went to look at the clock, which is on our little cabinet.
Yep.
And all of a sudden as I looked, it was kind of like there was a screen there.
Okay.
And there were some little things moving around that were kind of goofy shaped.
Okay.
And I just kind of felt like, this isn't good.
So I just said, I start to take authority over it,
and say, you know, get out.
There's no dominion here.
Mm-hmm.
And as I said, at the screen left, but then I felt something like we're moving around in our bed.
And so I said it again.
Okay.
And did that.
And after the fourth time, I didn't sense any more.
Okay.
And that was...
We have, you know, obviously we just started with the basic.
We will talk about astral projecting.
I mentioned it that first night, but we haven't talked about it much.
That's a whole different cat.
They're not demons.
Those are humans.
I know.
And they have to be handled differently because many times they won't respond to the command in Jesus' name.
They're very much like...
They're not under...
Let me say it this way.
Demons are under our authority.
Humans are not.
You're not under my authority unless you willfully submit to me.
And I'm not under your authority unless I do the same.
So I have no authority over you other than what the legal law would give me.
And this is a spirit realm problem.
This isn't legal law, physical problem.
So the problem with astral projections is we have no authority over them.
And the thing that...
I didn't figure this out.
This is what was taught to me, and it works.
The thing that took me the longest to recognize is astral projections would come like a demon in a person.
And it wasn't a demon.
So they wouldn't respond to me.
They wouldn't respond to taking authority over them, casting them out, commanding them to be quiet, any of that stuff.
They just laugh and sneer until I finally figured out, oh, this is not a demon.
This is an astral projection.
So then I got some information on that.
And this works consistently.
You speak to them. They can hear you.
They know you're there. You know they're there.
You speak to them.
Now astral projection is operating under the power of Old Testament. We would call it witchcraft.
Okay?
If anybody's got better experience than this, help me out. I'm open to suggestions.
But the thing that I was taught, that works.
Is you speak to them and you give them the opportunity to redeem themselves.
You know, you can be saved because they're a human being.
You can be saved.
God loves you, but you're trespassing.
You don't belong here. You don't have the right here. This is not your house.
This is our house.
And you have no right or authority here.
So I am going to suggest you stay out of here, because this is ours.
And if you come back, you know you're operating in a form of witchcraft.
And the scripture says, suffer a witch, not to live. I'll kill you.
Literally. Now God has to do it.
But I'll sever your silver cord.
And that's what I'll tell them.
I'll sever your silver cord with the word of my mouth.
I'll sever your silver cord. You'll never get back to your body.
Your body will die of drugs, whatever is going on now.
Your body will die of a heart attack.
Your body will die of a brain hemorrhage, whatever.
But the reason it died is because you came here and you shouldn't have been here.
And I cut your silver cord. You're not going back.
You would be amazed how well that works.
Why have we done to attract this?
I don't know. The only thing I know.
I didn't deal with astral projections until I became a threat to local covens.
Because there's covens all over. There's covens all around us.
I know. I have been with them.
And until I became a threat to them, until Mary and I became a threat to them,
and their little kingdom and their little establishment, they left us alone.
Once we became a threat to them.
In other words, we're doing things in the spirit realm.
We're doing things spiritually that is impeding their progress.
Now they will fight back.
So that's when they showed up and started showing up.
Yeah. Like I say, when I woke up it was just...
I wanted to look at the clock.
But all of a sudden I had the feeling like there's people here.
There's bodies here. There's something here.
It feels different than a demon, don't it?
And it was just like they were watching TV or some program.
Give the mic to Sally.
Give the mic to Sally so it gets on recording.
What?
It sat on the edge of your bed, you said?
Well, this was a while back.
I could tell when he moves around, and he can tell when I move around,
but this was kind of weird because neither of us were moving around.
And there was a demon sitting on the corner of our bed.
And I thought, this angered me so badly
because I didn't know how to deal with it.
The demons I've dealt with, I mean, I'm not going good girl.
You're so smart, but I mean, you know...
You had some experience.
This will feel like a person.
It was. That was a dimension. It was a different thing.
Somehow they have ability to interact in the physical realm,
even though they're not there with their body, they're there in spirit.
I don't know why this is. The first time I encountered one,
I walked into a room that had no activity going on whatsoever,
except that was back in the days when we used to do the hanging lights in the corners.
That baby was just...
And I felt... I walked in there, and I was like,
who is in here? You could feel a person.
And I thought, it's demons.
So I took authority over this, that, and the other,
and that was how I got introduced to it.
That was my first introduction to an astral projection,
is a swinging light, evil in the place that would not leave.
That does work though. You speak the gospel to them,
and give them the warning, and tell them if you come back.
Well, now you're armed. Now we have something to use against them.
We get visited by them every so often.
Well, you know, Jenny, when she went to Kenya,
she built her complex there, and she didn't know what in the world.
She built it right on which doctor's sacrifice area.
That's where the Lord led her.
Well now, you know, they have such a big compound.
Time to take some ground back.
She just says it to me like, oh, a night traveler.
Like, you know, this is nothing, and I thought, well, hold it.
So, you know, she just looked at it.
That's funny. That's how God would do it.
You see that spot there? I want that back.
Go build your complex there. That's funny.
I had something to say about that.
So I have astral projected.
Oh, you've done it? Yes, I've done it.
And it wasn't in witchcraft.
Like, I didn't know at the time, you know, I was just...
When I was younger, it's been happening to me my whole entire life.
Without me even trying it, like I would just wake up and...
Be out of your body? Yeah.
I know other people have had the same thing.
That's usually from ancestral sin, generational stuff.
That's good to know.
So when I was 16, I practiced it to understand it more.
And it can just be somebody doing the same thing that I was doing.
Just experimenting, trying to figure out, you know, find the answers.
So they're not necessarily always going to be there to hurt you, is my point.
But if you chase them out and tell them, you know, give them the gospel.
And give them the choice.
And you just go back to their body. You know what I mean?
I just want you to be where it might not be somebody who's trying to hurt you.
It could just be somebody exploring and trying to figure things out.
How do you say that?
There is out in Edina or somewhere, and they're releasing a lot of this.
There's a lot of activity going on from there.
Oh really? Yeah.
News to me.
The last time I did it, I was transported into a realm where the being who ruled that realm
spoke to me, told me its name.
Never did it again.
Yeah, I was going to suggest you probably want to stop doing that.
Never do it again.
Now you can stop it.
Usually it happens unwillingly, like you said.
I had no control over it. It just happened.
That you can stop that by dealing with generational stuff.
Generational sin will stop that.
But yeah, that happens.
And it's innocent.
I had another, what was I going to say?
I was going to say something regarding that, and now I lost it.
If it comes back, I'll bring it back up.
Go ahead.
So I know that you and I had a previous conversation, but if I remember correctly,
parents have that legal authority over their children,
if there's stuff going on with them.
The younger, the more authority you have.
Okay.
So if there was a situation where an adult has another like guardianship
or other legal rights over another adult, does that apply less?
Is there any authority in that situation?
There is some authority there, not like a parent to a child.
Okay.
But there is some authority there, especially if they willfully submitted themself.
It's the authority principle of,
I have authority as your pastor if you submit to me as your pastor.
So that gives me some authority.
It gives me authority to pray with you with more power.
It gives me authority to, if the Lord shows some things to me about your life
that where the devil is trying to get you or whatever,
demonic forces shouldn't say devil, where the demonic force is trying to get you.
I have more authority because you gave it to me.
It's the same thing there.
There is some spiritual authority that goes with it.
Not as strong as parental, but there is some that goes with it.
Okay.
Thank you.
And a couple of this direction.
We're past nine, but we can go a little bit longer.
Would lucid dreaming be the same as astral projecting?
Describe what you mean by lucid dreaming.
Like when I was a kid, I used to be in school and I'm Pinterest
and they would talk about how you can control what you do in your dreams.
Oh, no.
Or is that like...
It's a whole different thing.
Okay.
Yeah.
Astral projecting is when your spirit leaves your body.
According to the book of Ecclesiastes.
Well, the first time I heard it was...
I mean, even in the secular world, they'll talk about the silver cord.
Because I've never seen it.
Oh, now I remember what I was going to say.
Anyway, let's finish this.
Did you see your own silver cord?
There is a...
I want them to describe it because I've had it described to me.
Abby, could you run the mic back over?
I've had it described to me.
What did it look like to you, your silver cord?
It literally is a silver cord.
It's attached to your belly button.
And it just goes off into heaven.
Yeah.
Okay.
How big is it?
It's like an umbilical cord.
Okay.
About that size?
Yeah.
That's what I saw.
Because even in the secular world, because that's what you see,
someone who doesn't know anything about God,
anything about the word,
if they come out of their body that way,
they'll see their own silver cord.
And they know it attaches them to their body.
And the more you practice, the further out you can get.
To begin with, you just come out a little bit
and then you got to work on that to be able to go further.
So it kind of stretches.
But in Ecclesiastes, it talks about cutting the silver cord
and putting an end to...
Solomon knew about this stuff.
He knew about night travelers.
And interestingly enough, even in the Old Testament,
they had enough authority in God
to stop night travelers or astral projectionists.
And they knew how to do it.
Cut the silver cord.
Of course God had told them, don't let a witch live.
Kill them.
So maybe that was the source of authority or whatever,
but it's interesting.
But now, here was my thought that I forgot to say before
and came back to me.
Do you know what astral projection is a...
it's the copy of?
The witch is on the broom.
No, that's part of it.
That's part of it.
I'm talking about in God's side.
God came up with this first
and then the kingdom of darkness took it and perverted it.
What did God come up with that they're trying to pervert?
Nope, he was bodily transported.
He went with his whole body.
Was it the transfiguration?
Nope.
Just trying to get you to think.
Is there any place where God pulls anybody out of their body?
The rapture.
Nope.
Paul?
Paul had it happen.
When he was taken to heaven?
Yeah.
Oh, Enoch.
Enoch was raptured.
There's different people who have had,
they call them out of body experiences
where people are taken to heaven.
Right.
Jesse DePlanus had it.
Brother Hagen had it.
Well, their body is on earth still alive,
being kept alive by the Holy Spirit
because their spirit's gone elsewhere
and without the spirit the body is dead,
the scripture says.
So you have to have a spirit
and they're keeping it alive.
But our being able to go to being pulled,
I had it happen to me where
out of my body and I was in heaven
and Jesus talked to me and came back to my body,
astral projection is the counterfeit of that.
It's to pull you out of your body
and let you do things, put you back in.
So it's the counterfeit of that.
But, yeah, so it's again, it's God's,
the devil can't come up with anything new.
He can only take what God does and pervert it.
So when God creates or invents something,
he'll grab it and try to pervert it.
And that's what astral projection is.
But you're not dealing with demons. You're dealing with humans.
And they don't respond the same.
And they're very arrogant.
Not the innocent ones.
Because I dealt with an innocent one.
Didn't I bring...
I think I brought that up the first night
when I was sharing some of my experiences.
The one girl.
The teenage girl. She just got saved.
Came out of a really rough family.
Just got saved.
She was there one Sunday night.
She was hard after trying to live for God.
And after service, you know,
like here people come up and ask questions.
Talked to me. She came up and she said,
is it normal for a Christian to be able
to come out of their body and float around
during a service?
Is this a spiritual experience?
And I'm going, tell me what happened.
You know, so she did.
She said, and that guy over there,
he was reading this book.
He wouldn't pay any attention to what you were doing.
And she had floated around the whole room
from above just kind of watching everybody's doing.
She said, and finally I got tired of it.
And I tried to get back to my body.
And I kind of swam in the air, you know.
And she said, eventually somehow I got back.
She said, is that normal?
So it was innocent, like you.
It was innocent.
But it was her sister driving her out.
Her sister was in witchcraft.
And her sister was driving her out.
So can you only do it if you're doing witchcraft?
Well, demon Satan worship probably do the same thing.
Have you ever heard of it before?
Yeah.
So it can happen innocently,
but there's always some power of sin behind it.
It does not happen unless there's some power of sin forcing us.
Oh, you did?
Yeah, that might be part of it too.
But anyway, so yeah, it's, you know,
we had an awesome service tonight.
We all got out of our bodies and went traveling around the sanctuary
looking at each other.
It's like, no, it's probably not normal.
We should deal with this.
But that was an innocent one.
You know, she wasn't intending to do this.
And she was thinking, well, maybe this is a spiritual experience
that I know nothing of.
And it's like, well, it is, but it's not from our side.
So anyway, go ahead, Dominic.
So like, so what you were talking about,
about how people can like get pulled up to heaven
and like the astral projection.
So like when people like they're still alive,
but they go down to hell, is that astral projection
or is God like keeping their body alive
but sending them down for a testimony or what?
Are these people Christians who come back
and try to warn people from going?
Or are these people unsaved?
Saved and unsaved.
Because they went to hell?
Yeah, like they didn't die or anything?
I've read of both where they died and came back to life.
And I've read also of like Mary Kay Baxter.
She's got a good book about over a 40-day period of time
where Jesus took her to hell.
She was there in spirit. She wasn't there in bodies.
So the Holy Spirit keeps us alive when it's of God's kingdom.
When it's of the devil's kingdom,
it's demons that keep us alive.
Keep the body alive while we're gone.
But to answer your question,
if it's from God's side,
he's trying to get them to not go there.
He's trying to use them for a testimony.
He's trying to help them to see don't do this.
I have not read much of anything.
In fact, I've not read anything of someone who's unsaved
who went to hell while their body was alive.
There's a reason for that.
Anybody guess what that is?
Let's say you're unsaved and you get to see hell.
When you get back to your body,
you're going to get saved.
That is not a place that anybody wants to go to.
Saved or unsaved.
Once they see it's real, they'll get saved.
So I don't think the devil kind of encourages that.
Hey, let's take you down.
I'll show you what your future is.
They're going to come back and say,
I'm getting out of this future.
I'm not doing this.
So anyway, yeah.
So it mostly be God.
Got another question?
Are you done?
Question here.
Did somebody else have one?
We're coming to you.
We better end here pretty quick.
Just real quick.
I wanted to make a comment on when you deliver somebody,
you're saying, you know,
if you take too many out, they'll come back.
When we went out and seen Daniel Adams,
he said, you always fill them with the Holy Spirit.
Yeah.
But they have to maintain that.
Ephesians says, be filled.
And the word in the Greek,
there is a constant daily filling.
But you're absolutely right.
You always, you always pray that the Holy Spirit
fills that spiritual void, that spiritual cavity.
And I always pray that the blood of Jesus
protects them and surrounds them.
But once they're out the door,
they've got to maintain that.
And if you don't take too much out, they can.
It works.
But I've seen it go the other way.
Anybody else have a question?
Up in the sound booth we have one.
We'll do these last two questions and we're done.
When you went to heaven, did you see any kind of a chord
in that experience?
Nope. I did not.
Of course, I never looked back.
It was the oddest thing.
I should share that sometime.
It was the oddest thing.
I popped up out of the ground
when I went there.
I just came up out of the ground
and I was this far out.
And I was looking around going,
what is this?
And then Jesus came and as He came
I came up and out.
And went from there.
But no, I never looked back
and when it was done I was just back in my body.
In fact, I could sense my body the whole time.
I could feel it.
And if I had got determined to end that thing
I could have went right back.
I was not forced to stay there.
I knew I was attached to my body
or I could feel my body
and I could go right back to it
at any point I decided to.
I was awake.
Wait until you get the mic.
Go ahead.
I was just like, I just had a thought
where why potentially
you wouldn't have a silver cord
is because Holy Spirit is omnipresent
and demons aren't.
There has to be some attachment.
And then again, maybe I had one.
I just wasn't seeing it.
I'm just like, oh, that's a potential.
But I have read of other people
and heard their stories
and I don't know of any Christian
who has been an out-of-body experience
gone to heaven
who has ever said they felt their silver cord
or saw it.
I don't know of any of them.
They were just there.
Paul doesn't talk about it
in his out-of-body experience.
So you might be right.
I was just...
Yeah, good thought.
Go ahead, Kevin.
Question on the...
You were talking about the transfer of spirits
with the laying on of hands
and go to the services
where everybody's laying on hands and everything.
Can you address how that is different
than what we do here
on some worship services
and prayer times when you or Mary say,
put your hands on the person to your right
and bless them
and pray for them
and then turn to the one on the left.
How is that different than just the random hands?
To my knowledge, there's only one thing
that differentiates that.
Is I have a standing agreement with God
that any praying for anybody here,
me to them, them to me, or to each other,
there will be no transferring of anything
except it be from God's kingdom.
I have a standing prayer, standing agreement.
I call that by faith regularly.
We can commend that.
Yes, it is something we can commend.
The problem is we have to be aware of it.
And I've heard of the guy who helped mentor me.
He would run into people from,
if I'd mentioned the minister's conference
that they were at, you'd all go,
couldn't have happened there.
And yet he'd get people that would show up
and say, ever since I went to this conference,
I am tormented.
And he said, well, what happened there?
Well, it was nice conference and speaking
and praying and nothing.
He said, did anybody lay hands on you?
Well, the one I'm remembering is they said,
well, it was to end the conference.
To end the conference, let's all just
grab on and we'll all pray for each other
unitedly.
He said, that's where you got it, right there.
He said, you picked up a spirit right there
and it lodged in you and you brought it home
and now it's bound determined.
He said, this is simple.
He said, I know what it is and where it came from.
He said, so he said, I just addressed it.
He said, this is who you are.
Up it came.
Talked all God's language.
Oh, this is such a wonderful lady
and she is going to be used for God
so greatly and blah, blah, blah.
It was a religious spirit to the core.
Talked all the language.
Finally he said, you are a demon.
You are not of my kingdom
and you got in here and you need to leave.
Well, now talk a little different language
because when you get them angry
and they get found out
then they always cuss at you.
Blankety, blankety.
He said, just get out.
And he said the lady had already repented
for doing something. It was an ignorance.
She didn't know.
And it left and then he told her.
He said, if you're going to lay hands on
either make sure you're protected
or don't lay hands on.
Don't just let any yahoo come along
and lay hands on you
because when we're
believing for a transfer
of spiritual power
whatever is in them
may decide to piggyback
and it's not being filtered out.
So yes, to answer that question
there is a difference with what we do
and there's only one.
It's because Mary and I know that's how it works
and we are in agreement it will never
happen here or at TBO
ever. Period.
So we're binding it. We're saying no to it.
Saying yes to everything God wants to do.
You have at it.
But anything or the other kingdom
absolutely no.
So that would be why it says
don't just suddenly lay hands on someone
and pray for them.
I believe so.
Okay, that would make sense.
I have kind of a more like a question
so I encountered a situation
and I just didn't know how to handle it.
I just had some woman just be like
she's like you know
I will only tell you this right
and she was telling me about how she was in a park
and all of a sudden
she felt this being next to her right
and she's like okay who are you
and she's like give me three signs whatever
and she was like I think it was my mom
and I'm in my head I'm like that ain't your mama
that's not your mama
like she's ever in heaven
or she's in hell right now
like there's one or the other.
That's what I said actually
because I was like so this is what I said
because she's like then
this thing pushed me on the swings
and she's like it was really nice
and I was like yep this is my mom
and she's like but then it pushed me too hard
and then I was like nope can't be my mom
would never do that and I was like okay number one
I was like your mom is not
on earth walking around
she's either in heaven or in hell
we had to go over that a couple times
and I was like that was probably
something called a familiar spirit
where it's been in your generations
she's like well I'm scared
like I'm scared you know
and I was like
here's the thing
she also has like some mental illness problems
but she also I know
No, that's why like when we were talking about that, I had a question there, but then I was like running around, right?
Um, and I, here's the thing is like, she's a lesbian, like she, she has sin, right? She has ground for these demons to come in. She's full of fear, right?
And it's like, how do you, how do you help that person? And because then I was like...
She saved. Do you know if she saved?
See, here's the thing. She, she did accept Christ at TBO, but...
Help her grow. That would be my first...
I don't have contact with her anymore.
Okay. That would be my first thing to answer the question. What do you do? Help them grow.
So what I said to her is, well, the truth is, is that Jesus is the name above every other name, no matter what.
I can't fight this for you, but I do know that you can read the word of God, which is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword.
And it will come in and divide you out.
And I was like, and as you're praying and saying, like, and I was told to like read the Bible, like, you know, that's, that's your sword.
You don't read your Bible. You can't fight. That's just the truth of it.
And I was encouraging her in that space.
And then I was like, I had offered to pray with her, but then, you know, she changed subject, which is weird, but whatever.
And I just didn't know what to do after that because you hit half of it.
What do you do?
The other half that I would do. And if you want to add anything to this, Mayor, the other half that I would do is encourage her not to invite or talk to an invisible being that she can sense is there or feel is there, whatever.
Let's leave that alone. Let's grow. Let's develop. Let's become more solid as a Christian.
Then we'll start going with talking to the Holy Spirit or things like that.
But right up front, just kind of let that go.
You want to add anything to that or is that it?
Okay.
Because yeah, she needs to separate herself from engaging, welcoming.
I don't have contact with her anymore.
Well, if she comes back around, you'll have another chance.
All right, we're way over time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for spending some time here. We'll talk to you again.