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Let's jump right in. Let me touch a couple of things that we had last week and then we'll

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open up for questions for you. We got talking about tattoos a bit last week and I wanted

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to give you some scripture on it. So if you want to make notes on this, you can. Otherwise,

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you can just follow me along and I'll just give them to you. The main one that is used

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against tattooing or marking yourself for the dead is Leviticus 1928. And if he says, do

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not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves, I am the Lord. So we

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talked about that some. I wanted to address, give you some other scriptures because I said,

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well, God does do some tattooing and so forth. So let me just give those to you. Genesis 4.15.

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So the whole concept of tattooing or marking yourself, the scripture goes either way.

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Depending upon what translation you read, it calls it a mark, calls it a tattoo. Of course,

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a permanent mark is like a tattoo, you know, however it was put there. So that whole concept

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came from God. Now, the devil is taking it just like he takes everything God comes up with and

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perverts it, tries to twist it. But the first place we find marking is when God marked Cain.

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After Cain killed Abel, God marked him or tattooed him so that he would always be

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recognized by anybody who looks at him. Well, what did he have? He had a tattoo,

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he had a mark as some kind. That was really obvious. It marked him as what he was, an evil man.

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But God came up with the idea of marking him. And it evidently was not a sin to mark him or

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God couldn't have done it. Remember, I said this last week, this is dirt. It is the temple

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of the Holy Spirit. So it needs to be handled in a holy, God honoring manner. But it's still dirt.

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There are things we do to dress up our dirt. And that's okay.

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There's things we do to try to get rid of its foul odor. Like take a shower and use the odorant.

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And that's okay. I see that the whole thing comes back to the heart. Why you're doing a tattoo?

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But I see it as just dressing up your dirt. If you're doing it the right way.

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Because the concept is not demonic, the concept is from God.

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Just like, if you haven't read my book yet, I'll just throw this in for free,

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just like giving a woman a writing of divorce and not just putting her away,

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but divorcing her and giving the written papers of divorce. God came up with that idea.

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That is not demonic. The devil did not come up with that. God came up with that.

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Because it's the way to set someone free to go on live their life.

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Because what they were doing was they had, remember in the Old Testament,

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they could have multiple partners, multiple wives, and they'd get tired of one and marry another one.

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And the previous one became the slave or the workhorse for the family. Couldn't get out of

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it. They became Cinderella many times, so to speak. And they were trapped. They couldn't get out of it.

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That's called putting away. God hates putting away. And when you look it up in the King

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James, God does not hate divorce, God is divorced. In case you forgot that, God is divorced.

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But God hates putting away.

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He said he divorced Israel and gave her a writing of divorcement or gave her the papers.

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I don't know what that looked like, but he followed his own system when he dealt with that.

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He came up with that. God came up with tattoos or markings that would identify us

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in certain ways. Now the devil takes that and perverts that, but God came up with it. I just

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wanted you to notice that. Isaiah 44 verse 5. This is where God has his people imprinted on his

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hands. And one of the translations I read, let me just go there just for the fun of it and see

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if it was the amplified. Isaiah 44 verse 5. I am the Lord's and another will call himself

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by the name of Jacob. Another will write even brand or tattoo upon his hand. I am the Lord's,

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the surname himself, an honorable name of Israel. Nope, it's not the one.

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This is talking about people who are serving God. It must be the next verse. So let's

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deal with this one and go to the next one. This is talking about people serving God and marking

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themselves as a servant of God. Now what that comes out of history-wise is in Mesopotamia,

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which is the oldest civilization on earth. And Egypt comes out of that. It's that whole region

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over there. One of the things they used to do is they used to tattoo or mark their servants

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many times with a picture or a symbol of the God they serve. So God did not care for that. That's

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like no. But here we've got Israelites marking themselves as servants of God, tattooing themselves

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as servants of God. And that's fine. Another will write even brand or tattoo upon his hand.

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I am the Lord's and surname himself by the honorable name of Israel. So they put on their

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hand or someplace they put a tattoo says I am the Lord's and then put one of his names there.

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Mark it right in. He's good with that. But marking yourself after a false God,

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he's not good with that. The one I was looking for was 4916. This is where God

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has people tattooed marked on his own hands. Behold, I have indelibly,

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indelibly, this is not a passing thing, indelibly imprinted, tattooed. Now notice this,

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I hadn't caught this before, tattooed a picture of you on the palm of each of my hands.

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See, I was pretty impressed that he could get all the people who are his people

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get their name on his hands. According to the amplified, it's not our name, it's our picture.

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He looks at his hands and he sees you, not your name, he sees you.

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Well, that's intense. And it's indelibly, indelibly means you can't get rid of it. It's there.

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It's like, wow. This is a questionable one. I've had people ask the question on this one. Galatians

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617, Paul says he carries the marks, that's the word used for tattoo, the marks of the gospel

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on his body. You know, he was stoned, he was whipped, he was all kinds of stuff. And those

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were marks of the gospel. Paul said, I carry in my body marks of the gospel.

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Were they tattoos? No, I don't know, you figure it out. Because remember, all tattoos weren't done

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with ink because ink is a fairly recent thing. They were done by cutting and marking. Well,

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when you're whipped, you get cut, you get marked. So that's why Paul was saying,

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I carry tattoos for the gospel. You want to see him? You imagine how he looked?

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The number of times he was whipped, beaten with rods,

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stoned. His body must have looked pretty rough.

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But he says, those are marks, or you can use the word tattoos of the gospel.

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Revelation 14-1, God tattoos the 144,000. That until it's their time, they can't be touched.

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Again, a visible thing that everybody can see. He marks them.

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This is them. And until it's their time, they're going to be witnesses and you can't touch them.

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Nobody can touch them to kill them kind of thing. They're marked. And in Revelation 19-16,

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let's just go there. I want to read that one. On his garment, speaking of Jesus, are on his robe

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and on his thigh. I'm reading the amplified. He has a name, a title inscribed.

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So now notice, he separates the garment from the thigh. It doesn't just say, and on his garment,

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it says on his robe, or on his garment, and on his thigh, it says king of kings and lord of lords.

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What's the tattoo? It might even be embroidered on the garment. But somehow it's written into

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his thigh. He is the king of kings and he is the lord of lords.

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So going all the way back to the beginning of Genesis, tattoos in and of themselves are not evil or

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wrong. This whole thing goes back to the heart again. And why are we doing this? What are we

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doing? What are we doing it for? They're not evil in and of themselves. But like anything else,

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you can have a TV and it's not evil. It's neutral. Depending upon what you use it for,

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it can be used very evil though. So it's like everything else. It comes back to the heart of

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the person. So I think that kind of covers that. We had one, Ted brought up something that he had

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heard, and I didn't respond to it because I never thought of it. And when I haven't never

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thought it, it's brand new to me. I don't like to stick my neck out too far in case

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it gets in a noose. So I wait and process it a little bit. He had brought up the concept of

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he had heard someone say some place along the line that a tattoo was a form of a blood covenant

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because you draw blood when you put it in. And it's like I've never thought of that before.

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But going back and looking at how a blood covenant is made and the intent of me giving

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my life to you and your life to me, and we are becoming one, and that intent has to be done in

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front of witnesses. It has to be done publicly. It's a blood covenant is a whole different thing.

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If someone draws blood from me and I'm in a covenant with them now, I'm in covenant with

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the doctor who worked on my arm. I'm in covenant with the dentists who've worked on my teeth.

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I'm in covenant with the teacher who cleaned up my bloody knee when I was a little kid.

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I'm going to come from the other direction and say I don't think it is. I don't think it's a blood

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covenant. But it's a good question. All good questions. So if we can get somebody to run

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the mics, we will open for questions and see what we can talk about tonight.

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Did we cover that part of the booklet thoroughly enough that now as you read through it, you can

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say, yeah, I can get them off of me. I can get them out of my house. I can clean up my life

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from any kind of demonic stuff coming against me. Do you feel how would you say

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prepared? Equipped. You got the tools to do it. Now, we'll still walk alongside of you and

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help you. If you run into a problem you need some help with, we'll be glad to run alongside

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of you and help you. But at the same token, we also want you to grow and learn how to do it so

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you can be of a help to other. Go for it. Okay, my question is, you know my living situation.

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So there's people in there that are not saved and they have

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disabilities, things like that. I can definitely feel it. And I feel like that's like another

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part-time job as well. Walking through and clearing it. I've been given authority to do

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the property and all that stuff. Is that just something I'm just going to have to battle?

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Because you moved in with it. Or it moved in with you. Let me take it a level deeper.

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So you're living in a situation with random people who are

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under the same roof, under the same household. Household is big when it comes to spiritual

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things. I don't understand it fully, but household is big. Now you can live in an

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apartment building and the person next to you and their apartment running drugs and

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doing all kinds of stuff and it doesn't affect you at all. But if you're under the same household,

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somehow that opens the door differently. And scripture talks about it.

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But now to take that a level deeper, you know how frustrated you get with

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the opposition? You can feel it. You know how frustrated you get with that?

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What if you were married to it? And that's why you're not anymore.

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See, that's why God says, do not be unequally helped. Because what do you do

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when you're joined in spirit to someone whose temple is full of garbage? And you're living with it

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24 seven and not only living with it as a woman, most of the time these situations,

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they're trying to rule you. You know, they're trying to tell you what you can do and what you

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can't do and how you can serve God and how you won't serve God. And if it comes a nightmare,

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but yet at the same token as long as it's possible to stay with them, Paul says stay with

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them because there's a realm of sanctification that comes to them. If you can hang in there

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and stay with them. But sometimes it gets some nasty you can't. You just got to do what you

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got to do. But that, yeah, if you're... when we did foster care years ago,

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one of the... before we started, I said, Lord, what are the things we need to know before we

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move this stuff in? And the first thing and main thing he told me, he said, never lose the

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peace of your home. If you lose the peace of your home, you have to... you have to deal with

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that. Never lose the peace of your home. So yeah, when they get in the same household,

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that affects you. Go ahead. You're talking about eyes and seeing the different things you saw.

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Have you ever seen where they jiggle? Both eyes kind of in unison will go like that.

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That can be a nerve response, but it also can be spiritual.

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But it can be a nerve response. If you're praying over them and all of a sudden it's going at you,

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chances are it's probably spiritual, but it still can be.

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Depending upon, then I'd stop and I'd say, how do you feel right now? Are you uptight?

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Are you nervous? Do you feel anxious? Are you afraid?

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Is there anything stimulating their nervous system that could cause that?

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And if they're very peaceful and calm, then it's probably spiritual.

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If they're like, yeah, I'm freaking out right now. I don't know what to think.

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My mind's just racing. It could be nerve related.

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Alright, the other thing was when you're talking about praying and addressing things for the region.

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I know I read some things from a book by John Paul Jackson.

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And he talked about that, but he talked about also like when people do that,

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that they can actually allow things to come on them.

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Oh, I've never read the book. I don't know. I've never had experience in that realm,

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so I can't really answer that one. Got a question up there and one over there.

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So yeah, I don't know what to say to that.

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I could take a stab at it, be totally wrong, so I just won't stab.

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What kind of spirits do you feel are over Princeton?

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Poverty? Oh, okay, I'll wait.

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You want to add something to that or you want to give advice here?

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Give them the mic. So it gets on the recording.

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I was wondering if maybe we could take a week to practice sensing that

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and then talk about that next week and see, just give us a chance to figure it out for ourselves

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and then see if... How many want to do that? Let's do that. Good idea.

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So we're not, I can tell you separately alone if you want to afterwards,

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if you really want to know the answer what I think now.

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So yeah, we can talk about that.

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Okay, I have a crazy testimony story.

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So when I asked this, I give you guys permission to kind of laugh with me.

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Yeah, she talked to me about this and I said share your story and then we'll go to the question.

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So long story short, I've always been a Christian.

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My dad was a pastor in our church burned down when I was in seventh grade and then my mom left.

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And so that's kind of where my trauma starts from is abandonment from my mom

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and not getting what I needed from my, both my parents.

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So I got into drugs, meth and heroin.

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And the first time I went to the psych ward in 2011.

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So my question was to him, how do you decipher between mental illness in demonic possession?

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So when I went to the psych ward, it was because I thought I was God.

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And when I get there, my roommate was Virgin Mary, King Solomon was there.

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The antichrist was there.

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Gabriel the angel was there and Michael also the archangel was there.

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These were all in people?

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Yes.

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And we all knew who each other were.

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It was very, very strange.

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And I was there for three months and people were coming and going, coming and going.

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And one thing that we all had in common was that we all knew who each other were.

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And we felt our mission was to warn people that Jesus is returning soon.

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So then a couple months later, I go back to the hospital this time.

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I don't think I'm God.

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I feel like God's working through me.

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And so I asked the doctor that I was seeing, the psych doctor.

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And I said, everyone here on this unit is experiencing...

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I was there for three months, so I seen a lot of people coming and going.

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And they were all experiencing spiritual stuff.

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And so I asked her, don't you doctors think that some type of phenomenon is going on?

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Don't you guys want to do a study that we're all experiencing something spiritually

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that we're seeing demons or angels or we're Bible characters?

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Don't you want to know what's really going on?

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And she said, if it really was demons, then how come when we give you guys medication, they go away?

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So that's kind of what my question was to him, is how do you decide between mental illness and demon possession?

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Really good question and something we're dealing with more and more and more and more and more now is mental illness.

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So I don't know if I have a good answer for this.

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We are going to talk about it some in the future.

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Because we have so much mental illness now, it's sometimes mistaken for demons.

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Let me say it this way.

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If you're mentally ill, there's probably critters there helping enhance that.

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So if you're mentally ill, you are likely have some form of demonic activity going on.

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But someone with demonic activity is not necessarily mentally ill.

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They can be very healthy in their mind and have demonic activity.

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How can you tell the difference? It's really, really hard.

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Because many times mentally ill people like your story, that's why I asked her to share that, because that's a really good example.

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They see things, they hear things, they think things, and to them, like to you, that was real.

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Yeah, it was real.

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But you probably, even at that point, weren't God, you know?

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But to you, it was very real.

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And so you were seeing manifestations of things, and things were happening. Were you hearing voices?

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No, never heard any voices. The second time I went in, when I didn't think I was God, but God was working through me.

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I would pray for people, and their demons would come out, and I know this is really weird and gross.

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But I'd have to hug a Lugi, and so every time I would pray for someone.

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And it was really weird because I think one of the nurses...

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This should be on the recording. Who's got the mic? Can we bring that back?

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Oh, Jersey!

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Well, it's real, though. There are people who have all kinds of stuff when demons come out, from throwing up to everything else.

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Yeah, so the second time I went in, when I felt like God was working through me, I would pray for people.

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And I would have to...

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The nurse that... I don't know if he... I think he would...

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Looking back, I think he was a Christian, and I really think he probably felt kind of the way...

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A lot of people with mental illness, and so he obviously knew there was some demonic stuff going on.

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And so when I would pray for people, I would have to spit, and then they would be better.

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It was so weird. It was like 10 years ago, but I have so many different stories of...

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But that felt so real.

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It felt so real. And then there were times where we did have a Bible on the unit, and we were already in the Bible holding hands praying.

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Because a lot of people had to go to court because they got committed.

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And so we got in trouble for praying, and we had to be separated.

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It was just crazy of the stuff that goes on there of...

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They do not want people to touch each other, hug each other, pray for each other.

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It's really sad what goes on behind closed doors at psych wards.

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I mean, I felt like I was in prison, you know.

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And I was there for three months, like I said, and I asked the doctor, because I wasn't suicidal or harming anyone.

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And so it was really weird to me that people come in with that are suicidal, and they're only there for 72 hours.

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And I asked the doctor, I'm like, how come I'm here for three months?

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And all these people are trying to kill themselves, and they're just here for 72 hours.

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And his answer was, because you have good insurance.

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Proper truth to that.

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Or, but now looking back, hopefully I did help people.

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Like I did, you know, even though I was kind of woohoo, but, you know, I was witnessing to people, so maybe that's why, I don't know.

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So yeah, it's mental illness is a whole different animal to deal with.

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And the problem is, again, it goes back to, how can I explain this as it makes sense to me?

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Everything we do in life is by faith.

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Everything.

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So to guard our hearts, talked about in Proverbs 4, talked about in Philippians 4,

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we have to guard our heart with all diligence. That's done by faith.

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Mentally ill people don't know how to do that. Many times they're not capable.

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I mean, you can teach them, you can show them how to do it, and they don't know how to do it.

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Because they're so wrapped up in their mental illness, it just kind of overwhelms them.

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And everything you said, they never do.

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It is a disservice to them to cast too many demons out.

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Because they will become a landing pad, it just gets worse and worse and worse.

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Because what happens is, especially if the demon has given the ability to roam,

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it will come back around and look into their temple.

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And when it sees they're not occupying it or holding their ground,

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it will get seven more evil than itself and they will move in.

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Well, now you've done them a huge injustice.

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So the whole balancing thing with mental illness is really an individual by individual case.

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And it's something that I'm still learning and struggling with,

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because it's becoming such a recent epidemic.

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How far do you go?

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Because you give them... I've always said deliverance is actually like peeling an onion.

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And I get this picture out of, and we'll get there when we talk about holding the land,

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because the picture is in the Old Testament, how that God drove everything out little by little,

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so that he wouldn't just clean the land out and then wild beasts infiltrate it

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and overcome the people and they lose it all.

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So there's a process that's like peeling an onion.

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It's got all kinds of layers before you get to the core and really get rid of everything.

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The person who's getting deliverance needs to learn how to maintain what you gave to them.

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You don't want to take the whole onion and throw it out,

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because it might be too much spiritual ground for them to occupy.

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That is especially true with mentally ill people.

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Because they are so wrapped up in their own anxiety, their own drama, their own fear,

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their own suspicions.

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Mentally ill people are suspicious of everything and everybody all the time.

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I mean, who's coming after me? Who's watching me?

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Are you doing this on purpose? Why are you chasing me?

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Yeah, it's paranoia.

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Depending upon how much of that they have, that is the world they live in.

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And you can say, this is what you have to do to maintain that ground.

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And you cast some demons out and they don't maintain the ground.

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Well, now you just made their life worse than six months or a year later.

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They're going to be worse off than if you'd have left them alone.

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So with... here's the point I'm trying to make.

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With the removing of demonic forces, there has to be healing.

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They have to go together.

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You're a perfect example. You are doing very well.

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I'm not saying that you have no battles. Not saying that.

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But you are doing very well.

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You have conquered your living life, your overcoming,

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and the old hooks that used to grab you and suck you under,

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you don't let them do it so much anymore.

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You're living above them.

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That came a little at a time, didn't it?

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That I really got healing.

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So our job is to help them gain some healing

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and remove enough of the demonic force

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that they can live in that little bit of healing

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and let them grow in that and then take another layer off

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and another layer off. That's a conclusion I'm coming to.

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You went through it. You think I'm right or wrong on that?

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Totally agree.

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Because if you do too much all at once,

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you weren't ready to maintain your land.

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I mean spiritually to run your life.

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That's what I mean by maintain your land.

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Spiritually run your life. You weren't ready.

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But you could do a little bit and then you did a little more.

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I'm not against medication at all

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if that helps stabilize them until they can get healed.

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I got no issue with that.

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If you're hurting, I have no problem with you taking Tylenol

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until it heals enough, the pain goes away.

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Do you have a problem with that?

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You know, the brain medication is the same thing.

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You're trying to stabilize it so you can heal it.

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You don't want to be there the rest of your life.

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But then we don't want to be in heart medication

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the rest of our life either. You know, kind of thing.

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You want to stabilize it long enough

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so you can get in front of it spiritually, get healed

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and then you don't need the medicine anymore.

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So I have no issue with that either.

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Were you on any... you must have been on some meds.

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Anybody who thinks they're God must have been taking some.

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So I've been on prescriptions or street drugs in seventh grade

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but now I'm three months of nothing.

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I'm just taking vitamins.

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Wow.

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They didn't hear that. So let me say it.

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You were on prescription stuff since you were in the seventh grade

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but now you're totally free of all medication for three months.

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Just going the holistic route. All vitamins and supplements.

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Awesome. Awesome.

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So, perfect example.

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So the med... the... the...

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Can I say one thing about the acute psychosis thing?

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You can. Where'd the mic go?

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Two are done with this conversation.

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Maybe just hold on to the mic.

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It's just stirring in my heart.

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So I really do believe that acute psychosis

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is the body's natural way of releasing trauma.

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But what happens is friends, family, society, doctors

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don't know what to do with you.

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So they throw in your psych ward, shove pills down your throat

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and then you get stuck of what you naturally needed to go through.

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There has been some research where when people are in a...

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in a delusion state hallucinating, if someone's with them,

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two people with the person for 24...

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with them 24 hours for like two weeks doesn't leave their side

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because you, you know, can do some crazy stuff.

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But they said that in two weeks usually the psychosis will surpass

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and they can heal from it, but it doesn't happen too often

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because everyone gets on medication, you know?

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So now we'll answer your question. You can give that back to her.

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Now we'll answer your question.

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Why is it that people can have demons manifesting

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and then when they give them drugs they quit?

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I bet you have the answer for that now.

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Or was that not the exact question?

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Yes, that was the question and I was thinking about that

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because I asked you that. And what came to my mind was

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because the devil's sneaky and wants to make doctors think

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that it's not always demonic warfare, that it's meant to illness.

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That can be part of it.

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The part to me is this, for any spirit in here

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to manifest has to go through the brain.

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All five senses, everything's connected with the brain.

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So once you drug them, you shut down the access to the brain.

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I mean even the person themselves is kind of...

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Yeah, gone.

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So it's behavior modification via you're not letting the brain function.

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If you don't let the brain function, no spirit can access it.

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And then that shuts it down.

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But your answer is not wrong either.

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It's a game.

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Alright, now let's run the mic over.

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Try it again.

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So you addressed how there's...

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You don't see any biblical basis for an individual to tackle a regional...

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Do you have any?

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No.

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But I'm wondering if the same principle applies to holidays

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because you hear it all the time, like,

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oh, we were deemed, you know, like Halloween, for example.

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But there's still yuck attached to that.

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Individuals or even small groups of people,

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is there any biblical basis for us redeeming?

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For redeeming an evil holiday?

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Of course, I'm kind of narrow-minded on this.

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So not everybody's going to agree with this.

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But I'm going to say I don't think so.

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You know, there's people who try to take Halloween

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and turn it into a safe environment for children

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or a friendly environment for children.

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And I have no issue with that if that's what...

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If that's what they feel God asked them to do.

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My approach is this, because they'll say,

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well, we're not celebrating Halloween.

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Then why are you doing it on October 31st?

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Well, my children are just out in...

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in whatever kind of costume.

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It's not demonic, this, that, and the other.

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And we're just having fun.

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So we're not celebrating Halloween.

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We'll do it on June 30th.

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You know, put your costume on

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and run around the neighborhood

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in June 30th saying trick or treat.

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See where that gets you.

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You say, well, that wouldn't work.

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That's my point exactly.

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Because you're not celebrating Halloween on June 30th.

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It's on October 31st.

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And the very reason you use the word trick or treat

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is to celebrate Halloween.

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So the Catholic Church tried that.

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They did it with almost every Christian holiday we have.

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They slid, you know, they get pagans.

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They got pagans saved by Crusades.

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And that's not a bad way, I suppose.

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Repent or die, you know.

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I got the sword.

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Either you're going to convert to the church

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or we're killing you, you know.

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So they bring in whole nations at a time.

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And I can't say their motives were bad.

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They're trying to save people, you know.

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It's just an interesting approach.

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But anyway, so you've got a whole nation of pagans coming in.

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They're coming in with all their bad habits,

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all their holidays, all their mess.

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Every Christian holiday we have

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has been slid beside a pagan holiday.

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And the reason for it was to hopefully

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sanctify the pagan holiday.

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Like, November 1st is what?

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All Saints' Day.

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That was slid up beside Halloween.

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Hopefully that people would quit celebrating Halloween

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and start celebrating All Saints' Day.

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I can't say it's a bad idea

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and I can't say they had bad motives.

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They're trying to help pagans find God.

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Okay, here's the problem.

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It didn't work.

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Most people don't even know November 1st is All Saints' Day.

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But everybody knows Halloween.

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So how do you deal with that then?

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Here's my stance, and here's where I'm narrow-minded.

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I'm very unpopular for this.

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Some things as Christians we need to learn to say no to.

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We don't have to participate in everything

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because everything's available.

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Some things we need to say no.

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I'm not doing that.

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My opinion, Halloween is one of those.

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And we can talk about I got a series on Halloween

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and Christmas and Easter.

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Well, I'm not giving up Resurrection Sunday.

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Sorry.

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Even though sometimes we celebrate it on the wrong day,

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I'm not giving the concept up.

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Jesus absolutely was not born in December.

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He was born more than likely in September.

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So the shepherds were still in the fields.

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In December, in Israel, shepherds are not in the fields.

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They're hunkered down because it's snowy and cold.

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So it coincides with the different of the Jewish feasts.

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But here's kind of an approach I take.

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Some things are just Valentine's Day.

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Really?

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Have you ever researched Valentine's Day?

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Cupid.

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This fat angel.

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Floats around and sticks you in the behind with an arrow

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and now all of a sudden you're in love with somebody.

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It's like research that sometime.

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I think that's one that would be okay to just kind of say no to.

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You know, it's Saint Valentine's Day.

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Again, the Catholic Church tried to take a pagan holiday

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and Christianize it.

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And Christmas they did the same thing.

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And there's certain things we need to say no to.

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And then there's other holidays, my personal opinion.

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I'm just tired of giving stuff that is of God away.

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You know, I could celebrate Christmas in September.

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That's okay.

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But I'm just kind of tired of, yeah, I know it's messed up.

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But I want to celebrate the birth of my Savior for one reason.

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He was born of a virgin.

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That needs to be shoved in the devil's face every year.

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He was born of a virgin.

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If he wasn't, we're all in deep trouble.

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But he was born of a virgin.

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He was the Son of God, not the Son of Joseph.

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And I want to use the opportunity to do that.

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So sometimes I just get tired of saying,

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well, we're going to give that up because the devil screwed it up so bad.

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Well, Christmas is really messed up.

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But you know what?

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I get tired of backing off everything.

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I want to give gifts to my children.

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I want to celebrate.

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I want to be thankful for a son of God who was born of a virgin.

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So everybody's got to decide in their own mind.

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It's a hard issue.

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And if you want to celebrate Christmas in September,

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invite me over.

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We'll have a good time.

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That's fine. I have no problem with that.

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I'm going to still go with the 25th of December,

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even though I know it's wrong.

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I know it's wrong.

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But here's kind of my reasoning.

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If Christians and the church don't take a stand for something,

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the whole thing is going to be commercialized and become about Santa Claus.

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And Jesus will disappear in the distance.

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And we won't even know Christmas was about Jesus.

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It'll all be about Santa Claus and gifts and all this goofiness.

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But it's hard.

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I hear your question.

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It's hard because where do you draw the line?

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And I say it's between you and God.

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It's a hard issue.

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Some things I think Christians need to say no to.

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But I know Christians who take their...

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I know Christians who come to this church who still take their children.

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Trick or treating.

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It's like, well, you know my stance?

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You got to choose.

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I'm not going to tell you how to live your life.

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But I think that's one of those that we should just nix.

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Our children have to learn how to say no to some things.

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They have to.

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And that's a good time to teach them how to say no.

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You say, but it's so much fun they're missing out on.

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We'll do something different.

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You know, when our kids are growing up, we always did something special.

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We pulled them out of school because that turned into a nightmare.

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And they told us, you can't pull them out.

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I said, watch us.

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Watch, they won't show up.

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What are you going to do about it?

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Are you going to arrest us, throw us in jail?

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Because we kept our kids out of school for two, three days?

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No, they said, it's going that way.

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But back then it's like, well, it's just not...

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They should be here with their friends.

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We don't want them here with their friends because of what you're celebrating.

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So we take them, we go someplace, we leave the state.

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We just go someplace.

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Do something that was a memory for them and they wanted candy.

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It was one of the only times of the year.

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We go to the store and say, you know, back then with 10, 15 bucks, you could buy a whole bag full.

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You know, here's 10 bucks.

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Go trick or treating in the candy aisle.

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You know, buy whatever you want kind of thing.

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They loved it.

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To my knowledge, none of them complained about missing the Halloween.

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But that's one that's just...

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If Christians can't teach their children to say no to some things,

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their children are in deep trouble as they get older.

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Because we just have to say no to some things.

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Go ahead, Sally.

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Well, about two and a half years ago,

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Ken and I were in bed and all of a sudden,

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it sounded like someone had a whole arm load of China

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and dropped it on the floor right outside our bedroom door.

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And I have dealt with things like this from the time I was a kid,

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so I knew about some of this,

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but he really didn't know about too much of it,

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which was kind of an eye-opener.

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So I'm laying there and I said, honey, did you hear that?

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And he says, I heard it.

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And I said, it was real, right?

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And he said, yes.

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I said, okay, this really makes me angry

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because this house is not ours.

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It belongs to God, the blood of Jesus.

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I went through the whole thing. I was angry.

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Stated your stance and who you are.

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That was so ticked.

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And so I'm going through...

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I'm just having a hissy fit over the whole thing.

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And he...

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Your eyes were so big.

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So we were going to lunch.

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Jenny Roberts from Kenya was in town

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and I was meeting and Ken was playing chauffeur

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for Shelley and Jenny and I to go to lunch.

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And so I thought, I don't want to bring this up,

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but the things that Jenny has encountered,

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I just casually brought up.

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I said, we had an incident.

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And I said, I'm just curious because I said it really angered me.

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And I related it to it.

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And Jenny says, oh, a night traveler.

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And I said, huh?

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She said, it was a night traveler.

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So I did research on night travelers.

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And I really, I knew that this was happening more.

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Astral projection.

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And that is what the other night, actually,

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we had, I think, four visitors.

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This was, what, a week ago tonight?

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No.

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It was before our meeting last week.

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And I...

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You must be becoming a threat to some...

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You're becoming a threat to some coven or something.

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You know, this happens.

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And it's, it's really hard because I have dealt with things and I've handled them.

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I mean, I've had a lot, trust me from the time I was little.

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So it's not new to me, but it bugs me because to my knowledge,

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and I pray this Lord, if anybody sees anything, if you see, let me know.

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But I, so far it hasn't been, but this astral projection is a lot.

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It is really, really coming now with other people,

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and they don't know what it is they're dealing with.

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Okay, so let me ask a couple of questions.

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Was there anything outside your bedroom door?

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Was there nothing there when you went?

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There was nothing there.

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We went to...

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Okay.

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The stuff that's happening now, what are you doing with it?

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The night travelers?

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Are you handling them?

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What are you doing with?

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What's happening?

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Well, that happened, and it was me that had the experience.

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I basically didn't realize, you know, there was anything there.

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I woke up and I went to look at the clock, which is on our little cabinet.

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Yep.

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And all of a sudden as I looked, it was kind of like there was a screen there.

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Okay.

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And there were some little things moving around that were kind of goofy shaped.

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Okay.

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And I just kind of felt like, this isn't good.

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So I just said, I start to take authority over it,

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and say, you know, get out.

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There's no dominion here.

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Mm-hmm.

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And as I said, at the screen left, but then I felt something like we're moving around in our bed.

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And so I said it again.

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Okay.

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And did that.

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And after the fourth time, I didn't sense any more.

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Okay.

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And that was...

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We have, you know, obviously we just started with the basic.

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We will talk about astral projecting.

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I mentioned it that first night, but we haven't talked about it much.

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That's a whole different cat.

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They're not demons.

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Those are humans.

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I know.

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And they have to be handled differently because many times they won't respond to the command in Jesus' name.

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They're very much like...

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They're not under...

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Let me say it this way.

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Demons are under our authority.

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Humans are not.

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You're not under my authority unless you willfully submit to me.

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And I'm not under your authority unless I do the same.

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So I have no authority over you other than what the legal law would give me.

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And this is a spirit realm problem.

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This isn't legal law, physical problem.

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So the problem with astral projections is we have no authority over them.

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And the thing that...

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I didn't figure this out.

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This is what was taught to me, and it works.

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The thing that took me the longest to recognize is astral projections would come like a demon in a person.

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And it wasn't a demon.

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So they wouldn't respond to me.

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They wouldn't respond to taking authority over them, casting them out, commanding them to be quiet, any of that stuff.

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They just laugh and sneer until I finally figured out, oh, this is not a demon.

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This is an astral projection.

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So then I got some information on that.

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And this works consistently.

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You speak to them. They can hear you.

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They know you're there. You know they're there.

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You speak to them.

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Now astral projection is operating under the power of Old Testament. We would call it witchcraft.

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Okay?

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If anybody's got better experience than this, help me out. I'm open to suggestions.

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But the thing that I was taught, that works.

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Is you speak to them and you give them the opportunity to redeem themselves.

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You know, you can be saved because they're a human being.

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You can be saved.

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God loves you, but you're trespassing.

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You don't belong here. You don't have the right here. This is not your house.

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This is our house.

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And you have no right or authority here.

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So I am going to suggest you stay out of here, because this is ours.

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And if you come back, you know you're operating in a form of witchcraft.

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And the scripture says, suffer a witch, not to live. I'll kill you.

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Literally. Now God has to do it.

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But I'll sever your silver cord.

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And that's what I'll tell them.

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I'll sever your silver cord with the word of my mouth.

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I'll sever your silver cord. You'll never get back to your body.

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Your body will die of drugs, whatever is going on now.

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Your body will die of a heart attack.

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Your body will die of a brain hemorrhage, whatever.

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But the reason it died is because you came here and you shouldn't have been here.

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And I cut your silver cord. You're not going back.

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You would be amazed how well that works.

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Why have we done to attract this?

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I don't know. The only thing I know.

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I didn't deal with astral projections until I became a threat to local covens.

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Because there's covens all over. There's covens all around us.

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I know. I have been with them.

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And until I became a threat to them, until Mary and I became a threat to them,

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and their little kingdom and their little establishment, they left us alone.

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Once we became a threat to them.

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In other words, we're doing things in the spirit realm.

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We're doing things spiritually that is impeding their progress.

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Now they will fight back.

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So that's when they showed up and started showing up.

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Yeah. Like I say, when I woke up it was just...

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I wanted to look at the clock.

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But all of a sudden I had the feeling like there's people here.

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There's bodies here. There's something here.

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It feels different than a demon, don't it?

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And it was just like they were watching TV or some program.

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Give the mic to Sally.

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Give the mic to Sally so it gets on recording.

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What?

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It sat on the edge of your bed, you said?

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Well, this was a while back.

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I could tell when he moves around, and he can tell when I move around,

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but this was kind of weird because neither of us were moving around.

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And there was a demon sitting on the corner of our bed.

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And I thought, this angered me so badly

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because I didn't know how to deal with it.

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The demons I've dealt with, I mean, I'm not going good girl.

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You're so smart, but I mean, you know...

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You had some experience.

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This will feel like a person.

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It was. That was a dimension. It was a different thing.

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Somehow they have ability to interact in the physical realm,

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even though they're not there with their body, they're there in spirit.

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I don't know why this is. The first time I encountered one,

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I walked into a room that had no activity going on whatsoever,

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except that was back in the days when we used to do the hanging lights in the corners.

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That baby was just...

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And I felt... I walked in there, and I was like,

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who is in here? You could feel a person.

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And I thought, it's demons.

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So I took authority over this, that, and the other,

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and that was how I got introduced to it.

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That was my first introduction to an astral projection,

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is a swinging light, evil in the place that would not leave.

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That does work though. You speak the gospel to them,

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and give them the warning, and tell them if you come back.

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Well, now you're armed. Now we have something to use against them.

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We get visited by them every so often.

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Well, you know, Jenny, when she went to Kenya,

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she built her complex there, and she didn't know what in the world.

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She built it right on which doctor's sacrifice area.

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That's where the Lord led her.

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Well now, you know, they have such a big compound.

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Time to take some ground back.

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She just says it to me like, oh, a night traveler.

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Like, you know, this is nothing, and I thought, well, hold it.

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So, you know, she just looked at it.

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That's funny. That's how God would do it.

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You see that spot there? I want that back.

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Go build your complex there. That's funny.

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I had something to say about that.

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So I have astral projected.

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Oh, you've done it? Yes, I've done it.

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And it wasn't in witchcraft.

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Like, I didn't know at the time, you know, I was just...

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When I was younger, it's been happening to me my whole entire life.

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Without me even trying it, like I would just wake up and...

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Be out of your body? Yeah.

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I know other people have had the same thing.

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That's usually from ancestral sin, generational stuff.

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That's good to know.

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So when I was 16, I practiced it to understand it more.

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And it can just be somebody doing the same thing that I was doing.

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Just experimenting, trying to figure out, you know, find the answers.

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So they're not necessarily always going to be there to hurt you, is my point.

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But if you chase them out and tell them, you know, give them the gospel.

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And give them the choice.

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And you just go back to their body. You know what I mean?

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I just want you to be where it might not be somebody who's trying to hurt you.

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It could just be somebody exploring and trying to figure things out.

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How do you say that?

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There is out in Edina or somewhere, and they're releasing a lot of this.

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There's a lot of activity going on from there.

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Oh really? Yeah.

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News to me.

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The last time I did it, I was transported into a realm where the being who ruled that realm

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spoke to me, told me its name.

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Never did it again.

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Yeah, I was going to suggest you probably want to stop doing that.

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Never do it again.

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Now you can stop it.

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Usually it happens unwillingly, like you said.

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I had no control over it. It just happened.

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That you can stop that by dealing with generational stuff.

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Generational sin will stop that.

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But yeah, that happens.

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And it's innocent.

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I had another, what was I going to say?

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I was going to say something regarding that, and now I lost it.

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If it comes back, I'll bring it back up.

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Go ahead.

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So I know that you and I had a previous conversation, but if I remember correctly,

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parents have that legal authority over their children,

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if there's stuff going on with them.

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The younger, the more authority you have.

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Okay.

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So if there was a situation where an adult has another like guardianship

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or other legal rights over another adult, does that apply less?

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Is there any authority in that situation?

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There is some authority there, not like a parent to a child.

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Okay.

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But there is some authority there, especially if they willfully submitted themself.

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It's the authority principle of,

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I have authority as your pastor if you submit to me as your pastor.

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So that gives me some authority.

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It gives me authority to pray with you with more power.

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It gives me authority to, if the Lord shows some things to me about your life

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that where the devil is trying to get you or whatever,

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demonic forces shouldn't say devil, where the demonic force is trying to get you.

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I have more authority because you gave it to me.

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It's the same thing there.

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There is some spiritual authority that goes with it.

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Not as strong as parental, but there is some that goes with it.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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And a couple of this direction.

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We're past nine, but we can go a little bit longer.

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Would lucid dreaming be the same as astral projecting?

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Describe what you mean by lucid dreaming.

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Like when I was a kid, I used to be in school and I'm Pinterest

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and they would talk about how you can control what you do in your dreams.

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Oh, no.

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Or is that like...

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It's a whole different thing.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Astral projecting is when your spirit leaves your body.

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According to the book of Ecclesiastes.

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Well, the first time I heard it was...

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I mean, even in the secular world, they'll talk about the silver cord.

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Because I've never seen it.

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Oh, now I remember what I was going to say.

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Anyway, let's finish this.

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Did you see your own silver cord?

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There is a...

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I want them to describe it because I've had it described to me.

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Abby, could you run the mic back over?

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I've had it described to me.

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What did it look like to you, your silver cord?

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It literally is a silver cord.

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It's attached to your belly button.

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And it just goes off into heaven.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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How big is it?

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It's like an umbilical cord.

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Okay.

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About that size?

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Yeah.

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That's what I saw.

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Because even in the secular world, because that's what you see,

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someone who doesn't know anything about God,

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anything about the word,

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if they come out of their body that way,

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they'll see their own silver cord.

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And they know it attaches them to their body.

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And the more you practice, the further out you can get.

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To begin with, you just come out a little bit

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and then you got to work on that to be able to go further.

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So it kind of stretches.

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But in Ecclesiastes, it talks about cutting the silver cord

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and putting an end to...

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Solomon knew about this stuff.

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He knew about night travelers.

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And interestingly enough, even in the Old Testament,

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they had enough authority in God

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to stop night travelers or astral projectionists.

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And they knew how to do it.

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Cut the silver cord.

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Of course God had told them, don't let a witch live.

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Kill them.

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So maybe that was the source of authority or whatever,

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but it's interesting.

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But now, here was my thought that I forgot to say before

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and came back to me.

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Do you know what astral projection is a...

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it's the copy of?

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The witch is on the broom.

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No, that's part of it.

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That's part of it.

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That's part of it.

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I'm talking about in God's side.

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God came up with this first

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and then the kingdom of darkness took it and perverted it.

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What did God come up with that they're trying to pervert?

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Nope, he was bodily transported.

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He went with his whole body.

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Was it the transfiguration?

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Nope.

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Just trying to get you to think.

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Is there any place where God pulls anybody out of their body?

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The rapture.

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Nope.

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Paul?

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Paul had it happen.

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When he was taken to heaven?

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Yeah.

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Oh, Enoch.

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Enoch was raptured.

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There's different people who have had,

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they call them out of body experiences

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where people are taken to heaven.

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Right.

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Jesse DePlanus had it.

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Brother Hagen had it.

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Well, their body is on earth still alive,

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being kept alive by the Holy Spirit

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because their spirit's gone elsewhere

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and without the spirit the body is dead,

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the scripture says.

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So you have to have a spirit

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and they're keeping it alive.

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But our being able to go to being pulled,

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I had it happen to me where

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out of my body and I was in heaven

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and Jesus talked to me and came back to my body,

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astral projection is the counterfeit of that.

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It's to pull you out of your body

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and let you do things, put you back in.

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So it's the counterfeit of that.

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But, yeah, so it's again, it's God's,

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the devil can't come up with anything new.

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He can only take what God does and pervert it.

01:00:01.200 --> 01:00:03.300
So when God creates or invents something,

01:00:03.520 --> 01:00:04.760
he'll grab it and try to pervert it.

01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:06.360
And that's what astral projection is.

01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:08.440
But you're not dealing with demons. You're dealing with humans.

01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:10.240
And they don't respond the same.

01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:12.080
And they're very arrogant.

01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:15.140
Not the innocent ones.

01:00:15.420 --> 01:00:16.760
Because I dealt with an innocent one.

01:00:17.640 --> 01:00:18.520
Didn't I bring...

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I think I brought that up the first night

01:00:19.780 --> 01:00:21.020
when I was sharing some of my experiences.

01:00:21.340 --> 01:00:22.220
The one girl.

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The teenage girl. She just got saved.

01:00:27.340 --> 01:00:29.280
Came out of a really rough family.

01:00:29.680 --> 01:00:30.340
Just got saved.

01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:31.440
She was there one Sunday night.

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She was hard after trying to live for God.

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And after service, you know,

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like here people come up and ask questions.

01:00:37.080 --> 01:00:38.420
Talked to me. She came up and she said,

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is it normal for a Christian to be able

01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:43.160
to come out of their body and float around

01:00:43.160 --> 01:00:44.160
during a service?

01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:45.760
Is this a spiritual experience?

01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:48.300
And I'm going, tell me what happened.

01:00:49.100 --> 01:00:50.680
You know, so she did.

01:00:50.940 --> 01:00:52.320
She said, and that guy over there,

01:00:52.340 --> 01:00:53.500
he was reading this book.

01:00:53.520 --> 01:00:55.220
He wouldn't pay any attention to what you were doing.

01:00:55.260 --> 01:00:58.820
And she had floated around the whole room

01:00:59.640 --> 01:01:01.980
from above just kind of watching everybody's doing.

01:01:02.200 --> 01:01:03.620
She said, and finally I got tired of it.

01:01:03.620 --> 01:01:04.920
And I tried to get back to my body.

01:01:04.920 --> 01:01:07.240
And I kind of swam in the air, you know.

01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:09.900
And she said, eventually somehow I got back.

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She said, is that normal?

01:01:11.900 --> 01:01:13.600
So it was innocent, like you.

01:01:13.820 --> 01:01:14.380
It was innocent.

01:01:15.260 --> 01:01:17.140
But it was her sister driving her out.

01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:19.040
Her sister was in witchcraft.

01:01:19.600 --> 01:01:21.580
And her sister was driving her out.

01:01:21.820 --> 01:01:23.760
So can you only do it if you're doing witchcraft?

01:01:25.100 --> 01:01:27.640
Well, demon Satan worship probably do the same thing.

01:01:27.860 --> 01:01:32.780
Have you ever heard of it before?

01:01:33.040 --> 01:01:33.160
Yeah.

01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:35.380
So it can happen innocently,

01:01:35.380 --> 01:01:37.840
but there's always some power of sin behind it.

01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:41.860
It does not happen unless there's some power of sin forcing us.

01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:43.400
Oh, you did?

01:01:43.680 --> 01:01:45.180
Yeah, that might be part of it too.

01:01:46.100 --> 01:01:48.660
But anyway, so yeah, it's, you know,

01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:50.020
we had an awesome service tonight.

01:01:50.140 --> 01:01:53.160
We all got out of our bodies and went traveling around the sanctuary

01:01:53.160 --> 01:01:54.300
looking at each other.

01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:56.560
It's like, no, it's probably not normal.

01:01:56.780 --> 01:01:58.180
We should deal with this.

01:01:59.420 --> 01:02:00.940
But that was an innocent one.

01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:03.100
You know, she wasn't intending to do this.

01:02:03.100 --> 01:02:05.620
And she was thinking, well, maybe this is a spiritual experience

01:02:05.620 --> 01:02:06.760
that I know nothing of.

01:02:08.100 --> 01:02:11.440
And it's like, well, it is, but it's not from our side.

01:02:12.060 --> 01:02:13.500
So anyway, go ahead, Dominic.

01:02:14.020 --> 01:02:16.960
So like, so what you were talking about,

01:02:17.040 --> 01:02:19.340
about how people can like get pulled up to heaven

01:02:19.340 --> 01:02:20.860
and like the astral projection.

01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:23.980
So like when people like they're still alive,

01:02:23.980 --> 01:02:26.840
but they go down to hell, is that astral projection

01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:29.460
or is God like keeping their body alive

01:02:29.460 --> 01:02:32.240
but sending them down for a testimony or what?

01:02:32.840 --> 01:02:34.560
Are these people Christians who come back

01:02:34.560 --> 01:02:36.060
and try to warn people from going?

01:02:36.300 --> 01:02:37.580
Or are these people unsaved?

01:02:38.160 --> 01:02:39.200
Saved and unsaved.

01:02:39.220 --> 01:02:41.380
Because they went to hell?

01:02:41.600 --> 01:02:43.980
Yeah, like they didn't die or anything?

01:02:44.420 --> 01:02:46.960
I've read of both where they died and came back to life.

01:02:47.460 --> 01:02:51.400
And I've read also of like Mary Kay Baxter.

01:02:52.660 --> 01:02:55.860
She's got a good book about over a 40-day period of time

01:02:55.860 --> 01:02:57.140
where Jesus took her to hell.

01:02:58.420 --> 01:03:00.600
She was there in spirit. She wasn't there in bodies.

01:03:01.260 --> 01:03:05.540
So the Holy Spirit keeps us alive when it's of God's kingdom.

01:03:06.060 --> 01:03:07.720
When it's of the devil's kingdom,

01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:09.480
it's demons that keep us alive.

01:03:09.720 --> 01:03:11.700
Keep the body alive while we're gone.

01:03:12.980 --> 01:03:14.900
But to answer your question,

01:03:16.020 --> 01:03:17.500
if it's from God's side,

01:03:17.600 --> 01:03:19.600
he's trying to get them to not go there.

01:03:20.180 --> 01:03:21.740
He's trying to use them for a testimony.

01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.540
He's trying to help them to see don't do this.

01:03:25.680 --> 01:03:28.220
I have not read much of anything.

01:03:28.480 --> 01:03:31.680
In fact, I've not read anything of someone who's unsaved

01:03:31.680 --> 01:03:34.800
who went to hell while their body was alive.

01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:37.660
There's a reason for that.

01:03:39.380 --> 01:03:40.940
Anybody guess what that is?

01:03:41.180 --> 01:03:43.680
Let's say you're unsaved and you get to see hell.

01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:47.660
When you get back to your body,

01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:50.220
you're going to get saved.

01:03:52.700 --> 01:03:56.840
That is not a place that anybody wants to go to.

01:03:57.040 --> 01:03:57.740
Saved or unsaved.

01:03:57.980 --> 01:04:00.060
Once they see it's real, they'll get saved.

01:04:00.260 --> 01:04:02.640
So I don't think the devil kind of encourages that.

01:04:03.460 --> 01:04:04.900
Hey, let's take you down.

01:04:05.060 --> 01:04:06.080
I'll show you what your future is.

01:04:06.640 --> 01:04:07.820
They're going to come back and say,

01:04:07.880 --> 01:04:09.060
I'm getting out of this future.

01:04:09.380 --> 01:04:10.480
I'm not doing this.

01:04:11.460 --> 01:04:12.620
So anyway, yeah.

01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:14.100
So it mostly be God.

01:04:14.360 --> 01:04:14.900
Got another question?

01:04:15.040 --> 01:04:15.340
Are you done?

01:04:17.080 --> 01:04:17.800
Question here.

01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:18.780
Did somebody else have one?

01:04:18.780 --> 01:04:19.380
We're coming to you.

01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:20.500
We better end here pretty quick.

01:04:22.460 --> 01:04:23.460
Just real quick.

01:04:23.600 --> 01:04:26.620
I wanted to make a comment on when you deliver somebody,

01:04:26.820 --> 01:04:27.540
you're saying, you know,

01:04:27.560 --> 01:04:29.220
if you take too many out, they'll come back.

01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:31.640
When we went out and seen Daniel Adams,

01:04:31.860 --> 01:04:34.080
he said, you always fill them with the Holy Spirit.

01:04:34.440 --> 01:04:34.560
Yeah.

01:04:35.240 --> 01:04:36.740
But they have to maintain that.

01:04:36.980 --> 01:04:38.560
Ephesians says, be filled.

01:04:39.260 --> 01:04:40.420
And the word in the Greek,

01:04:40.600 --> 01:04:42.480
there is a constant daily filling.

01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:44.200
But you're absolutely right.

01:04:45.260 --> 01:04:48.080
You always, you always pray that the Holy Spirit

01:04:48.080 --> 01:04:51.020
fills that spiritual void, that spiritual cavity.

01:04:51.640 --> 01:04:53.620
And I always pray that the blood of Jesus

01:04:53.620 --> 01:04:55.160
protects them and surrounds them.

01:04:55.700 --> 01:04:57.020
But once they're out the door,

01:04:57.580 --> 01:04:58.800
they've got to maintain that.

01:05:00.520 --> 01:05:02.660
And if you don't take too much out, they can.

01:05:03.380 --> 01:05:03.860
It works.

01:05:06.060 --> 01:05:07.680
But I've seen it go the other way.

01:05:08.060 --> 01:05:08.900
Anybody else have a question?

01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:11.720
Up in the sound booth we have one.

01:05:11.860 --> 01:05:13.580
We'll do these last two questions and we're done.

01:05:14.260 --> 01:05:16.660
When you went to heaven, did you see any kind of a chord

01:05:16.660 --> 01:05:17.860
in that experience?

01:05:18.180 --> 01:05:18.700
Nope. I did not.

01:05:19.300 --> 01:05:21.040
Of course, I never looked back.

01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:24.120
It was the oddest thing.

01:05:24.140 --> 01:05:25.140
I should share that sometime.

01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:26.400
It was the oddest thing.

01:05:26.940 --> 01:05:29.040
I popped up out of the ground

01:05:29.700 --> 01:05:30.820
when I went there.

01:05:31.460 --> 01:05:33.600
I just came up out of the ground

01:05:33.600 --> 01:05:35.180
and I was this far out.

01:05:35.900 --> 01:05:37.660
And I was looking around going,

01:05:38.720 --> 01:05:40.320
what is this?

01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:43.880
And then Jesus came and as He came

01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:45.620
I came up and out.

01:05:46.200 --> 01:05:47.240
And went from there.

01:05:47.960 --> 01:05:50.380
But no, I never looked back

01:05:50.860 --> 01:05:53.120
and when it was done I was just back in my body.

01:05:53.700 --> 01:05:57.120
In fact, I could sense my body the whole time.

01:05:58.180 --> 01:05:59.700
I could feel it.

01:05:59.900 --> 01:06:03.860
And if I had got determined to end that thing

01:06:03.860 --> 01:06:05.060
I could have went right back.

01:06:05.900 --> 01:06:08.160
I was not forced to stay there.

01:06:09.120 --> 01:06:11.480
I knew I was attached to my body

01:06:11.480 --> 01:06:12.900
or I could feel my body

01:06:12.900 --> 01:06:14.580
and I could go right back to it

01:06:14.580 --> 01:06:16.260
at any point I decided to.

01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:19.060
I was awake.

01:06:23.870 --> 01:06:26.750
Wait until you get the mic.

01:06:27.190 --> 01:06:27.330
Go ahead.

01:06:27.810 --> 01:06:29.470
I was just like, I just had a thought

01:06:29.470 --> 01:06:31.550
where why potentially

01:06:31.550 --> 01:06:33.330
you wouldn't have a silver cord

01:06:33.330 --> 01:06:35.310
is because Holy Spirit is omnipresent

01:06:35.310 --> 01:06:36.930
and demons aren't.

01:06:37.010 --> 01:06:38.450
There has to be some attachment.

01:06:39.370 --> 01:06:40.570
And then again, maybe I had one.

01:06:40.710 --> 01:06:41.450
I just wasn't seeing it.

01:06:41.910 --> 01:06:43.350
I'm just like, oh, that's a potential.

01:06:43.590 --> 01:06:45.110
But I have read of other people

01:06:45.110 --> 01:06:46.150
and heard their stories

01:06:46.150 --> 01:06:47.450
and I don't know of any Christian

01:06:47.450 --> 01:06:49.510
who has been an out-of-body experience

01:06:49.510 --> 01:06:50.130
gone to heaven

01:06:50.130 --> 01:06:52.910
who has ever said they felt their silver cord

01:06:53.330 --> 01:06:54.350
or saw it.

01:06:54.530 --> 01:06:55.650
I don't know of any of them.

01:06:56.190 --> 01:06:57.050
They were just there.

01:06:57.970 --> 01:06:59.370
Paul doesn't talk about it

01:06:59.370 --> 01:07:00.710
in his out-of-body experience.

01:07:01.650 --> 01:07:02.750
So you might be right.

01:07:03.290 --> 01:07:04.010
I was just...

01:07:04.010 --> 01:07:04.850
Yeah, good thought.

01:07:05.110 --> 01:07:05.450
Go ahead, Kevin.

01:07:06.050 --> 01:07:07.350
Question on the...

01:07:07.350 --> 01:07:09.490
You were talking about the transfer of spirits

01:07:09.490 --> 01:07:10.590
with the laying on of hands

01:07:10.590 --> 01:07:12.730
and go to the services

01:07:12.730 --> 01:07:15.270
where everybody's laying on hands and everything.

01:07:16.030 --> 01:07:18.190
Can you address how that is different

01:07:18.190 --> 01:07:19.850
than what we do here

01:07:19.850 --> 01:07:22.950
on some worship services

01:07:22.950 --> 01:07:25.850
and prayer times when you or Mary say,

01:07:26.030 --> 01:07:27.570
put your hands on the person to your right

01:07:27.570 --> 01:07:29.690
and bless them

01:07:29.690 --> 01:07:31.290
and pray for them

01:07:31.290 --> 01:07:33.450
and then turn to the one on the left.

01:07:33.950 --> 01:07:36.970
How is that different than just the random hands?

01:07:37.030 --> 01:07:39.630
To my knowledge, there's only one thing

01:07:39.630 --> 01:07:41.310
that differentiates that.

01:07:42.910 --> 01:07:46.450
Is I have a standing agreement with God

01:07:47.590 --> 01:07:50.810
that any praying for anybody here,

01:07:50.970 --> 01:07:53.330
me to them, them to me, or to each other,

01:07:54.150 --> 01:07:57.070
there will be no transferring of anything

01:07:57.070 --> 01:07:59.030
except it be from God's kingdom.

01:07:59.590 --> 01:08:02.070
I have a standing prayer, standing agreement.

01:08:02.290 --> 01:08:04.330
I call that by faith regularly.

01:08:07.230 --> 01:08:08.650
We can commend that.

01:08:09.030 --> 01:08:10.810
Yes, it is something we can commend.

01:08:10.810 --> 01:08:13.790
The problem is we have to be aware of it.

01:08:14.230 --> 01:08:17.830
And I've heard of the guy who helped mentor me.

01:08:18.870 --> 01:08:21.290
He would run into people from,

01:08:21.810 --> 01:08:24.750
if I'd mentioned the minister's conference

01:08:24.750 --> 01:08:27.170
that they were at, you'd all go,

01:08:28.030 --> 01:08:29.270
couldn't have happened there.

01:08:29.390 --> 01:08:31.930
And yet he'd get people that would show up

01:08:31.930 --> 01:08:34.070
and say, ever since I went to this conference,

01:08:34.950 --> 01:08:36.710
I am tormented.

01:08:38.070 --> 01:08:39.650
And he said, well, what happened there?

01:08:39.650 --> 01:08:42.170
Well, it was nice conference and speaking

01:08:42.170 --> 01:08:43.910
and praying and nothing.

01:08:44.110 --> 01:08:45.670
He said, did anybody lay hands on you?

01:08:45.890 --> 01:08:48.930
Well, the one I'm remembering is they said,

01:08:48.990 --> 01:08:51.170
well, it was to end the conference.

01:08:51.370 --> 01:08:53.470
To end the conference, let's all just

01:08:54.750 --> 01:08:57.290
grab on and we'll all pray for each other

01:08:57.290 --> 01:08:58.030
unitedly.

01:08:58.750 --> 01:09:00.930
He said, that's where you got it, right there.

01:09:01.530 --> 01:09:03.910
He said, you picked up a spirit right there

01:09:03.910 --> 01:09:06.250
and it lodged in you and you brought it home

01:09:06.250 --> 01:09:07.110
and now it's bound determined.

01:09:07.770 --> 01:09:09.150
He said, this is simple.

01:09:10.730 --> 01:09:12.790
He said, I know what it is and where it came from.

01:09:12.950 --> 01:09:15.350
He said, so he said, I just addressed it.

01:09:15.490 --> 01:09:16.630
He said, this is who you are.

01:09:16.730 --> 01:09:17.730
Up it came.

01:09:19.570 --> 01:09:21.390
Talked all God's language.

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Oh, this is such a wonderful lady

01:09:26.430 --> 01:09:28.610
and she is going to be used for God

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so greatly and blah, blah, blah.

01:09:31.370 --> 01:09:35.090
It was a religious spirit to the core.

01:09:35.770 --> 01:09:37.010
Talked all the language.

01:09:37.150 --> 01:09:38.930
Finally he said, you are a demon.

01:09:39.150 --> 01:09:40.410
You are not of my kingdom

01:09:41.550 --> 01:09:43.970
and you got in here and you need to leave.

01:09:44.510 --> 01:09:46.250
Well, now talk a little different language

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because when you get them angry

01:09:47.810 --> 01:09:49.350
and they get found out

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then they always cuss at you.

01:09:52.850 --> 01:09:53.650
Blankety, blankety.

01:09:54.070 --> 01:09:54.850
He said, just get out.

01:09:55.230 --> 01:09:56.890
And he said the lady had already repented

01:09:56.890 --> 01:09:58.490
for doing something. It was an ignorance.

01:09:58.690 --> 01:09:59.090
She didn't know.

01:10:00.050 --> 01:10:02.070
And it left and then he told her.

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He said, if you're going to lay hands on

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either make sure you're protected

01:10:08.830 --> 01:10:10.370
or don't lay hands on.

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Don't just let any yahoo come along

01:10:12.770 --> 01:10:13.650
and lay hands on you

01:10:15.070 --> 01:10:16.570
because when we're

01:10:16.570 --> 01:10:18.730
believing for a transfer

01:10:18.730 --> 01:10:20.030
of spiritual power

01:10:21.650 --> 01:10:22.890
whatever is in them

01:10:22.890 --> 01:10:24.990
may decide to piggyback

01:10:25.850 --> 01:10:27.590
and it's not being filtered out.

01:10:27.890 --> 01:10:30.890
So yes, to answer that question

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there is a difference with what we do

01:10:32.470 --> 01:10:33.590
and there's only one.

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It's because Mary and I know that's how it works

01:10:36.210 --> 01:10:38.230
and we are in agreement it will never

01:10:38.230 --> 01:10:40.490
happen here or at TBO

01:10:40.490 --> 01:10:42.350
ever. Period.

01:10:42.870 --> 01:10:44.830
So we're binding it. We're saying no to it.

01:10:44.910 --> 01:10:47.030
Saying yes to everything God wants to do.

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You have at it.

01:10:48.830 --> 01:10:50.350
But anything or the other kingdom

01:10:50.350 --> 01:10:51.410
absolutely no.

01:10:55.030 --> 01:10:57.210
So that would be why it says

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don't just suddenly lay hands on someone

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and pray for them.

01:10:59.830 --> 01:11:00.450
I believe so.

01:11:00.830 --> 01:11:02.310
Okay, that would make sense.

01:11:02.630 --> 01:11:05.490
I have kind of a more like a question

01:11:05.490 --> 01:11:07.790
so I encountered a situation

01:11:07.790 --> 01:11:09.570
and I just didn't know how to handle it.

01:11:11.230 --> 01:11:13.550
I just had some woman just be like

01:11:14.450 --> 01:11:15.310
she's like you know

01:11:15.310 --> 01:11:17.270
I will only tell you this right

01:11:17.270 --> 01:11:19.550
and she was telling me about how she was in a park

01:11:19.550 --> 01:11:20.450
and all of a sudden

01:11:20.950 --> 01:11:23.350
she felt this being next to her right

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and she's like okay who are you

01:11:25.230 --> 01:11:27.650
and she's like give me three signs whatever

01:11:28.110 --> 01:11:30.010
and she was like I think it was my mom

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and I'm in my head I'm like that ain't your mama

01:11:32.650 --> 01:11:33.610
that's not your mama

01:11:33.610 --> 01:11:35.250
like she's ever in heaven

01:11:35.250 --> 01:11:36.670
or she's in hell right now

01:11:36.670 --> 01:11:38.030
like there's one or the other.

01:11:38.210 --> 01:11:41.530
That's what I said actually

01:11:41.530 --> 01:11:43.390
because I was like so this is what I said

01:11:43.390 --> 01:11:44.790
because she's like then

01:11:44.790 --> 01:11:46.870
this thing pushed me on the swings

01:11:46.870 --> 01:11:48.370
and she's like it was really nice

01:11:48.370 --> 01:11:49.910
and I was like yep this is my mom

01:11:49.910 --> 01:11:52.130
and she's like but then it pushed me too hard

01:11:52.130 --> 01:11:53.930
and then I was like nope can't be my mom

01:11:53.930 --> 01:11:56.110
would never do that and I was like okay number one

01:11:56.110 --> 01:11:57.930
I was like your mom is not

01:11:57.930 --> 01:11:59.310
on earth walking around

01:11:59.850 --> 01:12:01.350
she's either in heaven or in hell

01:12:01.350 --> 01:12:02.810
we had to go over that a couple times

01:12:03.750 --> 01:12:05.410
and I was like that was probably

01:12:05.410 --> 01:12:06.890
something called a familiar spirit

01:12:06.890 --> 01:12:08.490
where it's been in your generations

01:12:09.950 --> 01:12:11.310
she's like well I'm scared

01:12:11.310 --> 01:12:12.570
like I'm scared you know

01:12:12.570 --> 01:12:14.310
and I was like

01:12:16.450 --> 01:12:17.250
here's the thing

01:12:17.250 --> 01:12:19.290
she also has like some mental illness problems

01:12:19.290 --> 01:12:21.530
but she also I know

01:12:21.530 --> 01:12:26.250
No, that's why like when we were talking about that, I had a question there, but then I was like running around, right?

01:12:26.770 --> 01:12:38.950
Um, and I, here's the thing is like, she's a lesbian, like she, she has sin, right? She has ground for these demons to come in. She's full of fear, right?

01:12:39.270 --> 01:12:44.610
And it's like, how do you, how do you help that person? And because then I was like...

01:12:44.610 --> 01:12:45.810
She saved. Do you know if she saved?

01:12:45.810 --> 01:12:53.810
See, here's the thing. She, she did accept Christ at TBO, but...

01:12:54.570 --> 01:12:56.910
Help her grow. That would be my first...

01:12:56.910 --> 01:12:57.790
I don't have contact with her anymore.

01:12:58.130 --> 01:13:03.270
Okay. That would be my first thing to answer the question. What do you do? Help them grow.

01:13:03.510 --> 01:13:09.990
So what I said to her is, well, the truth is, is that Jesus is the name above every other name, no matter what.

01:13:10.830 --> 01:13:17.610
I can't fight this for you, but I do know that you can read the word of God, which is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword.

01:13:17.650 --> 01:13:19.290
And it will come in and divide you out.

01:13:20.010 --> 01:13:27.470
And I was like, and as you're praying and saying, like, and I was told to like read the Bible, like, you know, that's, that's your sword.

01:13:27.590 --> 01:13:30.210
You don't read your Bible. You can't fight. That's just the truth of it.

01:13:30.730 --> 01:13:33.310
And I was encouraging her in that space.

01:13:34.870 --> 01:13:42.350
And then I was like, I had offered to pray with her, but then, you know, she changed subject, which is weird, but whatever.

01:13:42.550 --> 01:13:47.350
And I just didn't know what to do after that because you hit half of it.

01:13:47.850 --> 01:13:48.690
What do you do?

01:13:49.010 --> 01:14:00.870
The other half that I would do. And if you want to add anything to this, Mayor, the other half that I would do is encourage her not to invite or talk to an invisible being that she can sense is there or feel is there, whatever.

01:14:01.650 --> 01:14:07.850
Let's leave that alone. Let's grow. Let's develop. Let's become more solid as a Christian.

01:14:08.290 --> 01:14:12.930
Then we'll start going with talking to the Holy Spirit or things like that.

01:14:13.570 --> 01:14:16.530
But right up front, just kind of let that go.

01:14:17.530 --> 01:14:19.470
You want to add anything to that or is that it?

01:14:20.490 --> 01:14:20.530
Okay.

01:14:21.870 --> 01:14:26.130
Because yeah, she needs to separate herself from engaging, welcoming.

01:14:26.690 --> 01:14:28.230
I don't have contact with her anymore.

01:14:29.670 --> 01:14:33.130
Well, if she comes back around, you'll have another chance.

01:14:33.570 --> 01:14:37.810
All right, we're way over time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for spending some time here. We'll talk to you again.