I think I would like to go back if we don't have too many questions.
I would like to go back to Ezekiel and Isaiah and talk about them a little bit and what those
scriptures are.
But first we'll go with whatever questions we have because we've got a little time here.
We can still do this.
So I'm going to go to Isaiah and get it started here and then we can go.
Anybody have a question?
We got one up in the sound booth, so let's go there.
Okay, so hopefully I won't get in trouble for this, but we were created
to save the world and bring salvation.
Why do we spend all of our time preaching the gospel to humans and none preaching
to the demons and the fallen angels trying to get them saved?
Very good question. Well, Jesus did tell us to preach the gospel to all creation
and the spirit realm is a creation.
So he did include them. At some point in the next booklet I will go in depth on
what we just talked about here of was Jesus sacrificed capable of saving fallen angels
and demons too. We're going to talk about that. We're going to try to answer that question.
The thing now, and we can go there,
if you can follow me on the screen would be great. We're going to go to Ephesians.
This is how God wants the demonic realm to see what's going on.
Let's see. I'm not prepared to find these scriptures. So let's see if I can find them quickly and easily.
Ephesians.
Let's read chapter three.
And then we'll go to Colossians one.
He does want the gospel and the wisdom of God shown to the demonic realm.
The interesting part is who's supposed to show it.
And again in the future we'll go into this in depth. I just want to answer the question now.
Ephesians chapter three verse 10. I'm reading out of the NIV.
His intent was that now through the church.
Ooh. Through the church. The manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities
not on earth, the ones in the heavenly realms.
According to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord.
He wants him to see his eternal purpose. Well, what was his eternal purpose? Well, Jesus was slain from the foundation of the earth.
So we don't know how far back that plan was. But by the time the earth came around, it was already a plan.
Because Lucifer had fallen. By the time Genesis one, two came around, it was already a plan. Because Lucifer had already fallen.
And he wants all the principalities and powers of the heavenly realm.
To see God's wisdom and his plan through us.
That's as far as I'll go with that tonight.
We will deal with that in depth down the road here a bit in the next book. But to answer the question.
The demonic fallen angelic realm should
see what God wants for them by seeing what God wants and is doing in us.
What he wants for us and what he's doing in us.
He wants them to see his eternal purpose and the wisdom, his wisdom.
So I think that they're supposed to see this.
So we'll talk about that in the future.
There's a couple three scriptures that make it really really plain.
God wants them to see what's going on in the salvation realm.
All right, Monty.
Okay, the question that my kids ask me at TBO was
can Satan be saved?
No.
Okay, well I told him I'd have to ask you because I didn't think so, but I wanted to make sure.
There's three that are named who can never receive salvation.
Satan, false prophet, and the antichrist.
All three of them are doomed.
Period.
They can never be saved.
We don't know the whole story behind that whole thing because the character of God is to forgive.
So apparently, you know, Paul talked about the fact you can cross a line
and forgiveness is no longer available.
Apparently, all one of them has in the other two will.
blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, the unpardonable sin.
Those three for sure.
Now there could be a whole lot more, but those three for sure, they can never be saved.
Can't happen.
So I would just add two more to the list, death and Hades, also thrown into the lake of fire.
Now what's interesting about that, and here's a side thought, it's a whole side tangent,
but God never created anything that was dead.
Everything that God created was a living entity, a living thing, even wisdom,
which we look at as well.
It's just thinking stuff.
No wisdom is a living being according to Proverbs.
I'm considering death and Hades to be living beings.
The cultural picture of death, of course, is Graham Reaper.
Living fallen angels, assumedly, that are in charge of things in the realm of death
and of Hades being more of almost like a warden or something.
Yeah, and even if they're not living beings, they're creation that has life in them.
For instance, we look at the earth and we say, well, it's dead.
No, the earth isn't dead.
Earth is very much alive.
That's how I can make things grow.
If it would be released from its curse, Jesus said even the rocks would talk.
They would sing.
They would speak.
You go into the Old Testament, they used to pile up rocks and then make agreements
by those rocks, make covenants by those rocks and the rocks were witnesses of that covenant.
So the rocks could testify to the fact that that agreement or covenant was made.
Was it in this class that I shared about the young girl who her parents were killed
and they pulled the sound out of the bricks?
Was that in this class?
No?
Okay, so I'm going to share it now.
So it gets in this class.
Going along with nothing is dead.
Everything is alive.
It's not necessarily a living being like me, but it's all alive.
God didn't create any death.
Everything was alive that he created.
Now, a whole bunch of it's been brought under the curse on the earth.
And it does not function the way it's supposed to function.
That's in bondage.
That's why Romans 8 talks about it, looking for the sons of the sons of man,
the Christians, to come and set it free from that bondage.
And I think we're probably failing quite a bit on that one.
But we've been given that authority.
It's just something we haven't really explored much.
But this is a story, the first girl that we had,
when we were in Colorado, we did therapeutic foster care.
The first girl that we had.
And you won't know who this is.
And I don't think there's any records, any place that you could ever figure it out.
So I'm not throwing anybody under the bus here.
But first girl we had when she was
nine, eight, nine, something like that.
Her father killed...
Yeah, it was the first girl.
I want to make sure I got the story right.
As far as I remember, it was the first girl.
If Mary was here, I could verify it.
But let's go with it.
I believe it's the first girl.
Her father killed her mother in the house
while her and her brother were sitting out in the kitchen.
And he followed her.
They were living in an old house.
Bonnie, you could verify it.
Mike, do I got it right so far?
Because you remember the story too.
You were part of it.
Father was angry with the mother.
The mother was pregnant.
I don't know what was all going on.
He followed her into the bathroom.
And he stabbed her 20-some times, I believe.
It was a lot.
Just stabbed her and stabbed her and stabbed her to kill her.
And then he stabbed himself,
but he didn't stab himself in enough vital places.
He lived through it.
Anyway, so they're out here hearing all this screaming
and he's killing her and she's begging him not to
and this, that and the other.
And then all of a sudden it went quiet.
So the girl runs around outside and crawls up on something
to look in the bathroom window
and she sees both of them laying on the floor bloody mess.
So she ran and got help.
And that's how the police and everything got involved.
So they cleaned all that up and, you know,
the powers that be came and took care of all of that.
And I believe it was the next day
the social worker shared the story with us.
Which was again a retraumatization of the girl.
But the next day the social worker said someone from,
I believe it was the FBI, showed up with a box.
They set the box on the table
and they took something out of it
and this, that and the other.
And they went into the bathroom.
The bathroom, it was an old home.
So the bathroom wall was just a plain brick wall.
Brick on the outside, brick on the inside.
Solid rock wall, brick wall.
And they put their instrumentation on it.
This, that and the other and did some things.
And then came back out, sat by the table
and proceeded to play back.
They recorded it out of the brick.
The previous day's events.
And they played it back for the girl
and she became a witness to her father killing her mother
because they could hear the voices.
They could hear everything that was said.
They could understand the voices.
They said, they played someone.
They stopped.
They said, do you recognize those voices?
She said, yes, that's my father, my mother.
They played a little more and they said, they stopped it.
And they said, do you know what happened here?
She said, yes, that is what happened yesterday.
That's what I heard yesterday
when my father was killing my mother.
And they played it through.
They pulled the entire event, voices intact
out of the brick.
This was back in...
This would have had to be back late 70s or early 80s.
Some place in that time realm.
They had that capability.
You and I don't know about it,
but they had that capability back then.
So can you imagine what they've got now?
The rocks in the Old Testament
who were set up for a witness, literally recorded
and could be played back, so to speak.
They could testify to the agreements that were made.
Like, for instance, when the two tribes
stayed out of the Promised Land and the other 10 went in,
the two outside said, well, you won't abandon us.
And da-da-da-da.
So they, leaders came back out.
They set up a pile of rocks to verify.
They would stay and defend each other
and they'd work with each other.
And they made that agreement in front of the rocks.
And the rocks were the witness or the testimony to that agreement.
Which Jesus verified, well, rocks can talk.
Because he said, if you don't, on his way into Jerusalem,
if you don't let these people praise me, the rocks will.
So rocks can speak.
Rocks understand what's going on around them.
Rocks can remember
even when the rocks are kind of like artificial rock, they're bricks.
Isn't that wild?
So it's, what were we talking about that got us on that?
Anybody remember?
Oh, God created everything alive.
Yes.
There's one example.
There could be, I can give you many examples.
Like, God talks about the trees in a certain way.
That they understand what's going on.
And when they see good things happening, they rejoice.
And he refers to it as they clap their hands.
Trees understand what plants, let's go with plants.
Plants understand what we say to them.
That's why the study that was done a few years back by Ikea,
in public schools where they took two identical plants,
set them up in public schools and covered them.
So they, you know, they were under glass.
And took care of them exactly the same.
And one of them, all the students were told to speak very evil to it.
We hate you. We don't like you. Wish you were dead.
You're ugly.
And the other plant they were supposed to speak very nice to.
We love you. We appreciate you.
Thank you for living.
All kinds of good things.
Within two weeks, they were treated the same way.
Physically, water, food, etc.
Within two weeks, this one that was being cursed died.
And the other one was healthy.
Why? Because plants can understand.
They're not a dead thing.
They're a living thing.
And everything that God created is living.
It's alive. Nothing dead.
That's how we got on that.
Anyway, any more questions?
Okay, follow me back to Isaiah.
Let's go over this.
I just want you to be able to see this.
Isaiah chapter 14.
And then we'll look at Ezekiel 28.
I'll read...
Oh, I got the NIV here.
I can go...
Let's go New King James on this one,
just for the fun of doing something different.
Verse number nine.
Hell from beneath is excited about you
to meet you at your coming.
It stirs up the dead for you.
See, so right there.
Now stop and think about the way that's worded.
Hell is excited about you.
Tell me, hell's dead, has no intellect,
has no understanding, has nothing.
How can God write that about something
that has no intellect, concept, no understanding?
Hell is a living something.
Because it is excited about Satan showing up,
as we read on.
To meet you at your coming,
it stirs up the dead for you.
So hell is doing things all on its own.
All the chief ones of the earth.
That's who the dead are.
It has raised up from their thrones
all the nations, all the kings of the nations.
They all shall speak and say to you,
have you also become as weak as we?
Have you become like us?
Your pomp is brought down to Sheol.
Now Sheol is not hell.
Hades is hell.
So just to remind you of Luke chapter 16,
you've got the big compartment.
This is how it used to be.
It's not this way anymore.
You've got the big compartment in the earth called Sheol.
On one side was paradise,
where those who believed in God went,
Abraham and children of Israel, etc.
On the other side was Hades,
where all the unbelievers and those went.
And there was a great gulf fixed between the two of them.
They couldn't cross back or forth.
Remember the rich guy went to hell?
And Lazarus went to the other side.
They could see each other,
but they couldn't cross back and forth.
So what he's saying is here,
your pomp is brought down to Sheol.
So we're talking this big compartment.
So everything that Lucifer was
is now reduced down to this realm.
And the sound of your stringed instruments,
the maggot is spread under you and worms cover you.
So it's gotten nasty.
So who in the world are we talking about?
Verse 12.
How are you falling from heaven, O Lucifer,
son of the morning?
How are you cut down to the ground?
You who weaken the nations.
For you have said in your heart,
I will ascend into heaven.
So now before he sinned and got cast down,
here is what he said.
I will ascend into heaven.
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God.
So you've got,
he had a throne.
He had authority.
He had power.
He was going to exalt it above either
the physical stars and go into heaven itself,
or the stars could be talking about
all the other angelic realm,
like it says in Revelation 12,
that his tail drew down a third of the stars.
Either way, his authority,
he was going to magnify and exalt it above everything else.
And he would sit on the mount of the congregation
on the farthest sides of the norm.
So he was going to exalt himself.
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds.
So there were clouds on that first earth.
I will be like the most high.
See, God was authority, was above all his creation.
He said,
I'm going to exalt myself above all them too
and be like him.
Yet you have been brought down to shield,
to the lowest depths of the pit.
Those who see you will gaze at you
and consider you saying,
is this the man who made the earth tremble,
who shook kingdoms?
Well, so now when did that happen?
When has Lucifer made the earth tremble?
To our knowledge,
the only time that happened is Luke 10,
when he was cast out of heaven
and utterly destroyed the earth.
Well, that would have made everything shake.
Stop and think about the force.
He had a hip.
You just think about that.
I don't know what kind of being
or creation as a cherubim he is.
But they say, you know,
a small speck of dust,
if it's going fast enough
and runs into the front of a train going this way,
will stop the whole thing dead right there.
It's physics.
It's just this has to be going fast enough
that a small speck of dust can stop a train
right where it's at,
even though a train is way, way, way, way heavy.
But it's got to be going really fast.
Well, when it says that, Jesus said,
I saw you fall from heaven like lightning.
Well, he's trying to describe to the disciples,
lightning is like...
Lucifer was going so fast when he hit the earth
that it was like, you know,
we picture now the asteroids and stuff
hitting the earth and destroying the whole earth.
That's what happened.
Lucifer hit the earth that hard, that fast,
that he destroyed the whole thing.
So, the only time that I know of...
Let me find it here.
What verse were we in?
Verse 16.
Is this the man who made the earth tremble
and shook kingdoms?
The only time I know of that he made the earth tremble
is when he destroyed it,
when he was cast out of heaven.
Well, at the same time, he shook kingdoms.
So, there were kingdoms on the earth
who made the world as a wilderness.
Well, there we go.
See, it wasn't created to be like that.
We read that out of Isaiah 45-18.
It was not created to be like a wilderness,
empty, desolate void.
He made it that way and destroyed its cities.
So, there were cities before the fall.
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?
Let me read that in the anti-civilization.
The end of 17, just to see how that reads.
The man who made the world a desert,
who overthrew its cities,
and would not let his captives go home.
Bengal.
Who were his captives at this point?
Where is home?
Well, who created them?
God.
All those inhabitants,
and we'll read more about them here in a bit in Ezekiel,
all those inhabitants,
he captivated.
He put them like in prison.
You're not going back to this, God.
All the kings of the nations lie in state,
each in his own tomb.
So, is he saying there were nations here
before Lucifer's fall?
There were cities here.
There were clouds here.
There was beings here.
But you are cast out of your tomb
like a rejected branch.
You are covered with the slain,
with those pierced by the sword,
those who descend to the stones of the pit.
Now, is that after Adam and Eve,
or was that before?
I don't know.
Like a corpse trampled underfoot,
you will not join them in burial,
for you have destroyed your land
and killed your people.
Oh, so there was some kind of creation here.
It wasn't human, but they were his people.
That's how the scripture describes it in the NIV.
There were lands here,
and there were people here,
and he destroyed it all.
The offspring of the wicked
will never be mentioned again.
So, now let's jump over to Ezekiel
and read his account.
Ezekiel 28.
We'll start in at verse number 11.
Now, this is talking about...
Let's start it,
and then we can talk about it.
I'll just stay in the NIV.
It says,
The word of the Lord came to me,
son of man,
take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre,
and say to him,
this is what the sovereign Lord says.
So, this is like a dual prophecy,
but as we get into it,
you're going to see it can't be about a human being.
So remember in Revelation,
where Jesus was upset with one of the churches,
because their church was where the seat
or the throne of Satan was,
and they were not living overcomingly.
And you said,
why would you God expect them to live overcomingly?
Because we are in the God class.
And Jesus restored all authority back to us.
So there's no reason in God's perspective
that a human being can't live above
and overcome anything Satan offers them,
even if he's right there with them.
Makes no difference.
We are above that.
We've been redeemed, created,
we're seated at the right hand of God in authority.
I mean, so Jesus got very upset with the church
that was not living overcomingly
even though they were right where Satan had his throne.
Now, scholars guess that's Babylon.
That's old Babylon.
So this church was in the realm of old Babylon,
and that's where Satan's throne is,
old Babylon area,
which is Persia, Middle East,
that realm over there.
Some place he has his seat of authority.
Let's just say it that way.
So what they're saying is the king of Tyre ruled the area
where Satan was actually the ruler over the king.
The king was like a puppet to Satan.
Same way as in Revelation,
the people were following what Satan wanted
because they were living where his throne was.
Here, the king of Tyre was the puppet under Satan
because this description does not fit a human being.
So read on with me.
This is what the sovereign Lord says.
You were the model of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
Well, that's a stretch for any human being right there.
But the next one really nails it.
You were in Eden,
the Garden of God.
Well, the king of Tyre was never in Eden,
the Garden of God.
So we know now there's only one he can be speaking to.
Has to be in the fallen class of the demonic,
fallen angels, Satan.
He'll go on here and describe them,
which lets us know exactly who it was.
Every precious stone adorns you
and then it lists off a number of stones.
Your settings and mountings were made of gold
on the day you were created.
They were prepared.
You were anointed as a guardian cherub.
Oh, so this being is in the cherubim class.
We're in the God class.
This being is in the cherubim class.
The cherubim class is a high ruling class in heaven,
a certain class of created beings
that is a high ruling class.
They oversee many of the really holy,
holy, holy things.
That's why the Ark of the Covenant,
where the mercy seat was and the blood that was put there
for the forgiveness or the covering of the people's sins,
you had two cherubim covering that
with their wings spread towards each other.
And the mercy seat was underneath their wings
as they faced each other.
Because cherubim were of a very high class,
they oversaw the very holiest of things.
Lucifer was in that class.
He was a guardian cherub,
which is a type of that class of being.
He said, I ordained you.
That that's you were anointed and ordained
to be a guardian cherub.
Which means this weren't a common angel down here.
This was someone created with a lot of authority
in his original creation.
Okay, so he describes this holiness a little bit.
You were on the holy mount of God,
which that's a whole sermon in of itself.
What does the Old Testament say the holy mount of God is?
Well, that's where God lives.
That's where God dwells.
That's where he exhibits who he is.
Lucifer was right there with him.
You walked among the fiery stones
or the stones that burn with fire.
Now the one explanation of that that makes the most sense to me
is the building blocks of creation.
The very atom
is... I've never seen one.
I've never seen how they work.
But they say they are the electrical charge
and everything they work with.
It's like they have a fire of their own.
The very building blocks of the atoms,
the quarks or whatever, that realm.
Well, he walked in the middle of when that stuff was created.
He was a holy, holy thing.
He was right in the middle of it.
You were blameless.
So he was a guardian cherub.
They watched over the very holiest things of God.
Verse 15.
You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created to wickedness was found in you.
So he was perfect until sin was found in him.
Through your widespread trade,
you were filled with violence and you sinned.
Now stop and think about that.
I'm going to read it from the Amplified.
Through the abundance of your commerce,
you were filled with lawlessness and violence
and you sinned.
Commerce with who?
Commerce with what?
Well, Isaiah 14 gave us an idea.
There were cities, there were beings,
there was all kinds of people on earth,
but this could have went well beyond earth.
What are all involved?
I don't know.
He just says,
you were involved in commerce
and you didn't do it righteously.
You got lawless in it and violent in it and you sinned.
Therefore, I cast you out as a profane thing
from the mountain of God
and the guardian cherub,
so one of his own class drove you out
of the midst of the stones of fire,
is how the Amplified reads it.
So he was on the mountain of God with God,
right there in God's holiest area,
and he was right in the middle
of the building blocks of creation.
God threw him off his mountain
or out of his mountain
and another one of his own class,
a guardian cherub,
drove him out of the holy realm
of God's creating and creation.
So now I'll go back to the New King James.
Verse 17,
your heart was lifted up because of your beauty.
So he's a very beautiful being.
You corrupted your wisdom
for the sake of your splendor,
so he got proud of his looks.
Now isn't it interesting that on earth
everything revolves around looks?
Isn't that interesting?
Where do you think that idea came from?
How we look is everything.
Whether we're accepted,
whether we're rejected,
whether we're popular,
whether we're a role model,
whether we're a movie star or not,
it's looks is at the base of the whole thing.
Well, Lucifer was extremely good looking.
Had a lot of splendor or glory.
In how he looked and he got proud.
And in his pride,
he started taking advantage of the commerce he was over.
And he started breaking the law
or the laws of how this commerce ran
and violence broke out because of it.
But verse 17,
your heart was lifted up because of your beauty.
You corrupted your wisdom
for the sake of your splendor.
I cast you to the ground.
So now stop and hear this.
I cast you to the ground.
I laid you before kings.
What kings?
The kings of that original earth
who were here under his rule.
I cast you to the ground.
I laid you before kings
that they might gaze at you.
You defiled your sanctuaries
by the multitude of your iniquities.
So he had sanctuaries.
What does that mean?
I'm not totally sure.
The amplified reads it this way.
You have profaned your sanctuaries
by the multitude of your iniquities
and the enormity of your guilt.
So I don't know what sanctuaries means there.
Give me a second.
Let's see what strong says it is.
It's Ezekiel 2817, I believe it was.
Was it 18?
Defiled by sanctuaries.
Strong says the word sanctuaries means
a concentrated thing or place,
especially a palace or a sanctuary or asylum.
Like a chapel or a holy place.
So apparently there were sanctuaries on the earth
that were destroyed when he was cast out of heaven.
Let's read on.
Verse 18, by your many sins, this is the NIV,
and dishonest trade, you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you.
So he literally blew up from the inside out with fire.
And it consumed you.
I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
So we could have angels watching there.
We could have fallen angels watching there.
We could have people from the first earth
or creatures from the first earth watching.
It doesn't say he was watching, but it does say this.
All the nations who knew you are appalled at you.
Now were those nations heavenly nations?
Were those nations on earth?
We knew there was nations on earth
because it says that he laid them out in front of their kings.
You have come to a horrible end and will be no more.
So there are the scriptures that go back to...
There was a pre-adamic civilization or civilizations living on earth.
I mean, it's pretty plain between those two sets of scriptures.
And they were destroyed with him.
If they were in any kind of physical body,
they weren't human because we were made in the God class.
But they could have had physical bodies,
animals have physical bodies.
They lived before Adam and Eve because God just called them back.
And they had physical bodies.
So it's possible whatever class of being this was
before the fall, they had physical bodies.
Well, when everything was destroyed, they were disembodied.
So now you got all these spirits running around
looking for a body to get into.
Hence, our demons.
I don't know if that's necessarily needed
to understand all that, to cast a demon out.
But it only takes a matter of time.
People ask the questions anyway.
So we might also just answer.
A couple more questions will be done for the night.
So let me ask you this.
So we went a big way around the bush.
Was that okay?
We talked about a lot of stuff behind the scenes kind of stuff
to answer the question.
Well, who are demons?
Where do they come from?
Go ahead, Walt.
Have you ever considered the way that tenses in the Bible
aren't always the way we expect them to be?
Where the past tense comes out when it hasn't been done yet.
But it's as if it already has been done.
Have you ever considered that it may be talking
about a future event with him being cast down
and revelations making it more of a present tense event?
Considered that.
Now you went a whole nother direction.
I've got a message I did that Brother Caseman studied out
and it was so good I said I got to preach that.
Talking about what did Jesus do between his ascension
and the giving of the Holy Spirit?
That 10-day period.
What happened in that 10-day period?
And you'll have to listen to the message.
But he laid it all out.
Not my research, his.
I just copied it, represented it.
He laid it all out.
That in that 10-day period of time,
part of taking captivity captive,
what they would do, kings of that time,
when they conquered another king,
they would bring them and parade them.
Before all who could see, they are now conquered.
And when it says he took captivity captive
and took it to heaven, that also,
according to this understanding, was Lucifer
and his angels were defeated now.
So during that 10-day period of time,
part of what happened is they were paraded
through heaven as being the conquered folks.
They didn't like that well.
That was not the favorite thing for them to do.
And a fight broke out right there,
which takes us to them being cast out of heaven
and put on the earth.
So it's a whole big thing.
It's very fascinating to think about.
But there are places where you've got
like dual prophecies.
And like when Jesus was talking about
the destruction of Jerusalem,
it also reaches out into Armageddon.
And it's like he's seeing the same thing twice.
Right in a row.
So that does happen.
But we do know that Lucifer was cast out of heaven
from the earth to the earth.
When he fell, Jesus referred to it.
He said, I saw you, which is the past tense.
So I'm presuming that was when he came to earth
and is not the future thing that took place.
But it's a very good question.
Got your thinking cap on.
Anybody else got anything right up front?
Well, I'm curious about when you said that
Lucifer was a cherubim.
Cherub.
Yep.
Yeah.
In the cherubim class.
Because wasn't he an archangel?
I thought that Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer were.
Archangels, yeah.
It doesn't ever call them an archangel.
And they were debating over the body of Moses.
They were disputing.
Yep.
That's right.
So Michael and Lucifer.
Right.
Or Satan at that point.
Yeah, at that point.
But he had Michael backed off.
I mean, he was, he said, God, you know,
here God, you deal with this.
So I'm just thinking now about,
I'm just curious if he could have been both.
I just don't understand.
My understanding.
Again, if you can find it someplace,
please give it to me.
Because I have looked for it.
Because I was taught the same thing.
Lucifer was an archangel.
There's no place that says it.
I can't find it.
Okay.
Now, I could be missing it.
And that's okay.
If you can find where Lucifer was an archangel,
please give me that scripture.
I can find where he was of the cherubim class
or an anointed cherub.
It says that.
Now the interesting part, the Michael
and Lucifer disputing over the body of Moses.
And Michael backed off and said,
the Lord rebuke you.
What that tells me is Lucifer originally
had higher authority than Michael.
Even though Michael was assigned to be over Israel.
So Moses would have been in that category,
I would have thought.
And Lucifer's authority was over the whole earth.
What do you think about Atlantis?
I want to go there someday.
No, it's not Atlanta.
Atlantis.
Atlantis, yes.
And this is just pure conjecture.
It's my opinion.
I think there was a place called Atlantis.
I believe it was what they describe it as
very, very beautiful, but turned extremely corrupt.
And God sunk it in the ocean.
I believe that's what happened.
I just was curious.
Yep, that's my thinking.
Was it, when was Atlantis, is my question.
See, is Atlantis from Adam and Eve this way?
Or was Atlantis before?
I don't know.
I'm guessing Adam and Eve this way.
But yeah, I think that there was an Atlantis.
There's too much evidence.
There's proof.
There's evidence, but they've never found it.
But cultures, there's too much.
Like for instance, you can go to any culture in the world
and they have no story.
Any culture.
You can go to the ones in Brazil that have never,
they've just discovered some of these tribes.
And they have a story where God flooded the earth
and there was a man that saved the human race.
And they all got different names for him.
And that's fine.
Still the same guy.
They all have that story.
Well, there's numerous cultures that have the story of Atlantis.
And that it was a very rich, wealthy, beautiful city.
It contained the ruling class, but they turned very evil.
Now that could have happened during Nephilim time
because the Nephilim were very evil.
Turned very evil.
And God, the folklore story is God,
the gods became angry with it and sunk it.
Destroyed it.
As it was in the days of Noah.
Boy, now you're going into...
The Nephilim are here.
I mean, there are many tribes of the Nephilim.
The Anacons and the different ones.
They are here.
And they look different.
They had different physical...
Can we talk about that a different week?
Since it's 10 to 9 already?
Because that's a deep subject.
But I'm 100% in agreement with you.
Because Jesus said,
As it was in the days of Noah,
So it shall be in the days of the coming Son of Man.
The biggest problem they had in Noah's time was the Nephilim.
And they were ignoring it.
They were giving in marriage and all the stuff that Jesus describes.
And we're going to do the same thing today.
We're going to ignore the fact that they're here.
And of course now you're going down a road that
is extremely interesting.
But... and a lot of people are researching it.
But there's very little substantial at this point.
However, my theory is,
The Antichrist is going to be part Nephilim.
That's my theory.
Because he's going to have supernatural ability,
just like the Nephilim had.
But we can talk about it in depth.
It's a very... I find it very intriguing and fascinating.
And Jesus wanted us aware of it.
And again, it's an area that either we're not advanced
far enough in time to see them living among us,
or we're just dumb as rocks.
And they're here and we're not seeing them.
Because I believe they are here.
And the abductions, alien abductions,
and all this kind of stuff.
That all plays into this.
There is the evidence of alien abductions,
which are fallen angel demonic abductions,
as far as I'm concerned.
The evidence of them is so overwhelmingly insurmountable
to where they, without people ever meeting each other,
there's a number of people who have gone around the world
and interviewed from all continents and nations around the world,
getting the story from people who felt
they have been abducted by an alien being.
And they all have the same story.
Nobody knows each other.
They're just scattered around the world
and they all have the same story.
Which to me is, how can you do that of it?
I mean, that's like pretty good evidence.
That's what we use for evidence today.
I mean, if there's a car wreck,
the police officers and the investigators
will go ask the people what they saw.
What's the story?
And they'll take the ones that are kind of common
and that becomes what's presented in court.
That's the story.
So why would we accept it today,
but we won't accept their story as being evidence?
It is evidence.
But it's fascinating, but not everybody's interested in it.
I'm interested in it because Jesus told me to be.
He said, you got to be awake
because as it was back there, it's going to be here.
You got to be awake.
So I'm interested in it, but not everybody is.
Of course, not everybody's interested
in the fact that the government's going to hell
in a hand basket either.
Whatever.
You got a question?
Yeah, there might be a can.
Yeah, then we can postpone it and kick it down the road.
You want to ask it?
Go ahead and ask it.
Let's decide if it's a can or not.
I just had a thought.
So incubus and succubus, right?
Yep.
Would they be...
My question is, so...
Does everybody know what incubus and succubus is about?
Okay, could you explain it briefly?
Yeah, so it's basically like...
So that's my question.
Would that be demonic or would it be fallen angel?
Give me your understanding of it, and then I can maybe answer that.
My understanding is that it's like a demonic
potentially fallen angel or a demon that comes and basically claims you as a spouse
and has sex with you.
Yep, that's my understanding too.
Or maybe when you're awake, right?
Because there's been stories of that as well.
My question is like...
I had that thought.
It's like, I wonder if that is fallen angel
or if that is demonic or demons or evil spirits or whatever you want to call it.
Or if it's both that can do that.
Okay, so now we got enough time to go down this rabbit trail.
Do we? Okay.
Here is how I could...
You need the mic because I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions.
Because if you've followed any of these people who have...
And we're amongst adults here, so I think we can say this.
These ladies who have been raped.
These ladies who have felt like they were being impregnated with something, blah, blah, blah.
Okay.
If you followed their stories and listened to what they're saying,
they felt a literal body on them.
To my understanding, demons don't have literal bodies.
You can feel the evil.
You know, if there's a demon in the room, it's like,
something feels evil in here.
But when something comes up and grabs you, that's invisible.
Or holds you or rapes you.
My understanding is they have to have a body to make that happen,
which would put them in the fallen angel class from my understanding.
And sad to say, there's a lot of women who suffer this.
They just never say anything because everybody thinks they're crazy.
That's the best way to say it.
But in prayer lines, I've run into a number of them.
It's crazy.
And you'll talk to them and their eyes will get...
Because the Holy Spirit will show me.
And I'll say, have you or...
I'm going to ask you a private question.
If you don't want to answer it, you don't have to.
But have you ever felt like at night or an invisible being
has tried to have sex with you?
And their eyes will get big and like...
And then somehow some of them will come out with it.
And some of them will say, I don't want to talk about it.
There was one lady in a church in California.
We went to minister to this years ago.
And she was in a...
It was at the end of the service.
And we had called people to the front to pray.
Be prayed over and then pray.
And she was kneeling at the altar.
Lord pointed her out to me.
And said this incubus, succubus things going on with her.
And I want you to stop it for her.
So I got down beside her.
She was kneeling there by the altar.
And I got down beside her.
And I said, if I'm totally wrong, just say it.
I said, but this is what I felt the Lord told me.
That this is what's happening to you.
And I described it in general terms.
And God said he wants it to stop tonight.
So it never happens again.
She looked at me with the most surprised, ghastly look.
I knew it.
I had hit it.
And then she just went into wailing.
Just wailing.
So I prayed over and we put an end to that.
But she was being tormented by this thing.
And when it was all over, she said,
I've never been able to tell anybody
because they would just think I'm crazy making it up.
Unbelievable.
But to me, that's Fallen Angel.
That's not demonic stuff.
That's Fallen Angel stuff.
So you want to add something to that?
Pass that mic on.
You probably don't remember that.
Yeah, you're dating yourself now.
But that was the whole thing.
And that was the beginning of the entrance
and kind of starting to condition.
I mean, it's crazy now when you look at it.
I thought it was crazy when it came out.
I was young, gir, when that movie came out.
But that was the principle.
That was the whole thing.
And if you research the current abduction thing,
which in my opinion is Fallen Angel,
still doing the same thing.
Just a different way.
Same thing.
It's all sexual and reproductive with both men and women.
Coming now into our society.
This is the reason that it's...
See, the first way they did it didn't work.
I mean, these were big freaks.
And they just ruled by brute force.
Now the Fallen Angels are creating a class of beings
that looks just like us.
But they're hybrids and they're Nephilim.
And they're in power, getting in power.
It's a wild thing to study.
Well, there are people who have encountered them
that are believers.
Not personally, one on one, but have been in a place.
And one was a reporter for, I think,
one of the big papers in New York.
And encountered them at a meeting that he had been called to.
To just observe for the paper.
And he walked in and he knew right away that the two that were...
It was kind of like the WEF type of a meeting thing.
And he left.
And he said, I'm done.
He quit the newspaper.
I mean, this is actual.
It's not just that, oh, did you know I heard
that my mother heard someone?
So they were definitely Nephilim guarding.
Have you had done any study on what are they called?
They're a reptile, amphibian class of beings.
I know about them.
It's amazing the number of government officials
who swear that the high level leaders of the world governments
are being advised by these reptilian beings.
And they swear by it.
And they've got nothing to lose but their head.
I mean, they're all retired by the time they speak about it.
Well, a lot of them are the shift shifters.
That's... yep, they can be shift shifters.
They are shape shifters.
Shape shifters, you've got to get in the right order.
Or it's a class of fallen angel that's manifesting.
You know, we think of an amphibious being
as being hideous.
There was nothing hideous that God created.
In the fallen earth, they're hideous.
I'm not crazy about a lot of this garbage.
But in the original creation, an amphibious being
would have been beautiful, gorgeous, just a different class of being.
And then if they'd have fallen, they'd have kept their body
and probably look kind of hideous now.
But there could be a whole class of fallen angels
that are reptilian.
And they're advising the governments, which makes me go,
yeah, see, here we go.
This is that as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be.
This is pieces of that information coming out.
And we're headed in.