Good evening, everybody. Let's open with prayer.
Heavenly Father, thank you for this evening. Thank you for this time we're spending together.
Lord, make it profitable. Help us learn, help us grow, help us advance in what you have for us.
Bring understanding and insight in Jesus' name.
Clarity, clarity, no misunderstandings, no confusion, nothing, but we grow in you and we mature in you in Jesus' name.
Amen. Amen.
Well, good evening. Good evening to those of you live streaming.
Last week we live streamed the Q&A time tonight we're not going to.
So if you have questions, text them to me.
I think everybody's got my text number. Text them to me and we'll be able to answer them and you can listen to them later.
But typically on these sessions, we're not live streaming them because if we end up getting some kind of sensitive question that probably shouldn't be seen around the world, it gives us the ability to edit it out.
So that's what that's all about. Other than that, welcome. We're going to have a good time.
If you have your booklet looks like this. If you don't have one, we're out. We're going to have to make some.
I went to look for them and I didn't see any more. So I think we're out.
But if you have it, turn to page 37.
We are talking about, it's all kind of wrapped up in the general heading of self-deliverance or getting free and staying free.
This booklet is entitled Holding Our Land, Holding Our Temple.
And the idea is not to just get deliverance, but then to stay delivered.
And we've covered a lot of ground. The last couple of sessions, we've been looking at the picture coming out of the Old Testament on the children of Israel
and them taking their land, their physical land, which is the counterpart to us in the New Testament taking our physical land.
Our bodies, our temples, our physical land. They're made of dirt. And we're supposed to conquer them.
The demonic realm will work with our physical body the same way the children of Israel's enemies work with their physical land.
And if they get in there and get us established or foothold, then we have to root them out.
So that's what we're looking at. We're to the point of looking at what Jesus talked about in page 37.
He warned us about holding our land or what can happen if we don't hold our land.
We cannot leave our temple empty, swept and garnished. That's how the King James listed out three different things.
And Jesus said, once you get a spirit out or once you get some deliverance, you can't leave it there because there'll be problems.
So we're going to look at just a piece of this and then we'll go to a PowerPoint.
We'll just look at a little bit here in page 37.
When someone either receives deliverance with another's help and we're going to put that into the next book.
To this point, the first book was Spiritual Warfare. The second book is this one, Holding Our Land.
And the third book, we're going to entitle demonology and the evil spirit world.
We're going to put a bunch of things in there kind of as a catchall to try to answer as many questions cover as much territory as we can.
Right at the beginning of that, we're going to talk about casting demons out of another person.
We haven't talked about that much. We did a little bit in that first booklet.
But we're going to get real specific at the beginning of the next booklet. So that's what this is referring to.
When someone either receives deliverance with another's help, that's us casting demons out of someone else.
Or when they do self-deliverance, which has kind of been the emphasis of this book.
There is a responsibility. They, the recipient, either way, they must assume concerning their house, their land, their temple.
They have to fill it, inhabit it, and occupy it. It cannot be left empty, swept, and garnished, as what Jesus said.
So we got to talk about that a little bit. And this concept goes back to what we learned in Exodus and Deuteronomy.
If our temple is not attended to correctly, wild animals will multiply in it. Wild animals correspondents in the New Testament would be the demonic realm, I believe.
Jesus describes the wild animals as other demons that are worse than the first.
So here's the scripture. We'll read through the scripture. And we're going to use this as a jump off point tonight.
For whatever reason, I feel like we're supposed to go into something that, again, will be laid out in the second book or in the third booklet.
We'll lay it out as we're going to talk about it tonight. But I felt like he wanted me to put it in here for whatever reason.
So we'll talk about it here. So here's the scripture Jesus is referring to or we're referring to where Jesus was speaking.
Matthew 12, 43 to 45.
When the unclean spirit has gone out of a man, he, the unclean spirit, walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
This is King James, we're reading.
Then he, the demon spirit, saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out.
And when he has come, he's coming back to the house, he findeth it empty, swept and garnished.
Then goeth he, that spirit's going to go.
He sees the state of the person or the condition of the person.
And he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself.
And they enter in and dwell there.
The last state of the man is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.
So I want to point out a couple of things and then we're going to go back to verse 43.
Remember one night I talked about an experience, one of the first ones I had where the demon that was manifesting through the person seemed very naive,
very almost non-lethal, non-threatening.
It was so almost childlike that it almost brought up like,
Man, I feel sorry for you. You have no clue what you're doing and why you're doing it.
That is described right here.
Some spirits, verse 45, are more wicked than others.
They're not all the same.
There's some that are just highly, highly toxic.
And then there's a range and it goes down to some who just,
they're just not all that wicked. They're still wicked, but nothing in comparison.
So there is scripture to say, well, some demons are worse than others.
Yeah, the harder ones to get out are the worse ones.
That's why this spirit, we don't know how wicked this spirit was
that Jesus was talking about on a scale of one to ten.
Ten being really highly wicked and one being, well, they're wicked,
but they're just not like that.
We don't know where it fell in there.
But once it got kicked out and found access back in,
it took more wicked spirits than itself back in with it.
Why did it do that? Because it's harder to get it back out.
You've got more of them and you have more wicked ones.
It's trying to ensure it'll stay this time.
That's what it's trying to do.
So that is, that's just kind of a side thought,
but it does reveal a lot of that kingdom if you follow it through.
So go back to verse 43. We're going to jump off here
and talk about demons or unclean spirits or evil spirits.
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places seeking rest and findeth none.
So there's a number of things in that verse that we can see.
First of all, spirits are able to live in a physical body
the same way you and I are a spirit. We live in our physical bodies.
The Holy Spirit is a spirit who can live in the physical body.
And demonic spirits evidently don't need much room
because when Jesus cast out the Legion, that was a lot of them.
There's variations on that, but most agree it was like 6,000.
6,000 spirits in one body.
So they don't need a lot of room, but they can be in people.
When they've gone out of a man, he walketh.
He's wandering, he's moving, he's looking.
Now notice these next two phrases are really interesting.
Walketh through dry places.
The word dry there means water less or dry.
Now this is interesting.
Once they're kicked out of a man, this is not out of a house or out of a building.
Jesus is referring to a man, and that's important because we'll see that later
once we get deeper in the book and we study this.
Demons can... there is such a thing as haunted houses.
There is such a thing as churches that are inhabited.
And it's in the definitions. We'll see it if you haven't read ahead.
We'll see it when we get there. If you read ahead, you'll see it.
This particular case is a man.
Once he left the man, he experienced dryness or waterlessness.
You know why that is?
Because the human body is made up of 75% water.
It's looking for a human body.
It's comfortable in a human body, this spirit.
Okay, that's number one.
And number two, it's seeking rest.
Now if you'll jump ahead just a little bit.
Page 39 and 40, we took that word rest apart.
Bottom of page 39, rest in the strong means intermission
or by implication, recreation or rest.
Taking a break from work.
In the fairs, it means to cause or permit one to cease from any movement or labor
in order to recover and collect his strength.
Now apply that to a demon that got cast out of a person.
Isn't that interesting that when they're cast out,
they don't like the environment of being out of a body
because it's too dry. They like moist.
And number two, they can't find rest outside of a body.
They can't recover, collect their strength.
Rest means to give rest, to refresh, to keep quiet, calm, patient expectation.
If you go up to page 40, fairs continues on there
and says intermission, cessation of any motion, business or labor, rest or recreation.
So in other words, when a demonic spirit is outside of a human body,
they hate it because it's too dry.
And number two, they can't find rest. They can't find relaxation.
They can't just take a break. Why? I don't know what.
He didn't say any more than that. I don't know why.
Is there so much warfare going on out there?
Is there so much competition, so much dog eat dog, so to speak?
When they're outside of the body, they don't have a habitation.
They're just wandering. Anything can happen. I don't know, but they can't find rest out there.
They're always laboring. They're always working, so to speak.
They can't relax. For that reason, they want a person.
Without those two reasons, they like the moisture of a human body.
What's that all about? I can't say I know.
But Jesus said that's what they like because they don't like to be in dry places.
And number two, they can't find rest out there.
In a body, they can take a break and relax, so to speak.
Out there, they can't. They can't find rest.
So right here, I felt I wasn't going to do this, but I felt like, well, this is the spot.
Maybe we should throw in this because at this point, a lot of questions typically come up in the average person's mind of,
okay, what in the world is a demon then?
Because those are some odd qualities, some odd characteristics.
So we're going to talk about what are demons?
This will be laid out in that third booklet, so you don't have to take a lot of notes.
It will be in printed form.
But, and I'm not sure if this particular iPad is going to follow because I forgot to try it before we started.
So let's see if I can get it to load up and do what it's supposed to do.
Okay, it's on Word of Life production, so let's see if it comes up.
It is not.
So can you just follow me along in the slides, if you would please?
What are demons? Where do they come from?
The word demon is not used in Scripture.
It says either devil or evil spirit.
Some of the more modern translations may use it,
but most of the traditional translations, you can't find the word demon.
It's something that we've applied to them.
There are different theories on what are demons and where do they come from,
because nobody knows for sure.
So we're going to look at four of them here in a bit.
Scripturally speaking, let's lay this distinction out.
Scripturally, there's a difference between the angelic realm,
whether they're fallen or not fallen.
Scripture seems to make a difference or divide a line
between the angelic realm and the demonic or the devil realm.
They're not necessarily the same thing scripturally.
There's a lot of scriptural inferences that separate them.
So when we're casting out demons, we're not particularly casting out fallen angels.
That's the overall held belief.
Now, do we know for sure? No.
But that seems to be what Scripture indicates.
Angels have the ability to manifest in this realm without a body.
Angels manifested in the New Testament over a hundred times to different people.
Well, in Scripture, Old and New Testament, angels have appeared to people over a hundred times.
Because angels have a body.
Paul talked about it in 1 Corinthians 15.
Some bodies are earthly or terrestrial bodies like this.
And some bodies are celestial, heavenly bodies.
Angels have a body. That's why they can manifest in this realm and we can see them.
They can talk to us.
Fallen angels can do the same thing.
There's many scriptures to indicate that.
For instance, the whole concept of Nephilim.
The sons of God or the angels had intercourse or mingled with human women.
The fallen angels.
And out of it came Nephilim or very evil people.
Well, there's a number of things stated in.
If you understand that or if you believe that's what happened.
That it was actually fallen angels that copulated with human women and produced Nephilim.
Or these giant, crazy, powerful, unbelievable beings that were back in Noah's time.
That God said, we got to wipe this out.
This can't be allowed to go on.
There's a number of things comes up there.
First of all, you would have to say angels have the ability to reproduce.
Or how did they reproduce with human women?
The DNA must be fairly close because it worked.
They were able to reproduce.
Obviously, the women could see the angel.
And the angel could, whatever their body is, could physically interact with the woman.
And create offspring.
So there's a number of things that pop up right away.
If you read the book, well, we think it's the book of Enoch that was back then.
The one we find online now.
It is referred to in the New Testament.
We know there was a book of Enoch.
If you read the book of Enoch, the one thing that made God angry was these fallen angels had knowledge of what the heavenly realm was like.
And they started giving that knowledge to the human being.
Enoch talks about that.
And all different sorts of things.
From making tools and weapons to make up just all kinds of different things.
And God didn't necessarily want that knowledge to humans or he didn't want it at that time.
And that was one of the things that made him angry.
So let's say that is the actual book of Enoch because as far as we know there's not a different one.
Well, they were teaching humans.
They were interacting with humans.
They were making themselves visible, tangible, operable with human beings.
Fallen angels were.
Well, we know angels can do that.
Because I told you they've appeared to human beings in a bodily form, done different things just in Scripture itself, lists over a hundred times.
Here we have a bunch of examples of fallen angels doing the same thing.
Because angels have bodies.
Whether fallen or not fallen.
Angels have bodies.
And they have the ability to manifest in the physical realm.
There is to my knowledge.
And if you can find something, please help me out and find it for me and I'll add it in.
To my knowledge, there is no evidence scripturally that demons can manifest in the physical realm without a body.
Now, through the discerning of spirits, gift of God, we can see them if God so wills.
You know, some people have seen demons and they can describe them, this, that and the other.
That comes by the Holy Spirit.
The counterpart to that is if you have demonic spirits inside of you and they can access your brain, somehow they can unlock the ability to see into the spirit realm and see demons.
People who are in demon worship or witchcraft, they do it all the time.
And they're not doing it by the Holy Spirit.
They're doing it by a demon spirit.
But a human being without either the Holy Spirit's help or without a demon spirit's help cannot see into the spirit realm to see a demon.
But they can see and interact with a fallen angel if a fallen angel shows up.
Or a real angel, if a real angel shows up.
So there's a distinction between those two realms and who's what and so forth.
Fallen angels seem to be the ones who are the princes, powers and rulers of Ephesians 6 of the kingdom of darkness.
They are the hierarchy who rule and demons are the lower in authority.
They're more the working class or the workforce that this bunch rules over.
Along with that, my experience, this is just my experience, is fallen angels tend to inhabit people or manifest less frequently.
They will shove demons out to do that.
But they don't like to get involved directly because they can end up in the pit.
It's found in Luke chapter 8 verse 31 where you're dealing with the pigs and Jesus casting the legion out.
They begged him not to cast him into the abyss is the King James version.
Most of the traditional versions use the word abyss.
It's referring to the bottomless pit.
Now, demons can be cast there, obviously, or they wouldn't have been begging Jesus not to.
Fallen angels can be held prison or two because the scripture tells us that that early bunch, back in Noah's time,
who cohabitated with women and left their first estate, so to speak, is what it says in King James,
and entered into relations with women at, I'm presuming, the flood period of time.
God took them and bound them. They are under chains.
That doesn't mean all fallen angels are under chains.
That specific group is, though.
So fallen angels can be put in prison, so to speak, the abyss, bottomless pit.
They don't like to go there. They don't want to go there, so very seldom will they manifest through a human being.
That's my understanding from my experience.
Demons have no choice. They're kind of lower in authority, so they're kind of pushed around and told what to do by the fallen angels.
But demons and evil spirits, the devils, King James refers to them as devils, doesn't say demons at all.
They need a physical body to manifest.
They are the ones who want a dwelling or a house or a home.
Fallen angels have a body. That's why they can be chained.
Remember Scripture says that those that were in that original thing with Noah and relations with women, they are chained under darkness.
You can chain something with a body.
So fallen angels have bodies. They're not looking for bodies.
Demons are the ones who are looking to get into another being, because they don't have a body.
They prefer human bodies.
Devils or evil spirits are referred to over 75 times in Scripture.
The reference seems to include both sometimes, but mostly is dwelling on demon, the demonic side, that side.
And they're the ones we encounter the most often.
So, new slide says, everyone agrees they are all spirits.
Everybody I've read agrees. Fallen angels and demons are spirits.
The difference is, fallen angels are not disembodied spirits.
Demons are disembodied. They don't have a body.
Fallen angels come from the angelic realm. They were cast out and fell with Lucifer.
There's a couple of scriptures. That's where they come from. That's their origin.
What are demons? Where do they come from?
Well, in Scripture, they're called devils, familiar spirits, unclean spirits, evil spirits, seducing spirits.
Because of the way they're depicted in Scripture, they are disembodied spirits.
They lived in a body, or they lived in a body sometime before, but now they're disembodied.
I'm trying to paint a picture. What are demons? What are we dealing with?
Because they used to live in a body, now they're disembodied. That's why they want into a human body so badly.
Because out of the body, Matthew 12, 43, it's dry and they can't find any rest.
So there's four theories of where demons came from.
I'll give you all four. I'll tell you what my preference is. You figure it out, what you feel good with.
Number one, they're part of the fallen angels.
Revelation 12, 3, 2, 4, then another sign appeared in heaven, an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his head.
His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.
The dragon is the devil. The dragon stood in front of the woman.
That would be the nation of Israel, who was about to give birth so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.
So here we have a picture or an allegory of what happened when Lucifer fell, which is way back.
That's before the recreation of the earth, before Genesis 1, 2.
And then it jumps all the way up to the birth of Jesus, talking about the same bunch.
The third of the stars is the only reference in scripture where we get the concept that a third of the angels fell with Lucifer.
That's the only place we get it.
So the whole concept here is Lucifer and a third of the angels fell with him.
They tried to prevent Jesus from doing his thing and destroying him from the moment of birth onward, and they couldn't do it.
There's a lot of references to fallen angels, you know, like I gave you a few already in the Old Testament.
There's quite a few. I won't give you any more. I don't think you need any more.
This is the heart of Satan fell or Lucifer fell and he drew a third of the angels out of the sky and flung them to the earth with him.
To the earth, Jesus said in Luke 10, 18, I saw Lucifer fall from heaven and he was thrown to the earth.
So that's how they coordinate everything together.
Now me personally, I don't think fallen angels are demons.
I lean against it because fallen angels are not disembodied.
They don't need another body.
Fallen angels have the ability to manifest themselves in the physical realm in the body they have.
They are not looking to get inside of people.
There's just a number of things why I don't think fallen angels are demons.
I think they're a whole different breed of creation.
So theory number two, the Nephilim.
Genesis chapter six, this is the first place we hear of it.
Verse one, when men began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them,
the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful and they married any of them they chose.
The Lord said, my spirit will not contend with man forever for he is mortal.
His days will be 120 years.
The Nephilim or the great ones, another definition for that.
We're on the earth in those days and also afterwards.
Now notice that, please, because we find them after the flood.
They showed up again numerous times.
That's why when the Israelites were taking back the promised land,
there were certain groups of people, God said, destroy them all.
Man, woman and child, destroy them all.
Goliath was a Nephilim.
He had six fingers, six toes.
He was not normal.
A huge man, 12 feet tall, which was still little because they have found skeletons of Nephilim
or human-like beings who stood and walked on two legs, bipods like we are, that were 35 feet tall.
They have skeletons and it's like, okay, so Goliath was still little compared to them.
But Goliath was not a normal human being, so to speak.
There were different Nephilim things happening after the flood.
And God said it right here.
And the Nephilim were on the earth in those days, what days, Noah's days.
And also afterward, when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children with them,
they were the heroes of old, men of renown.
Okay, so these people were like superhuman.
Not only in size, but in ability and all kinds of things.
They were heroes. They were very well known. They were renowned.
They were an angelic spirit, which is a spirit being.
And a human, which is also a spirit being, mixture.
So even though they had physical bodies like we do, they were spirit beings like we are.
We're a spirit and a human body. They were too.
Only with us, it's a man and a woman of the same creative class, human,
who create a child, a spirit in a body.
There we have a fallen angel class and a human class creating offspring or a child.
That child is going to be a spirit, but it's going to be a mixture of a fallen angel and human.
So it's a hybrid. It's referred to as a nephilim.
So here's the problem.
We don't know how many people were around when the flood was.
They have no real way of estimating.
But it was a lot.
From my understanding, half of the human race's timeline on earth is from Genesis 1 to Genesis 12.
For sure, half of the timeline is right there.
Some even bring it back to Noah and they said he lived around 3000 BC.
So they're saying half of the human race's existence between Noah and Abraham,
some place in there, half of our time on earth was there,
and the other half is from Noah Abraham to present.
So there was a lot of time and a lot of stuff going on in those first few chapters of Genesis that we know nothing about.
If they had 3, 4, 5, 6,000 years, we don't know how much they had.
If they had that much time to multiply up until the flood,
do you know that Noah lived within, that Adam lived within 100 years of the flood?
He was around watching Noah build a boat.
He was an old man by that point, but he was still around.
That means everybody, or a lot of them, were alive.
Longevity was long, so people didn't pass away real quick.
They had children, they multiplied.
There could have been millions, maybe billions of people on earth at Noah's flood.
Okay, so now here you have a unique spirit being living in a body,
because Scripture says everybody was tainted with this nephilim, this hybrid DNA, except
the only ones found pure were Noah and his sons and the wives they took.
So there was just a handful of people left that were not tainted with fallen angel DNA.
God had to wipe that out. Do you know why?
I hear mumbling.
Had to preserve the seed.
Jesus, he had to be pure human.
He couldn't be mixed with fallen angel.
He had to be pure human.
The human race was so tainted at this point.
There was only a handful of people left who were pure.
God knew we would never make it from 3000-ish BC to Jesus' birth and keep humans pure.
The whole thing would have been lost.
So out of love, he sent the flood.
Why? Because out of love, he was able to send a savior then who, according to 1 Peter,
offered salvation to everybody back to Adam when he was in the grave,
three days and three nights when his body was there.
He was actually in hell.
So out of love, God killed them all saying,
later I'll give you the opportunity to receive your savior.
But if we don't stop this, a savior will never come.
So people say, well, how can a God of love send a flood and destroy the whole world?
Well, now you know.
Because had he not done that, he could have lost the human race forever
and never had a pure line left for a savior.
So we have a unique class of being here.
We have a fallen angel mixed with a human.
They have produced a living spirit.
Their body will die because it's a human body.
Where do they go?
One of the theories is Jesus said hell was prepared for who?
The devil and his angels.
Hell was never prepared for this bunch.
Hell was prepared for them.
Now are they included in that group?
I don't know because the fallen angels technically are still his angels.
But now they've copulated with men and we got a whole different being here.
We got a mess.
Many people think the disembodied demons of today were all those people who died back in Noah's time.
They know what it's like to live in a physical body.
They're not going to heaven.
They're not going to hell.
They are roaming and wandering the earth just enraged.
Angry with God, angry with everything involved with that.
They had a body. They knew what it was like to live in a body.
Now they have none.
They want back in.
Something about they were created to be in a body.
Something about that they need.
It gives them rest and it keeps them out of the dry, so to speak.
My stance is possible.
That is possible.
That Nephilim are our present day demons and or they're part of them.
So I don't think fallen angels are the early Nephilim.
Yeah, it's possibility.
Theory number three.
The pre-Adamic race under Lucifer's reign
before Lucifer fell while he was still on earth.
That's the third class of being.
They're saying, well, they're probably demons.
So let's research this a little bit.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And the earth was without form and void.
Those two words are very, very important here.
And darkness was upon the face of the deep
and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters
without form and void.
If you go to Isaiah 45, 18,
it says God did not create a formless, empty creation.
So in Genesis one, two, what we see the earth as, God didn't create.
He doesn't create garbage like that.
So Isaiah 45, 18, this is what it says.
For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens,
God himself that formed the earth and made it.
He hath established it and created it not in vain.
He formed it to be inhabited.
I am the Lord. There is none like thee.
Yet Genesis one, two says it was void
and without form.
Isaiah 45, 18 says, no, he formed it
and he created it not to be empty, but to be inhabited.
So if you go to Genesis one, two, that Greek,
the Hebrew word there without form,
it was without form and void.
So we're in Genesis one, two, without form and void.
The unused meaning means to lie waste.
It's desolate. It's a worthless thing like a desert.
It's an empty place without form, nothing.
It tries to lay out what without form means.
And void means an empty waste from an unused root,
meaning to be empty,
vacuity that is superficially an undistinguishable ruin.
Emptiness and void.
So in Genesis one, two, it's saying there was no form there.
It was a waste. It was desolate and it was empty.
It was void. It was an undistinguishable ruin.
However, Isaiah 45, 18 says, it was not created that way.
Specifically, it was not created in vain.
The word vain is the exact same word,
84, 14, without form.
Go to the next slide.
Not in vain, 84, 14.
The exact same word.
In Genesis one, two, it said that he created...
My mistake. I'm in Isaiah.
Genesis one, two says the earth was without form and void.
The exact same word used in Isaiah 45, 18.
That says, but God didn't create it that way.
Same word.
And then you go a little bit deeper.
It gives a definition which is the opposite of void.
It had a shape.
It was molded into a form.
It was put together like a potter would put something together.
In age 34, 27, it was created to be inhabited.
This comes out of Isaiah 45, 18.
When God created the earth and then it gives all the definitions of what it means to be inhabited there.
When God created the earth, he did not create it empty, useless, a desolate waste, uninhabitable.
45, 18 of Isaiah says it actually was created the opposite.
So how did it end up that way in Genesis one, two?
When Lucifer was cast out of heaven, the earth was destroyed.
So Genesis one, one and Genesis one, two Lucifer fell between those two.
However, the thing we need to understand is Lucifer had a kingdom on earth.
This was, so to speak, his planet.
He was ruling over it.
There was all kinds of things going on on this earth.
Isaiah chapter 14 verse 9 through 20 and Ezekiel chapter 28 verse 11 through 19.
If you just read them through, we can go there.
If you want to a little later question answer time, it won't go there now so we can get through this.
But it talks about he ruled on the earth.
There were inhabitants on the earth.
There were cities on the earth.
There was commerce going on on the earth.
There was clouds that were these human?
No, the first human was Adam.
But there was a very operational system of beings on earth that Lucifer was ruling and reigning.
Everything God creates is a spirit being somehow when it comes to intelligible life like us or angels or cherubim or whatever.
Animals are not necessarily spirit beings that live forever, but they still have the breath of God in them.
That's what makes them alive.
And when they die, that returns back to God.
So if you later you want to go through those two sets of scriptures, we can do that and show it to you.
But the concept is this. Lucifer was on earth.
We don't know how many millions of years or whatever this was his planet.
He was establishing things.
There was life here.
There was commerce here.
There were cities here.
There was activity here.
And one of the things that caused him problems according to Ezekiel is he corrupted the commerce.
He started getting dishonest in the commerce of things.
And that was the sign sin was developing in him or one of the signs sin was developing.
So the next theory is this.
All these beings, they weren't human, but they were neither our angels human, neither our cherubim human,
neither are the four beasts that worship before the throne, neither are they human.
I mean there's all kinds of creation God has that's not human.
Human are peculiar for a specific reason.
He made us different.
But all these beings are spirit beings.
So when they were destroyed, when Lucifer was thrown out of heaven, they were dislodged out of whatever bodies they were in.
They were disembodied.
So again, now you have spirits who are disembodied spirits.
Between number two, Nephilim and number three, preadamic race of beings who were their bodies.
Everything on earth was destroyed.
That's why when God created the earth, the only thing he made new was man.
Because that was a new creation.
Everything else he called it forth.
It had already been here.
He called the vegetation forth.
He called the animals forth.
They all were here.
He just called them forth.
Human, man and woman, God started from nothing and made them because that was their first creation.
So from my understanding, number two or number three is probably what the demons are.
The last one, number four, I don't go with.
It's disembodied humans, roaming humans.
Humans who have died, they're neither in heaven, they're neither in hell.
They're just roaming the earth and they're trying to get back into a body.
Very few give this option much consideration.
Most don't look at it at all.
Because when humans die, according to Scripture, they're either in heaven, which back before Jesus rose from the dead,
it was paradise or Abraham's bosom.
Then after the cross, that was all captivity was taken captive and moved to the heavenly paradise.
So they're either were there until the resurrection of Jesus.
Now when Christians or God believers die, they go to the heavenly paradise and or hell.
And I gave you a whole set of scriptures for each one showing they go one place or the other.
There's nothing in Scripture to indicate they roam or wander the earth.
So with that in mind, you have an entirely different class of being if it's Nephilim.
If it's the pre-Adam world that Lucifer ruled over, we don't know what class of being that was,
that he was ruling over, or could have been more than one, could have been all kinds of beings.
A various type of creations living on earth that he was ruling.
Either way, they've been here a long time.
They are in torment in various ways.
We just read two of them. Jesus referred two of them.
They've been in torment various ways for a long time.
Lucifer has convinced them, or Satan now, has convinced them that God is the problem.
So they hate anything to do with God, including us, because we're made in the image of God.
Okay, let's talk about that just a little bit. We got some time.
Knowing there was a... the earth was infested, so to speak,
with disembodied spirits, including Lucifer, or Satan was here,
who he would have still... he was of the cherubim class, so he would have still been in his body.
But he was the one who was lured over all these disembodied spirits.
Could have been millions, could have been billions of them.
Why would God put Adam and Eve here?
I mean, isn't that just a setup for disaster?
Did you ever stop and ask that question? I asked that question a lot and I finally got an answer to it.
I think I got my... I got my... what I believe is an answer to it.
It's like, God, seriously, you got a mess here.
And you recreate the whole thing and put a human being right in the middle of it and expect us to succeed.
Wasn't that a bad idea? Wasn't that a bad plan?
So let me give you what I feel he gave me on that.
Here you have an entire class of disembodied spirit.
Could be multiple beings that are disembodied now.
Roaming a planet, sin is infested not only heaven, but it's focused on earth.
It's destroyed everything God had made the earth to be.
They have evidence now and this, from my understanding, would have either been pre-flood or maybe pre-Adam.
They have evidence now that significant evidence that trees used to grow up to 30, 35,000 feet tall.
The whole thing of Jack and the Beanstalk concept, they were massive.
That's where airplanes fly, jets fly.
Well, we haven't seen anything like that, but they've got evidence they were here.
And that was one of the things that made God angry because the fallen angels showed human beings how to take them, how to topple them, take them down.
According to Book of Enoch, that was one of the things that made God angry because he didn't want those trees being cut down.
They were there for a purpose.
So anyway, you've got all these beings on this planet with sin now.
That is something that we can't ignore because it started in heaven.
So heaven's been tainted by it.
That's why when we get to Revelation, at the end of Revelation, we get a new heaven and a new earth.
One sin's been dealt with because the heaven that we have now has been tainted by sin because that's where sin was...
That's where the battle raged.
That's where sin took hold and drew up to a third of the fallen angels or the angels out.
It's been touched by sin. God's got to clean this all up.
The focal point to this whole thing is the earth.
Here's Lucifer or Satan now, the fallen one.
And who knows how many million or billion disembodied spirits just wandering this earth.
This has to be dealt with.
You can't just ignore this. It won't go away.
These are eternal or immortal beings.
Eternal to me goes both ways forever.
Immortal means there's a starting point, but it goes forever.
These are immortal beings.
This problem is not going to go away.
And we know it was a significant problem because a whole bunch of heaven believed Satan.
So what makes us think that this won't continue?
Because of the class of being he was, Satan had access to God for thousands and thousands and thousands of years.
Only in Revelation 12 do we find out he's cast out of that position.
The accuser of the brethren has been cast out.
Which indicates he can no longer go before the throne and accuse us.
He can accuse us from afar, but he can't do like he did with Job.
Walked in the throne room with God and said,
See that? You're playing favorites and accused Job.
Can't do that anymore.
But he had the ability to do that.
So now you've got another problem.
You've got this rebellious, sinful, wicked.
He just wants you dead being...
Yeah, Earth is his place and it's where he was cast down to.
But he still had the right to go back into heaven from time to time and get before the throne.
Which means the heavenly beings saw him.
Well, how do you know you won't lose more?
How do you know something worse won't break out again?
You have to attend to this sin problem, this devil problem.
You got to do something with this.
And God did.
He made us.
He recreated the earth and he made a being that had never been in existence before.
A being that was made in his image and likeness.
In fact, in the New Testament, they accused Jesus and was in one of these confrontations with Jesus.
And they said, well, you think you are God's.
Jesus never contradicted that point.
Because if we are children of God, there's a God aspect to us.
We are made in the God class.
It'd be like you looking at my children and saying, so you think you're pelses, huh?
Well, yeah, they pretty much are.
Well, I made in the image and the likeness of God.
I am the only creation that we know of scripturally.
That according to what Ezekiel talks about, we look just like God.
We were imbued with the power of God and we carried the glory of God before the fall.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory.
But before Adam and Eve sinned, according to what Ezekiel and Isaiah say,
that the human being burned with fire.
The glory, we were clothed with the glory of God, just like God has clothed with the glory of God.
Then when we sinned, that all went away and they discovered they were naked.
Because they didn't need clothes, they were clothed with the glory.
So when Satan or the demons saw them come walking through the garden, God, Adam and Eve, before sin.
They just saw three beings that looked exactly alike and they were all burning beings on fire with the glory of God.
You say, why would God make us to be, we're not equal with him.
Very much so, we're not equal with him.
But we are in his class. Why would God do that?
Because he needed someone who had the authority and the ability to rule Satan and everything that was on this earth.
So he created a being to do it.
Adam and Eve, human being.
And then he told them, I give you authority over and he talked about the animals and the plants.
And then he threw some things in that they weren't aware of yet.
And over everything that moveth or creepeth on the earth.
Well, there you go.
Now you've got Satan and you've got every, we'll call them demons.
That was here.
The interesting part was the Garden of Eden was, the scripture calls it, it was the place where they lived.
And of course it was Eden, the place of peace, the place of plenty, the place of everything's provided, da da da da.
But God told Adam and Eve that beyond the Garden there was wildness that needed to be conquered, needed to be ruled.
Let's go back and read it. What do you know? And you read it, it's like, oh, right there it says it.
Just didn't see that before.
But there were wild, I think he called them beasts in the King James, beyond the Garden, that needed to be ruled.
So Adam and Eve were a class of being created to be put on the earth to deal with the sin, the Satan, the demon problem.
So from God's perspective, he created man to deal with that.
Now had Adam and Eve not sinned, this is, this is my understanding.
Had Adam and Eve not sinned, we would have still come to the point of a Savior because Jesus was slain from the foundation,
or depending upon what translation you read or what study you go into from the recreation of the earth.
So from before Adam and Eve's sinning, Jesus was slain to be the Savior. That was God's plan.
So God never planned Adam and Eve to fall. That was not in the plan. That caused a lot of trouble.
So you've got Adam and Eve created here, back here before we ever did this Genesis 1-2 forward thing of recreation of the earth
and putting man here and dealing with the demonic realm and so forth.
Back here, God said, we're going to send Jesus and he's going to be the Savior to the world.
Well man didn't need saving at that point. So now stop and think. Get out of your religious box now.
What needed saving? Fallen angels and those disembodied spirits. Because man hadn't fallen.
Seriously, if we come from the perspective of God created man, put him on earth to fall and live in all this torment, damage, suffering, pain, deformation.
And then all the junk that's happened because of the fall. If God put us here to do that so he could save us, God's a sadomasochist.
That is not love.
He put us here to rule and reign this world including Satan and the demonic realm until before the foundation of the world
until that Savior would come and fix it all again. He needed the human race. That was what he chose to do it through.
It was not his original plan for us to sin and lose the whole thing. So once we did, well now he had to save the human being too.
So now everything was down the tubes.
But his original intent was for man to be the ruler of the world and the channel through whom salvation would come.
Let's now think about this. That was his first intent. And that's exactly what God did.
Jesus became, according to Paul, the second Adam. And everything the first Adam, man, lost. The second man conquered and bought back, redeemed.
So it still happened that Satan and all the demons and all the fallen world was ruled by a man
and saved by a man. It just wasn't Adam and that lineage. It was the human lineage, but it was the seed of God himself put into a man.
Because Adam messed it up. And I'm so glad he did because if he wouldn't have, I probably would have.
You know, I've often said, you know, God, just go easy on Adam. Because it's like, if he wouldn't have, who would have?
I mean, sooner or later, someone would have done what they did. However, they had the capability of not doing that.
And God gave them all authority to not do that. But they submitted the way the third of the angels submitted to the deception of Satan.
So then it was all lost. But the original concept was man was going to rule Satan, rule the world and take care of everything.
And that's how it ended over here. A whole lot of pain and suffering and problems came because the first Adam and Eve lost it.
But when the second Adam came, he restored the authority. That's why we now have authority over demons.
That's why we now have authority over Satan. Satan himself can show up and he is under our authority.
The same way he was to be under and was for a period of time under Adam and Eve's authority.
Then they lost it, gave it away, and then Jesus bought it back.
So that's why believers now have authority over demons. Well, who and what are these demons? Well, they're disembodied spirits.
And in my opinion, either Nephilim or their preadamic race, creature, not people, but creatures or creation.
And some are extremely wicked and some are less wicked and they want to get back into a body and they are furious.
And they are angry and they are deceived by Satan. And they are his workforce under the principalities and powers of the fallen angels.
And they are at war to take us out. And eventually they hope and plan to take God out.
That's why they keep striking that way.