Okay. Let's do Q&A. Any...
Anybody have a question? Anything you want to talk about?
Molly, can you help me?
I don't think I turned it off.
Walt, were you putting your hand up? Okay. Just wanted to be sure.
So, we didn't get done with the book.
But that's okay.
I think we did some things the Holy Spirit wanted done.
Okay. Is this on?
Yep.
Okay. So, back to the part about just dealing with reality.
Where you were saying that you don't pretend you're not sick when you're sick,
but you deal with it by faith.
I just want to thank you for saying that because there's so much of that
that is ignored to almost the emperor's new closed degree.
And it's just really pleasing to hear that.
And can I say a quick story that illustrates it better than I've ever heard?
Yep.
So, a young Christian science kid went to the neighbors and they were sick
and he came home to his mom.
And he said, well, the lady next door is sick.
And she goes, oh no, no, she just thinks she's sick.
She's not really sick.
And he went back the next day and he came back to his mom
and he said, mom, the lady next door thinks she's dead.
The reality is so important. The reality is so important.
In my circles, it was called having a negative confession.
If you acknowledge something, it was a negative confession.
And in reality, for instance, there was years we were basically broke, Mary and I.
I mean, it wasn't hand to mouth.
It was like you were hoping it showed up on the hand kind of thing.
We were confessing and believing.
There were years that went by that I confessed what Paul said.
They that preach the gospel should live thereby.
Because I wasn't making my living by ministry.
We were making our living doing side jobs to minister for years.
I was confessing that, but not once did I say,
I have all the money I need and we're just doing side jobs
and we don't really need it because we have all we...
No, the fact is we were broke.
But the truth is everything we needed was bought and paid for.
So we confess that, but there were times we had to tell people we can't do certain things
because we can't afford it.
That was the fact.
I was supposed to do an out of state wedding.
We were living in Colorado and I was supposed to do an out of state wedding.
We didn't have the money to get there.
So I had to decline it.
They said, well, why don't you do it?
I said, because we can't afford to get there.
We don't have the money.
That was the truth.
Were we confessing for financial prosperity?
Absolutely.
But the fact that that moment was, it wasn't there.
That was negative confession according to many.
You should never even acknowledge the fact you don't have the money.
Well, I never bought into that.
That just never...
To me, it felt like lying.
You know, it just...
No, the fact is, I don't have the money to get there and back.
That's the fact.
And I'm not going to lie.
Now, if God would have said, go.
I'll provide it.
Well, that's different.
Now, I got to grab that and confess that
and believe someplace along the line,
I'll pick up enough money to get home again.
You know, that's how that works.
But he never said that.
So it's like, well, no, I'm not going to tell them something
that might be true, but isn't the truth.
Because I don't want to get into negative confession.
That's how it was in our circles.
And there's a lot of people who have left the faith movement
because of that.
They were taught never to acknowledge anything negative whatsoever.
I had people walking to the church that big black eye
swollen out, this, that, and the other.
Are you okay?
I'm absolutely fine.
What happened?
Well, I had a bad fall, but I'm totally healed.
I have no symptoms. I have nothing.
What's a big bump on your forehead
and why is your face all black on that side?
See now, you can believe for healing without lying.
That to me just felt like a lie.
Well, I'm trying to stay positive
and anything negative would be a negative confession.
Now that didn't make any sense to me.
I'll agree with you for healing.
And by his stripes, you are healed
and there will be no after effects
and you will not have any migraine headaches
and there will be no brain trauma
and I will agree with you for healing.
But don't look at me with a side of your face
that's black and blue.
Your eye is bloodshot red
and say, I have no symptoms from my fall whatsoever.
Because you're making yourself look really dumb.
That's always been my stance.
But I'll agree with you that everything goes away
and you will be no after effects whatsoever.
But right now you have some effects.
I think that's one of the biggest problems
that I've seen in healing.
Lines or prayer is this pressure, this subtle pressure.
Are you good?
Yeah, and you're not.
You're not.
And it's huge in the whole healing realm.
Not telling the whole true thing.
You might say some of the truth.
Well, I don't feel it right now.
And it's there.
So anyway, that's my personal little soapbox
that when it came to that, I never bought into that.
I still don't.
Of course it died away.
You know, once I've received it,
I'm not going to go around saying,
Oh, I'm so sick.
I'm feeling so bad.
I am going to say what the word says.
I am whole in Jesus' name.
Or by faith, I'm whole.
By faith, this is okay.
I am going to align myself with the word.
But I'm not going to lie about it.
I don't think we have to do that.
To be in faith.
That's my spiel.
Any other questions?
Right up front.
When you were talking about the churches
that have the different spirits,
you said you went into this one church
and you could just feel the spirit of adultery.
Okay.
Do you lead from the top down?
Did this start at the top?
I don't know.
But it does...
the top has the most influence over it.
So even if it didn't start with the top,
my guess is they weren't stopping it.
Right.
And then it's like leaven.
It just spreads through.
It spreads, yeah.
And that's the thing that...
well, we've seen that.
We've seen that.
I had asked Jim Kaisman,
I think I told you this one time
when there was a rash of all kinds of things
being exposed and it really was troubling me.
And so we had dinner with them
and afterwards we were sitting around
and he said, anybody have any questions?
There were several of us.
Oh, man, here we go.
Because I want to be polite, it's real hard,
but I did it.
So nobody spoke up, so then I raised my hand
and he looked at me and said, what took you so long?
I said, why were these things...
these are seasoned ministries.
Why has this taken so long?
What is going on?
And his answer to me was, right away,
he said, well, Sally, he said
they were never dealt with in the beginning.
They were always there.
But when the Lord tried to deal with them on that,
they wouldn't go along with that.
So to me, it's...
I mean, I wouldn't...
I'm glad you walk in your shoes
because it's the leadership.
It comes from the top.
And if you don't have a strong leader
who has sold out totally.
So this is a thing
because now more and more are being exposed
in the churches.
And that doesn't mean that they're all washed up.
That means repent, turn, make a change.
But I just was wondering if you thought
that these came basically started up there?
I don't think necessarily it starts always at the top.
But the top has the power to end it,
to stop it.
And what you shared there,
what Jim said, it was always there.
It was there right from the beginning.
It just wasn't as big.
That is exactly what we described
in that Old Testament picture.
Instead of killing the enemy,
they subdued it.
I can manage this.
This isn't going to get away on me.
I can manage this. I can control this.
They subdued it and made it serve them.
And in time it became a snare to them
and took them out, just like you said.
I mean, the principle is there.
It's so easy to see.
But we don't always see it in ourselves.
But...
case in point.
Here's an example.
I know of a number of churches
that I believe
the pastor is not in agreement
with abortion,
same-sex marriage,
some of the current plagues in our culture.
He's not in agreement with it.
His wife's not in agreement with it.
But they have people sitting in the congregation
who are and they refuse to address it.
They will ignore it.
They will not talk about it.
They will not answer questions about it.
They refuse to ignore it
because they don't want to lose those people.
Okay?
So it didn't necessarily start with them
because I don't think they're in agreement with it.
But this thing will spread through their church
and kill the move of the spirit
and truth and everything else
because they're capable of stopping it.
But they're afraid they might lose their paycheck.
They're afraid they might not be able
to make the building payment.
I don't know what it is.
But they're afraid of something.
Your comment earlier, it's fear.
That's exactly right. It's fear.
And they're afraid of something
and they're refusing to deal with it
even though they know it's there.
You want to add something to that?
You've got to make sure the people
who listen to the Q&A time can hear it.
Well, then basically they're not trusting God.
Basically.
Or they're being forbidden by the board to do it
because there's churches, the board tells the pastor
what to do.
Yes, yeah.
Yeah, it does happen.
The risk.
It's got to be a calculated risk.
They got away and look at the pros and the cons
and are they willing?
How far are they willing to go?
But they're going to give an account.
That's the part.
Again, we go back to this. That fear of God.
That fear of the Lord.
Because
if you don't surrender everything,
I mean,
if you don't do that and
I agree.
these people,
you could be waving to them as they go over.
I mean, I'm not trying to
sound negative, but
this is serious stuff.
And see, the thing is, it's such a fine line to walk.
The things we talked about, like abortion
or same-sex marriage or LGBTQ or whatever.
If you take the stance
of we're just not going to talk about it
and let people come,
you're not helping them
to get set free of it.
But then on the other hand
the church can take the stance
it's so horrible, it's so sinful
that you chase all these people away.
Because we're not willing
to get in the trenches
with them and help them get free.
So it's a
fine line. We have to acknowledge it.
Love them.
Love them enough to get involved
with them.
They might sit here for a year
before they're even brought to the point
where they want to deal with it.
Well, our job is to walk along with them.
Not to shove it down their throat
early. Got to let the Holy Spirit bring it up.
Once he brings it up, they're ready.
So we got to walk along with them
but still take the stand
for scripture
and be loving enough
to not drive them out,
not chase them out, not scare them
but love them and work
with them and help them so that
they can get free. It might take them five years
before it dawns on them that they're not free.
Well, our job is to walk with them that whole time.
Once they, it dawns on them
now it's time to help
address the issue.
But it is a fine line
but we have to learn
how to walk it.
Or we're either denying God
or we're denying them.
So
does one size fit all
or do you
hear what the Holy Spirit is saying in this case?
Yeah, I think we have to be led by the
Spirit case by case.
And that is really hard on religion
because a word of life
this is how we do it.
One size fits all.
Can I just share something that happened?
Can you turn her up a bit? She's a little quiet.
Years ago
I was teaching at the Living Word
Bible Institute and I had a class
coming up
and right before the class
where I had
my hip surgery I came loose
and
I couldn't, I was going to have to go in for another
surgery and so
I went and told the class
I said I'm sorry but we'll catch
we'll do it next time we'll do this
I said I'm going to have to go in
and afterwards
students came up to me, different ones
came up to me and they said do you feel
like a failure?
And I said let me think a minute.
No, I don't actually
and they said well why not
because your faith
you're supposed to be healed. You're failing
in faith and I said
no, I said I'm not. I said
maybe I'm just not grown up enough in it
yet but I said that's okay
because I'm on my way
and I said no
God loves me and I said maybe it's going to take
more faith to me believe for me to believe
I'm all right because I failed
this or whatever but I said
no I don't feel like a failure I'm content
afterwards
students came up to me and this
they said
we're going to go have the surgery that we've been
putting off
because we didn't
feel right and I left
when I came back from the surgery I had my walker
and I felt like Moses parting
the Red Sea I'd walk right in the middle
You know, with this thing, and I mean it was kind of like not that I was flaunting it, but I mean, but
you got to get out of that. Yes. And you know, I know that it says rebellion is like the sin of
witchcraft. I've always had a lot of rebellion or rebel in certain things, and so it hasn't
bothered me. I sometimes think it's more fun to go that way than that way, which but not
not violating the word, but just not conforming. But I think that what you were just saying tonight
is such a valuable. How did we miss that?
How did I miss so many things in life? It's just too... how does the saying go, too soon old, too...
Too late smart? Too late smart, yeah, too soon old, too late smart, or something like that.
It's like, why didn't I know this 10 years ago or 20 years ago? That could have made a big difference in
how things went. But the one size fits all, that's religion. And we can't do that. Even in deliverance
stuff, every case is going to be a little different. And the church has to be mature enough to let
that happen, rather than, well, this is how we do it here. And they got to fit our pattern.
And if they don't, well, we can't help them. That's wrong. The pattern should be follow the
Holy Spirit, what that looks like. But good point, good question. Anybody else got anything?
We're good? Okay, so now I want to ask you a question.
And you don't have to answer.
If you've come to most of these classes to this point,
what is the one thing that stands out to you the most? Just don't think about a little bit.
Okay, I've come to, maybe all of them, maybe most of them, maybe some of them.
What's the one thing that stands out to you the most? We got a taker in the back.
You have to have faith. Okay. For everything. For everything. Okay. Anybody else?
The immense depth of both sides of the spirit realm.
That's good. Anybody else got anything you want? What's the one thing that stands out to you?
Deliverance is real. And there's a lot of opposition against that.
I think the tremendous ability of humans to ignore what they can't see. I mean,
we don't know about this stuff because nobody asks about it. We're not seeking for it,
and nobody teaches about it. That's a good thought.
I know that one firsthand because, like I said, when I got in the ministry, that was part of the problem.
Yep. Anybody else want to add anything?
Right up front. Well, sometimes in the process of being made whole
and being made free, it's a dirty process.
And a lot of people don't want to mess with it. They don't want to go there.
And that's the thing that I think you have put this out. Again, I'm not praising you.
I'm just grateful that God has downloaded what he has downloaded
in you that you could put this and teach it. Because if people don't have
scripture, I love it. You scripture, scripture, scripture, scripture. It's got to be,
the words got to be there. That's got to be the foundation. But these things, these misconceptions,
and this, let's play church nice and neat and clean. And don't make waves. Don't make waves.
Be, don't offend anybody. If you want to see people healed and identifying and saying that
a Christian can have a demon right there, that gives hope to some people who could lose their minds
or lives because they aren't finding this and they know there, they know in their knower there
is something. So this truth that is being told is going to set people free and make people free.
And not only that, the truth is going to teach them how to stay free. This is so important
right now. It always has been, but right now it's... Yeah, and the feeling I have, and that's
why I wanted it recorded, including the Q and A sessions, is the deeper we get into the Ed and
Times, the more supernatural stuff is going to take place. The more demonic stuff is going to
take place, the more the average person is going to have to know to beat it, to live victorious.
So we'll finish this, Lord willing, I thought we'd get done tonight. We'll finish that booklet
next week, and then we're going to go into random topics. One of the first ones we're
going to hit is generational ancestral stuff. How does that work? Which that takes you to
familiar spirits, and how that works. We're going to deal with transference of spirits,
numerous topics. I already have kind of on the schedule that we're going to deal with.
What I want from you is what kind of things would you like dealt with? Because we're
going to try to just deal with many facets of the evil side of the spirit realm,
demonic stuff, fallen angel stuff. What kind of topics would you like dealt with? Because
it'll help me get more complete in how we finish this out. I think what we're doing here,
what we did in the first three books, is absolutely paramount. And now we're going
to be kind of like answering questions, because people don't understand generational
curses. And yet they know something's wrong in their family. And it's just going on from
generation to generation. People don't understand why is it called the sins of the
fathers and not the sins of the mothers. There's a spiritual reason for that.
And you have to deal with it accordingly. So we're going to try to hit various
subjects that usually become questions. I want to know what subjects you want hit.
So you can text them to me or tell them to me or whatever, and I'll try to write them down,
remember them. But we're going to try to try to make the last portion of finishing this up
as complete as we can and answering as many questions as we can, hitting as many
subjects or topics as we can. So for that, I'm asking for your help. Other than that,
we're done. Be blessed. Have a good night.