Um, anybody have a question or something you want to discuss?
You're all shocked and numb at this point? Or maybe I explained it that well. There's nothing to talk about.
We got one? Let's go for it.
You know, I can see the great value in...
when you have a word of knowledge that somebody, the Lord laid it on your heart,
I remember an individual when you said someone here is suffering from a broken heart.
And I watched and it was about a third of the congregation came up to the front.
Well, you know, so many times people learn to function in their dysfunction.
And when you do that, they were all ages.
Of course, my grandson went up, which was so marvelous for me.
But I see the value because this has kind of been lost with that and how important it is.
But I was wondering when you were talking about the wound, dealing with the spirit first, the demon first,
or the wound first, and you said you get your information from the Lord, what he says.
Is there one pattern that has been more?
Is it dealing with the wound first that you have seen or not? I'm just curious.
That's a good question.
I can't say there's a pattern, but if I was going to say, if I have a...
you know, if it's a deliverance thing, sometimes it just happens here, boom,
and then I'll try to talk to the person later and anything the Lord showed me or whatever.
But if we're in a counseling setting and I have an hour or two, it's kind of back and forth.
We'll pray over something and then we'll talk.
Where are you feeling? Because most of the time, even if the demon doesn't manifest,
it's all riled up inside of them and they've got a thousand thoughts going through their head.
And most of the time, the greatest bulk of them are not coming from the Spirit side.
They're coming from the flesh, demonic side. So what's going through your head now?
I just got this picture of my mom yelling at me.
Oh, well, let's talk about, see, we found a wound. Let's talk about that.
What happened? You remember? Oh, yeah, I remember.
And they'll explain the whole thing this and the other. Well, what are we going to do with that?
Well, it has nothing to do with what we're praying about.
It might. What are we going to do with that?
You can't just harbor that feeling against your mom. We're going to have to deal with that.
And if they're quick to forgive, well, then you can deal with it there and then you keep praying.
And it's kind of taking a layer off at a time and seeing where the Holy Spirit goes with it.
If they manifest, usually you have to get rid of the manifestation and then talk to the person
because the demon will block. They just won't let you find.
Their job is to block the truth. And the greatest bulk of the time, they just block.
They'll lead you on rabbit trails and all kinds of stuff.
If they get really arrogant, like they are so convinced that this person is theirs
and they'll never be thrown out, then sometimes they'll brag.
And in their brag, you find the truth.
But most of the time, you have to get them down and then talk to the person again.
Okay, what's going on?
And the biggest revealer from my experience, the biggest revealer is
what are you feeling? What thoughts are going through your head?
Because you're going to be feeling the wound and the sin that Spirit has stirred up about.
Somehow it's going to come to you.
And sometimes we even ask the Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit, bring it to them.
I'm just so confused. I'm just so uptight. I just feel like running.
Well, let's just pray. Calm them down.
And then pray the Holy Spirit gives them something that shows us what are we looking at.
And you just kind of work through it. That's my experience.
Can I share just one thing that happened here?
Yeah.
During the Heaven... What was that?
Open Heaven.
Hello. Remember the... Well, of course you do.
You remember the gentleman in the family from Idaho?
Yep.
I'm not going to say the name, but one of them was seated in front of me one night.
Yep.
And she had come around in the back and we were talking.
And I had said a couple of things to her and then she went and sat down.
She was the one who had deliverance that night.
She was right in front of me.
And it was so cute because afterwards she got up and came around.
She said, do you notice anything different about me?
She was just beaming.
And I said, actually I do.
And she said, wasn't that wonderful?
And I thought, you never know who's sitting out here.
But that was so wonderful.
And there was that particular person.
And then I said a sentence or two that addressed the wound.
Because the wound had to do with rejection and never being wanted.
And I just went right to the heart of it and said that feeling of never being wanted is a lie.
And whoever rejected you, which I had a pretty good idea.
The person is not with their original parents, so got a pretty good idea.
But whoever rejected you, either they didn't know what they were doing.
They were wounded themselves, whatever.
But what they did to you, intentional or unintentional, had nothing to do with your worth.
You are worthy of love.
So this whole thing of, I'll never be good enough, that's all a lie. Get that out.
That's all I really said.
Really, put that on the mic.
I didn't know that.
That was what we talked about.
And I said to her, no, I said, you have a reason here.
And I said, don't look at anybody else around you.
They have their reasons and their calls and their purposes.
And when she came back, she said, do you notice anything different in me?
I said, your eyes are different.
Your whole countenance is different.
It was like day and night, the face.
And she hugged me.
I mean, it was like, it was like, I mean, you just...
See, now the beautiful, now I want to point something out.
The beautiful part of that is we didn't need a big long counseling session.
We're not her Holy Spirit. We don't have to convince her.
You planted the truth and I planted the truth after the demon was kicked out.
Now the Holy Spirit will focus on that and nurture her in that new truth to get rid of the lie.
And chances are good, she's going to have good days, she's going to have bad days,
but if she will talk to her family and her parents, they will guide her through that
and she will stay free forever.
And there was no big counseling session, there was no big...
There was a good teaching, really.
Yeah, you'll know the truth and the truth will set you free.
We just have to know the truth about what we're hurting about.
Yeah, that was... I didn't know anybody else that said anything to her.
That's cool. That's how God works.
Anybody else got anything?
Quick night time.
Grace, let me ask, was that plain and clear to you or are you all kind of confused?
Was it plain? Clear?
Because if it was plain and clear and we're good to go,
we don't have to stay just to put in time.
But if we're confused and we need to stay...
Comments more than questions.
I really appreciate that you talked about the wounding part.
I've heard so much deliverance stuff gone through a series of questions,
repeat this, renounce this, blah, blah, blah.
And nobody ever got to the wound part ever.
The first guy that I ever heard say it talked about the point of the pain
and I was just shocked. I had never heard it.
I'm like, really? So I'm glad you mentioned that.
Thank you.
Yeah, and again, it's...
In Scripture, Jesus said,
I have a lot to share with you, but I don't...
When the Holy Spirit comes,
He will teach you and guide you and lead you into the truth.
This is one of the things that I believe just comes by the Spirit,
is we see the principles in Scripture.
God wants people healed. God wants people set free.
We know healing has to be involved,
but the Holy Spirit takes those principles and the person
and what's happening and He kind of brings them together
and says, do this and it works.
So it's one of those things kind of just taught by the Holy Spirit.
But that's my experience.
Now, other people might have other experiences,
but my experience is if you don't deal with the wound,
it's going to be hard to keep them free.
It just comes back. Are we done?
All right. Thank you for the evening.
We're done early tonight. Everybody gets to go home early.
Be blessed. Have a safe trip home.