WEBVTT 00:00.520 --> 00:04.300 Um, anybody have a question or something you want to discuss? 00:10.330 --> 00:16.430 You're all shocked and numb at this point? Or maybe I explained it that well. There's nothing to talk about. 00:18.790 --> 00:21.690 We got one? Let's go for it. 00:24.470 --> 00:28.490 You know, I can see the great value in... 00:28.490 --> 00:33.570 when you have a word of knowledge that somebody, the Lord laid it on your heart, 00:33.570 --> 00:40.450 I remember an individual when you said someone here is suffering from a broken heart. 00:40.950 --> 00:47.670 And I watched and it was about a third of the congregation came up to the front. 00:49.050 --> 00:53.630 Well, you know, so many times people learn to function in their dysfunction. 00:54.270 --> 00:59.570 And when you do that, they were all ages. 00:59.570 --> 01:05.010 Of course, my grandson went up, which was so marvelous for me. 01:05.630 --> 01:14.870 But I see the value because this has kind of been lost with that and how important it is. 01:15.090 --> 01:21.710 But I was wondering when you were talking about the wound, dealing with the spirit first, the demon first, 01:21.890 --> 01:27.570 or the wound first, and you said you get your information from the Lord, what he says. 01:28.990 --> 01:31.590 Is there one pattern that has been more? 01:33.450 --> 01:39.510 Is it dealing with the wound first that you have seen or not? I'm just curious. 01:39.910 --> 01:40.570 That's a good question. 01:42.570 --> 01:48.550 I can't say there's a pattern, but if I was going to say, if I have a... 01:48.550 --> 01:53.330 you know, if it's a deliverance thing, sometimes it just happens here, boom, 01:53.330 --> 01:57.730 and then I'll try to talk to the person later and anything the Lord showed me or whatever. 01:58.850 --> 02:04.530 But if we're in a counseling setting and I have an hour or two, it's kind of back and forth. 02:04.850 --> 02:07.730 We'll pray over something and then we'll talk. 02:08.690 --> 02:12.590 Where are you feeling? Because most of the time, even if the demon doesn't manifest, 02:12.930 --> 02:17.430 it's all riled up inside of them and they've got a thousand thoughts going through their head. 02:18.750 --> 02:22.410 And most of the time, the greatest bulk of them are not coming from the Spirit side. 02:22.570 --> 02:26.130 They're coming from the flesh, demonic side. So what's going through your head now? 02:27.170 --> 02:29.110 I just got this picture of my mom yelling at me. 02:29.830 --> 02:33.670 Oh, well, let's talk about, see, we found a wound. Let's talk about that. 02:33.790 --> 02:35.670 What happened? You remember? Oh, yeah, I remember. 02:36.630 --> 02:39.970 And they'll explain the whole thing this and the other. Well, what are we going to do with that? 02:41.030 --> 02:42.890 Well, it has nothing to do with what we're praying about. 02:44.310 --> 02:47.030 It might. What are we going to do with that? 02:47.190 --> 02:50.610 You can't just harbor that feeling against your mom. We're going to have to deal with that. 02:52.790 --> 02:58.270 And if they're quick to forgive, well, then you can deal with it there and then you keep praying. 02:58.790 --> 03:03.830 And it's kind of taking a layer off at a time and seeing where the Holy Spirit goes with it. 03:04.370 --> 03:09.290 If they manifest, usually you have to get rid of the manifestation and then talk to the person 03:09.290 --> 03:12.730 because the demon will block. They just won't let you find. 03:13.530 --> 03:19.670 Their job is to block the truth. And the greatest bulk of the time, they just block. 03:19.930 --> 03:22.650 They'll lead you on rabbit trails and all kinds of stuff. 03:23.350 --> 03:28.750 If they get really arrogant, like they are so convinced that this person is theirs 03:28.750 --> 03:31.130 and they'll never be thrown out, then sometimes they'll brag. 03:31.910 --> 03:33.510 And in their brag, you find the truth. 03:34.350 --> 03:39.690 But most of the time, you have to get them down and then talk to the person again. 03:40.210 --> 03:41.190 Okay, what's going on? 03:42.550 --> 03:49.410 And the biggest revealer from my experience, the biggest revealer is 03:49.410 --> 03:53.070 what are you feeling? What thoughts are going through your head? 03:54.230 --> 04:00.770 Because you're going to be feeling the wound and the sin that Spirit has stirred up about. 04:01.150 --> 04:02.730 Somehow it's going to come to you. 04:02.730 --> 04:05.570 And sometimes we even ask the Holy Spirit, Holy Spirit, bring it to them. 04:05.950 --> 04:09.490 I'm just so confused. I'm just so uptight. I just feel like running. 04:09.730 --> 04:11.790 Well, let's just pray. Calm them down. 04:12.370 --> 04:16.950 And then pray the Holy Spirit gives them something that shows us what are we looking at. 04:17.230 --> 04:19.990 And you just kind of work through it. That's my experience. 04:20.730 --> 04:23.290 Can I share just one thing that happened here? 04:23.670 --> 04:23.930 Yeah. 04:24.530 --> 04:28.570 During the Heaven... What was that? 04:28.610 --> 04:28.930 Open Heaven. 04:29.450 --> 04:33.370 Hello. Remember the... Well, of course you do. 04:33.470 --> 04:35.750 You remember the gentleman in the family from Idaho? 04:36.230 --> 04:36.450 Yep. 04:36.730 --> 04:42.550 I'm not going to say the name, but one of them was seated in front of me one night. 04:42.710 --> 04:42.910 Yep. 04:43.710 --> 04:46.530 And she had come around in the back and we were talking. 04:47.070 --> 04:49.970 And I had said a couple of things to her and then she went and sat down. 04:50.090 --> 04:52.030 She was the one who had deliverance that night. 04:52.230 --> 04:53.530 She was right in front of me. 04:53.730 --> 04:57.910 And it was so cute because afterwards she got up and came around. 04:58.090 --> 05:00.350 She said, do you notice anything different about me? 05:00.470 --> 05:01.850 She was just beaming. 05:02.050 --> 05:04.390 And I said, actually I do. 05:05.090 --> 05:07.070 And she said, wasn't that wonderful? 05:07.710 --> 05:12.710 And I thought, you never know who's sitting out here. 05:14.050 --> 05:15.030 But that was so wonderful. 05:15.970 --> 05:18.330 And there was that particular person. 05:18.330 --> 05:23.750 And then I said a sentence or two that addressed the wound. 05:24.210 --> 05:29.690 Because the wound had to do with rejection and never being wanted. 05:30.450 --> 05:38.830 And I just went right to the heart of it and said that feeling of never being wanted is a lie. 05:40.170 --> 05:43.490 And whoever rejected you, which I had a pretty good idea. 05:43.910 --> 05:47.390 The person is not with their original parents, so got a pretty good idea. 05:47.390 --> 05:52.010 But whoever rejected you, either they didn't know what they were doing. 05:52.270 --> 05:54.630 They were wounded themselves, whatever. 05:55.090 --> 06:01.950 But what they did to you, intentional or unintentional, had nothing to do with your worth. 06:03.270 --> 06:05.370 You are worthy of love. 06:05.770 --> 06:09.530 So this whole thing of, I'll never be good enough, that's all a lie. Get that out. 06:09.670 --> 06:10.390 That's all I really said. 06:11.970 --> 06:13.910 Really, put that on the mic. 06:14.870 --> 06:15.630 I didn't know that. 06:15.630 --> 06:17.350 That was what we talked about. 06:17.670 --> 06:21.890 And I said to her, no, I said, you have a reason here. 06:22.250 --> 06:25.230 And I said, don't look at anybody else around you. 06:25.550 --> 06:28.170 They have their reasons and their calls and their purposes. 06:28.590 --> 06:31.790 And when she came back, she said, do you notice anything different in me? 06:31.850 --> 06:33.010 I said, your eyes are different. 06:34.430 --> 06:35.770 Your whole countenance is different. 06:36.130 --> 06:38.130 It was like day and night, the face. 06:38.370 --> 06:39.590 And she hugged me. 06:39.590 --> 06:44.790 I mean, it was like, it was like, I mean, you just... 06:45.370 --> 06:47.270 See, now the beautiful, now I want to point something out. 06:47.570 --> 06:52.650 The beautiful part of that is we didn't need a big long counseling session. 06:52.910 --> 06:55.790 We're not her Holy Spirit. We don't have to convince her. 06:56.210 --> 07:02.150 You planted the truth and I planted the truth after the demon was kicked out. 07:02.750 --> 07:09.030 Now the Holy Spirit will focus on that and nurture her in that new truth to get rid of the lie. 07:09.030 --> 07:12.170 And chances are good, she's going to have good days, she's going to have bad days, 07:12.310 --> 07:17.970 but if she will talk to her family and her parents, they will guide her through that 07:17.970 --> 07:20.530 and she will stay free forever. 07:21.190 --> 07:25.570 And there was no big counseling session, there was no big... 07:25.570 --> 07:27.390 There was a good teaching, really. 07:27.670 --> 07:30.130 Yeah, you'll know the truth and the truth will set you free. 07:30.350 --> 07:32.990 We just have to know the truth about what we're hurting about. 07:34.090 --> 07:36.990 Yeah, that was... I didn't know anybody else that said anything to her. 07:38.790 --> 07:40.910 That's cool. That's how God works. 07:42.310 --> 07:43.370 Anybody else got anything? 07:49.280 --> 07:50.280 Quick night time. 07:55.010 --> 08:00.710 Grace, let me ask, was that plain and clear to you or are you all kind of confused? 08:02.430 --> 08:04.230 Was it plain? Clear? 08:05.010 --> 08:07.130 Because if it was plain and clear and we're good to go, 08:07.310 --> 08:09.570 we don't have to stay just to put in time. 08:09.570 --> 08:13.750 But if we're confused and we need to stay... 08:13.750 --> 08:14.230 Comments more than questions. 08:14.670 --> 08:17.730 I really appreciate that you talked about the wounding part. 08:18.550 --> 08:24.470 I've heard so much deliverance stuff gone through a series of questions, 08:24.810 --> 08:26.710 repeat this, renounce this, blah, blah, blah. 08:27.250 --> 08:30.010 And nobody ever got to the wound part ever. 08:30.770 --> 08:34.130 The first guy that I ever heard say it talked about the point of the pain 08:34.130 --> 08:37.310 and I was just shocked. I had never heard it. 08:37.310 --> 08:39.990 I'm like, really? So I'm glad you mentioned that. 08:40.390 --> 08:41.090 Thank you. 08:44.030 --> 08:47.330 Yeah, and again, it's... 08:48.910 --> 08:50.890 In Scripture, Jesus said, 08:51.610 --> 08:54.750 I have a lot to share with you, but I don't... 08:54.750 --> 08:56.090 When the Holy Spirit comes, 08:56.630 --> 08:59.270 He will teach you and guide you and lead you into the truth. 09:01.010 --> 09:07.590 This is one of the things that I believe just comes by the Spirit, 09:08.770 --> 09:10.930 is we see the principles in Scripture. 09:11.210 --> 09:13.250 God wants people healed. God wants people set free. 09:14.230 --> 09:16.430 We know healing has to be involved, 09:16.550 --> 09:19.730 but the Holy Spirit takes those principles and the person 09:19.730 --> 09:21.910 and what's happening and He kind of brings them together 09:21.910 --> 09:24.490 and says, do this and it works. 09:25.510 --> 09:28.710 So it's one of those things kind of just taught by the Holy Spirit. 09:28.710 --> 09:32.470 But that's my experience. 09:32.630 --> 09:34.010 Now, other people might have other experiences, 09:34.710 --> 09:37.330 but my experience is if you don't deal with the wound, 09:37.470 --> 09:39.150 it's going to be hard to keep them free. 09:40.610 --> 09:43.110 It just comes back. Are we done? 09:45.310 --> 09:47.630 All right. Thank you for the evening. 09:47.930 --> 09:49.930 We're done early tonight. Everybody gets to go home early. 09:50.570 --> 09:51.690 Be blessed. Have a safe trip home.