Let's go into questions and answers and see if there's anything that you specifically want
to talk about. There's a mic link on that back row, I think. If you want to grab that, please. And
we will see if there's anything we want to talk about. We got one up in the sound booth,
so let's go there right away. I hope I'm not being, before he asks the question, let me say this,
I hope I'm not being too laborious by going back and picking this apart this way to kind of show you
the origins of it, how it works, how it flows. I think that gives us a bigger understanding
so that we know exactly what we're dealing with. But some people get bored when you go into stuff
like that. And it's like, well, just tell us what it is and how to deal with it. And it's like, well,
I can do that, but sometimes it's nice not to only know how to start the car and drive it. Sometimes
it's nice to know, you hear that sound? You might want to pay attention to that, because that's
something going wrong. Well, I don't know what it is. I just drive my car. Well, it'd be good
to learn more sometimes, you know. So that's kind of the approach I'm taking of, no, this
goes all the way back. This blessing cursing thing goes all the way back. And God has never
changed. He wanted and still wants only the flow of blessing. And one sin is dealt with,
that's what we're going back to. Once sin, death, hell, the grave, we get past the new heavens
and new earth, there won't be two choices anymore. There will only be one and be the blessing
of God. And this whole other flow will be locked up in the lake of fire. But right now
we're dealing with it. So all right, go ahead. So I'm trying to piece together some of this stuff.
So what we talked about tonight was Adam and Eve were given the earth. They handed it over to
Satan. A few thousand years went by. God had to look for Abraham to make a covenant with
so he can exchange sun for sun, all that sort of stuff. What I recall is talking about last
time was prior to humans, there were creatures living on the earth and they are under Satan's
dominion. Yes. Did you talk about why was God able to give the earth back to humans?
It was so much trouble to stay in righteousness and so many things had to come into place
afterwards. Do we know what happened that gave God the authority and the legal right to give
the earth to humans? Because it seems like he took it away from Satan and gave it to
humans with Adam and Eve. I don't understand how that... I don't know of any place in Scripture
that describes what level of ownership the devil had. He was on the earth, he ruled from
the earth. It was like his planet but was that a legal? Yeah, was it his house or was
rental? Yeah, kind of thing. And then the next part about that is was the Garden of Eden a
physical place where it seems like if Satan was on earth and sin was in Satan, I kind of have
this mental picture of well the Garden of Eden is a place where sin doesn't enter until...
Yes. So when Adam and Eve had kids and they started spreading out from the Garden of Eden
where the blessings have just gone out to cover the earth and pushed sin out of the way and they
still would have been completely unaware that they were even pushing sin out of the way?
I don't know if at some point God would have made him aware of what they were dealing with
or not but you've got that exactly right. The Garden of Eden was like a oasis or like
almost an island where God planted Adam and Eve and provided everything for them
but beyond that it wasn't tamed yet. Let me show you.
It's in Genesis 1 or 2
where when he gives them the authority...
Let me back up. Oh, let me... I think it's here in 1.
Yes. Chapter 1 verse 26 down. God said let's make man in our image according to our likeness.
Let him have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air,
over the cattle, over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.
Let me switch translations. I went to the Amplified verse 27 so God created man in his own image
verse 28 and God blessed them and said to them be fruitful multiply fill the earth and subdue it.
Subdue means it's a word that means conquer it or take control of it.
Subdue it using all its vast resources in the service of God and man.
What were they being used for now? And have dominion over the fish of the sea,
the birds of the air, and over every living creature that moves upon the earth.
There was a, depending upon the translation you read,
it describes it as you had the garden of Eden and everything outside of the garden
was not subdued or was, it's described as wild.
And it needed to be subdued. So now as Adam and Eve's family would have grown,
this influence would have expanded until eventually it would have filled the whole earth.
That's my understanding. In that process at some point,
God I believe would have explained to him what we're dealing with here and why you have to subdue
it and why there's untamed or unsubdued areas of land would have got into the fall would
have gotten into Satan explained the whole thing and let him understand what they're dealing
with but still wouldn't have put them in the flow of death. Yeah, they wouldn't have experienced
that they'd have just ruled over it. That's my understanding that that's how it was supposed
to take place. The second Adam, Jesus, 12 disciples, same pattern, exactly. They didn't have a
physical spot of land that was Garden of Eden, but he invested everything into a small group of
people, 12 disciples and a group of believers. And from there that was to spread and subdue the
whole world. Same principle, same concept. So my understanding is at some point he'd have
filled them in what we're dealing with but through their, in other words, that's good. Holy
Spirit, I like that. Let me take what you just asked and apply it to a principle we said earlier.
Adam and Eve, if they would not have sinned, they wouldn't have had to go around chasing demons
but they would have conquered them by living in the blessing. See the concept?
And we as Christians don't have to go around chasing demons.
We just need to see what we're supposed to be living in and demand it to happen.
And if something kicks its head up, you know, do the old Wacom thing, it's mac.
Remember the Wacom game? You know, something sticks its head up, smack it, you know, deal with it.
But I'm not going to walk around my whole Christian life looking for what's going to
stick its head up next. I'm looking for the blessing of God to manifest in my life and
if it's not manifesting in something, then I need to deal with that. The same way Adam and
Eve wouldn't have walked around looking for evil and sinned, they wouldn't have understood what it was.
They wouldn't have known it if they had seen it in its face. They didn't know evil.
But yet if they would have lived in obedience to God, they would have subdued the earth
and filled it and evil would have been squelched out. Same concept, same principle.
But didn't go quite that way. Anybody else have a question or a thought you want to throw in?
I have a question. Go for it. This might be silly.
Do you know, I don't know, why was there even an option to choose to eat fruit?
Does that make sense? Yeah. Why was that an option within the Garden of Eden?
My only thought right that would come to my mind is just like that freedom of choice,
to choose to serve Him and choose to obey Him. That would be my only thought.
Yeah, here's my understanding on it. Before Lucifer fell, we just had one flow,
the flow of God, his will, blessings, everything, life, all good. Once Lucifer sinned and fell,
now we have two flows. Everything had to have the right to choose because it was in existence.
Okay? So without experiencing it, they had to have the right to choose good or evil.
And that's what God said. That's the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Well, good is this flow. Evil is this one.
You got to make a choice. And they made the wrong choice. They wanted to see what evil was about.
And the result of that is, yeah, now we all got a good taste of what that's about.
That's kind of ugly. But I think, I'm not sure, I think it's because once two choices were
available, God had to make it an option for everybody to choose or the devil could accuse
him like he tried to accuse him with Job. You're just protecting them. You're just
kidding. If they had the right to choose me, they'd follow me. But you're just keeping
them shield. You're like this overprotective mother and they're just your little robots or
minions. There's another way. Why don't you be God and let them choose who they want to serve?
You know, and that's kind of what he came to God with concerning Job. Well, of course he's
serving you. All you do is protect him. Give him a little room to have some problems in his life.
Then let's see if he serves you. And it goes back again to the concept of once there was another
choice to be made, why did he let the angels make the choice? Why didn't he just
breathe fireballs and all kinds of stuff out of his fingertips and just obliterate
Satan? And now the choice is over. I don't know. It's just not how God works. He's fair.
He's just. He's righteous. And even if it's to the detriment, he'll let us choose it.
And I think Adam and Eve, without experiencing it, had to have a choice to make. Or they'd
have been overprotected, so to speak. It wouldn't have been. This thing was in creation now. It was
in the universe. It started in heaven. They had to have the choice that involved it. And once
they made the choice then. Would it also because those two flows need to be treated
equally right? He watches over them both. Yeah. In that way.
Because see, he has to watch over the curse to make sure the curse actually takes place.
Because if he'd stopped the flow of the curse, he'd be violating his own creation design.
Because everything comes under God and lives and moves by God and receives life and breath
from God. Everything. To stop this one and say, now we're not going to let that go on. Then again,
that's not, that's an unjust judge. You can't, why would you stop this one and not this one?
This is as legitimate as that one. So the only way he could get rid of this second flow
was Jesus. There's a lot we don't understand. But I think that's how it plays out.
Dave, and then we'll go to Rich.
Isn't it also safe to assume, since God created us for fellowship with him,
that he gave us the free will to choose to fellowship with him. And that's where true
love lines fall in. I think that's another good point. Yeah, we're not forced to love him.
He could have just created somebody to love him, but he didn't do that. He created us
and the angels pretty much. Free will? Yeah. No, it's good. We'll go to Rich next.
I've always heard that babies that are
die when they're still infants, that God takes them to heaven anyway. I believe that. I do too.
But I'd like to be explained that we are all born into sin. And you explain that, what that means.
Especially for an infant. Yep. Good question. Romans chapter five, verse number 12.
Amplified reads it this way. Therefore, a sin came into the world through one man and
death is the result of sin. So death spread to all men. No one being able to stop it or escape its
power because all have sinned. New King James says, therefore, just as through one man,
sin entered the world and death through sin. Thus death spread to all men because all have
sinned. And in that is the concept of we're born into this. We've all sinned. Okay. Here's my understanding.
The Ezekiel says, Paul says, not the same way Ezekiel does, I'll quote Ezekiel. Paul says the
same thing. He just says it a different way. Ezekiel says, the soul that sins, it must die
or it shall die. And the only way it can get out of that is a substitute death, which
that's what Jesus said. He substituted for us, gave us his life. He took our death.
But once you sin, now you're subject to the second death, you're subject to a phrase that
a lot of people don't like, but I don't know how else to say it. You're subject to spiritual death.
Physical death isn't the big issue to God. It's the spirit being separated from him
forever. It doesn't cease to exist, but it gets separated and goes with the God it served.
That spiritual death, the second death, okay? Until that baby comes to the point of realization
of right and wrong and makes the choice, it's innocent. It has not sinned. It does not have
to die for its sin because it has not sinned. The soul that sins shall die.
So there is a period of time, and I don't know how long that goes.
It depends upon the intelligence of the child and so forth. But you know, you've all heard in
that two-year-old range, once you can explain to them, like one of our children was just mesmerized
with the plant that had the big pot full of dirt, big plant. They love to play in that dirt.
Spread it, okay?
Once we got it, they were old enough, we could get it across to them because they did it from the
time they crawled. They'd crawl over the plant and grab it and stand up there shaking, you know,
throwing the dirt. Well, you can try... they're not there yet. You can try correcting them,
and they're not going to get it. You try, you try to know you can't do that. Just like
talking to the wall. But there comes a point they cross
where they go over to that plant and they throw it and you come up to them and you say,
honey, no. You might even slap their hand a little bit, no.
And you leave and you watch them peeking around the corner
and they're sitting there with the big lip, you know,
and once you're gone, the lip goes away. They look around, they get up, they walk over to the plant.
Once they do this, they've sinned.
Because now they know what they're doing is wrong.
Now they've sinned. Now they don't have the understanding of life and death and Jesus on the cross and everything,
but they have, they have the Adam and Eve understanding.
There's fruit hanging on that tree. There's dirt in that pot.
We're not supposed to touch the fruit on the tree and eat it. I'm not supposed to
play with the dirt in the pot. Don't know why. Don't understand it.
But I'm going to do it anyway. I'm going to eat the fruit anyway. Well, now you sinned.
I'm going to play with the dirt in the pot anyway and I'm hoping I'm not going to get caught.
That's when you know they know better. The conscience has kicked in.
Once they're looking around to see if anybody's watching, now they know.
Now they sinned. So every time you ask them to do something and they intentionally reason it out
and decide not to, now they've sinned. So now they're a sinner.
And they don't have to be much older than that to receive Jesus.
Yep. Yep. Yeah. One of our children received Jesus, I believe in him as a three-year-old.
And you can go to the Jesus side. And I disagree with abortion. I believe it's
murder and all this, that and the other. But I will say this. All these babies are going to heaven.
Where if they were being raised by these certain type of parents that I won't describe
right now, because I might say something I'll regret later, they could be raised to
end up going to hell. So I do take counsel in that one thing of, well, go ahead and abort them.
It's just loading up heaven. Yeah, it is murder. It's wrong. We shouldn't be doing it. I'm all
on that side. But they're innocent. They've never sinned. So there's no reason for them
to pay for their sin because they've never sinned. They don't have to die spiritual death
because they've never sinned. So there is a gap of time there. Absolutely. So here now,
and see this is where man gets involved. Tradition gets involved. Corruption gets involved.
You have to get the baby baptized or it'll go, if it dies, it goes to hell.
Where'd that come from? Oh, I know that's what I know. They're the ones who do it.
And a few others. But I mean, scripturally speaking, where did that come from? That's not in
Scripture. There is no such thing as baby baptism in Scripture because the whole concept of baby
baptism is we're born into sin. Absolutely. We are born into sin, but we're not born sinners.
You can be placed in water, but that doesn't make you water.
Follow the concept. You can be a car in a garage, but that doesn't make the car a garage.
We are born into a body that has fallen. It will crave sin. It wants sin. It desires sin. We are
placed into a sinful container. We're born into sin. But until we get to the age
where we can make the choice, we're not sinners. There's a realm of time there.
And then there's also the age of accountability that comes into this too, which makes a difference
on things also. But my personal opinion, you know the age of accountability thing,
where you've got a baby who's here. No accountability for itself at all. It doesn't
understand anything. So the parents are fully accountable. Then as the baby grows and gets older,
it starts understanding some things and accepts Jesus. And you're at six, seven, eight years old.
Well, is that baby or is that child fully accountable for its life at that point?
Absolutely. You can't understand everything. So it's growing and the parent's accountability
becomes less and the child's becomes more. There's a crossover point. The Jews called that crossover
point what? Age of accountability bar mitzvah, bar mitzvah. That's the celebration. It's when the
child goes through puberty. And there is something that happens at puberty that changes that
precious little child into something different. And there's an accountability thing that
takes place. And now the parent's accountability is still there, but it's actually growing less than
the child's. And according to what God told Moses, if that still stands, the child becomes fully
accountable for itself at what age? It can drink at 21. Go to the army at 18, drink at 21.
You know, Moses, he told, after they rebelled and God said, I'm done, you've tempted me 10 times,
you're not going into the Promised Land. All the children that you said would die if we take
them in are going to be the ones I take in. So everybody this age and under is going to
live and everybody this age and over is going to die in the wilderness. What was that age?
20. 20. You are really close. 20. So at 20, from God's perspective, we are far enough along, we
become fully accountable for our choices and actions. Anything under that, we're not totally
there yet. There were some 19-year-olds that lived when their parents all died in 40 years in
the wilderness. They lived and had the choice later to go on the Promised Land. The point he put
as children or adults was age 20. So you've got this crossover point where the child becomes
fully accountable. Now, I have a personal, this is a personal belief. I don't have any
scripture for this, so don't go preaching it. But before the X crosses here, you know,
you've got the baby coming up, age 13, parents authority coming down. Before the X crosses,
in my opinion, the parents are more accountable for the child than the child is for itself.
Okay? On that basis, at least in a Christian home, should that child die, they're in heaven
because the parents are saved. And I think that's part of what Paul talks about when he's talking
about marriage and divorce and so forth. And he tells the Christian wife and the Christian husband,
if the unbeliever is pleased to live with you, don't get rid of them because the family will
be saved through that person. I think that's part of it is here. The child that's back here
before 13, I think there's no question. You say, ah, but they're 10 years old. They're pretty
rebellious. Yeah, but if the parents are living for God, they carry a realm of authority and
accountability the child doesn't. And I believe the child's going to get in, even if they die.
Now, in an unbeliever situation, I'm hoping that's the case up to like age 13, 14, right in
that area, that even if they don't know Jesus, they're still not to the point of fully
accountable for themselves. So God's going to let him in. I'm hoping. But full accountability
comes at 20 from my understanding, something in that area. Full manhood comes at 30. I think that
still stands with the Jews. But they were declared to be an adult at 13. That's where
they had to start picking what they're going to do for life, begin learning the skills,
begin preparing for marriage, for family, the buying the home, having the career,
everything in place so that at age 30, when they were officially declared to be a man,
they could marry, they were set. Which goes along with, remember Kendall Qualls' video?
He said, we got to get back to the point where manhood is taking a wife,
taking care of her and raising a family. Where'd he get that from? I think he got it from Jewish
tradition. You were not considered a man till you were age 30. Then you could take a family. But by
that point, you were supposed to have a career and occupation and a house ready to take care
of a wife and family. I don't know how we got on that. But that's, it's the progression
of things from baby all the way, all the way out. You want to ask a question? You can...
Oh, Vicki's got it first. So let's let Vicki go. Go, Vicki.
All right. This has to do with the blessings for a thousand generations.
And I know you talked about that some before, about how they come down. But then they,
there's that place of where it can jump. And they have that choice. And they re-establish.
Yeah. So I don't know what I'm trying to say here. I thought I had it. I'll figure it out.
So is, okay, if she says they go to the third and fourth generation.
So, but then it comes here. What is it? He cuts it off, but that has the
they have the choice. Okay, my understanding. I'll give you my understanding and see if it
answers your question. If it doesn't, well, take another swat at it. My understanding is once a curse
is in place, you've got, let's say it's me who starts a curse, whatever. So you got me,
you got my children, you got my grandchildren, you've got my great grandchildren. It has the right,
the curse will try to ride the vehicle of the generational or sins of the fathers.
So what's going to try to establish is my children pick up the same sins. My grandchildren
pick up their parents' sins and so forth. That's the vehicle that perpetuates it down.
The ones who oversee that and minister in that would be the familiar spirits.
Okay. So if I start a curse, but I recognize it a few years later, I recognize it and I break it.
Now there's this agreement on this point. So I'm going to give you both sides.
You decide. If I break it, it no longer has a right to my family because of the work Jesus
did. If I stop it, it can't go to them. Then there's others who say no, that original thing that God
said, this is how that flow works. I've limited it to three or four. Others say that's still the case.
So even if I break it and I stop it, they can reestablish it. It will hang around and try to
get them involved down to my great grandchildren. If they don't get involved, it's broken,
it has to start all over again. However, if someone in those four generations
jumps back in, because there is a, let me say it this way, you've got the sins of the father is
like the truck or the car that carries the curse down to the next generation. The familiar spirits
are demons are the one who tried to convince you to get into the car. They're the ministers
of the curse. So if I got into, I don't know, let's say demon worship, pick something big.
I got into demon worship and established a curse in my family. And then later I repented.
Let's say, let's go with the second one. I will have started something in my family that
has the right to go for four generations total, mine and three more. The sin of that is the vehicle,
the familiar spirits are the ones who are going to try to get my lineage into that vehicle.
My understanding is this. My children will have opportunities given to them to get into
some form of demon worship and be encouraged by the familiar spirits trying to help them
encourage them get into that. They will have opportunities that would have never shown up
had I not started it. If I'd have stayed clean of it and never gotten demon worship,
that vehicle would never go. That car would not go down for three, four generations carrying
that curse. And the spirits attached to that trying to get people to get in on that
demon worship would not be there. They'd have no right because no curse was established.
So therefore what I've done is I've opened something to the generations that now they
have to overcome that didn't have to be there. I messed that up. It's kind of like Adam and
Eve messed it up for us. They opened up some things we would never had a deal with,
but somebody opened it up and they chose to do it. So it's the same concept.
However, if for four generations nobody gets into demon worship,
the car goes to the junk and the familiar spirits no longer have any right to us.
It's broken. It's over. It's done. If somebody in that four generations goes into demon worship,
now it's reestablished in that particular leg, whatever it is. Because remember, as you have
children, you got mom and dad. Let's say they have four children. Now you have four legs
of lineage and each child is going to get married and this will have their own lineage and this one
will have their own coming out of mom and dad. Okay. Everything flows down to my knowledge.
Let's say that all these children are clean. They never get into demon worship. I started it
up here. They don't get into it, but down here you've got three children and five children
and two children or whatever. Somebody down here, excuse me, gets into it. That cannot go back up the
line, cross over and go back down. My knowledge, that does not happen. It cannot happen. It can
only flow down. So these three would remain clean. Even if this one down here got tainted,
this whole part of my lineage would remain clean as long as nobody else gets involved.
They won't be affected by a grandchild's choice over here to get in Satanism. Well,
now it's released back into the whole family. No, it's released into that lineage of that grandchild.
Now, if everybody can stay clean for four generations, we're good. Now, the other is,
but if I repent and I break the curse, it can't go on to my children at all because
of what Jesus did. I hope that's true. I have not experienced that. I'll just say that way.
I've watched Christians who had generational things get in there and get saved and get
the understanding of it and break it and watch it continue on in the family line.
It didn't stop because they broke it. It's just like, there it is again. It just kept going
because they made the choice. The vehicle came to them, the minister's of the vehicle,
the familiar spirits, the demons were saying, hey, get in on this. This is great. Look at
this opportunity you have. Things happen in the person's life that wouldn't have happened
otherwise. And it just keeps on marching down. But my position, believe for the moon.
Believe you can stop it right here, right now, and go for the moon because our job is to believe
and all things are possible to them that believe. So if we can get, if we can really
get convinced, I can kill this generational thing right here. Personally, I believe we can kill it
right here and it doesn't have to go on. But if I get into Satan worship and then I realize,
oh man, I'm wrong. And I ask God to forgive me and I get forgiven and I'm clean and I'm a
Christian again going for heaven and I don't address this thing at all. I can guarantee
you that there's going to be opportunities given to my lineage as the vehicle of the curse goes down
because I release the curse. And if I don't address that and deal with it, it's automatically
just going to go down because God said, I'll give it right. I'll give that flow right for three
or four generations. So the max is four, the minimum is three. Did that answer it? Kind of.
Yeah, but okay, say you've got something coming from two sides and you've got maybe the one side
that addresses, because you've got two parents. And then you've got one parent that addresses
that, but you still can't go down through if it's not. If the other one doesn't.
I don't know for sure, but I believe the one who carries the most authority
is the father, not the mother. So if the father will address it, even if the mother doesn't,
it's going to go a lot further because it's called the sins of the fathers.
If the father doesn't address it and just the mother does
to God in God's perspective, the way he set up a family, the father carries more spiritual
authority than the mother in a family. That's not to belittle the woman, a man and woman
outside of marriage are equal in God's eyes. But in a marriage, the man carries more authority
and more responsibility. He's going to answer for more in the marriage than the wife will.
He's the head over the woman. And Jesus is the head over the man.
Getting a little ahead of myself, but that's okay. Sins of the fathers. Why is it called
sins of the fathers, not sins of the mothers? Why is the lineage in the Old Testament
follow men only? I can't say only. Men by and large and women marry in.
If you look at Jesus' lineage, it's basically naming men.
There's a couple of spots a woman gets in, but most of the time it's men.
I believe it goes back to the man is supposed to be the head of the union,
is why it's called the sins of the fathers. In other words, if somebody's going to be held
accountable here in this union, dad, it's going to be you because you're the one with the most
authority. You're the one who's going to be held accountable. So therefore, if their sin passing
down in your lineage, you're going to answer for it first because of the authority. He's
going to be held accountable. So then this question comes, what if they're divorced?
And the man's not on scene. Now again, I don't know if scripture addresses this. So I'm going
by different experiences that I've heard people have and they've had. Once a lineage is created
from God's perspective, he don't care if you're divorced or not. That's your lineage.
That's your offspring. It doesn't become, for instance, if Mary and I got divorced,
well, she gave birth to them. So now they're her kids. I'm free. They're not my kids.
Well, according to God, there is much my kids as her kids, whether I ran off and she had to raise
them, whether I disappeared and never saw them again in my lifetime. When we stand before God,
they're all our children. Whether we're divorced, lived together, made no difference. When we get
before God and we answer for our lineage, I will answer with her unless, of course,
she's not there. She went to hell. Or I'm not there. I went to hell and she's there.
Then we answer separately, but we're still going to answer. I'm going to have judgment. She's going
to have a judgment. It's just not going to be together. It's going to be separate. Whether
you even got married or never got married, if both of you go to heaven, when the lineage
lines up, you're going to take your spot because you're either mom or dad. You can't get out
of that. It's who you are. And it just works its way down the lineage.
How do we get on that?
How they went down. Oh, the fathers and the mothers. Yes. The father carries the most
authority scripturally. Yeah. And it started with Adam and Eve
because she sinned. So then that set up. And then what came out of that is sin got a hold
of that. The curse got a hold of that. And the man started abusing the woman,
viewing her as property and everything else. But the authority set up because she was,
Timothy explains it, because she was tempted and deceived. The man becomes the authority figure
in the marriage family. And so I'm going to stand up for the women now because sometimes
women feel bad. Like the women were deceived. We were the weaker ones. So now the man's
the head of the family. But Adam sinned too. Women lost the equal status in the marriage,
so to speak, when they sinned. And it became the woman comes under the man in authority
structure. When the man sinned, both of them lost with God and salvation. Both of them lost eternity
when the man sinned. So the woman sinned is really a little thing compared to the man's.
God said, well, you know, now we're not going to go equal anymore. The woman's going to have
to be subjective under the man. But when the man sinned, it's like, well, now you're all
lost. You're going to get kicked out of the Garden of Eden. You're all going to hell without a savior.
So who did the bigger problem here? It was the man. It wasn't the woman. But, you know,
I've heard denominations, it's part of their writings that they say because the woman was
deceived, she has to be in subjection. So therefore we do not allow any woman to
have any authority in the church whatsoever because the women were deceived.
Well, yeah, the woman was deceived, but the man made the willful choice to sin.
That ain't better. That's worse, in my opinion. But anyway, that's why I believe it goes down
the man's side because the authority set up that took place. That's why it's called
Sins of the Fathers. Okay, now we'll go to Sally. We're after time, but we're
going to try to hit Sally's question here. At this point, I'm not Rosa. If you should even
ask it. Well, you know, I just, now with what we just talked about, I think it's an
amazing thing to see how a woman can influence a man, though, too. Absolutely.
This is very, very important. How even, not just husband and wives, but how a woman
can influence her sons. Yep. How she, I mean, it's, it's, it's big thing. Okay,
I'm going to try to get this. When you were talking, when Kevin was asking about that,
my mind went to the thought of, well, now Satan is the God of this world. That's what
they call him now, the God of this world. So he has a lease. He has a lease. Yep.
So he will be that until that lease is done. Yep. Yep. Even though he's already defeated,
he's defeated. That's correct. There's still an allotment of time. That's right.
But then I was thinking when God said, let us make man, let us create man in our image
and likeness and so forth. Okay, they must, then the Godhead must have had the ability to choose
because when Adam and Eve created in that image, when they chose...
To make him in that image. What? When they chose to make him in their image.
No, well, no God, they chose to make man and Adam and then Eve. Yep.
So then they chose to really listen to the enemy and do that. So now, all of a sudden,
they've got a conscience. Now they know. Yeah. So when you were talking about all that,
I'm envisioning this. The Garden of Eden is very nice and everything is good
while everything is okay. Nothing, no sin hasn't come yet. And then you said everything
outside of it was wild and chaotic. Well, that kind of is how it is now.
Really. I mean, we have, I don't want to say Garden of Eden, but we have a lot of chaos.
And to me, I was thinking about how the conscience, everybody has a conscience.
It still follows down. They chose. Even the little people, like you were saying,
they have a conscience. They know. So now we're seeing, then I was thinking about the
wheat and the tares. And I thought we're seeing them grow up right now in front of us.
Only the angels are going to come and go through all of this. But to me, I was thinking,
this is where we are at now. A lot. That is true. In our timeline. Because you can't tell
the two until only the, only the wheat. I guess that the tares have a little black seed.
The seed looks different. Yeah. And I thought, now as things are being separated. So I mean,
there were other things too. All I should have, I could have had a whole thing of.
It all runs together. Once you see the concept, it all kind of lines up. It runs together.
Yeah. Yeah. So it was just very interesting listening to all of this. But I would like to
say this with, with Vicki, what she was saying. It's kind of hard sometimes when you're born.
And you are the first one to start breaking off.
The curses that have come down. Oh yeah. They hit you like a train.
It's a fight. It's a fight. It's a fight. And I have seen a lot of it breaking in my
family, only to find out then that there's even more. Not that I'm focusing on that, but as, as it
has been revealed. But my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren, I can also see where it has
been broken. And it's going much easier for. I think a lot of times when you're the first
one, when you come in and all of a sudden, it's like a tsunami. It's an uphill. For the
first one out, or the, you have nobody in your ancestors who truly live for God.
And you've made the stand. Everything that's set up in your family is going to try to hit you
and knock you back from making, from walking it out. And it's a fight. You have to make up
your mind. I am going to do this. And boy, there's days. It's hard. But we are more
than conquerors through him that loved us. Somebody's got to do that first plowing the
ground. Then it'll be easier for the next generation. Then by the third generation,
if everybody worked at it by the third one, it's, it's so much easier. It's kind of like
here's a good physical, you know, everything. I had one guy explain it to me this way.
He said, if you're looking for truth, if you find, it's like a railroad line.
If you find a strip of truth, he said, all other truth has to line up parallel with it.
It will all run together. It never crosses. All truth stays parallel. Well,
the whole concept we're talking about now, you're the first one out and you work.
And then you hand it on to your children and it's better. But they sometimes have to work.
And by the grandchildren, if the first two generations worked on it by the grandchildren,
they're starting to walk in some serious blessing. It's much easier. Okay. It's like
starting a business. The people who start the business, mom and dad, work.
They work their tails off. They're the janitors. They're the bookkeepers. They're the salespeople.
They're the marketing. They're everything. They work. And they build that business and hand it
on to the children. Well, they still work. But you know, we've got some momentum now. We
might be able to hire a bookkeeper and a janitor and we're not doing all of it
ourselves anymore. And by the time you get to the grandchildren, they say statistically
that's where the business starts getting lost in the grandchildren because they don't see the work
that it took to start and build it. And they start taking it for granted. And there's money.
And there's prosperity. And they start getting sloppy with it. And that's where the loss starts.
And by the time you get to the great grandchildren, many times, if the business stayed in the family
by the great grandchildren, it's lost. They lost the business. That's why financial advisors will
tell you to keep it in the family a generation or two and then get it out of the family.
Have a different board, a different setup, run it. Because if you just keep passing it down
in the family, statistically, by the fourth generation, you lose it. Now, isn't that
interesting? There is a line of truth. Three or four generations. Don't lose it in those three
or four generations. Lines right up with it. The whole concept of the first one out works
the hardest. Well, if you're going to start a business, you're going to work the hardest.
And the next generation back gets some benefits, but they're going to work too.
Well, see, it's all truth. It's all parallel. It all lines up. All truth lines up just like a bunch
of railroad tracks. Just all line up. They all go together. And he said, that's how you can
find truth. If at some point it crosses, like for instance, if you start a business as a mom
and dad, by the time it gets to your children, they should have it. If you did it right,
they should have it just free and easy. That don't line up with a lot of scriptural
principles. It doesn't line up with the three or four generations then.
Now personally, I don't think you should have to take your business out of your family.
With God, that thing should gain momentum and should be able to go a thousand generations
in the family. But boy, you're going to have to have God at the head
so that the fourth, fifth, sixth generation doesn't just squander it.
Do with it what they want. All right, we're late. Thank you for staying late.