WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:06.720 Let's go into questions and answers and see if there's anything that you specifically want 00:06.720 --> 00:12.840 to talk about. There's a mic link on that back row, I think. If you want to grab that, please. And 00:14.720 --> 00:21.120 we will see if there's anything we want to talk about. We got one up in the sound booth, 00:21.240 --> 00:29.670 so let's go there right away. I hope I'm not being, before he asks the question, let me say this, 00:30.170 --> 00:39.470 I hope I'm not being too laborious by going back and picking this apart this way to kind of show you 00:39.470 --> 00:48.510 the origins of it, how it works, how it flows. I think that gives us a bigger understanding 00:48.930 --> 00:56.270 so that we know exactly what we're dealing with. But some people get bored when you go into stuff 00:56.270 --> 01:00.810 like that. And it's like, well, just tell us what it is and how to deal with it. And it's like, well, 01:00.830 --> 01:06.270 I can do that, but sometimes it's nice not to only know how to start the car and drive it. Sometimes 01:06.270 --> 01:12.170 it's nice to know, you hear that sound? You might want to pay attention to that, because that's 01:12.170 --> 01:15.810 something going wrong. Well, I don't know what it is. I just drive my car. Well, it'd be good 01:15.810 --> 01:21.430 to learn more sometimes, you know. So that's kind of the approach I'm taking of, no, this 01:21.430 --> 01:27.670 goes all the way back. This blessing cursing thing goes all the way back. And God has never 01:27.670 --> 01:34.230 changed. He wanted and still wants only the flow of blessing. And one sin is dealt with, 01:34.330 --> 01:39.790 that's what we're going back to. Once sin, death, hell, the grave, we get past the new heavens 01:39.790 --> 01:43.630 and new earth, there won't be two choices anymore. There will only be one and be the blessing 01:43.630 --> 01:49.130 of God. And this whole other flow will be locked up in the lake of fire. But right now 01:49.130 --> 01:55.230 we're dealing with it. So all right, go ahead. So I'm trying to piece together some of this stuff. 01:56.050 --> 02:03.170 So what we talked about tonight was Adam and Eve were given the earth. They handed it over to 02:03.170 --> 02:10.670 Satan. A few thousand years went by. God had to look for Abraham to make a covenant with 02:10.670 --> 02:16.930 so he can exchange sun for sun, all that sort of stuff. What I recall is talking about last 02:16.930 --> 02:25.310 time was prior to humans, there were creatures living on the earth and they are under Satan's 02:25.310 --> 02:33.110 dominion. Yes. Did you talk about why was God able to give the earth back to humans? 02:34.490 --> 02:39.230 It was so much trouble to stay in righteousness and so many things had to come into place 02:39.230 --> 02:44.730 afterwards. Do we know what happened that gave God the authority and the legal right to give 02:44.730 --> 02:49.450 the earth to humans? Because it seems like he took it away from Satan and gave it to 02:50.270 --> 02:55.950 humans with Adam and Eve. I don't understand how that... I don't know of any place in Scripture 02:55.950 --> 03:04.090 that describes what level of ownership the devil had. He was on the earth, he ruled from 03:04.090 --> 03:11.790 the earth. It was like his planet but was that a legal? Yeah, was it his house or was 03:11.790 --> 03:21.030 rental? Yeah, kind of thing. And then the next part about that is was the Garden of Eden a 03:21.030 --> 03:28.130 physical place where it seems like if Satan was on earth and sin was in Satan, I kind of have 03:28.130 --> 03:34.450 this mental picture of well the Garden of Eden is a place where sin doesn't enter until... 03:34.450 --> 03:40.710 Yes. So when Adam and Eve had kids and they started spreading out from the Garden of Eden 03:40.710 --> 03:45.290 where the blessings have just gone out to cover the earth and pushed sin out of the way and they 03:45.290 --> 03:49.990 still would have been completely unaware that they were even pushing sin out of the way? 03:50.370 --> 03:54.330 I don't know if at some point God would have made him aware of what they were dealing with 03:54.330 --> 04:01.770 or not but you've got that exactly right. The Garden of Eden was like a oasis or like 04:01.770 --> 04:08.690 almost an island where God planted Adam and Eve and provided everything for them 04:09.390 --> 04:19.450 but beyond that it wasn't tamed yet. Let me show you. 04:23.590 --> 04:26.830 It's in Genesis 1 or 2 04:29.330 --> 04:31.850 where when he gives them the authority... 04:36.430 --> 04:40.310 Let me back up. Oh, let me... I think it's here in 1. 04:45.170 --> 04:53.110 Yes. Chapter 1 verse 26 down. God said let's make man in our image according to our likeness. 04:53.630 --> 04:56.130 Let him have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, 04:56.490 --> 05:00.510 over the cattle, over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. 05:01.250 --> 05:08.570 Let me switch translations. I went to the Amplified verse 27 so God created man in his own image 05:09.490 --> 05:15.390 verse 28 and God blessed them and said to them be fruitful multiply fill the earth and subdue it. 05:18.520 --> 05:22.320 Subdue means it's a word that means conquer it or take control of it. 05:23.760 --> 05:27.660 Subdue it using all its vast resources in the service of God and man. 05:28.780 --> 05:35.260 What were they being used for now? And have dominion over the fish of the sea, 05:35.380 --> 05:39.260 the birds of the air, and over every living creature that moves upon the earth. 05:39.960 --> 05:43.740 There was a, depending upon the translation you read, 05:44.040 --> 05:48.880 it describes it as you had the garden of Eden and everything outside of the garden 05:49.480 --> 05:53.180 was not subdued or was, it's described as wild. 05:55.240 --> 06:00.000 And it needed to be subdued. So now as Adam and Eve's family would have grown, 06:02.000 --> 06:07.460 this influence would have expanded until eventually it would have filled the whole earth. 06:07.460 --> 06:12.200 That's my understanding. In that process at some point, 06:14.020 --> 06:19.680 God I believe would have explained to him what we're dealing with here and why you have to subdue 06:19.680 --> 06:28.740 it and why there's untamed or unsubdued areas of land would have got into the fall would 06:28.740 --> 06:33.860 have gotten into Satan explained the whole thing and let him understand what they're dealing 06:33.860 --> 06:41.340 with but still wouldn't have put them in the flow of death. Yeah, they wouldn't have experienced 06:41.340 --> 06:47.780 that they'd have just ruled over it. That's my understanding that that's how it was supposed 06:47.780 --> 06:58.660 to take place. The second Adam, Jesus, 12 disciples, same pattern, exactly. They didn't have a 06:58.660 --> 07:04.460 physical spot of land that was Garden of Eden, but he invested everything into a small group of 07:04.460 --> 07:10.200 people, 12 disciples and a group of believers. And from there that was to spread and subdue the 07:10.200 --> 07:17.760 whole world. Same principle, same concept. So my understanding is at some point he'd have 07:17.760 --> 07:25.420 filled them in what we're dealing with but through their, in other words, that's good. Holy 07:25.420 --> 07:30.740 Spirit, I like that. Let me take what you just asked and apply it to a principle we said earlier. 07:32.360 --> 07:40.480 Adam and Eve, if they would not have sinned, they wouldn't have had to go around chasing demons 07:41.040 --> 07:48.180 but they would have conquered them by living in the blessing. See the concept? 07:49.160 --> 07:52.480 And we as Christians don't have to go around chasing demons. 07:53.120 --> 07:57.740 We just need to see what we're supposed to be living in and demand it to happen. 07:58.460 --> 08:01.740 And if something kicks its head up, you know, do the old Wacom thing, it's mac. 08:02.660 --> 08:08.220 Remember the Wacom game? You know, something sticks its head up, smack it, you know, deal with it. 08:08.440 --> 08:11.700 But I'm not going to walk around my whole Christian life looking for what's going to 08:11.700 --> 08:16.420 stick its head up next. I'm looking for the blessing of God to manifest in my life and 08:16.420 --> 08:21.740 if it's not manifesting in something, then I need to deal with that. The same way Adam and 08:21.740 --> 08:26.080 Eve wouldn't have walked around looking for evil and sinned, they wouldn't have understood what it was. 08:27.160 --> 08:31.640 They wouldn't have known it if they had seen it in its face. They didn't know evil. 08:32.480 --> 08:37.260 But yet if they would have lived in obedience to God, they would have subdued the earth 08:38.020 --> 08:44.720 and filled it and evil would have been squelched out. Same concept, same principle. 08:47.640 --> 08:52.980 But didn't go quite that way. Anybody else have a question or a thought you want to throw in? 08:55.610 --> 08:59.090 I have a question. Go for it. This might be silly. 09:00.970 --> 09:09.130 Do you know, I don't know, why was there even an option to choose to eat fruit? 09:10.590 --> 09:14.550 Does that make sense? Yeah. Why was that an option within the Garden of Eden? 09:15.190 --> 09:20.870 My only thought right that would come to my mind is just like that freedom of choice, 09:21.110 --> 09:27.350 to choose to serve Him and choose to obey Him. That would be my only thought. 09:28.010 --> 09:34.750 Yeah, here's my understanding on it. Before Lucifer fell, we just had one flow, 09:34.870 --> 09:43.170 the flow of God, his will, blessings, everything, life, all good. Once Lucifer sinned and fell, 09:43.170 --> 09:52.490 now we have two flows. Everything had to have the right to choose because it was in existence. 09:53.830 --> 10:05.950 Okay? So without experiencing it, they had to have the right to choose good or evil. 10:06.570 --> 10:10.930 And that's what God said. That's the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. 10:11.490 --> 10:14.570 Well, good is this flow. Evil is this one. 10:16.890 --> 10:23.930 You got to make a choice. And they made the wrong choice. They wanted to see what evil was about. 10:25.810 --> 10:29.470 And the result of that is, yeah, now we all got a good taste of what that's about. 10:29.610 --> 10:37.590 That's kind of ugly. But I think, I'm not sure, I think it's because once two choices were 10:37.590 --> 10:46.150 available, God had to make it an option for everybody to choose or the devil could accuse 10:46.150 --> 10:50.270 him like he tried to accuse him with Job. You're just protecting them. You're just 10:50.270 --> 10:54.830 kidding. If they had the right to choose me, they'd follow me. But you're just keeping 10:54.830 --> 10:59.910 them shield. You're like this overprotective mother and they're just your little robots or 10:59.910 --> 11:06.390 minions. There's another way. Why don't you be God and let them choose who they want to serve? 11:06.390 --> 11:12.630 You know, and that's kind of what he came to God with concerning Job. Well, of course he's 11:12.630 --> 11:18.310 serving you. All you do is protect him. Give him a little room to have some problems in his life. 11:18.370 --> 11:25.150 Then let's see if he serves you. And it goes back again to the concept of once there was another 11:25.150 --> 11:31.450 choice to be made, why did he let the angels make the choice? Why didn't he just 11:33.570 --> 11:37.850 breathe fireballs and all kinds of stuff out of his fingertips and just obliterate 11:39.010 --> 11:48.870 Satan? And now the choice is over. I don't know. It's just not how God works. He's fair. 11:49.110 --> 11:54.750 He's just. He's righteous. And even if it's to the detriment, he'll let us choose it. 11:56.210 --> 12:05.910 And I think Adam and Eve, without experiencing it, had to have a choice to make. Or they'd 12:05.910 --> 12:12.010 have been overprotected, so to speak. It wouldn't have been. This thing was in creation now. It was 12:12.010 --> 12:18.550 in the universe. It started in heaven. They had to have the choice that involved it. And once 12:18.550 --> 12:23.510 they made the choice then. Would it also because those two flows need to be treated 12:24.070 --> 12:27.850 equally right? He watches over them both. Yeah. In that way. 12:28.930 --> 12:34.550 Because see, he has to watch over the curse to make sure the curse actually takes place. 12:34.810 --> 12:40.850 Because if he'd stopped the flow of the curse, he'd be violating his own creation design. 12:41.890 --> 12:47.330 Because everything comes under God and lives and moves by God and receives life and breath 12:47.330 --> 12:53.050 from God. Everything. To stop this one and say, now we're not going to let that go on. Then again, 12:53.250 --> 12:59.170 that's not, that's an unjust judge. You can't, why would you stop this one and not this one? 12:59.290 --> 13:04.830 This is as legitimate as that one. So the only way he could get rid of this second flow 13:05.810 --> 13:15.750 was Jesus. There's a lot we don't understand. But I think that's how it plays out. 13:15.750 --> 13:17.210 Dave, and then we'll go to Rich. 13:19.990 --> 13:24.750 Isn't it also safe to assume, since God created us for fellowship with him, 13:25.750 --> 13:31.750 that he gave us the free will to choose to fellowship with him. And that's where true 13:31.750 --> 13:38.810 love lines fall in. I think that's another good point. Yeah, we're not forced to love him. 13:38.990 --> 13:43.510 He could have just created somebody to love him, but he didn't do that. He created us 13:43.510 --> 13:50.450 and the angels pretty much. Free will? Yeah. No, it's good. We'll go to Rich next. 13:53.630 --> 13:58.990 I've always heard that babies that are 13:59.830 --> 14:07.130 die when they're still infants, that God takes them to heaven anyway. I believe that. I do too. 14:07.750 --> 14:18.150 But I'd like to be explained that we are all born into sin. And you explain that, what that means. 14:19.090 --> 14:25.850 Especially for an infant. Yep. Good question. Romans chapter five, verse number 12. 14:30.530 --> 14:34.770 Amplified reads it this way. Therefore, a sin came into the world through one man and 14:34.770 --> 14:41.870 death is the result of sin. So death spread to all men. No one being able to stop it or escape its 14:41.870 --> 14:49.790 power because all have sinned. New King James says, therefore, just as through one man, 14:49.970 --> 14:57.350 sin entered the world and death through sin. Thus death spread to all men because all have 14:57.350 --> 15:07.930 sinned. And in that is the concept of we're born into this. We've all sinned. Okay. Here's my understanding. 15:09.730 --> 15:16.250 The Ezekiel says, Paul says, not the same way Ezekiel does, I'll quote Ezekiel. Paul says the 15:16.250 --> 15:21.850 same thing. He just says it a different way. Ezekiel says, the soul that sins, it must die 15:21.850 --> 15:26.050 or it shall die. And the only way it can get out of that is a substitute death, which 15:26.050 --> 15:29.830 that's what Jesus said. He substituted for us, gave us his life. He took our death. 15:30.430 --> 15:37.350 But once you sin, now you're subject to the second death, you're subject to a phrase that 15:37.350 --> 15:42.330 a lot of people don't like, but I don't know how else to say it. You're subject to spiritual death. 15:43.630 --> 15:50.030 Physical death isn't the big issue to God. It's the spirit being separated from him 15:50.030 --> 15:54.530 forever. It doesn't cease to exist, but it gets separated and goes with the God it served. 15:56.050 --> 16:03.710 That spiritual death, the second death, okay? Until that baby comes to the point of realization 16:03.710 --> 16:11.870 of right and wrong and makes the choice, it's innocent. It has not sinned. It does not have 16:11.870 --> 16:17.670 to die for its sin because it has not sinned. The soul that sins shall die. 16:18.710 --> 16:22.310 So there is a period of time, and I don't know how long that goes. 16:22.310 --> 16:28.310 It depends upon the intelligence of the child and so forth. But you know, you've all heard in 16:28.310 --> 16:36.750 that two-year-old range, once you can explain to them, like one of our children was just mesmerized 16:36.750 --> 16:45.170 with the plant that had the big pot full of dirt, big plant. They love to play in that dirt. 16:46.670 --> 16:47.970 Spread it, okay? 16:52.150 --> 16:57.210 Once we got it, they were old enough, we could get it across to them because they did it from the 16:57.210 --> 17:01.890 time they crawled. They'd crawl over the plant and grab it and stand up there shaking, you know, 17:02.730 --> 17:07.750 throwing the dirt. Well, you can try... they're not there yet. You can try correcting them, 17:07.870 --> 17:12.430 and they're not going to get it. You try, you try to know you can't do that. Just like 17:13.030 --> 17:16.410 talking to the wall. But there comes a point they cross 17:18.330 --> 17:25.090 where they go over to that plant and they throw it and you come up to them and you say, 17:25.250 --> 17:30.090 honey, no. You might even slap their hand a little bit, no. 17:32.830 --> 17:37.630 And you leave and you watch them peeking around the corner 17:39.910 --> 17:42.210 and they're sitting there with the big lip, you know, 17:43.690 --> 17:51.530 and once you're gone, the lip goes away. They look around, they get up, they walk over to the plant. 17:52.570 --> 17:59.930 Once they do this, they've sinned. 18:02.410 --> 18:06.230 Because now they know what they're doing is wrong. 18:07.250 --> 18:12.970 Now they've sinned. Now they don't have the understanding of life and death and Jesus on the cross and everything, 18:13.510 --> 18:17.690 but they have, they have the Adam and Eve understanding. 18:19.350 --> 18:23.050 There's fruit hanging on that tree. There's dirt in that pot. 18:24.410 --> 18:28.730 We're not supposed to touch the fruit on the tree and eat it. I'm not supposed to 18:28.730 --> 18:34.450 play with the dirt in the pot. Don't know why. Don't understand it. 18:36.230 --> 18:40.250 But I'm going to do it anyway. I'm going to eat the fruit anyway. Well, now you sinned. 18:40.650 --> 18:45.830 I'm going to play with the dirt in the pot anyway and I'm hoping I'm not going to get caught. 18:46.230 --> 18:49.370 That's when you know they know better. The conscience has kicked in. 18:49.610 --> 18:53.670 Once they're looking around to see if anybody's watching, now they know. 18:54.790 --> 19:00.270 Now they sinned. So every time you ask them to do something and they intentionally reason it out 19:00.270 --> 19:06.730 and decide not to, now they've sinned. So now they're a sinner. 19:15.490 --> 19:18.690 And they don't have to be much older than that to receive Jesus. 19:19.990 --> 19:25.890 Yep. Yep. Yeah. One of our children received Jesus, I believe in him as a three-year-old. 19:30.050 --> 19:36.670 And you can go to the Jesus side. And I disagree with abortion. I believe it's 19:36.670 --> 19:42.070 murder and all this, that and the other. But I will say this. All these babies are going to heaven. 19:43.410 --> 19:48.370 Where if they were being raised by these certain type of parents that I won't describe 19:48.370 --> 19:53.150 right now, because I might say something I'll regret later, they could be raised to 19:53.150 --> 19:59.350 end up going to hell. So I do take counsel in that one thing of, well, go ahead and abort them. 19:59.390 --> 20:04.990 It's just loading up heaven. Yeah, it is murder. It's wrong. We shouldn't be doing it. I'm all 20:04.990 --> 20:10.970 on that side. But they're innocent. They've never sinned. So there's no reason for them 20:10.970 --> 20:14.790 to pay for their sin because they've never sinned. They don't have to die spiritual death 20:14.790 --> 20:22.650 because they've never sinned. So there is a gap of time there. Absolutely. So here now, 20:24.170 --> 20:28.270 and see this is where man gets involved. Tradition gets involved. Corruption gets involved. 20:29.670 --> 20:33.210 You have to get the baby baptized or it'll go, if it dies, it goes to hell. 20:35.270 --> 20:40.930 Where'd that come from? Oh, I know that's what I know. They're the ones who do it. 20:40.930 --> 20:45.810 And a few others. But I mean, scripturally speaking, where did that come from? That's not in 20:45.810 --> 20:53.590 Scripture. There is no such thing as baby baptism in Scripture because the whole concept of baby 20:53.590 --> 21:01.310 baptism is we're born into sin. Absolutely. We are born into sin, but we're not born sinners. 21:04.630 --> 21:10.730 You can be placed in water, but that doesn't make you water. 21:12.490 --> 21:19.830 Follow the concept. You can be a car in a garage, but that doesn't make the car a garage. 21:20.810 --> 21:30.070 We are born into a body that has fallen. It will crave sin. It wants sin. It desires sin. We are 21:30.650 --> 21:37.850 placed into a sinful container. We're born into sin. But until we get to the age 21:37.850 --> 21:44.750 where we can make the choice, we're not sinners. There's a realm of time there. 21:45.950 --> 21:50.690 And then there's also the age of accountability that comes into this too, which makes a difference 21:50.690 --> 21:59.890 on things also. But my personal opinion, you know the age of accountability thing, 22:00.250 --> 22:05.130 where you've got a baby who's here. No accountability for itself at all. It doesn't 22:05.130 --> 22:11.230 understand anything. So the parents are fully accountable. Then as the baby grows and gets older, 22:11.250 --> 22:18.190 it starts understanding some things and accepts Jesus. And you're at six, seven, eight years old. 22:18.650 --> 22:24.150 Well, is that baby or is that child fully accountable for its life at that point? 22:24.410 --> 22:31.350 Absolutely. You can't understand everything. So it's growing and the parent's accountability 22:31.350 --> 22:38.430 becomes less and the child's becomes more. There's a crossover point. The Jews called that crossover 22:38.430 --> 22:46.810 point what? Age of accountability bar mitzvah, bar mitzvah. That's the celebration. It's when the 22:46.810 --> 22:53.550 child goes through puberty. And there is something that happens at puberty that changes that 22:53.550 --> 22:58.910 precious little child into something different. And there's an accountability thing that 22:58.910 --> 23:04.910 takes place. And now the parent's accountability is still there, but it's actually growing less than 23:04.910 --> 23:15.230 the child's. And according to what God told Moses, if that still stands, the child becomes fully 23:15.230 --> 23:28.350 accountable for itself at what age? It can drink at 21. Go to the army at 18, drink at 21. 23:28.350 --> 23:35.750 You know, Moses, he told, after they rebelled and God said, I'm done, you've tempted me 10 times, 23:35.990 --> 23:41.970 you're not going into the Promised Land. All the children that you said would die if we take 23:41.970 --> 23:47.590 them in are going to be the ones I take in. So everybody this age and under is going to 23:47.590 --> 23:51.410 live and everybody this age and over is going to die in the wilderness. What was that age? 23:52.130 --> 24:04.030 20. 20. You are really close. 20. So at 20, from God's perspective, we are far enough along, we 24:04.030 --> 24:11.030 become fully accountable for our choices and actions. Anything under that, we're not totally 24:11.030 --> 24:17.230 there yet. There were some 19-year-olds that lived when their parents all died in 40 years in 24:17.230 --> 24:22.210 the wilderness. They lived and had the choice later to go on the Promised Land. The point he put 24:22.210 --> 24:29.570 as children or adults was age 20. So you've got this crossover point where the child becomes 24:29.570 --> 24:34.670 fully accountable. Now, I have a personal, this is a personal belief. I don't have any 24:34.670 --> 24:42.950 scripture for this, so don't go preaching it. But before the X crosses here, you know, 24:42.950 --> 24:49.210 you've got the baby coming up, age 13, parents authority coming down. Before the X crosses, 24:50.450 --> 24:56.490 in my opinion, the parents are more accountable for the child than the child is for itself. 24:57.690 --> 25:07.390 Okay? On that basis, at least in a Christian home, should that child die, they're in heaven 25:08.910 --> 25:14.590 because the parents are saved. And I think that's part of what Paul talks about when he's talking 25:14.590 --> 25:19.430 about marriage and divorce and so forth. And he tells the Christian wife and the Christian husband, 25:19.530 --> 25:26.850 if the unbeliever is pleased to live with you, don't get rid of them because the family will 25:26.850 --> 25:34.830 be saved through that person. I think that's part of it is here. The child that's back here 25:34.830 --> 25:40.410 before 13, I think there's no question. You say, ah, but they're 10 years old. They're pretty 25:40.410 --> 25:44.790 rebellious. Yeah, but if the parents are living for God, they carry a realm of authority and 25:44.790 --> 25:49.730 accountability the child doesn't. And I believe the child's going to get in, even if they die. 25:50.330 --> 25:56.430 Now, in an unbeliever situation, I'm hoping that's the case up to like age 13, 14, right in 25:56.430 --> 26:02.950 that area, that even if they don't know Jesus, they're still not to the point of fully 26:02.950 --> 26:11.470 accountable for themselves. So God's going to let him in. I'm hoping. But full accountability 26:11.470 --> 26:18.190 comes at 20 from my understanding, something in that area. Full manhood comes at 30. I think that 26:18.190 --> 26:26.890 still stands with the Jews. But they were declared to be an adult at 13. That's where 26:26.890 --> 26:30.550 they had to start picking what they're going to do for life, begin learning the skills, 26:30.550 --> 26:37.590 begin preparing for marriage, for family, the buying the home, having the career, 26:37.890 --> 26:42.450 everything in place so that at age 30, when they were officially declared to be a man, 26:42.850 --> 26:49.230 they could marry, they were set. Which goes along with, remember Kendall Qualls' video? 26:49.870 --> 26:55.590 He said, we got to get back to the point where manhood is taking a wife, 26:55.590 --> 27:02.390 taking care of her and raising a family. Where'd he get that from? I think he got it from Jewish 27:02.390 --> 27:09.990 tradition. You were not considered a man till you were age 30. Then you could take a family. But by 27:09.990 --> 27:15.490 that point, you were supposed to have a career and occupation and a house ready to take care 27:15.490 --> 27:23.510 of a wife and family. I don't know how we got on that. But that's, it's the progression 27:23.510 --> 27:32.070 of things from baby all the way, all the way out. You want to ask a question? You can... 27:32.970 --> 27:37.030 Oh, Vicki's got it first. So let's let Vicki go. Go, Vicki. 27:38.350 --> 27:43.130 All right. This has to do with the blessings for a thousand generations. 27:43.650 --> 27:53.550 And I know you talked about that some before, about how they come down. But then they, 27:53.550 --> 27:59.370 there's that place of where it can jump. And they have that choice. And they re-establish. 27:59.790 --> 28:07.190 Yeah. So I don't know what I'm trying to say here. I thought I had it. I'll figure it out. 28:09.270 --> 28:13.810 So is, okay, if she says they go to the third and fourth generation. 28:14.710 --> 28:18.690 So, but then it comes here. What is it? He cuts it off, but that has the 28:19.370 --> 28:25.170 they have the choice. Okay, my understanding. I'll give you my understanding and see if it 28:25.170 --> 28:31.110 answers your question. If it doesn't, well, take another swat at it. My understanding is once a curse 28:32.290 --> 28:39.890 is in place, you've got, let's say it's me who starts a curse, whatever. So you got me, 28:40.370 --> 28:46.710 you got my children, you got my grandchildren, you've got my great grandchildren. It has the right, 28:48.590 --> 28:54.450 the curse will try to ride the vehicle of the generational or sins of the fathers. 28:55.170 --> 29:02.030 So what's going to try to establish is my children pick up the same sins. My grandchildren 29:02.030 --> 29:07.470 pick up their parents' sins and so forth. That's the vehicle that perpetuates it down. 29:08.410 --> 29:12.930 The ones who oversee that and minister in that would be the familiar spirits. 29:13.890 --> 29:24.430 Okay. So if I start a curse, but I recognize it a few years later, I recognize it and I break it. 29:26.050 --> 29:30.030 Now there's this agreement on this point. So I'm going to give you both sides. 29:30.290 --> 29:39.870 You decide. If I break it, it no longer has a right to my family because of the work Jesus 29:39.870 --> 29:47.710 did. If I stop it, it can't go to them. Then there's others who say no, that original thing that God 29:47.710 --> 29:54.410 said, this is how that flow works. I've limited it to three or four. Others say that's still the case. 29:54.910 --> 30:01.830 So even if I break it and I stop it, they can reestablish it. It will hang around and try to 30:01.830 --> 30:06.930 get them involved down to my great grandchildren. If they don't get involved, it's broken, 30:06.930 --> 30:14.150 it has to start all over again. However, if someone in those four generations 30:14.970 --> 30:22.530 jumps back in, because there is a, let me say it this way, you've got the sins of the father is 30:22.530 --> 30:28.990 like the truck or the car that carries the curse down to the next generation. The familiar spirits 30:28.990 --> 30:34.250 are demons are the one who tried to convince you to get into the car. They're the ministers 30:34.250 --> 30:42.770 of the curse. So if I got into, I don't know, let's say demon worship, pick something big. 30:43.210 --> 30:48.370 I got into demon worship and established a curse in my family. And then later I repented. 30:49.050 --> 30:55.990 Let's say, let's go with the second one. I will have started something in my family that 30:55.990 --> 31:06.990 has the right to go for four generations total, mine and three more. The sin of that is the vehicle, 31:07.550 --> 31:12.310 the familiar spirits are the ones who are going to try to get my lineage into that vehicle. 31:12.910 --> 31:19.830 My understanding is this. My children will have opportunities given to them to get into 31:19.830 --> 31:25.030 some form of demon worship and be encouraged by the familiar spirits trying to help them 31:25.030 --> 31:32.690 encourage them get into that. They will have opportunities that would have never shown up 31:33.250 --> 31:40.010 had I not started it. If I'd have stayed clean of it and never gotten demon worship, 31:40.690 --> 31:46.310 that vehicle would never go. That car would not go down for three, four generations carrying 31:46.310 --> 31:52.590 that curse. And the spirits attached to that trying to get people to get in on that 31:52.590 --> 31:57.750 demon worship would not be there. They'd have no right because no curse was established. 31:58.330 --> 32:03.770 So therefore what I've done is I've opened something to the generations that now they 32:03.770 --> 32:10.570 have to overcome that didn't have to be there. I messed that up. It's kind of like Adam and 32:10.570 --> 32:15.230 Eve messed it up for us. They opened up some things we would never had a deal with, 32:15.370 --> 32:20.470 but somebody opened it up and they chose to do it. So it's the same concept. 32:21.530 --> 32:26.570 However, if for four generations nobody gets into demon worship, 32:27.530 --> 32:31.210 the car goes to the junk and the familiar spirits no longer have any right to us. 32:31.670 --> 32:38.430 It's broken. It's over. It's done. If somebody in that four generations goes into demon worship, 32:38.550 --> 32:43.070 now it's reestablished in that particular leg, whatever it is. Because remember, as you have 32:43.070 --> 32:48.790 children, you got mom and dad. Let's say they have four children. Now you have four legs 32:48.790 --> 32:57.170 of lineage and each child is going to get married and this will have their own lineage and this one 32:57.170 --> 33:03.730 will have their own coming out of mom and dad. Okay. Everything flows down to my knowledge. 33:04.550 --> 33:10.310 Let's say that all these children are clean. They never get into demon worship. I started it 33:10.310 --> 33:16.850 up here. They don't get into it, but down here you've got three children and five children 33:16.850 --> 33:25.830 and two children or whatever. Somebody down here, excuse me, gets into it. That cannot go back up the 33:25.830 --> 33:31.570 line, cross over and go back down. My knowledge, that does not happen. It cannot happen. It can 33:31.570 --> 33:38.450 only flow down. So these three would remain clean. Even if this one down here got tainted, 33:39.530 --> 33:44.350 this whole part of my lineage would remain clean as long as nobody else gets involved. 33:44.910 --> 33:50.550 They won't be affected by a grandchild's choice over here to get in Satanism. Well, 33:50.550 --> 33:56.690 now it's released back into the whole family. No, it's released into that lineage of that grandchild. 33:59.550 --> 34:06.590 Now, if everybody can stay clean for four generations, we're good. Now, the other is, 34:07.070 --> 34:12.230 but if I repent and I break the curse, it can't go on to my children at all because 34:12.230 --> 34:22.530 of what Jesus did. I hope that's true. I have not experienced that. I'll just say that way. 34:23.390 --> 34:31.970 I've watched Christians who had generational things get in there and get saved and get 34:31.970 --> 34:39.190 the understanding of it and break it and watch it continue on in the family line. 34:40.050 --> 34:45.370 It didn't stop because they broke it. It's just like, there it is again. It just kept going 34:48.010 --> 34:53.530 because they made the choice. The vehicle came to them, the minister's of the vehicle, 34:54.130 --> 34:58.550 the familiar spirits, the demons were saying, hey, get in on this. This is great. Look at 34:58.550 --> 35:04.230 this opportunity you have. Things happen in the person's life that wouldn't have happened 35:04.230 --> 35:14.270 otherwise. And it just keeps on marching down. But my position, believe for the moon. 35:15.570 --> 35:24.590 Believe you can stop it right here, right now, and go for the moon because our job is to believe 35:24.590 --> 35:31.890 and all things are possible to them that believe. So if we can get, if we can really 35:31.890 --> 35:37.810 get convinced, I can kill this generational thing right here. Personally, I believe we can kill it 35:37.810 --> 35:46.270 right here and it doesn't have to go on. But if I get into Satan worship and then I realize, 35:46.470 --> 35:52.710 oh man, I'm wrong. And I ask God to forgive me and I get forgiven and I'm clean and I'm a 35:52.710 --> 35:58.630 Christian again going for heaven and I don't address this thing at all. I can guarantee 35:58.630 --> 36:04.790 you that there's going to be opportunities given to my lineage as the vehicle of the curse goes down 36:04.790 --> 36:09.650 because I release the curse. And if I don't address that and deal with it, it's automatically 36:09.650 --> 36:15.850 just going to go down because God said, I'll give it right. I'll give that flow right for three 36:15.850 --> 36:21.710 or four generations. So the max is four, the minimum is three. Did that answer it? Kind of. 36:21.710 --> 36:30.770 Yeah, but okay, say you've got something coming from two sides and you've got maybe the one side 36:30.770 --> 36:36.530 that addresses, because you've got two parents. And then you've got one parent that addresses 36:36.530 --> 36:41.550 that, but you still can't go down through if it's not. If the other one doesn't. 36:44.910 --> 36:51.330 I don't know for sure, but I believe the one who carries the most authority 36:51.330 --> 36:57.050 is the father, not the mother. So if the father will address it, even if the mother doesn't, 36:57.790 --> 37:01.730 it's going to go a lot further because it's called the sins of the fathers. 37:03.750 --> 37:07.390 If the father doesn't address it and just the mother does 37:08.490 --> 37:14.730 to God in God's perspective, the way he set up a family, the father carries more spiritual 37:14.730 --> 37:21.030 authority than the mother in a family. That's not to belittle the woman, a man and woman 37:21.030 --> 37:27.090 outside of marriage are equal in God's eyes. But in a marriage, the man carries more authority 37:27.090 --> 37:31.490 and more responsibility. He's going to answer for more in the marriage than the wife will. 37:32.230 --> 37:35.750 He's the head over the woman. And Jesus is the head over the man. 37:40.480 --> 37:44.780 Getting a little ahead of myself, but that's okay. Sins of the fathers. Why is it called 37:44.780 --> 37:50.780 sins of the fathers, not sins of the mothers? Why is the lineage in the Old Testament 37:50.780 --> 37:59.080 follow men only? I can't say only. Men by and large and women marry in. 38:00.580 --> 38:05.360 If you look at Jesus' lineage, it's basically naming men. 38:07.000 --> 38:11.220 There's a couple of spots a woman gets in, but most of the time it's men. 38:13.960 --> 38:18.700 I believe it goes back to the man is supposed to be the head of the union, 38:19.500 --> 38:25.940 is why it's called the sins of the fathers. In other words, if somebody's going to be held 38:25.940 --> 38:32.680 accountable here in this union, dad, it's going to be you because you're the one with the most 38:32.680 --> 38:37.460 authority. You're the one who's going to be held accountable. So therefore, if their sin passing 38:37.460 --> 38:48.680 down in your lineage, you're going to answer for it first because of the authority. He's 38:51.020 --> 38:55.180 going to be held accountable. So then this question comes, what if they're divorced? 38:57.440 --> 39:06.400 And the man's not on scene. Now again, I don't know if scripture addresses this. So I'm going 39:06.400 --> 39:16.820 by different experiences that I've heard people have and they've had. Once a lineage is created 39:16.820 --> 39:21.280 from God's perspective, he don't care if you're divorced or not. That's your lineage. 39:23.400 --> 39:28.960 That's your offspring. It doesn't become, for instance, if Mary and I got divorced, 39:29.600 --> 39:36.280 well, she gave birth to them. So now they're her kids. I'm free. They're not my kids. 39:37.300 --> 39:44.920 Well, according to God, there is much my kids as her kids, whether I ran off and she had to raise 39:44.920 --> 39:50.700 them, whether I disappeared and never saw them again in my lifetime. When we stand before God, 39:51.360 --> 39:59.100 they're all our children. Whether we're divorced, lived together, made no difference. When we get 39:59.100 --> 40:05.560 before God and we answer for our lineage, I will answer with her unless, of course, 40:05.700 --> 40:12.880 she's not there. She went to hell. Or I'm not there. I went to hell and she's there. 40:14.480 --> 40:18.540 Then we answer separately, but we're still going to answer. I'm going to have judgment. She's going 40:18.540 --> 40:22.620 to have a judgment. It's just not going to be together. It's going to be separate. Whether 40:22.620 --> 40:28.740 you even got married or never got married, if both of you go to heaven, when the lineage 40:28.740 --> 40:35.220 lines up, you're going to take your spot because you're either mom or dad. You can't get out 40:35.220 --> 40:40.840 of that. It's who you are. And it just works its way down the lineage. 40:42.880 --> 40:43.900 How do we get on that? 40:47.980 --> 40:53.720 How they went down. Oh, the fathers and the mothers. Yes. The father carries the most 40:53.720 --> 40:59.460 authority scripturally. Yeah. And it started with Adam and Eve 41:01.780 --> 41:08.860 because she sinned. So then that set up. And then what came out of that is sin got a hold 41:08.860 --> 41:11.740 of that. The curse got a hold of that. And the man started abusing the woman, 41:12.460 --> 41:17.700 viewing her as property and everything else. But the authority set up because she was, 41:17.960 --> 41:23.980 Timothy explains it, because she was tempted and deceived. The man becomes the authority figure 41:23.980 --> 41:31.740 in the marriage family. And so I'm going to stand up for the women now because sometimes 41:31.740 --> 41:37.340 women feel bad. Like the women were deceived. We were the weaker ones. So now the man's 41:37.340 --> 41:49.340 the head of the family. But Adam sinned too. Women lost the equal status in the marriage, 41:49.620 --> 41:56.880 so to speak, when they sinned. And it became the woman comes under the man in authority 41:56.880 --> 42:08.440 structure. When the man sinned, both of them lost with God and salvation. Both of them lost eternity 42:10.040 --> 42:16.800 when the man sinned. So the woman sinned is really a little thing compared to the man's. 42:17.380 --> 42:20.880 God said, well, you know, now we're not going to go equal anymore. The woman's going to have 42:20.880 --> 42:26.640 to be subjective under the man. But when the man sinned, it's like, well, now you're all 42:26.640 --> 42:30.000 lost. You're going to get kicked out of the Garden of Eden. You're all going to hell without a savior. 42:31.420 --> 42:39.740 So who did the bigger problem here? It was the man. It wasn't the woman. But, you know, 42:39.800 --> 42:44.120 I've heard denominations, it's part of their writings that they say because the woman was 42:44.120 --> 42:49.360 deceived, she has to be in subjection. So therefore we do not allow any woman to 42:49.360 --> 42:52.280 have any authority in the church whatsoever because the women were deceived. 42:53.820 --> 42:58.100 Well, yeah, the woman was deceived, but the man made the willful choice to sin. 42:59.480 --> 43:05.420 That ain't better. That's worse, in my opinion. But anyway, that's why I believe it goes down 43:05.420 --> 43:10.760 the man's side because the authority set up that took place. That's why it's called 43:10.760 --> 43:14.640 Sins of the Fathers. Okay, now we'll go to Sally. We're after time, but we're 43:14.640 --> 43:18.820 going to try to hit Sally's question here. At this point, I'm not Rosa. If you should even 43:18.820 --> 43:24.360 ask it. Well, you know, I just, now with what we just talked about, I think it's an 43:24.360 --> 43:29.100 amazing thing to see how a woman can influence a man, though, too. Absolutely. 43:29.800 --> 43:36.400 This is very, very important. How even, not just husband and wives, but how a woman 43:36.400 --> 43:44.000 can influence her sons. Yep. How she, I mean, it's, it's, it's big thing. Okay, 43:44.000 --> 43:52.280 I'm going to try to get this. When you were talking, when Kevin was asking about that, 43:52.360 --> 43:56.880 my mind went to the thought of, well, now Satan is the God of this world. That's what 43:56.880 --> 44:02.200 they call him now, the God of this world. So he has a lease. He has a lease. Yep. 44:02.840 --> 44:08.280 So he will be that until that lease is done. Yep. Yep. Even though he's already defeated, 44:08.940 --> 44:12.020 he's defeated. That's correct. There's still an allotment of time. That's right. 44:12.020 --> 44:18.460 But then I was thinking when God said, let us make man, let us create man in our image 44:18.460 --> 44:23.520 and likeness and so forth. Okay, they must, then the Godhead must have had the ability to choose 44:25.260 --> 44:29.300 because when Adam and Eve created in that image, when they chose... 44:30.660 --> 44:35.100 To make him in that image. What? When they chose to make him in their image. 44:35.240 --> 44:40.440 No, well, no God, they chose to make man and Adam and then Eve. Yep. 44:40.440 --> 44:47.900 So then they chose to really listen to the enemy and do that. So now, all of a sudden, 44:47.960 --> 44:54.900 they've got a conscience. Now they know. Yeah. So when you were talking about all that, 44:55.100 --> 45:00.440 I'm envisioning this. The Garden of Eden is very nice and everything is good 45:01.240 --> 45:07.660 while everything is okay. Nothing, no sin hasn't come yet. And then you said everything 45:07.660 --> 45:15.520 outside of it was wild and chaotic. Well, that kind of is how it is now. 45:16.580 --> 45:22.160 Really. I mean, we have, I don't want to say Garden of Eden, but we have a lot of chaos. 45:22.780 --> 45:28.460 And to me, I was thinking about how the conscience, everybody has a conscience. 45:29.260 --> 45:35.040 It still follows down. They chose. Even the little people, like you were saying, 45:35.040 --> 45:40.560 they have a conscience. They know. So now we're seeing, then I was thinking about the 45:40.560 --> 45:45.280 wheat and the tares. And I thought we're seeing them grow up right now in front of us. 45:46.940 --> 45:52.020 Only the angels are going to come and go through all of this. But to me, I was thinking, 45:52.020 --> 46:01.160 this is where we are at now. A lot. That is true. In our timeline. Because you can't tell 46:01.800 --> 46:10.840 the two until only the, only the wheat. I guess that the tares have a little black seed. 46:11.980 --> 46:18.760 The seed looks different. Yeah. And I thought, now as things are being separated. So I mean, 46:18.820 --> 46:22.520 there were other things too. All I should have, I could have had a whole thing of. 46:22.700 --> 46:28.760 It all runs together. Once you see the concept, it all kind of lines up. It runs together. 46:29.560 --> 46:36.040 Yeah. Yeah. So it was just very interesting listening to all of this. But I would like to 46:36.040 --> 46:41.360 say this with, with Vicki, what she was saying. It's kind of hard sometimes when you're born. 46:42.040 --> 46:45.460 And you are the first one to start breaking off. 46:47.840 --> 46:51.480 The curses that have come down. Oh yeah. They hit you like a train. 46:52.200 --> 46:57.340 It's a fight. It's a fight. It's a fight. And I have seen a lot of it breaking in my 46:57.340 --> 47:04.200 family, only to find out then that there's even more. Not that I'm focusing on that, but as, as it 47:04.200 --> 47:11.100 has been revealed. But my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren, I can also see where it has 47:11.100 --> 47:17.120 been broken. And it's going much easier for. I think a lot of times when you're the first 47:17.120 --> 47:24.920 one, when you come in and all of a sudden, it's like a tsunami. It's an uphill. For the 47:24.920 --> 47:29.880 first one out, or the, you have nobody in your ancestors who truly live for God. 47:31.160 --> 47:37.500 And you've made the stand. Everything that's set up in your family is going to try to hit you 47:37.500 --> 47:43.140 and knock you back from making, from walking it out. And it's a fight. You have to make up 47:43.140 --> 47:52.880 your mind. I am going to do this. And boy, there's days. It's hard. But we are more 47:52.880 --> 47:59.220 than conquerors through him that loved us. Somebody's got to do that first plowing the 47:59.220 --> 48:03.900 ground. Then it'll be easier for the next generation. Then by the third generation, 48:04.320 --> 48:11.760 if everybody worked at it by the third one, it's, it's so much easier. It's kind of like 48:12.320 --> 48:17.580 here's a good physical, you know, everything. I had one guy explain it to me this way. 48:17.580 --> 48:23.940 He said, if you're looking for truth, if you find, it's like a railroad line. 48:24.420 --> 48:31.500 If you find a strip of truth, he said, all other truth has to line up parallel with it. 48:32.180 --> 48:39.820 It will all run together. It never crosses. All truth stays parallel. Well, 48:39.980 --> 48:43.980 the whole concept we're talking about now, you're the first one out and you work. 48:44.580 --> 48:51.200 And then you hand it on to your children and it's better. But they sometimes have to work. 48:51.840 --> 48:55.320 And by the grandchildren, if the first two generations worked on it by the grandchildren, 48:55.820 --> 49:01.640 they're starting to walk in some serious blessing. It's much easier. Okay. It's like 49:01.640 --> 49:09.180 starting a business. The people who start the business, mom and dad, work. 49:10.660 --> 49:14.900 They work their tails off. They're the janitors. They're the bookkeepers. They're the salespeople. 49:15.040 --> 49:21.480 They're the marketing. They're everything. They work. And they build that business and hand it 49:21.480 --> 49:27.480 on to the children. Well, they still work. But you know, we've got some momentum now. We 49:27.480 --> 49:31.060 might be able to hire a bookkeeper and a janitor and we're not doing all of it 49:31.060 --> 49:37.360 ourselves anymore. And by the time you get to the grandchildren, they say statistically 49:37.360 --> 49:43.420 that's where the business starts getting lost in the grandchildren because they don't see the work 49:43.420 --> 49:50.100 that it took to start and build it. And they start taking it for granted. And there's money. 49:50.720 --> 49:57.640 And there's prosperity. And they start getting sloppy with it. And that's where the loss starts. 49:57.960 --> 50:02.320 And by the time you get to the great grandchildren, many times, if the business stayed in the family 50:02.320 --> 50:09.480 by the great grandchildren, it's lost. They lost the business. That's why financial advisors will 50:09.480 --> 50:13.400 tell you to keep it in the family a generation or two and then get it out of the family. 50:15.320 --> 50:20.420 Have a different board, a different setup, run it. Because if you just keep passing it down 50:20.420 --> 50:25.240 in the family, statistically, by the fourth generation, you lose it. Now, isn't that 50:25.240 --> 50:35.020 interesting? There is a line of truth. Three or four generations. Don't lose it in those three 50:35.020 --> 50:42.280 or four generations. Lines right up with it. The whole concept of the first one out works 50:42.280 --> 50:45.980 the hardest. Well, if you're going to start a business, you're going to work the hardest. 50:47.180 --> 50:51.140 And the next generation back gets some benefits, but they're going to work too. 50:51.980 --> 50:56.780 Well, see, it's all truth. It's all parallel. It all lines up. All truth lines up just like a bunch 50:56.780 --> 51:03.560 of railroad tracks. Just all line up. They all go together. And he said, that's how you can 51:03.560 --> 51:07.980 find truth. If at some point it crosses, like for instance, if you start a business as a mom 51:07.980 --> 51:12.200 and dad, by the time it gets to your children, they should have it. If you did it right, 51:12.300 --> 51:16.980 they should have it just free and easy. That don't line up with a lot of scriptural 51:16.980 --> 51:22.140 principles. It doesn't line up with the three or four generations then. 51:23.540 --> 51:28.060 Now personally, I don't think you should have to take your business out of your family. 51:29.960 --> 51:35.260 With God, that thing should gain momentum and should be able to go a thousand generations 51:36.160 --> 51:40.340 in the family. But boy, you're going to have to have God at the head 51:41.580 --> 51:46.960 so that the fourth, fifth, sixth generation doesn't just squander it. 51:47.900 --> 51:51.100 Do with it what they want. All right, we're late. Thank you for staying late.