Do we have any questions or thoughts or anything right out of the gates?
One up there. One over there. Okay. We'll go there and start there.
Alright. Got a few questions here, but I'll just narrow it down to the two that are uppermost in my mind.
We had some come in online too, didn't we? Did you catch those?
I didn't see any, but I will check.
Okay. I think I had one sent to me. You go ahead and then I'll come back and catch this one.
Okay.
Okay. So two things, and then I'll just answer one.
In all the list of manifestation things at the beginning, you kind of touched on this at the end,
but I didn't hear you say anything about nightmares, tormenting, dreams, any of that sort of stuff.
Does that not indicate something inside? Does that come from the outside?
It can be either one. Yeah. It can be either one. It doesn't have to be inside.
It can be either one.
So I don't, just because someone is nightmares doesn't necessarily make me think they have a demon.
They could be being tormented or harassed.
Now if they wake up and see him standing in the room, well now you're seeing in the spirit realms.
You know, that's something different.
The situation I am thinking of that I'm personally aware of is somebody who is dealing with
being chased by demonic beings in their dreams.
Never seen one awake or anything like that.
They may have one. And again they may not. It could be a picture or a type of something.
Let's go talk to the Holy Spirit and figure out.
Or let's just watch them in other ways because if they have one it will manifest.
Especially the more we talk about God, the more we talk about his freedom,
the more we talk about how good he is and his love, his blood.
You just start talking about those things with the person.
If there's something in there, that baby will manifest.
And then the other one is you talked about not laying hands on someone because it's tormenting.
However, Friday night the person you were holding their hand, that's different than...
Can you explain the difference between touching someone and laying on hands?
Holding her, the person's hand was an act of calming her, showing her love, showing her respect,
do not be afraid, everything's going to be alright.
Remember the person was saying, this won't work, this is bad, this isn't going to happen.
Remember they were kind of wound up themselves.
And just holding their hand and just showing love and now this is going to be fine,
everything's going to be taken care of, that is different than when you lay hands on a person
it is an act of taking control, even when you're praying for healing.
It's an act of taking control over that sickness or that disease in the name of Jesus.
So you're going to overcome that now with the person and their faith.
Holding hands is a thing of support. It is a very good question.
I've never had anybody say their hands were on fire if I held their hands.
Now the eye thing, since you brought it up, let's go to the eye thing,
because for whatever reason glasses block this a little bit.
So I'll take my glasses off so I can look eye to eye.
Do you remember what the person did the first time I said, lift up your eyes, look at me.
Remember what they said and what they did?
They turned away, they looked down, they said, I can't, I can't, it's too bright.
Well, the spirit wasn't all the way down yet. It was still receding.
And they were feeling what the spirit was feeling.
Remember the eye is the opening to the temple.
I have the Holy Spirit living in me. You have the Holy Spirit living in you.
The Holy Spirit is equal with Jesus and the Father.
They are described in Scripture as being blinding white light.
So if a little of that is shooting out of the windows,
that spirit is going, oh, I can't know.
And it's one of the first things you can tell if there's something in there.
And many times after I do deliverance, I'll say, now look in my eyes.
And I will release again from my spirit out my eyes and I'll ask them, do your eyes burn?
No, they're fine. We're good.
Either we've gone as far in peeling the onion as you can get.
Because remember, I said this in the previous book when we were going through that.
God will take them out little by little so you can inhabit and fill that part of your life.
He's not going to just clean sweep it. It's a process.
And once you've gotten as far as it's going to get, nothing else.
Don't go after anything else. Leave it alone.
And at a different time, that'll be dealt with.
But once you've gotten to the point where this is as far as it goes,
when you release faith and the Spirit of God into their eyes, looking at them,
it will burn them to no end. Or it will be so bright.
No, no. That means something still there needs to go.
Once it's like me looking at you now.
No, that's fine. I don't feel anything.
We're good. We're as far as we can go.
That's... again, it's not...
We have to get past the physical thinking.
Well, how can looking at your eyes do that?
This isn't physical eyeball to physical eyeball.
This is spirit to spirit.
And it goes in through the gate of the eye.
That's why Jesus said, the eye is the opening to the temple.
So I'm not trying to physically look at your eyes and see something.
I am trying to release of the spiritual light within me into your eyes.
And if there's something in there, it'll find it.
And it will cause a reaction.
Going along with that, there's a question texted to me.
Let me get this one right away. It went along with what was just asked.
This question is, is it possible that when you touch a person, can the demon come on to you?
Okay, so now we're going to answer this by staying calm...
and staying out of fear.
Let me say it this way.
I'll start with this example.
Jesus said, out of your innermost being will flow rivers of living water.
He said that in John 9 or 10, in John 7, he said,
salvation is like a spring bubbling up inside of us.
Have any of you have any experience with a spring that comes out of the ground?
Like artesian or otherwise?
Is it possible to take dirt and mud and throw it at that spring and it stays there?
It sticks to that spring?
No, because what's inside just washes it away.
So that salvation, then he was speaking of the Holy Spirit.
When you get the Holy Spirit, it will be like a river coming out of you.
You can't take a bottle of coke and pour it on a river and do anything.
The river just washes it away. It's just gone.
If we are full and overflowing, can't get on you.
Can't touch you. Can't grab you.
There is the key.
But this is a good question because it triggers things in my mind.
Childhood, there was a couple of times where demons would manifest in a service.
Nothing ever got cast out to my memory.
But demons would manifest and people would get up and leave the service, go home.
Because they knew that wasn't God.
And they didn't want it to get on them.
Well, if you are full and overflowing, it won't get on you.
It can't.
A cup that has got water coming in from the inside and running out over the edge,
you can put food color and dot droppers and all kinds of stuff in there
and it will hit the water and mix a little bit and just go out over the edge.
It will be gone. It can't get in.
But now if that cup is half full and nothing is coming out, it's not overflowing,
well now you can get stuff in. There is room.
So to answer the question is when you touch someone, can they get on you?
Yes. If you are not full of God.
If you are full, it's like trying to grab a greasy pig.
You won't get ahold of it. It won't touch you.
So the whole concept of we have to be really careful,
because there are people who believe this, I presume it has been taught.
It was kind of taught when I was growing up,
not from the pulpit but from other people.
You are young, you are impressionable, you hear people talking
and your parents say, well they left the service and I asked them why.
And well because they were afraid whatever demon was on them was going to get on them.
Well then your head goes, well can that happen?
Sure it can happen.
If you are not full.
If you are full of God and it's bubbling out of you, you are full of the Spirit.
I wouldn't be concerned at all.
If you are not, guess what the problem is?
It's not the demon.
It's you.
You need to get full.
Well I can't go to that church anymore.
I went there and I've had people say this and I'm not making fun.
This is for real what happened to them.
I went to a church man.
They were casting some demons out.
That thing got on me and followed me home.
My life was tormented for the next two or three weeks before I finally got rid of it.
It's not the church's problem and it's not the demon's problem.
It's your problem.
You are not full overflowing.
That's why it got on you.
You need to brush up in your spiritual life and get some things in order and get the Spirit flowing.
But to answer the question, is it possible?
Yes, it's possible.
I've seen it happen.
But it doesn't happen to people who are full and overflowing.
It doesn't happen.
So hopefully that answers that.
Anybody else got anything?
Two things.
When you were talking about in the very beginning about the, for it, the demon.
The thought had come to me there must have been a flicker of a conscience somewhere.
Even that it wanted you to apologize for them to the individual.
Once it got, we'll use the word saved.
Once it was reconciled. Yes, there had to be.
But that was kind of just interesting to think that there was something stirring.
Well, but then we obviously weren't here on Friday night or don't know about it.
So I have a question regarding that.
You snooze, you lose.
Well, I want to know when everything started.
How was it determined who was going to be in charge?
Why were there so many suddenly there all doing?
Because I gave, I called them up and gave them the opportunity.
This was a, I was going to use it as an object lesson.
Because you know it's, it's, I'll explain it this way.
When you're looking for help and you put in the ad experience required.
There's a difference between book knowledge and experiential knowledge.
And I thought this is a good opportunity and there'll be more.
There'll be more coming.
And, okay, thank you.
So I wanted whoever of the group who wanted to, to experience it.
Because it, it changes you.
It makes you look at things differently.
Well then, yeah, that was so good that the person was there.
I mean, in spite of.
Yeah.
And they felt fine about it afterwards.
You know, I said we're not trying to embarrass you or anything like that.
It, it happened.
So let's gain as much out of this as we can.
And they were fine with that.
Let me read one off the wall that came in.
When you dealt with the one in anger, you backed up to calm down.
Do you need to repent of falling into anger in that process?
Yes.
Just calming down doesn't address.
It addresses the physical side, but not the spiritual side.
The spiritual side had, yeah, God, I'm sorry, I confess that a sin.
And it doesn't have to be a big, you know, flailing yourself and, you know, everything else.
God, I'm sorry, I was wrong.
I got in the wrong area there.
I'm sorry.
I confess it a sin.
It's all you have to do.
If we confess our sin, he takes care of the rest.
And you go right back into it.
And that was another one I learned the hard way.
Because the first couple of times something was brought up or happened where I knew I was wrong.
I quit doing the deliverance.
And they figured that out.
You know, it doesn't take them long.
They're all standing around watching what's going on here, especially if they're part of that kingdom.
And hey, if we can, if we can even make him think he's guilty of something that maybe he's not even guilty of.
Accuser of the brethren stuff.
You ever hear about that before?
You know, so we'll just throw something out, throw them off, and then he'll just quit the deliverance thing.
And the Holy Spirit talked to me about it.
He said, what are you doing?
I said, well, I don't, I have no right or authority to cast them out.
I, they called me out on, like for instance, the Halloween thing.
I shared that story when that spirit called me out and said,
you celebrate Halloween, what gives you the right to cast me out?
You're a sinner as much as I am.
Well, I have no right to cast them out.
You know, the first times those kind of things happened, it was like condemnation to me.
It took my faith away. I'm guilty. I'm wrong.
I'm, now I got to go out and fix my life before I can do anything here.
And the Holy Spirit said, what are you doing?
Well, I'm trying to fix myself so I'm worthy.
He said, you'll never be worthy.
Confess your sin.
And it's gone. And keep doing what you're doing.
We'll talk later about the problem they brought up.
Just get rid of the problem.
So I did that.
And it was funny the first time I did it.
Well, you do blah, blah, blah, blah.
Said, you know what? You're right.
I think I've done that.
Father forgive me. I'm sorry.
I confessed that a sin.
Oh, it's got big.
I said, now I'm back to the subject.
Last time they ever did it.
Because now it's gone.
Forgiveness is that quick.
Forgiveness is that easy if we just mean it.
You know, for playing some kind of game, well, that's different.
But I mean, if we mean it like, yeah, you're right.
It's an area I've messed up. I'm sorry.
You were driving 65 on the way over here in a 60.
And now you're going to tell me?
You got the authority over me when you're a sinner?
Oh.
Let's just deal with it.
Let's not argue with them. I was not.
Yes, you were. No, I was not.
How do you know? You weren't there.
Well, now you're off.
You're off into a distraction.
Okay, let's say I was.
Father, if I was doing this, forgive me.
I put it under the blood. I asked, forgive me.
We'll work on that in the future.
End of subject. Let's move on.
That fast.
It's not our holiness and righteousness.
It's his.
We just step into it.
Okay, one more down here, and then I got one up there yet.
Okay, I've had two different
incidents manifesting.
It was almost like she was trying to
crawl into my skin and into me.
Do you know if she was saved or not?
Or you didn't know at that point?
I just met her that night at the beginning.
Okay, go on.
And then the second time,
I was at my house, had a
lady stop by for a drive-by prayer.
And I'm just
praying over her, you know.
And all of a sudden, we get the
siren call coming out, and all of a sudden
she's walking around on my cell phone.
I'm like, okay.
Well, God, I don't know what to do.
I'm just calling on you.
I'm not going to do this unless you're going to be a part of it.
And then all of a sudden peace,
and she was in and out the door
with less than half an hour.
Okay. So let's deal with one at a time.
The first one, you didn't know if she was saved or not?
Yes.
You never do deliverance on someone
if they're not saved.
Never, because you are going to mess them up.
You think you're doing them a favor,
but you're setting them up because
they've got no guard at all.
I mean, that spirit will willfully leave
because it knows it's coming right back
with a whole bunch of friends.
So you never do it with an unsafe...
If you don't know if they're saved, just leave it alone.
You say, well, Jesus did it
with people and they weren't saved.
Well, there was no salvation yet.
So what choice did he have?
And Jesus operated
as God
and he knew exactly what he was doing
and how to do it.
I'm not God, and I will willfully admit
I don't know exactly
what I'm doing a lot of times or how to do it.
We're just flying this plane
by hoping to keep it in the air.
We're happy with that.
So when she started...
When you started feeling that
or so forth, what I had done is
Lord, don't let her be embarrassed.
Don't let this thing manifest.
We need to get her saved.
We need to get her going the right direction
and we'll deal with this later.
But the worst thing right now
is she makes a big display.
Accept it, be your will.
If he wants it to blow up, let her blow.
Otherwise, try to protect her.
That's love.
And don't address the thing. Leave it alone.
We got to first find out if she saved or not.
The second person, I presume,
was saved because they were dropping by
for prayer.
So they're flopping around.
First thing we do.
Test time. First thing we do.
Command it to go down.
I don't want to mess with you.
I don't want to talk with you.
I'm not entertained by you.
Go down and talk to her about what just happened
and start steering her
the right direction so that
she can get delivered of it.
But just to go right after it
because it's manifesting?
I wouldn't do that.
There's, again,
you're not dealing with the strongman.
You're not
knowing if you even have
the authority to do this.
Do some basic things first.
Some groundwork first.
You can get it out.
I mean, you could have went right after it
and eventually, it might have taken a few hours,
eventually you got it out.
Where if you back up, get some groundwork,
explain to her, have her do James 4-7,
have her understand what we're looking at.
You'll speak to it and it'll leave.
It'll just be that easy.
So you can do it the hard way or the easy way.
I did the hard way for so long
that I just prefer the easy way now.
That would be my advice on that.
Get her on the same page with you.
You know, one of the deliverances
that...
So now I'm going to...
I'm going to...
with permission,
if he gives me permission,
I'm going to share a story
that helped change my life.
Kevin, can I share
that deliverance thing
from years and years ago
when you were a new Christian
and you came for some deliverance?
Did I care with that? Okay.
He was a new Christian.
Just starting to live for God
came out of a background
where he was heavily involved
with Dungeons and Dragons in that realm.
And he was also
at that point
very addicted to porn.
And he was just a new Christian
just coming out of that
and
he said,
I need deliverance. I know I got problems.
So we talked about it some
and I gave him an assignment.
I said, here's what we do.
I said, for the next two... I think it was two weeks.
Three weeks?
Okay. We set an appointment out of ways.
I said, I want you to be in prayer.
I want you to be in the Word
and I want you to fast a certain amount
for the purpose of deliverance.
And he did all those things
and it was one of
the easiest deliverances
in my life.
And I'm going,
that was nice.
That worked really well
and the Holy Spirit
taught me some things about
or through that.
It had a huge impression on him
because he got free.
Had a huge impression
on me of
there's a hard way to do things
and there's an easy way to do things.
And a statement came back
to me from the guy
who taught me deliverance.
He said, number one,
he said, I will never do deliverance
until I got him saved. Never.
I'm not going to mess with evil spirits
until the spirit is in there.
Number one.
And number two,
he said, dealing with
the person being saved,
he said, I want them
pulling with me.
I didn't understand that.
And I'm green. I don't know.
So you'll agree. You want the demons out?
Well, they're pulling with me.
No, no, that's not pulling with you.
Pulling with you is they are
laying hold to their life spiritually
and trying to get movement
on their own.
Then you just come up in pocket
and it's gone. It's just easy.
Versus
they're still living in sin.
They were out sleeping with somebody last night
and today we're going to cast
out a spirit or a generational
thing of adultery.
This is going to go well.
It's going to be a lot
of exciting fun.
And I'm kind of getting too old
for that kind of excitement.
You deal with what you know the
issues are, then come
and I might not even have to do anything
because you've already dealt with it.
So
that
what happened
with him gave
me huge insight that there is
a harder way and an easier way
to do this. What I'm trying to explain to you
over and over, do it the easy way
like with this lady flopping on your couch.
You can just jump on that
and go after it and we're going to get that thing out
and I'm not saying it wouldn't
work. You probably won't get
the strong man. You know, if I was
betting on it, I guarantee you, you're not
going to get the strong man. But you'll get
some out and you'll be
frothing and wet and
horse and everything else by the time
you're done. Or you can just
back up and get her on board
with you. And get her renouncing
according to James 4-7.
It might not even feel
right to do it right now. It might be
let's wait a few days and
give her some reading assignments. Give her
let her stir
some. And then you can just go back
and it's so easy.
It just better that way.
Let me read the next one.
What do you say to another
person's child
about
ghosts being real?
If you know in your heart
it really is demons.
Okay.
You're dealing with children.
Now you have
legal liability issues.
Because
they are not under your guardianship.
They're under another person's guardianship.
So
number one, you don't cast demons
out of children.
You don't give children
all kinds of spiritual advice
until mom and dad are
on board.
Somebody's got to be on board here.
So
I would talk to
mom first,
dad first,
whatever the Holy Spirit leads, whoever seems to be
the most receptive.
I'd talk to them first and say, hey,
little Johnny came and talked to me about this.
They're wondering if ghosts are real. I don't know
if they're seeing things. Maybe they did tell you
they're seeing things, whatever.
Do you know anything about demons?
Because ghosts are actually demons from my understanding
what the Bible says.
And see if you can get them on board.
Once you got them on board,
now you can make a plan to help the child.
Because
stop and think of this. So you've got a child,
they come to you and they say,
are ghosts real? Because I think sometimes
there's a ghost in my bedroom.
Honey, ghosts are actually demons.
This is devils in your bedroom.
Go home and have a good night's rest, honey.
You know, what
what good did you do that child?
You scared the magibbers out of them.
We want to help the child.
So I would
first deal with the parents,
keep myself out of legal problems,
things like that.
And then, yes,
get the child. Ultimately,
what we want is get the child free.
And again, if they're as a child
seeing these kind of things, probably generational stuff.
So yeah,
that'd be good.
But take the soft way in.
Did anybody else hear?
You still got the mic? Okay, we'll read the other one.
I have a question based on last week.
If the womb is a secret hidden place
and generational
curses are believed to not be
able to affect the
pre-born, how
do genetic deformities
and conditions happen?
Good question.
Excellent question.
Genetic
and
spiritual are two different realms.
One is physical.
One is spiritual.
Can spirits
help
mess with genetics? I believe so.
I think they can.
But genetics
are all... if you have
a genetic deformity
you don't need a spirit
to... that
body will just
be deformed. It's a genetic
deformity. Whether a spirit's there
or not has nothing to do with it.
Not all genetic
stuff is demon
at the core.
We have a huge amount of
pesticides in our
environment. We have a huge
amount of toxins
in our environment. We have
a huge amount of stuff that
they are discovering.
Don't ask
the normal medical community.
You've got to ask the holistic
medical community. But we have a huge
amount of stuff that gets introduced
into our bodies via vaccines.
And all these
build up
and can cause
issues physically in the body.
Which can cause
deformities in children.
If you've got... you know, they
can test. They could test
years ago for some of this stuff. But the more
we go, if you'll get...
If you know you have a weakness in your
genetics, they will
test you and say whether you should
actually marry this person or not. Because
if you do, you have a higher risk
of this deformity
taking place.
For instance,
if a brother marries a sister
there doesn't have to be demons involved
there at all. The chances
of having problems
purely genetic
but the chances of having
problems just skyrocket.
Because
it's not...
our bloodlines,
our genetic system
is not pure enough anymore
to do what Adam and Eve did.
I mean, or Noah did.
When they repopulated the world,
brothers were marrying sisters.
And the
human DNA and everything was pure enough
to be able to stand up under that
and repopulate. We're
not that pure anymore.
That's why even as
a young person growing up
boho
decades ago
I knew the medical community
said, you don't marry
your sister, you don't marry your first cousin,
your second cousin's iffy.
Why?
Because you're going to end up with genetic
deformities.
You're going to have problems, not demonic
based at all. It's plain
our DNA
is not what it used to be
as the human race.
And there's weaknesses in it
and you combine certain weaknesses
you're going to have problems.
So I think that
answers that question.
It doesn't have to happen in the wound
because of demons. It can happen because
the DNAs
just weren't strong enough
to create the right thing or some damage
entered in through a toxin
or otherwise and caused the problem.
Anybody else have a question?
Okay.
I don't have anything else
that came in that way. We're good here?
All right.
So, you know, like I said
we were supposed to get done with curses first
and this was a whole night session by itself
that we were going to deal with later
on here's how you cast
we've been talking self deliverance a lot.
Here's how you cast demons out of other people
kind of give you some guidelines just to make it easier.
I mean, there's a hard way to do it, easy way to do it.
Here's just some of the things I've learned
you'll learn some things that might even work better
than what I've learned and that's all fine.
There's just an easier way to do it.
So, this was supposed to be a package all by itself
aside from
any kind of
curses or so forth
but we had an incident
so now I felt, well, let's
let's strike the iron while the iron's hot
because it'll make the most sense now.