All right, we're going to go to questions and answers. If I can get someone to run a mic while
they're doing that, I'm going to answer a couple of these questions. What if the parents of a child
agrees with what the state does? And will the child get the curse too? So you tell me.
So with what Minnesota is deciding to do here, the parents aren't full, you know,
so their child wants a sex change? Yep. That's all right. Let's do it.
Will that child pick up the curse? Absolutely. You've submitted yourself to it. You've opened your life
to it, another way to say it. Or we say you've opened a door, you've opened a gate to it.
Anytime there's something that's of the demonic realm and you open your life to it,
you're going to pick up a curse. It can be as simple as music. If it's not
God-glorifying music, but it's very obviously of the kingdom of darkness,
and you open yourself up to it. I love that song. I sing that song. I listen to that song,
and you're going to come under a curse. Guaranteed you're going to pick up critters.
It's just, you submitted yourself to the kingdom of darkness, the wrong flow.
Okay, so now we've got a, let's go with that. We've got a, that is hard. And Paul deals with that
a couple of places in scripture. 1 Corinthians 7 is one of them. What if it's one parent
who wants the child to have a sex change and they're good with the whole thing the state's
doing, and the other one is no? Well, first of all, if this thing becomes law, that
parent's going to lose their voice because you can no longer say no. If you say no, they'll take
the child away from you because you're an abuser. You know, my favorite scripture, it's becoming,
it's becoming my favorite scripture. Romans 1. In their wisdom, they became fools.
I hate to tell you, but our governor is a fool. You know, I'll say it to his face.
You're a fool, man. What you think is so wise,
the day'll come, you'll stand before God and you're going to realize how big a fool you were.
And if you go to the scripture, you'll see it now. But if you, the dangerous part is if
you speak up against it, you're going to lose your kid. Now, when it comes to the spiritual
side, the curse, one's for it, one's against it. Paul does give us some reason for hope there.
And I'm going to go and take it there because that's a very good question and it's probably
going to come up numerous places. So go with me to 1st Corinthians 7, I believe it is.
And let's read about it. I'm going to get out of the amplified. I'll go to New King James.
It's for the fun of it. Let me find it.
We'll start reading about the verse 12. He's talking about putting away in
that realm, divorce, putting away, etc. Verse 12, he's saying don't do it because
he says, now, this is interesting. Now, let's start at verse 10. Now, to the married I command,
yet not I, but the Lord. So there's some things here that Paul has been giving his opinion,
and he usually says it. A wife is not to depart from her husband, but even if she does depart,
let her remain unmarried or be reconciled, her husband and her husband not to divorce,
that were divorced, there's put away. It is not giving the bill of divorce. It's putting away.
A husband is not to put away his wife. But to the rest, I, not the Lord, say. Oh,
so this is Paul talking now. If any brother has a wife who does not believe and she is willing
to live with him, let him not divorce her or put her away. That's what it means there.
And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her,
let her not divorce him. Now notice how Paul says this. And he's not saying God is saying this. He's
saying, from my understanding of how God operates, this is my advice to you. If you have a wife
who is not a believer, but she's willing to live with you. So who's leading here?
The believer. If she's willing to let you serve God and live with you, don't divorce her.
Let him not divorce her. End of verse 12. And then he flips it. And if a woman who has a
husband who's not a believer, if he's willing to live with her, why do you always go to church
on Sundays? Why do you always take the kids? Why are you always reading your Bible?
I get so tired of it. But I love you and I'm willing to live with you.
Don't divorce him. Let her not divorce him. Why? Verse 14. For the unbelieving husband
is sanctified by the wife. And the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband.
Otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. So he's using
deductive reasoning to make this application. Now if the unbeliever departs and they say,
if you're going to stay a Christian, I ain't living with you. Let them depart.
A brother or sister is not under bondage in those cases. You don't have to worry about it.
God, you're going to walk in freedom. God has called us to peace.
So now Paul's saying this. He's saying, from my understanding of God, he's not saying this
as a command from the Lord. He said, I'm saying this. From my understanding of God,
the believer sanctifies the family.
You say, is there any picture of that in Scripture? No. No is a good picture.
Even though he gets thrown under the bus sometimes,
lot. In the New Testament calls him righteous lot. And we tend to throw him under the bus
because he's living in Sodom and Gomorrah with these sinners. And, you know, God called
him righteous. His daughters were saved because of his righteousness.
So there are scriptural examples of if there is a believer in the family and the rest of the
family is willing to live with that person, there is a covering, a protection, a surrounding
with righteousness. Acts 16 31. Again, let's just, I'll just go there and read it.
I quoted it earlier tonight, but I might be good for you to actually see it. If you could
bring that up on the screen might be great. Acts 16 31. Back up, let's back up to verse 28.
We're in prison here now and I believe the earthquake has happened and the prison
doors have opened and so forth. Verse 28. The jailer was about to kill himself at the end of verse 27,
verse 28. But Paul called out in a loud voice saying, do not do yourself no harm for we are all here.
So don't kill yourself. Then he called for a light, ran in and fell down. The jailer called
for a light, ran in and fell down trembling before Paul and Silas because they just came
through a very traumatic thing. And he brought them out and said, Sirs, what must I do to
be saved? They said, what you need to do is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved,
you and your household. So if there is a believer in a household, stay with it as long as you can.
Now, if they're willing to leave, they want to leave, well, let them go. But stay with it
because there's a realm of sanctification or righteousness that will spread to the rest
of the family. So let's take that concept and apply it to the question. You've got one parent who wants
the child to get the sex change and you've got another one who does not. Stay in there and fight
for that child and for the spouse, but stay in there and fight because if you leave,
now we know they're doomed. If you stay in there, we don't know how much God can accomplish,
but he will accomplish a whole lot more, even maybe to the point of, in the end,
they will be saved because of your righteousness. That is in Scripture and it is a family thing.
It is not a town thing or a county thing or whatever, it's a family thing. So I would say,
if you're the parent who's against it, even though you won't have any rights, if this bill passes,
you stay in there because the biggest win out of this whole thing is not going to be
what happens on earth, it's what's going to happen in eternity. So stay in there and fight for
eternity and if the child goes through the sex change, whatever, there's still... God knows what
he created them and he's looking at them that way and this other is just a bunch of confusion
and Bahu'i. Just stay in there and let's get them to heaven and then once we're in heaven,
we'll figure it out. I think it'll be pretty easy, figure it out at that point. So let me
one more question here. Let me get it and then we'll go to you, Sarah.
My parents got involved in tarot cards, Ouija board, before they went to church. Does
that mean I could have a curse from them opening up to that? Well, my first question
would be, is did they break the curse? They may have. That's first question. Second question
is, are they still doing it? Because if they're still doing it, yeah, it could pass down to
you. Now, if they broke it and demanded it to get off of them and their lineage, no, you got no
problem. You should be free. If they didn't break it, well, I would just be on the safe side and
I'd just deal with it. You know, if it's not there, it won't hurt anything to demand it to
not operate. If it is there, deal with it.
If they're still involved in it, then yeah, absolutely, I would deal with it.
Okay, Sarah. So you're talking about parents being able to pray for their kids and stuff,
but like, what about a family that's within a home? But what if you're saved but your parents
aren't or your brother isn't? Do you have any sort of authority to be able to pray over
their lives in the same way that you would your child? To my knowledge, no.
You know, I, and of course I'm not annoying. So the best advice I can give you there is follow
the Holy Spirit on that. If he tells you to pray over your parents and your children,
by all means, don't say, well, Pastor Burns said it won't work. Don't do that.
Okay, you just pray and believe God for whatever he's inspiring you to do. Follow the Spirit first.
I don't know if it'll work or not. What I see in Scripture is immediate family, specifically from
a parent to a spouse or children. Not necessarily in Scripture does it show that it goes from
children to the parents. At least I'm not seeing it. Somebody might find examples of that. If
you do bring them to me, so much the better. But I'm seeing examples of it goes from parents to
children. It worked that way with Noah, worked that way with Lot. It works that way in Acts 16-31.
It works that way in 1 Corinthians 7. It's the parent to the spouse and the children. It goes
that way. I don't know of any evidence where it goes otherwise. But I say all that to say this.
If the Holy Spirit prompts you to pray and believe with all your heart, do not follow
my advice first. I was talking to someone just today and we got on the subject. We're going to
start a prayer team here for people to be able to minister to people in prayer lines and we'll
do some teaching and so forth. And we got on the subject of prayer lines at church and stuff.
They brought up the thing of... and I've heard this before too. I've been taught this.
I didn't believe it, but I've been taught this. Well, what do you do in a prayer line
if you're a guy and the person standing there is a woman? Because guys should only pray for guys and
women should only pray for women. You should never cross that where a guy is praying for a
woman and a woman praying for a guy. Well, I know what they're trying to do. They're trying to
keep something going awry. But I don't believe it. I don't think that's God. I don't think
it has anything to do with God. You say, why not? Well, I'll tell you what I told them. I said,
here's the problem I have with it. If God doesn't want me to pray for someone of the opposite sex,
why does he give me a word of knowledge? Why does he give me a hunger, a desire,
a burden? Why does he put it on my heart? Get over there, talk to them, and if you can
lay hands on them, pray for them. Why would God do that if it's forbidden?
No. Yeah, you got to pay attention and you don't want to give them the wrong idea.
But to just make a rule, well, we're going to just make sure that nothing ever happens in our
church and only women are going to pray for women and men for men. You're going to miss God
because God's going to put something on a woman's heart for some guy standing up here in the prayer
line and he won't get what God has for him because we made a rule that said she can't pray
for him. It's like, no, that's goofiness. So I say all that to say this, follow the spirit.
He is the one in charge under Jesus. One more question. Okay. If someone
is born, if someone's adopted, are they then under the authority of the adopt appearance
or can it curse that was in their bloodline beyond them? Both are true. Okay. The same way
someone who's not adopted, but is born of parents, can a curse be in his bloodline? Absolutely.
We can be Christian parents and there's curse following us. We need to deal with.
Or we can adopt a child. Now, if you adopt a child, that is one of the first things I
recommend doing. Break them away from their biological roots. What I mean by that is their
biological parents spiritually separate them, break them away from those roots. So nothing
spiritually from that comes on of the demonic side. Now, if there's blessings back in there,
well, we welcome that, but we don't want anything to do with any curses tied there.
But you'll also do well to break your child away from your own curses.
Because we carry some too. You know, there's nobody who's also squeaky clean in this earth
that there, the devil has no foothold any place in our life. I mean, there was only one of
those and his name was Jesus. The rest of us aren't quite there. But both are true. You
can bring them in underneath your covering and break them away. But the part you're after,
I think, which I'll address, the thing that gives you the right to break that curse is you
adopted them. If you don't adopt them, you don't have the right. Yep. If it was never broken,
it's going to just continue going. Even though you adopted them, you just invited that into
your life the same way as if you marry somebody and there's curses attached to their bloodline.
You got to deal with it or you just invited into your life. And it's not hard to deal with.
It's just, let's just be honest, we're not taught about it so we don't think about it.
You know, so it's like, we don't do it. And we just by faith need to just say what we're
doing to choose life. So in a situation where a family moves into a different region
and suddenly becomes sick with rashes, sores all over their body. Hypothetical situation.
No one can figure out what is the cause of it. Is there, can you talk about regional demons
and what effect they can have on even believers? We're going to talk about regional demons in
the future. In fact, I believe I have it written down, but let me write it right now.
Regional demons and and princes and powers of the air.
Let me jot it to make sure so I can come back and deal with it more clearly.
Yes, when you move, you're dealing with new stuff. That that's just the way it works.
You move from Cambridge to Princeton, you're going to deal with new stuff. Because Princeton,
and again, it goes back to just a simple, when you drive through a town, do you ever stop and pay
attention to what the spirit is? What are the spirits over that town? What does that town
feel like? Learn to discern, to operate in the discerning of spirits and feel the spirits
of the air? You know, we were in Beloit, Wisconsin, for this AFCM conference, and we're driving
through town. It feels nasty to me. It just feels nasty. So I said to Mary, I said,
what's the spirit of this town? That fast. She already was on the same page with me.
She said, well, I can tell you the biggest one is poverty.
Beloit has a spirit of poverty on it. And she says right behind that is alcoholism.
But we're in Wisconsin, so the drinking state, you know, so that would make sense.
Every region, every city, they all have their own problems. When we were doing the drive,
and I won't mention which town it was, the drive to make the region, make the circle
around the region, we drove through a town that is out in the middle of nowhere,
which makes sense. It's out in the middle of nowhere. There's no good entertainment.
That town felt so incestual. It was just like,
this place is full of incest. They're perp and on their kids. And it just was like yuck.
And you drove right out of it. When you drove out of town, it started feeling pretty
good again in the country. But in that town, it was like yuck. And you could just feel it.
So, yes, there can be regional demons. To talk specifically to that,
the first thing I would look for is something environmental.
Is there something in the soil? Is there something in the air? Is there something in
the water specifically? Is there... are we... because when you move locations, you're
putting yourself in a new position as far as what you're taking in. Now, if you're still,
you know, if you bought your food at Walmart here and you buy your food at Walmart,
their chances are they're getting it from the same source. So, it's probably not the food.
But I would try to look at environmental. Sometimes people, I've had this in the past
and they thought it was demons and it wasn't demons. They moved from a house to a new house.
And the new house was within, I'm going to say, a quarter mile of the big power lines.
You know, that carry power, not locally, regionally. They're running from state to state.
And they had all kinds of health problems start developing. They were shortly after they moved there.
And they said, man, this place got to be full of demons. We need help getting the demons out.
Well, come to find out. They were reacting to the power lines. And the way they found that out
is, I said, go on vacation.
Leave for a couple of weeks. Everything cleared up.
As soon as they left the area, everything cleared up.
And they came back. Here comes the whole problems again.
I said, research electromagnetic energy and what it can do to the human body.
And they did. And it's like, oh man, that's us. Yeah, you moved under some power lines.
And some people can live there and they don't feel the effects and other people
that, and for them, it was driving them over the edge.
So I would start with physical, look at physical things. If that's not there,
then I would take authority and say, Lord, you know, if there's something here,
I need to see, need to break, show me. But usually the spiritual stuff doesn't
manifest in your physical body. First, you feel it. You feel it spiritually.
It's like something's wrong here. Something's off. And if you stay there,
then you might break out in hives. You might start getting dizzy spells,
things like that. That can be witchcraft and dizziness are tied together.
If you're driving through a part of a city and all of a sudden you go through a dizzy thing,
oh man, it's my heart, it's my head, it's whatever, and you drive out the other side
and your dizziness clears right up, you probably just throw through a bunch of
colvins or something. Witchcraft and dizziness are tied.
So there can be physical reactions to spiritual things, but usually you feel it spiritually
first. So if it was me, I'll do it, you know, you got to do it. This person has to do
hypothetically or otherwise. But I would start with physical environment stuff,
and then I would move to spiritual stuff.
And Lord will show whoever the person is what the deal is. Okay, who's next? Did anything else
come in online Kevin? No? Okay. Any other questions? Yep, we got one.
I know you said destroy all objects on the false religion. Yep. And my whole family's
Catholic. What do you think of Rosaries? I have no use for them. Because the Catholics created them,
not Christians. Yeah, they're not scriptural. Jesus hanging on the cross isn't scriptural either.
I would not have a crucifix in my house with Jesus on the cross. Because mom and dad won't
ever quit. It's, yeah, I know, I know. And it's the whole thing with Virgin Mary worshiping
her praying to her that that's all non-God stuff. It carries stuff with it that if it's
not God, well, it's just a neutral thing they do. There is no neutral thing.
Pray for them. Yeah, you're never going to, especially like your parents or your siblings,
they're going to have to be convinced by the spirit, by God. But if you recognize it
and start calling light to them, Lord, they're going to start seeing this, they're going to
start understanding this, and most of all forgive them for their ignorance. Because
grace covers a lot. Yeah, yeah, you can take them out and throw them in the garbage,
they'll buy new stuff. Yeah. But that is an example of things that in my mind,
Jesus said it this way, by your traditions, you have nullified the word of God.
The only thing I have with rosaries, they're not there, they're a necklace of beads, and each bead
represents, you know, different stuff. So you pray through the beads. The only problem I have
with that is, it's all repetition. And Jesus specifically said, don't get into repetition.
People think that by the repetition, they'll be heard from God. He said, no, don't work that way.
Can you go to heaven? Praying the rosary? Absolutely. Can you go to heaven having Jesus
hanging on the cross over your kitchen table? Absolutely. But you probably won't live in
the victory you should hear while you're going to heaven. We're saved by grace, not by how
right we are. Thank God. We're saved by grace. It's a gift. It's not, I got to get
right enough to get in. No, we're in because it's a gift. But my people do perish for a lack of
knowledge. And there's just stuff that if we don't know, we don't know. And as a result,
it brings death in our life or the lack of power. You know, Smith Wigglesworth made a
statement before he died that I thought, that's priceless. Someone asked him about prayer.
They said, if you could live your life all over again, would you pray more?
He said, no, he said, actually, I'd pray less. He said, but I would declare the word of God a lot more.
See, we can spend hours on our knees. Oh, God, help us. Oh, God, please do this. Oh,
God, take care of that. And we can spend five minutes saying in the name of Jesus,
I demand my inheritance rights to take place. Now change. And that will go a whole lot
further than two hours of, oh, God, please do something in this. We need your help. Shunday.
So he said, no, I would pray less. But I would declare who I am and what is mine by inheritance
more. And I thought, wow, that's really good coming from a guy who lived in what he lived in.
Um, that's, that's says a lot. Okay, I just had a question about, um,
you know, when we started out, you're talking about you live under a curse or you live under
a blessing. Yep. And we know that there's some nations of the earth that are totally,
they're just under a curse. Yep. How do people live under a blessing when the country is cursed?
Or then we got talking about state of Minnesota. How do you? It makes it harder. It is hard.
Yep. Yep. It makes it harder. The reason life has been so good in this country is because we've
been living under the blessings of the founding fathers and our forefathers. Well, now we're
trying to change all that. Um, it makes it harder because literally you're, again,
under pressure on Christian families in this state. And the thing of getting your children
trained early and trained right is going to be absolute paramount because if you,
if you live in that blessing, that kind of that bubble while the curse is surrounding you,
you're living in that blessing, everything will be great. But if that bubble is not
established, this thing will press in and just take them from you.
Yeah. Haiti under curse. There were certain parts of Africa that seemingly have, if the
leadership will break it, there was a, there was a prophet who lived in Washington who was assigned
to one of the African countries. I haven't read anything from him for a few years. But God told
him to go talk to, was it Uganda? Might have been Uganda. Talk to the government of Uganda.
He said, they'll never talk to me. He said, just go, I'll get you in. And he got in and they
listened to him. And he told them, the country's under a curse. If you, as the government leaders
will repent, the curse will lift off the nation. And he did. The government leader got saved
and led the country in repentance. And Rwanda, might have been Rwanda, and everything changed.
Um, authoritative blessing and curse is huge. You know, it flows in parents to children. It flows
in grandparents to grandchildren. It, it, anything that's an authority, it flows down. And yeah,
we're, it's, it's, it's put it this way. It's, let's, let's put it in a different light.
If you're living in a country like Venezuela, that is socialistic and just plain under a curse now.
You can be a Christian there and prosper. Because the promises will still work. But boy,
it's going to be really, really, really hard compared to being a Christian in America and
prospering. It's just going to be so easy here compared to there. And depending upon
what's going on there, God may move the person out of the country
to be able to fulfill his promises over them completely. Because it's, it's just a system that
has a choke hold. Yep. Yep. How they struggle, how they fight. You know, who was the first,
who was the missionary that went through Africa and got, never got anybody saved?
Uh, Reinhardt Bunkie credited him for his success. Livingston. Yep. Thank you. Yep. Livingston spent
his whole life in Africa and I don't think he got one person saved if I remember right. Nobody.
But he covered the whole nation as much as he could, the whole continent as much as he could
and prayed and believed God. And Reinhardt made the comment that man, what he did is why
I go over there and millions get saved. Had nothing to do with me, has to do with that man.
Nations can change. But boy, it's tough when they're under a curse. Anybody else?
Actually, this is a comment because when you were talking about Ouija boards and tarot cards,
there has been on the market now for a few years, what they call angel cards.
And they're the same thing. But it's funny how people use them and it's a horoscope. It's also...
I've never seen them. That's interesting. Tarot cards, oracle cards. They're like,
yeah, they're called angel cards. Also, there is a Christian Ouija board. Oh, there is.
Well, isn't that convenient? Yeah, that's an oxy. Yeah, I was just going to say that.
But I mean, you start watching what everything is the counterfeit. It's copying.
Just perverting it. But they believe it. I know. And that's the part that... So sad.
Yeah, I've never heard of that. Yeah, so... Yeah, new age stuff creeping in. Anybody else?
We got two more. Okay. Mine's more like a testimony again. Hidden witchcraft.
We were in Colorado. We hadn't come to this church yet. And my family was sick and they
could not get better. We were months sick. Well, Phil got mad, you know, Phil.
Yeah. And he went into the living room and he was praying and he was pounding the floor.
Why can't we get healed? And God told him we were given this most beautiful,
carved monkey pod elephant. He was gorgeous. And God said that was offered to demons.
Get rid of it. Get it out of your house. And Phil, we had the fireplace going because it
was cold. And he opened the fireplace door and he threw that in there and he says,
there you go, Satan. You're gone. That elephant burnt for hours and hours and hours before it
was finally gone because the demons didn't want it to burn. Yeah. So what happened with the
sickness? Oh, it was almost immediately. We were healed. We've started feeling better. We
the girls started to go be able to go back to school and stuff like that.
The sickness was gone. Totally gone. Isn't that awesome? Yes. Yeah. It's good he got. See,
there's an example of there's times you have to get kind of the kingdom of God moves forward
violently and the violent take it by force. Sometimes you have to do more than just
a passive silent prayer. You got to get violent and say, no, it's mine and I'm getting it.
And, you know, it's like the Old Testament story of the king hitting the floor with the arrows.
And will you win the enemy or beat the enemy or will you not? And he just wasn't violent enough
with it and he just kind of... and the prophet told him, well, it's too bad, but now you're
going to be defeated because you did not put it out there forcefully. Same thing here. Phil
would have just sat in the living room and went, well, too bad, but maybe it's God's will.
Hope he's glorified somehow through this sickness. You probably would have had somebody die,
you know, you know, but he took his stand and got violent with it spiritually. Boom,
found deliverance. That's awesome testimony. Louis. Yeah, I just got a question for you
with, you know, you talked about tarot cards and all that stuff. What's your
feeling on like float tanks? You know what a float tank is? Nope. Explain it to me.
What sensory deprivation where you're going in lay in water and it, it, it's very calming and quiet
and it's like an oxygen tank. Where they, where you go in there and yeah, it's all quiet
and they pump up the oxygen. Well, you can do that, but it's epsom salt. So you float.
Yep. And you just, but it shuts off all your, all your senses because there's, you know,
even now, you know, you feel your clothes, you feel a breeze, you know, just it isolates you.
The ones I've heard about, then they pump up the oxygen level in there and they put it,
they pressurize it slowly goes up, slowly goes down and you're in it for two, three hours.
Hyperbaric chamber. So what is the difference between this and a hyperbaric chamber other than
just they're not upping the pressure? Yeah. And you float it, you float in it.
You do in a hyperbaric chamber too. Well, I don't know if you're flowing, you lay on a pad.
Well, there's no infrared, it's just basically it's different versions apparently. It's like
it's basically it shuts off all your senses. Okay, there's a picture, throw that up on the
screen. They looked up a picture of one. He'll get it back and then he'll put it up in the screen,
hopefully. A good clue is Joel Rogan swears by it. I don't know if that's a good thing or not.
So there's what it looks like. So the cover comes down, you go totally dark,
you're laying in water, or you have lights in some versions, blue light.
But basically it goes dark. Okay. You know, when you get in there, it might be light and then the
lights fade out and it goes completely black. Okay, so you're bringing up something that's
really good. So let's discuss this just a little bit. How can you tell if something
is a spiritual problem, spiritual good, spiritual bad versus just something physical?
How can you tell the difference? Let's talk. If you say something, I'll just repeat it so
the mic doesn't have to jump around. Follow Holy Spirit. Okay, could be one way. What else?
What was this? Watch the fruit of it. It's got to be one or the other. It's got to be
God or the other. Just recognize it going in. What else? Your intentions. There's one thing
that, even if that's a very positive thing, there's one thing that they could do
that would make my, doesn't mean that's bad, but would make my red flag go up as if they would
start having New Age music playing in there. You know, that kind of thing. To me, the thing
that separates it is there has to be something that ties it to evil to make it a spiritual
problem. When cars came out, Christians didn't drive them because they were evil.
Well, how can a car be evil? It's a neutral thing. When televisions came out,
that the television's not evil. It's what's playing on it becomes either godly or evil.
When my dad was young, there was a neighbor who got a radio, one of the big, you know, the early
big thing. And nobody in the community had ever seen radio before. And so they'd go over and
listen to it. And a bunch of them, you know, the only channel that was, the only station
that was close was Chicago. So there was the program that came out of Chicago.
So they'd listen to it this, that, and the other. And certain of the people didn't believe it,
that that would come from Chicago. There's got to be something in the box
causing that. And then others thought it was the devil. That's just the devil.
So we have to be careful not to make everything demonic, just because we don't understand
it. There has to be something that makes it under the demonic flow. Most things are
neutral. You know that this thing right here is neutral. This is not inherently evil.
But boy, it sure can be used for it. Or it can be used for good. But it's not inherently evil.
So we have to, we don't want to become Christians that think everything is demonic.
But at the same token, we don't want to be Christians who ignore the whole thing,
pay no attention to it at all. So the way I divide it out is what in this thing
is causing it to be evil? Like for instance, music is a very, a very neutral thing.
It can be godly music, can be ungodly music. So what makes it evil? Well, it's the message.
It's the atmosphere it's producing. It's how it's being used. It's,
there's a number of things that can make music evil or good.
But music of itself is, is neutral. Most things in this earth are neutral.
It's how they get used. So back to that tub thing, I would be looking for, well,
what makes it evil? Is it evil to lay in water? No. Is it evil to lay in the dark?
Well, I prefer dark when I sleep. You know, I don't like the lights on above me.
Turn the lights off. I want a dark. I want to sleep. So it's not evil to lay in the dark.
It's not evil to lay in water. Is it evil to have it quiet? Boy, I hope not.
Because there's days it's like, oh man, I just need some peace and quiet.
So those things of themself are not evil. So I think we have to step back and take a good
look at things and try to measure what could make this evil or what could make this right.
That's how I do it. Okay, we're going to bring you the mic. We're going to bring you the mic.
Thank you. If it takes the place of worship or if it takes the place of worshiping God or
fellowshiping with God, to me, anything that's going to replace him, then if it's going to aid
and abet you or aid and encourage you or be something that's going to be good for you,
for your health, for something to strengthen. But if it takes the place of God in any way...
So rather than having devotions, you're going to play monopoly?
Yeah, well, could, could be. Now, is monopoly evil? No.
No, it's replacing. You're replacing what you should be doing.
That's right. That's what I'm saying. That can be, yeah.
Why are you doing it and what is the result and what is going to benefit you and is it replacing
and taking away or adding to? And that is a simple obedience, this obedience thing.
That can be anything. You know, it doesn't have to... We're supposed to be doing this.
We choose to do this. Well, this becomes an evil factor in our life because we're
supposed to be doing this, even though this could be very innocent. Yeah.
That's a good thought. Yep. A way to, a way to divide it.
Separate it. Anybody else got anything? Are we done? Oh, we got one more.
I have two questions. One of them referring to what Bonnie said. So
when you burnt the elephant, it didn't release any like critters in your home
because I had an experience where I was helping.
No, that's really good. So let's stop right there before you share your experience.
Why didn't it release any critters? Did you catch it in what she said?
What did Phil do when he threw it in the fire? Okay.
He basically told it to get out. Okay. So I just like helped someone burn some stuff.
And then I, a couple of years ago, know nothing, right? Yep. Or no, very little.
Carried some critters home? Well, no, it was at my home.
So I had a very, yeah, I was at my dad's house. I had a very
merciful demonic like dream, but it was like merciful in the way of he helped me deal with
the atmosphere in this dream. And it was super weird. It was like, I went to this mansion and
there was critters everywhere. And this strong man like opened the door basically.
And I like took me throughout the home and it was super weird.
That's weird. Yep. It was super weird.
And so in your mind, it was tied to what you had dealt with.
Yeah. Well, it was that night. Like, you know, and the things took a long time to burn.
And you're like, okay, this is weird. You're like stoking it and finally burnt.
And you go out there the next day and there's still some things and you just burn it right.
And yeah. And so I had that dream.
Okay. So now I got a question for you. So how did you eventually, because what the Lord
was doing there is he was showing you what opened up in your life.
A strong man just opened up in your life. And here's all these critters.
Here's how to deal with it. What did you do to deal with it? How did you...
So this is what happened. Okay. So I just got out of the nod.
So I had this dream where the person basically like rose up like a zombie
basically and walked over to me and I was said their name and they grabbed me and then I woke up.
And there was this being total like had my leg and I was like...
When you were awake, it had your leg.
So like it grabbed me like in the dream of the person grabbed me and then
but I was grabbed and then I woke up and then I was like, oh my gosh, okay.
I was like, this is something grabbing my leg. I was like, this is real.
Okay. And so in that moment, I mean I had some knowledge and I was like, well,
whatever you are, I don't want you and you need to get out of my home in the name of Jesus.
Yep. There we go.
And I fell peace and I went to sleep.
And then I had this dream where I just like walked up this path.
There's this big mansion knocked on the door and this man answered it and
and basically I walked through his home with all these weird looking critters
and they tried to get on me and then it's like one by one.
I was like, yeah, in the name of Jesus, you have no place here.
You have to go and it was like one by one.
And in the end one bit me and it was a snake and then I ripped it off
and I threw it down. I stepped on it and then I went up.
This was a couple of years ago, so I'm trying to remember.
And then I went up to the strong man and I said, your snake is dead.
Now this is in the dream again?
Yeah.
Okay. After you fell asleep?
Yeah.
Okay.
Sleeping.
Yep.
Anyway, so I stepped on the snake. Your snake is dead.
It has no place here.
And then I woke up.
Excellent.
Do you know what happened there?
Literally, you're in the dream.
You did self-deliverance.
Okay.
And it probably was your spirit doing more than your cognitive.
Yeah.
And that can happen.
It's one of the questions that I was going to answer, but we're on it.
So we'll answer it right now.
Can you do deliverance in a dream?
Absolutely.
Can you get healing in a dream?
Absolutely.
Can you hear God's voice in a dream?
Absolutely.
That and it's more of a spirit to spirit thing that's happening than it is a soul thing.
But I know of numerous people who couldn't get healed of something
and they woke up hearing themselves demanding this body behold and they were healed.
And it was their spirit.
They were dreaming things and they knew they were saying things, but it's a dream.
Now when they woke up, they heard themselves and discovered they were healed.
Our spirit doesn't need our head.
It can work aside from our brain and don't limit it to it has to pass through the conscious mind.
Lord, whatever you want to do in me, you have at it.
Have you ever woken up and you're praying in tongues?
When you wake up, you're just praying in tongues.
Your spirit is just it's doing its thing.
It doesn't need your head.
Now to engage with this world that needs your head.
But yeah, you can do self-deliverance in a dream.
You can have angels appear to you and lead you in a dream.
Case in point, Joseph, Jesus.
I don't know what to call him.
He wasn't his dad, but Mary's husband.
He was led to go to Egypt and to come back from Egypt and the angel appeared to him in a
dream. All kinds of good things can happen in a dream.
So that's why I was curious.
Well, what happened?
Because the bad happened in a dream and you wake up and this demon is hanging on to you.
So you did James 4-7.
I don't want you here.
Get out of here.
That's resisting it.
In Jesus' name, there's the submission to the authority.
In Jesus' name, get out of here.
So you did James 4-7.
It left.
You went back to sleep.
But now you needed to get whatever was released in your little bonfire cleaned up.
It was a big bonfire.
Big bonfire.
Okay, you were there too?
So many things.
Oh, okay.
It was your stuff.
She's got the news.
Well, small world.
She didn't know.
But yeah, you guys didn't know, but you know what?
God protected you through it.
So with that then, so I guess from my understanding, those things were released on the land,
but they were released in the people.
What are you talking about?
I guess from my understanding was I was dealing with the atmosphere of the land.
Like it got burnt and then critters just went.
In the dream?
Yeah.
That's what happened in the dream?
No, like in the spirit realm around the home.
How can I articulate?
Yeah, thank you.
You're talking the physical property?
Yeah, like when you burn something, does it then release demons to just roam
the space of the property or do they have to go into...
Oh, they're looking for people.
For people.
Okay, so when that thing grabbed me, it was like, let's just put all of these things.
We're going into you.
Wow, that was a praise to the Lord.
They have no interest.
Jesus said when they're out of people, they're very uncomfortable.
It's they're, they're wandering through a dry and arid.
Yeah.
See, we're 75% water.
They like our temple.
Yeah.
So they want to get into a moist area, dry, not arid, and so forth.
So that, yeah, when once, so there were items you burned that had demonic forces attached to them.
A lot of it was like, like what Sally was talking about was like angel books and angel cards.
Okay, deceptive stuff.
Yeah.
But had demonic forces attached to it.
See now how they get attached to it is they're commanded to.
We don't always know that.
But when these things are made, many times the people who make the inventors,
the, the reproducers command demonic spirits to go with these things.
Of course, anything that is of the kingdom of darkness is open to that anyway.
But they'll come at, you know, say, because you'll say,
well, why would a demon stick with the book until the books burn?
Now it wants me.
Well, because it probably had no choice.
It was assigned to that book to do a job.
And once the book was gone, its assignment was gone.
There's no book to be stuck to.
So I want back into a human body.
So it grabbed you.
Now, in, as a young Christian, the grabbing was probably God's mercy.
Because he was getting your attention.
Your dealing with something here you need to deal with.
And it's serious.
So he led a poltergeist kind of thing.
That's when the spirit can touch things in the physical.
Demons usually can't operate in the physical realm.
Fallen angels can't, but demons can't.
So for, and maybe this was a fallen angel, I don't know.
But for it to grab you was, in my opinion, God getting your attention.
You got stuff here needs to be dealt with.
And you dealt with it.
And then you went into your dream.
And you know what, I've always said this.
I heard a minister, when I was a young minister,
I heard a minister say this.
And I thought, you know what, you're probably 100% right.
So I believe this and it seems to bear true.
He made this statement.
He said, our spirit knows.
Because our spirit is in the spirit realm.
And it has, if we're saved and baptized in the Holy Spirit,
it has unimpeded communion with God.
He said, it's not our spirit that gets in the way.
It's our soul.
Our soul needs to be renewed.
Our soul needs to understand.
Our soul needs to be taught.
We have to learn the word.
We have to get the principles.
It's the soul.
And his whole point was this.
He said, if you'll get out of the way with your soul,
the spirit, your spirit and the Holy Spirit,
will lead you magnificently.
That is a perfect example.
In the dream, your soul was just kind of watching.
Yeah.
You were dreaming.
You know, with the brain, you were dreaming.
But your spirit was cleaning house.
And it knew exactly how to do it,
even though your soul, you're a young Christian,
you don't know what to do yet.
I don't know what to do.
I just submit to Jesus and tell it to go.
I don't know what to do.
Your spirit knew what to do and it cleaned house.
Going back again to,
our spirit is much more wise than our head.
And that goes along with, in my mind,
follow the Holy Spirit.
Let your spirit follow the spirit.
You'll do far better than if you try to figure everything out.
Yeah.
So, anyway, go on.
I was living at my dad's at the time.
Why would it come to me?
Because I'm not technically the head of the whole.
I have no idea.
Some stuff I just have no idea.
I was just curious if that...
Because that thought...
Were you the one burning?
What?
Were you the one instigating the burning?
Well, you lit it.
Whose idea was it?
Yours?
Well, it wasn't even...
I didn't even know it was happening until I came outside.
Because her...
This was like two years ago.
I get it.
This is like when we first...
That's awesome.
Awesome testimony.
I'm glad you guys did it.
We both started coming to church and then she's like,
Yeah, I heard these are demonic.
Let's burn it.
And my dad's like, Hey, I have land.
Let's burn it.
So, then all of a sudden I come outside and I'm like,
What are we doing?
And then they tell me what's happening.
And I'm like, give me a stick.
Like, okay.
I have no idea why it would have picked you.
None.
Yeah.
But that would make sense though,
because I thought it was the land.
But in the dream it was,
it was I walked up to a house.
So that would make sense.
Yeah.
House represented your temple.
Yeah.
You walked up to your temple in your dream.
And God was playing it out for you to see and understand the land.
Yeah.
That's our land.
The house represents our temple.
It's all types and your spirit just went in there and kicked some butt.
There you go.
And that was good.
And because of it,
you're standing here given a testimony
with your cohort and crime over here.
That's good.
Was that the only question you had or you had another one?
I had another one, but I can ask you after.
Okay.
Anybody else have anything urgent?
Okay, we got one over here.
I'll stay as long as you want to stay.
I'm good with it.
If you need to leave, feel free to leave.
We're half an hour over time, but that's all right.
We're into some good stuff.
So it goes along with...
Can you hold it close to your mouth so they can hear?
So it goes along with what Abby said.
So are you better off to throw stuff in the garbage
and let it go to the garbage pit to have it go on them?
Or do you want it at home?
Follow the spirit.
The scriptural precedences, they brought it and burned it.
In scripture, they're in acts.
The people who were in witchcraft and things like that,
when they got saved, they brought the stuff and they burned it.
So the scriptural precedence is to destroy it with fire.
But follow the spirit, whatever you feel best about.
Because you got millions of people in the United States
and they put in the garbage pit and then it gets burned there.
So it would go on them people then.
Follow the spirit, don't make the decision by fear.
I don't want to deal with this, I'll just throw it in the garbage.
But yeah, just follow the spirit.
Speaking of fear, if you're
knowing you need to go after a spirit in your life or whatever,
how does it work if you're afraid at the same time?
It's going to be a bigger battle.
I would try to deal with the fear first, if possible, and get free of fear.
Now sometimes it's not always possible.
Sometimes you just have to grab the bull by the horns
and just beat on it until it finally submits.
If you're fearful, it's going to take longer because fear is unbelief.
Basically what it is.
So you're not in full faith.
So it's not that it won't happen,
but you're probably going to ride a buck and bronco for a while
before it succumbs to you.
So if it's not a hornet's nest that you've already stirred up,
just leave it alone and go deal with your fear
and get as free from fear as you can,
then come back and it's real easy to take care of it.
But if you're already getting stung and they're after you,
then you just got to deal with what you got and deal with it.
And I would recommend get some help.
Don't do it all yourself.
There's Christians who have no fear.
Find one and say,
Hey, I need some help with some demon stuff.
Can you help me?
There's got to be some sitting here.
They keep coming every week.
So evidently, they're not too afraid.
Yeah, like my testimony with fear was like a deep generational thing
from generations to generations.
And I was the first one to break free.
But I tried fighting it a couple of times
and it just didn't work.
And God actually like rerouted it through shame.
He broke all the shame off me with that, all of my fear left.
So it was like your shame sermons.
I just laid in bed all by myself.
Nothing really going on.
I just bawled my eyes out during them.
And then that night I slept so peacefully, no fear,
and I didn't even have to face it.
Wow, that's really cool.
So what did you specifically do to release the shame?
How do you remember how you did that?
As it goes to yours and just
kind of letting it all go to God.
Just saying like, yep, this is me.
I'm sorry, I need healing from what people did.
Repentance and ask for healing.
That's cool.
Cool testimony.
Yeah, because shame and fear, well, what is shame?
It is fear.
It's not good enough.
People are going to find out.
You know, it's all fear-based.
Shame is all fear-based.
So that's really good, good testimony.
Anybody else?
Looks like we're done.
Have a good night.
Be safe on the way home.