Let's go for questions. Okay, the person with the mic, you got a question?
Okay, my desperate attempt for looking for answers and everything that was going on with
three months in the being saved. I came across Robert Henderson and Francis Miles and they are,
they do this thing called the courts of heaven, which obviously didn't work for me
because I'm still dealing with it stuff. But I was just wondering if you were
familiar with any of that? Explain it to me a little bit how they approached it.
Look, could they could they approach God as judge, friend, juror or friend, judge?
And they just remind him that he's in it's like they step into the courts and they ask
that the blood speaks on their behalf. Oh, yeah. I'm familiar with that.
Okay. Yeah. So no, I don't want to pork. You know, I'm not criticizing.
Yeah, no, no, I'm not. I'm not. If it works for them, have at it. Can you find that system in
Scripture? Well, it talks about the court, the inter courts and stuff like that in Scripture.
So I did kind of try to back it up, but I, I don't know. It didn't work for me.
See, I get kind of picky now. Yeah.
And it's like Jesus showed us how to cast out demons. The apostles showed us how it's done.
And there's no record in Scripture they ever called on the courts of heaven to do anything to
get a demon out. They turned to him and said in the name of Jesus whom I serve or something like
that, I command you to come out. Like when Paul was dealing with the girl that had the divination
spirit. He just used the same system that Jesus taught him to use in my name, cast out demons.
So I get, I'm not saying God didn't, I'm not saying the Holy Spirit didn't teach him that.
Like for instance, I had one person tell me when I was still caught in the names thing,
he said, why do you think that's going? Why do you think you're doing it? The names
thing that way. I said the thing that I find works for me at this point is it's like you have
10, let's just use as an example, you've got 10 demon forces standing in front of you.
They're easier to get rid of if you take them out one at a time.
Versus if you've got them all together and you take them out all at once. Well,
see, you know what I was saying? I didn't have the faith to take them out all at once.
That's all I was saying. I didn't know it at that time, but looking back, it's like,
and I told him that. He said, well, and then when it went to the other thing, the same question
came up. Why do you call out what spirit they are? You know, you spirit of divination and the
name of Jesus, I bind you and link a couple to it and call it out. Well, it was the same answer.
Well, I've tried to get rid of them in just, in the name of Jesus, everybody go.
It didn't work. So it's kind of breaking them down to my power level. My power level wasn't
where Jesus was. It's down here. So I'll kick one at a time out. I got the power to do that.
But what actually happened to change that is I did go to the courts of heaven,
not to cast anything out. I went there and I said, what I'm doing is not scriptural.
I'm talking to God, specifically Jesus. I said, what I'm doing is not scriptural.
This is not how you did it. And I hate this. This is not the right way to do this.
And I'm begging you. I want to do it like you did it.
And I stayed there. I stayed there probably 15, 20 minutes.
I said, God, I'm not leaving this spot. I am done with this other way of doing things.
I am begging you. And nothing happened while I was praying. But the next person I had a deal with,
I just said in Jesus' name, get out. And they left. I bet my eyes are as big a saucer as like,
holy moly, they actually left. I didn't have to argue with them. I didn't have to fight with
them. I didn't have to break them down into little demons before I could get them out.
They left. And something changed in me at that point.
Maybe God just reached out and dinged me on the head or something. Because all of a sudden,
I had the knowledge, inward knowledge, the faith, to know 99% of the time, I don't need
to do it that way anymore. There might be a time God will say, use a name or whatever to kind
of grab them. But 99% of the time, I don't need to do that anymore. I will bind them up.
I'll deal with the strong men. I don't care who they are, what they are. They're leaving.
And it just, it settled in me. And once that settled in me, now it works that way.
But so people will come to me with various ways. And I'll say the same thing I just said,
no, if it works for you, and that's what the Holy Spirit taught you, that's between you
and God. That's not my, it's not for me to meddle in that.
But I won't do it because I don't see it in Scripture.
Well, but Jesus said there's a lot that he had to teach us and he couldn't tell us,
well, I get all that. I understand all that. And I'm not saying it doesn't work.
But you're probably breaking them down to your faith level.
You know, that's, that's what I was doing. And there's no shame in it. It's just,
that's where I was at. And finally I got to the point. I said, you know,
I'm about ready to quit this whole thing. Because it works. But this is like trying
to push water uphill. I hate this. This isn't the way it worked for you, Jesus. I want what you had.
And that, that switched it. Go ahead. Yeah, you were talking about, you know,
brainwashing and like our kids in school in our days and all this transgender and everything
that's going on, aren't most of our books printed like in China? And is there a possibility that they're
doing like some of the rock stars did back in the day where they're preying over this material
and cursing it? So, because I mean, it's just like rampant. I mean, it. Yeah, absolutely,
that's possibility. And the thing that not stop and think about this, you want to say, well,
how many people you think actually have demons? We vote. Take Minnesota. We voted
a Congress full of these people because we think it's right. Just take one point, abortion.
74% of Minnesotans believe abortion is okay for, for everybody.
Every one of those people is under some form of mind control.
Have you ever tried to talk them out of it? Abortion ain't right.
They will argue up one. They can't see it. They cannot see it. Even Christians,
they cannot see it. They're under mind control.
I don't know what else to say. You're too smart to be that dumb. You know, some of the stuff
that's going on now is like, are you serious? Someone from another state can now come to
Minnesota under age and ask for a sex change and their request trumps the rights of their parents.
Who live in a different state? You're way too smart to be that dumb.
To go that direction. In fact, someone called me just, end of last week, they said,
my friend has a 12 year old who is struggling with some physical issues.
So the mother called the hospital and said, we're asking for the hospital records of this.
And so we can have in hand the hospital records.
They live north of Minneapolis. They're not too far from us. They live south,
but not too far from us. And they called one of the hospitals in the cities where the
child had been to, a 12 year old. This was the response. Can't give them to you.
What do you mean you can't give them to me? I'm the parent until that child
gives you permission to see their records. We can't give them to you.
So my question is, is this in this new bill they passed?
That's been around a long time. Yeah, but a child is a minor. They're under age.
So that's part of HIPAA, you think?
Really? Boy, I must be back from the dark ages. It's been around a long time, supposedly.
That's demonic. Yeah, that is crazy, especially when you link it now with,
you know, kids can go to school and tell their counselor they're pregnant and they're 13 years
old and the counselor or get them all set up with the doctor and have the abortion.
And the parent never has to give permission. Does the parent get the bill?
Can you give her a mic? Where are you at, Molly? Let's get this so people online can hear.
That was one of the complaints that parents had when they'd call in and they couldn't get
the minor child's records is, okay, I can pay their bill or I have to pay their bill,
but I can't find out what was done. I'm liable for their
paying of the bill. So people would say I'm not paying for it then.
But they didn't have a leg to stand on because the law was that the kids have
privacy. Privacy. It's a right of privacy. I can't remember.
I heard 12. I think it's 12, but I don't recall. It's young though and it's ridiculous.
That is why we're homeschool.
HIPAA, is that a federal thing or is that a state thing? That's federal, isn't it?
So our federal legislature, so that's nationwide.
Kids can refuse to let their parents see their medical records?
Wow. Hang on to your thought. We got another question front of you.
What's your feeling about people charging money for deliverance?
Okay, this is my feeling. Freely received, freely give.
If you want to make a donation because you're grateful or you feel God's telling you to,
that's fine. But I won't do anything with you until you put 200 bucks in my hand.
It's like now that, no. Freely received, freely give.
Did that answer the question? That's my feeling.
My question, thank you for this. This has really been good because when I saw that lady up there,
I just thought, well, she's got a discerning of spirits because she's going down the list,
you know, to the generation and so forth. But I love the blanket part that you talked about.
If you know somebody that is like, you know they're being demonized,
but they don't know they're necessarily being demonized, how can you,
you know, they're not going to come to a service. They're not going to come.
How do you approach them? Do we just pray? Do you have authority as a parent?
And then the other question was, what's the difference in people's lives where you see
they've had severe trauma and then they also need deliverance? Those things kind of go hand in hand.
We're going to deal with trauma and drugs and deliverance because that's a whole different baby.
That'll be a different night. Going back to the other question of what do you do when you
know somebody's got problems, you intercede for them, you pray for them. I would go to
2 Corinthians 4, pray that the God of this world who's blinding their eyes gets taken off
so they can see and make a decision for themselves. Because the mind control thing
is they're actually not free to make their own choice. And human beings need the right to choose.
So that's the direction I come from, prayer, intercession. You'll never talk them into it
because they don't see it. So you're wasting your time there. There has to be a supernatural
removal of that blinding, even if it's temporary, so they can see the truth.
But very good question. When we were out in California, there was a man doing deliverance
and when he prayed for the people, they would like vomit up the demons. I've never heard of that
before. When we were in California, that would happen. Is that really real?
They're not really vomiting the demons up. It's a physical reaction many times when the demons
leave. Sometimes people feel them leaving through their feet, sometimes through their hands.
Sometimes it's like they're heaving them out. It's a physical reaction to it. And yeah, people
can throw up when it's happening. People can start bleeding from various orifices
when deliverance is happening. All of a sudden their eyes turn red and their blood running
down their face. It's a physical reaction somehow to the intensity of what's going on
because they're being ripped out of that temple and different people react different ways.
But in the charismatic movement, they felt you had to throw up to get rid of demons.
Yeah, you don't need to. Let's see again, go back to the word. Word doesn't say you have
to throw up to get rid of demons. So it's a lack of being grounded in the scripture.
Did somebody send this in? Or did you look it up? Did you read it enough? You can explain it to us?
If not, go ahead and do that while I'm answering a question and then we'll let you explain. He
looked up the hippolaw thing. He might have an answer for us. Okay, who we got? Okay.
Um, when someone, when you're debating someone, they say I don't believe that
is for our time. Is that mind control or is that just them being still burning?
It can be a religious spirit. Religious spirit is the one spirit that my mentor said, don't mess with.
And it's like, I haven't fully obeyed that. There are times I mess with them, but religious spirits
are really hard to deal with, especially the people who know the word because they will twist it
and buy their traditions and their understanding of what the word says
from their perspective. The worst thing about a religious demon is you can't grab them.
You just can't lay a hand on it to where the person will go, oh, okay, I am going to
repent to that and renounce that. They cover their tracks. They are right in everything.
They do not repent. They do not renounce. You're the one who's off. And you can plainly look at
them and go, you got a problem. You know, um, I do not. And like for instance, one guy was dealing
with religious spirit, didn't get anywhere with it, but he was abusing his wife, um, physically,
verbally. And you know, once you get to physically, you've been verbal and everything
else. So verbally and physically he's abusing his wife and she's crying out for help.
Um, he defended his abuse from her of her every way up and down. And the basic thing he came from
is, and he twisted the scripture, two things. Women are supposed to be in submission. If she
was a godly woman, she would do what I tell her to do. And she's supposed to keep her mouth
shut because women are supposed to be silent. I said that you're taking that out of context.
Oh no, you're the one who's wrong. I understand what this means. They're supposed to be silent
and they're supposed to be submissive. And if she doesn't, I have the right to put her in her place.
Now if she changes her ways, then I won't have to hit her anymore.
I couldn't get anywhere with the guy. He just quote scripture to me, twisted of course,
but he quote scripture to me. And this is the way I see it. It's like,
that's why religious spirits are hard to deal with. Because you can't grab them.
They're just so slippery. Get away from you. Got another question?
Just another common is, scripturally demons refer to themselves as they, them, and us, we.
Sometimes. Like when they identify as queen or king or whatever, it kind of goes with that.
Oh, that way? Yeah. Yeah, probably now they would. Yeah. That whole thing of, it made no
sense to me back then, you know, what they're just identifying one section of the other.
And now that we've got this rampant in our society is like, that's demonic. That's what
they were doing 40 years ago in the spirit realm. Anyway, go ahead.
Yeah. So according to the looking up the HIPAA thing, federally, parents are able to see
their child's records and to see any information they can call the provider and ask.
But according to state, it divvies up by state and less contradicts with the state.
State can supersede that. And then it's also left up to the individual provider.
If they deem that by a judgment call that it was, they felt it was unsafe for the child
to release the information to the parents, then they can leave it up to them and they
are protected. So for instance, if a child was in the hospital with physical abuse,
the hospital doesn't have to tell the parents we treated them for physical abuse.
In case it's the parents doing it and they just perpetuate the problem.
Yep. Yeah. And also if the child states that they do not wish
any information to be shared, then the parents are cut off.
And see that's all good in an upright and righteous approach.
But when it gets twisted like it has now, then it's like, it gets evil.
Louie, did you have something?
Yeah, I just want to add to the HIPAA law. You know, when they had that here,
I don't know, a couple of weeks ago, the reason they did that law was it gave like 12
different agencies immediate access to your, like the FBI, Homeland Security.
And that's, that was the purpose of it. It wasn't to protect us.
It was to give all these federal and state agencies immediate access to your record.
Now, which law are you referring to?
The HIPAA law. The HIPAA.
So they readjusted it in the state again or something?
Well, no, maybe, but I mean, that's that's what she was saying.
The gal that was given the talk was that the reason they did the HIPAA law
was to give all these federal and state agencies to your local sheriff,
your police department, Homeland Security, FBI.
So they can just go into your record with no permission.
It's in the HIPAA law. It wasn't to protect us.
It was to make our records more available.
But yet your spouse, who you've been married to for 43 years,
if you don't have a living will.
Exactly.
She can't see if you're in the hospital, what's wrong with it.
They won't give you, give her your records because she's a criminal.
What a mess, though.
See it there again, it goes back to this is,
this has got to come out of mind control stuff because we're just,
we're too smart to be that dumb.
It's just like grandma's dying in the nursing home during COVID.
And the kids can't go see her.
For fear they'll kill her with COVID.
She's dying, dang dong.
It's like, think that one through.
We're trying to go in and see her off.
She's dying.
You know, I had people tell me,
the doctor called and said,
my mother is dying and they won't let me in.
I tried to force my way in and they pushed me back out.
And they won't let me in.
I said, why?
Because they're afraid I'll kill her with COVID.
But they called me and said, she's dying.
We wanted you to know.
Now you're the medical professionals who are educated.
Wow, you're too smart to be that dumb.
Go ahead.
So I have a question back on the names and casting out by names.
That always confuses me whenever you talk about it
because if you're talking about a strong man in a binder
and looking up everything,
it seems like the first time you cast it out, throw it into the pit,
that binder is completely useless because that demon's gone.
Or do these demons trade names?
Or do they come under different names
or take on the name of the kingdom they're in?
Or how does, I mean...
My understanding, they work in categories
and there might be 10,000 of a certain name.
Okay, so if there's Queen Mother, Supreme, Computroller, whatever,
that could actually...
That's a name, but it applies to 10,000 different.
And they all work in the same category, so to speak.
Trying to accomplish the same thing.
Question came in online.
Does Scripture say something about binding the strong man?
Yes, it'll be in the handout that...
Well, you got it.
Read it for next week, it'll save us time.
I gave you the Scriptures there.
Where do you send them?
Jesus with the Legion, send them to the pit.
And how do you fill the person?
In other words, now you've got spiritual space open in the person.
The main thing that I tell people to do
is you got to spend more time in the Word now.
And let the Word fill you, spend more time in prayer,
get worship music going.
You're going to have to somehow fill that space.
And the Word is the thing that does it the best.
Just read chapters and read chapters and just fill yourself.
Because, yeah, you don't want to leave the space empty.
Good questions.
Right here, we got one.
So in dealing with trying to get people to have more self-deliverance
in the mind control area,
is that, does that get in the way of people being able to do that?
Absolutely.
They need a revelation from God that they have a problem.
For me to cast it out of them or for them to deal with it themselves.
They need to, like this religious guy who was abusing his wife.
He had no clue this was scripturally wrong.
He was giving her her due and she deserved it because of the way she
didn't shut up and submit and do what he wanted.
Okay, so once, and I don't know if he ever did.
I have no idea, but once he comes to the realization,
wait a second, something's wrong here.
He can do self-deliverance right on that.
God, I submit myself to you.
I got the feeling I'm deceived in something.
And I resist and renounce that deception.
Whatever it is, I want it gone.
And it'll just start,
the Holy Spirit will just start chipping away at it.
And the next day he'll go, oh my goodness, he saw more.
And it'll just chip away.
Or you can go and do deliverance on him.
Once he realizes it, now he's open to owning it.
See that's the problem with the religious spirit.
They won't own, they have a problem.
They're right.
Religious, the Pharisees and scribes, I mean the perfect example.
They're right. You're wrong.
And everybody looking in who knows anything about God's going,
these people have a problem.
Like for instance, one of the favorite things that Pharisees did in Jesus time
in the morning, Jesus made this statement.
He said, do not do your prayers before men to be seen of them.
Okay. One of the favorite things the Pharisees did
is in the morning, they would go out in front of their house
or out on the street corner.
And they would start their morning prayers,
which they did publicly so everybody could see how spiritual they were.
They would start their prayers with
whatever they, you know, Jehovah or whatever they called Father God.
I am so glad you did not create me a woman.
See now, you try to convince that man he's abusing his wife.
He's not going to own that.
And until you submit yourself to God
and renounce that thing, there's not going to be any deliverance.
But he's convinced that everything that happened
in the world is a woman's fault, apparently.
And he's just so glad he's not guilty of that.
Doesn't even see his own sin.
But yeah, if they will own and see something,
it can start chipping away at it.
And that's how we've all gotten revelations on stuff.
It's rarely just drops on us all at once.
We see a little bit and then it starts chipping away.
We see more and more and more.
Okay, we'll go there and we'll come up here.
You have something, okay.
Quick question.
Is there a danger when you're doing a deliverance ministry
like you're talking about a person in church
who gets delivered that that demon doesn't go out of that person
and into somebody else because they're always looking for a place
or do you always command them to go to the pit?
I always command them.
Can they jump?
If they're going to jump, they have to have a contract to do it.
They have to have legal right.
If they are a spirit that is a familiar spirit
and they've got legal right to a family line,
if there's people of the family there,
they can transfer to those people
because they've got legal right.
They've got a contract there.
Or let's say it's a spirit of...
Spirit of hate.
Just use something.
When they come out,
they can see what's going on.
And if there's people there who already have hate,
they probably already have spirits of hate,
it can go and just move in.
So it's not like they get infested with something brand new.
They're already under the influence and it'll just slide.
It can.
Doesn't always.
It can just slide in with them.
But to an innocent non-bystander, so to speak,
it's, I don't have problems with hate
and I ain't related to you.
No, they can't touch me.
Because they have no contract.
They have no ground.
They are very legalistic and they have to have that ground,
that contract.
They call it a contract.
They have to go to the pit.
Yep.
And then what...
And I'll do it sometimes,
and not always, but I'll do it sometime.
I will usually say,
and nothing of your kind can replace you or come back in,
which hits all the other ones that Kevin was talking about.
Because there's other demons of hate who want to get back in.
Well, nothing of your kind is allowed.
Yeah, it's just little stuff you learn over the years.
Because you say, how do you learn that?
Well, you cast a demon out of somebody
and they claim they're all free.
And a month later, they come back and they say that,
I have the same problem I had before.
And sometimes it's worse.
And it's like, okay, how did it get back in?
What happened?
Is that in the other?
And the Lord will teach you.
The Holy Spirit will teach us.
But I had one person say,
when I said I was going to do this class,
I had one person say,
why are you doing a class and casting out demons?
You just cast them out.
Well, my question is how many have you?
I agree.
You just cast...
That's what Jesus said.
You just cast them out.
And there's an easy way to do that,
and there's a hard way to do that.
And I'm trying to share enough information
that when you do it,
it's easier for you than me.
Because I had the hard way.
Who's got the mic now?
Okay, go ahead.
I have a question regarding,
when you were talking about,
let's just say leadership, federally, locally,
state by state, we know good and well
that some of those people have most assuredly
gone into the reprobate mind category.
And into demon worship.
That's right.
Everything else, yep.
Okay, so they're pretty much gone.
Spiritually, you mean?
Yes.
Go ahead and just say it.
I know I'm trying to think.
What was the second thing?
Okay, we know they got a reprobate mind.
We know they're pretty much gone.
Oh, the religious spirit.
Because there are so many of them now.
I mean...
Yeah, most of them go to church.
And I'm not going to say,
of course I wouldn't say anybody's name.
But we know of an individual.
And there is absolutely no way that you can make an inroad.
I mean, well, we don't try.
We just pray.
Well, actually, now I don't even have that on my...
The Lord has pretty much released me from that.
But there are so many.
And these are ones who have their seasoned.
I know.
How?
I know.
I know.
I know.
Some I think are beyond the...
Because in 1st John 5,
it tells us that we don't pray for everybody.
There comes a time you don't pray for them anymore.
It's so frustrating because they're so arrogant and proud.
And aligned.
And...
Yep.
It's like they've crossed over.
It's grievous.
It's grievous.
It is.
It is.
It's, you know, the whole Star Wars thing of the force and the dark side
is such a picture of what happens in the spirit world.
It's like they cross over to the dark side.
And once they're in it deep enough, it's like you said,
I don't think there's recovery for them.
Sometimes some do, but...
You know, when you said in your sermon,
maybe last week or the week before, I can't remember.
But when you said if that one law goes into effect,
basically we, our state, will be under a curse.
And we will be living under that.
Our state, unfortunately, is one of the chief.
How...
Provided that there's still halfway an honest election,
we need to vote these people out.
But the thing that bothers me is
will we have the votes to do it?
That is the point.
That's what I mean.
It's almost, I'm not trying to sound negative,
but realistic when you're looking at the statistics.
Remember the first message,
or the message I gave the first Sunday of the year
when I was giving statistics in Minnesota?
Yes.
Minnesota has 83% of people.
They use the word identify.
So I'll use the word identify.
Identifies Christians.
So 8 out of 10 identifies Christians.
Only 2 out of 10 do not.
Okay?
But 73% of Minnesotans are in favor of abortion
for whatever reason.
Yeah.
So you have 8 out of 10 who are Christians,
7 out of 10 who say abortion's okay.
You only have 2 out of 10 who say I'm not a Christian.
So let's bring them here.
70% of people say abortion's okay for any reason.
Well, 20% of them are non-Christian.
Okay?
Come underneath that.
That leaves 50% of the people who say
abortion is okay in this state are Christians.
We have a serious problem.
And unless God gets ahold of them,
they'll never vote otherwise.
They're voting out of love.
Whatever you want, I love you enough to give it to you.
Nope.
See, now there again it's another one of those things.
If you got to be under mind control to be that dumb,
that one doesn't make any sense.
I love you enough to let you go to hell if you want.
It's your choice.
Your body, your choice.
See that one?
You can abort up to minutes before the child is born,
but if they're born and they die
and you did something,
you can be up for manslaughter.
Or before they're born, if...
And this loss that they're going to change this,
I'm sure they are because it's so hypocritical.
If someone's seven months pregnant and gets an abortion,
that's fine.
No big deal.
If someone's seven months pregnant
and they get in a car accident
and the baby's killed, that's manslaughter.
In this state.
See now, how can you be that dumb?
It has to be mind control.
That you can't see it.
It's like, how can you not see that's dumb?
Oh no, that's wisdom.
Not God's, that's for sure.
So it's I...
Yeah, we're going to get under a cursing
because we live in the state.
Of course, we don't have to agree to it,
to where it comes into our own life.
But what happens in the state, we're gonna feel that.
You know, like for instance in the book of Judges,
there were good, honest, God fearing people
who wanted to serve God
when the bulk of them went the wrong way.
Those people suffered with the bulk.
And God put into a foreign country
and taken over and then a judge would come
and deliver them.
It's like, it's so sad.
But if we're not willing to be the salt
and the light and be here and stand up,
well then God's got nobody to influence the right way.
And that's where I get angry.
Because if half the churches in this state
would take a stand on anything,
we could change the whole works.
It just makes me angry.
What a bunch of...
Won't say it.
I have everything supposed to be for edifying,
so I'm not gonna say that.
Anybody else got a question or something?
Do you think within the church,
because there is so much woke
that don't really have any opinion or anything,
just have become so discouraged
that even as far as voting, what's the use?
Yeah, absolutely. I think that's starting to take place.
I've heard people tell me, what's the use of voting?
Right.
It's fraud anyway.
That's the beginning of quitting.
Quitting the resistance.
It's not continuing to resist.
It's not continuing to stand.
Yeah, to stand.
Anybody else got anything?
Are we good?
Okay, so that is kind of a taste
of what we're gonna try to do in this last section.
We're gonna try to take different topics
and work them through.
Not all are gonna be as intense
as the strongman was tonight,
but we're gonna try to work through
these different topics
and fill in the holes and the gaps,
so to speak, so we get a complete picture
when we're done.
So thank you for your time.
Be blessed. Have a safe trip home.