Anyway, speaking of demons being able to jump or transfer, that was the first one I want to touch was familiar spirits and what was brought up there.
Now, someone brought this topic to me and I thought, oh, this perfect timing on this, can curses or demons rest on items?
Can they transfer that way through items, through physical things?
Can they come... can we come under the power of a demon or a curse by owning these items or using these items?
So here was the topic the person brought up to me. They said, have you heard of this?
Liquid death. They have three different versions of it. This one is sparkling water. It says murder your thirst.
They have one that is... they got a white can that is something and a green can. I thought, well, I'm not going to stock up on it.
I'm just... I just want an example. And they asked me about this and they sent me this video. And the... so play this video.
We're not going to play the whole thing. We're going to play the first part of it. And then we're going to talk about this.
They said, what do you think about this?
So many demons are trapping them inside cans of water.
Inside this very warehouse sits the entire inventory of liquid death mountain water.
Each can is about to be infused with real demons by a real witch.
A lot of what I practice can be considered traditional witchcraft.
What you're about to witness is very real, very dangerous, and in my opinion, a terrible idea.
We enter into the dark half of the year.
Now is the time of the dead. I ask you spirits, those who are listening, I invite you here.
I offer this water as a vessel for you to come into this world.
When the cans are opened, you are released. I welcome you.
Now is the time of the dead.
Demon-infused liquid death. If you drink it, will you become possessed?
What's going on guys? So this is disturbing, but I mean, it's really not surprising, right?
There is a war that is going on in the spirit and, hey, you got to be paying attention, right?
And unfortunately, there's a lot of Christians that don't take this kind of stuff serious, right?
They're just kind of floating like they're in lava land and they don't think it's a big deal.
And recently, when this clip started circulating, some people had sent me Ruslan's old video where he was talking about this.
And the energy that he was talking about, I said, man, we're good there.
So the entire inventory of this water, and I'm sure it goes on perpetually, is cursed.
So literally, she spoke demons into this can and pronounced by faith that when this gets opened, they get released.
And if you go on and watch it, they get released and have permission to go on the person who is drinking it, riding with the water.
Well, when I saw the can, I thought, who would buy that anyway?
I mean, think. Hello?
But then when I saw the video, I thought, oh, and I know why it's named what it's named.
This is not about mountain water.
This is about transferring demons.
It's being done the same way they used to pray over albums.
So that every album that was printed off the master track, demons would go with it.
I just watched a video today of Jay-Z, who is a Satan worshiper who works with Rihanna, I believe, or worked with her, made her famous,
which Beyonce and Rihanna both are into demonic Satan stuff.
So if you're listening to their music, you're opening yourself up to demons.
Okay, let's just be blunt about it.
Anyway, they played one of his albums, you know, they do the back masking thing.
And it's hard to do with CDs or, you know, especially digital stuff. You can't do it.
But they've known for years and years and years, your subconscious picks up everything and it unravels everything.
So they put it into the song. So as you're hearing the song, it sounds like background sounds,
but it's literally something recorded backwards.
And on a vinyl record, I did it. I've done it many times. You take the record and you just spin it backwards.
And most of it goes, well, what are you doing? Because you're listening to the music backwards until you hit the spot.
And then it'll have a message for you that is just talking to you like it's talking to, like I'm talking to you.
It's called backward masking. So I watched a video today on one of Jay-Z songs where they somehow got it to go backward.
And sure enough, here it came. Murder Jesus 666. Murder Jesus 666. Just that plane.
Well, when it's playing the other way, our conscious mind doesn't catch it, but our subconscious does.
And it's a way of infiltrating into our mind.
So can that even happen that you can pick up a demon from participating with something that's cursed?
Because it is cursed. So we're going to talk about this.
Can it happen or can't it? Well, everything goes back to Scripture.
So we got to find this in the Scripture.
So let's go to the guiding principle.
Talked about it some already. Got it here again.
God created the spirit world, page six. He has set the laws as to how it operates.
These laws apply to both the good and the evil spirit realm.
That's why Satan can only pervert what's already there. He cannot create something new.
Some things of how the kingdom of darkness operates can be seen by looking at how God formed the kingdom of light to operate.
It's just the flip side of the coin. One will be for righteousness and good, and the other will be perverted for unrighteousness and evil.
For instance, I gave you that first example there already.
If God created it, Satan will find a way to pervert it and imitate it.
The first one I gave you there was speaking in tongues.
Is there false tongues? Boy, you bet you there is. Absolutely.
If there's worship, worship for God, then there's false worship.
Worship of Satan, worship of self, etc.
If there's a hierarchy in the spirit realm on God's kingdom, then there's a hierarchy in the spirit realm on Satan's kingdom because it's the only way it can work.
It's the way God set it up to work.
So no matter what God does, the mirror image which is evil, try to imitate it and pervert it, Satan will do the same.
So the bottom of page 6, letter E, if scripture shows that items can be blessed, then items can be cursed.
A good or evil flow can attach to them and go through them.
Is there evidence, page 7, that the spirit realm can rest on an item whether resting on a good or resting on it bad?
Yes, there is.
And I listed a number of examples there for you.
For instance, number 2, the Old Testament tools that were used in the tabernacle were blessed, consecrated, sprinkled with blood and set apart to be holy.
So there was something very special that came to rest on them. The priest garments were the same, the Old Testament tabernacle, the altar, all this was the same.
Speaking of items, you got Elisha's bones. They carried an anointing to where the dead man was thrown in on his bones and the dead man came back to life.
There was an anointing there.
Acts 19, anointing handkerchiefs taken from Peter's body and taking him to sick people and the sick people got well.
Literally, they rubbed him on Peter's body, took him, and the anointing was on the handkerchief and got the person whole.
Physical land can be blessed, it can be cursed. God cursed it in Genesis 3.17.
Deuteronomy 28, food, crops, and animals can be cursed. These are all things.
Everything we lay our hands to, Deuteronomy 28 is one of the places, numerous places, talks about everything we lay our hands to, prosperous or is blessed.
The thing becomes prosperous, the thing is blessed.
So yes, spirit realm stuff can attach to and rest on items. There is just a number of examples, not all of them in scripture, but there's a few.
So if God shows that items can be blessed, then items can be cursed.
Items can have a good or an evil flowing through them.
So there I list a number of things that are evil that have demonic stuff attached to them.
And I didn't even list liquid death there.
So can, here's the big question, it's the bottom of page 7 there. So can someone get affected or get a demon from drinking liquid death?
That's the question.
Okay, so what if they did it ignorantly? They didn't know anything about this being cursed.
Remember that one deliverance session I was having that the demon just was just stubborn as a mule and wasn't going to leave and this, that and the other.
And I finally called the person back, you know, the demon was talking this and I got rid of them and I called the person back.
I said, do you have anything going through your mind when this thing is just mocking me and making fun of me?
And they said, all I've got is a picture of a record I own. Well, I believe it was a Black Sabbath album.
I said, where is it? Can you get it? Yeah, I got it in my bedroom.
So they went and got it and brought it out.
And I said, you realize that every album that comes from Black Sabbath is cursed, carries demons with it and they try to get inside you.
When you give yourself over to the music, they give themselves into you. It's kind of like an exchange.
I had no idea. Remember the story tried to burn it wouldn't burn this and the other covered with lighter fluid wouldn't burn that whole story.
So now this person had a demon that was talking to me who refused to leave because of the person's attachment to an album that they didn't know had a curse on it.
They were innocent to that. They didn't know that.
It don't make any difference. You say, well, how'd they get it? Well, we'll talk about that in a bit, but let's go on.
So if they know about it, can they get a demon from it? Absolutely.
You know, I mean, if now that I've explained this to you, you go out and buy this and start popping them.
Don't come to me for deliverance because you're just plain stupid.
I don't want to get involved in this.
But if we don't know about some things being cursed, can they still affect us?
Well, what does the scripture show us? And what we're about to see is this is why we have to be led by the spirit, God's spirit, not another spirit.
So people who don't know there's a curse on something, they're innocent to it. Can it still affect them?
Well, the original curse, which hasn't lifted off of mankind. We're still living with this.
In Christ through faith, we have the ability to overcome it, but it's still active around us.
Snakes don't realize they're under a curse, but do they still crawl on their belly?
Do women still have pain and childbirth?
And do they curse? You know, every woman in the hospital is cursing God for the curse because they're having pain and childbirth.
98% of them don't even know where it came from, the pain and childbirth.
But they're still experiencing pain and childbirth, aren't they?
Men treat women like property as the ground still cursed with thorns and thistles.
Does the ground still produce thorns and thistles?
Does a man still sweat when he works hard? Do human beings still die?
Why didn't realize sweating when you work hard was part of the curse?
I didn't know that. Yeah, but you still sweat, don't you?
You don't have to know.
You just have to come into agreement with it.
That's where we have to be led by the Spirit.
Now, when I went and looked at this setting on the shelf,
happened with me, probably happened with a bunch of you.
My spirit went.
So if I wouldn't have known the backstory, the only reason I bought this is because I wanted to show you the backstory
and how spirits can transfer through physical items, especially this one because it's cursed.
It's designed to fill you with demons. That's what its purpose is.
Now, had I not known the backstory,
just looking at it and feeling what I felt, I would have never bought this.
So I never have to worry about getting a demon from this whether I know the backstory or not
because I'm following the spirit.
And I just won't go there. So if I don't go there, I'll never pop the lid and I'll never drink it.
Therefore, I'm safe.
But if I'm not following the Holy Spirit, what's the New Testament's full of it?
Walk by the spirit. Those who are led by the spirit are the sons of God.
Those who follow the spirit do not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
And it's just the spirit, the spirit, the spirit. You've got to follow the spirit.
Those who are not following the spirit are going to go, well, look at that. Isn't that funny?
That's sparkling water straight from the Alps.
That's probably good stuff.
Oh, isn't this funny down here? It says, murder your thirst.
So that's what that's about. Liquid death. We're going to kill my thirst.
Not paying any attention to their spirit at all. Just going with the head.
Can they get demons from it? Absolutely.
Now if any of you drank that, it's time to do a little self-deliverance and repentance.
And don't go back and do it again.
I mean, we've all had things where things have gotten on us.
That's what James 4-7 is for.
Submit yourself to God that involves repentance and resist it.
Command whatever was attached to that to get out of you and it will flee.
But I thought, you know, that is a really good object lesson for demons transferring with items.
Now if you flip back to page 7, some of the things listed there, I mean to us, they'd probably be obvious.
Weegee boards, tarred cards, items that are used in Satan worship or witchcraft.
Crystals or jewelry that has been quote-unquote blessed to have powers.
Blessed by who? Who did this blessing? That's what I want to know.
Because crystals and jewelry in and of themselves do not have power.
Just saying. Signs, symbols, hand gestures.
Anybody know what that means?
Oh man, you're not watching enough music today.
A lot of them are doing this.
Illuminati.
And when they do it like this, the all-seeing eye.
Which again, the all-seeing eye from that, like the all-seeing eye on your dollar bill does not necessarily refer back to God.
This Illuminati thing's been around longer than this country's been around.
So there's many hand gestures that can be made that are demonic signs.
And you just don't want to go around making those hand gestures once you know.
I mean, you just don't want to do it.
Some heirlooms.
Have you, let me, let me, here's, here's a couple little stories.
Have you ever gone to a garage sale, a state sale? Let's go with a state sale.
And pick some stuff up that is definitely antique-ish.
And when you pick it up, it's just like, yuck, this feels horrible.
I ain't interested.
There's probably demons attached to it.
Have you ever gone to any of these old houses from, like, the turn of the century in the 1900s?
I'll just give you one off the...
Mary and I like to go to these for...
I want to see what happened in the physical realm back then, because these people are all rich.
So what did they have?
But I also like to feel the house.
What does the house feel like?
So we went to one in Upper Michigan, Kowani Peninsula.
It's in the copper across the river.
It's in the copper country.
It was one of the guys who owned some of the big copper mines.
I could look up the town for you, but if you get up there, just look for historical places
where people who owned copper mines lived.
So big mansion.
So we went through that.
He built it in the late 1800s.
I think they started occupying shortly after 1900.
They had running water. They had electricity with push button.
It was like, wow, this was very advanced for its time.
And there were certain rooms you'd walk into.
You know, it's like, man, there's some creepy crawlers in this room.
But there was a hallway that there was a set of stairs, the back stairs,
that went up to where the servants' quarters were.
They didn't get to go up the, you know, the big wide stairs with the big rails.
And that's where the owners went up.
The servants had to go up their bedroom, had to go up the back way.
And it was off the kitchen. It was right the hallway.
And it was, it was all right.
But it was definitely not fancy. It was just a hallway.
And there was a hallway that you'd go into and you come around the corner.
You could either go into the kitchen or you could turn and go up the steps to the servants' quarters.
That hallway, something really bad happened in.
I don't know what happened there.
But it will make your skin grow.
So if you ever want to go there and feel it, just have at it.
And it's like, so I walked through then it's like, oh, yuck.
It's like death in that hallway.
I mean, the rest of the house don't feel all that great, but that was like a hotspot.
So I didn't say anything.
And I said, hey, Mary, let's go around this way and see the house this way.
And we, we walk in that hallway and she stops and goes,
this is horrid.
I said, what's wrong with it?
No, I'm talking the feeling.
Something really is, there's a demon standing right here or something.
Haunted houses are absolutely real.
You know, that kind of thing.
So here's an example of, I don't know what happened in that hallway,
but there are spirits who've taken up residence there.
Okay, so now dealing with heirlooms.
If something was purchased, we don't know where some of this stuff comes from that was bought 100 years ago.
Something was purchased out of rebellion.
If something was purchased from, you know, there were people in witchcraft, Satanism back there too.
It may be a simple looking thing, but you don't measure that with your eyes.
You measure that with your spirit.
Because some heirlooms carry yuck stuff.
And you'll feel it.
When you touch them, when you handle them, you'll feel it.
Just, my advice, just leave alone.
So let's finish this up and then we'll go into questions.
So transference of spirits.
Now this kind of sums it up.
Is there evidence in scripture that a spirit can transfer or its anointing can transfer between people?
So this is a little bit redundant, but it sums it up.
It goes hand in hand with the previous two topics that we just talked about.
To find the answer to the question, is there evidence in scripture?
Again, I give that main principle.
So the short answer at the bottom is yes, spirits can transfer.
There's two types of transfers we see in scripture.
Person to person transfer of spirits, or anointing, and spirit realm to person transfers.
Not necessarily person to person, but spirit realm to person.
So flip to page 10.
Here is godly examples of spirit realm to people or people to people examples.
As the top is godly examples, good examples.
Here's how God set it up to operate.
And in the bottom you've got the twisted, perverted side of transfer of spirits.
Exodus 28-3.
The spirit of wisdom came on men to make everything for the Old Testament tabernacle
and the articles and the Ark of the Covenant.
These guys didn't know how to do it, but the spirit of wisdom transferred to them.
That's a spirit realm to a person transfer.
Numbers 11-17.
The spirit that was on Moses to lead and judge the people,
God said, I will take of your spirit and I'll put it on 70 more to help you
so you don't have to do everything, but the same spirit works on all of them.
Well, we know that spirit's from God.
It was a facet of the Holy Spirit and how the Holy Spirit works.
But there we have a person to person transfer.
The other one I mentioned was a god to a person transfer.
So you've got all kinds of examples there.
And you've got the ungodly examples.
In fact, the second one there, Numbers 5.
This is interesting. Numbers 5, verse 14 and 30.
If the wife is unfaithful,
and it literally says,
and the spirit of jealousy comes upon the husband.
It's like, well, there's a transfer of spirits.
He's not dealing well with this,
and he picked up a demon because of it.
There's numerous ones here.
There's a couple of New Testament ones there receiving a spirit.
Paul says it this way,
and a lot of times we don't pay attention to the first part of what he says.
We have not received a spirit of fear,
but of power, love, and a sound mind.
So he's describing the spirit we have received.
But you can receive a spirit of fear.
It's just we have not.
See, he said that right in that verse.
We didn't receive a spirit of fear.
Why would he say that?
Because you can.
You can get a spirit of fear.
It can come to you.
Like, for instance, when I walked into my house
and I felt what the residue of that familiar spirit
that was left by my mother,
that would have been a person-to-person transfer.
Her to me.
Spirit of fear.
It can happen.
This one is kind of interesting.
1 Corinthians 2, 12, and 13.
Link that with James 3, 14 through 16.
Especially if you read James in the Amplified,
but you don't even have to.
You can just read it in New King James or whatever.
The wisdom of this world
is a demonic spirit that can be received.
So now, you really have to stop and think about that.
Because in James, he's trying to...
he's at the end of chapter 3,
he's trying to contrast.
First, he talks about the spirit of God.
No, I think he talks about this spirit first.
Then he talks about the spirit of God
and what that's like.
And he's trying to contrast
what it's like to be led by the spirit
or not be led by the spirit.
In Romans 8,
it talks about the subject again
about being led by the spirit
or not being led by the spirit.
And it calls it
sense and reasoning
without the Holy Spirit.
I don't see a big issue with this.
I mean, it's just water.
It's got a stupid name, but whatever.
That is sense and reasoning
without the Holy Spirit.
Now, if you tie that to James 3,
James 3 says,
sense and reasoning without the Holy Spirit
or wisdom that is not given by the Holy Spirit
is given from the other side.
And he flat out says it's demonical.
It's devilish.
So when we make decisions
without hearing God,
we could be...
I'm not going to make a flat out
while you definitely are,
but we definitely could be making decisions
under the wisdom of the demonic.
That's how those two verses put it together,
especially when you tie it with the one in Romans 8,
and I didn't write that down there,
but I can give it to you if you want.
Jump over to page 11.
This is a person to people
and the people are kings who control nations,
spirits from the devil,
the antichrist and the false prophet will go out
and influence and come upon,
use mind control on the kings of the earth
and bring them to Armageddon for war.
So that brings up other questions like
can evil spirits transfer at will?
In other words, whenever they want to,
can they transfer?
What gives them the right to transfer?
And what can cause a spirit to transfer to us?
Okay, so now this last part's important.
So we'll go through it.
Everything in the demonic world
works on the foundation of two things.
And these are agreement and sin,
and they're set up under the principles
of how God operates.
If two or three agree as touching anything,
it shall be done.
Okay?
God went to the tower of Babel,
saw what they were doing,
saw that they were all, what God called,
they were all of one mind.
They were in agreement.
He said, as long as they're of one mind,
there is nothing that will be impossible to them.
They were in full out rebellion against God.
And in agreement to do so,
because the tower of Babel originally
was supposed to be built
so they could pull God off his throne.
It's still Lucifer rebelling.
And now he's got men doing it with him or for him.
So you've got agreement,
perverted, twisted agreement,
but you've got agreement.
And then you've got sin.
Well, what is sin a perversion of?
Righteousness.
Righteousness is doing it God's way.
Sin is doing it the devil's way.
That's all it is.
It's just doing one's doing for God the right thing
and the other is doing for the devil the wrong thing.
Everything in the demonic world works on those two.
Everything.
These are what gives them the right to do anything in us.
It's the perversion of and an imitation of the godly spiritual laws.
Number two there, Satan's kingdom will establish
what are called contracts.
So we haven't explained that yet,
so we'll explain it here.
It's how they refer to it.
These are spiritually legal binding agreements
that give the demons the right to do something.
The agreement is made between a person
and the evil side of the spirit world
via open agreement with something that's usually sin.
It can be open agreement,
but if you're going to openly agree with that side of the world,
the dark side, it's usually about something that's sin.
It's not righteousness, it's sin.
Number three, and then we'll talk about it a little bit.
The person may not know they are establishing a contract,
but when they enter into willful sin,
the demons see that as their legal right
to work in that area with the person.
That becomes the contract.
And they will, if one gets away on you
and starts talking through the person
and claiming why they can be there,
they will use that word.
I have the legal right, I have contract.
That's a familiar spirit talking.
Their contract goes back
and they've established it and blah, blah, blah.
So let's answer the questions. Talk about this.
Can evil spirits transfer at will?
No.
They must have legal right,
which is always based in some form of agreement
or sin.
If you are participating in the same kind of sin
as another person, demons can transfer.
And it lists a few there.
It can be any kind of sin.
Every sin has demons assigned to it
to help promote it.
Those demons can transfer if they are given legal right.
So, let's use this for an example again.
I disagree with you, pastor.
We're under grace.
We should be able to drink anything we want to drink.
Well, that's your choice.
It's America.
You got it right to your opinion.
Okay.
I'm not necessarily wanting to sin.
I just don't agree with the video
and it's that big a deal.
So what are you agreeing to?
If you're not agreeing with that,
you're not agreeing with this,
could be bad for you.
What are you agreeing to?
Well, I'm agreeing...
I think I can drink this anytime I want
and no big issue.
Well, go ahead and do it.
We'll see how that turns out for you.
Because what you did is you just through agreement
established a contract
and you just got demons.
Now, if you're a Christian
who hears God at all,
he's going to try to convince you not to do that.
Okay?
And when he tries to convince you not to do it
and you do it anyway,
now you've established another contract
because now you've entered into willful sin.
Not about this, about
I don't want to do what you're asking me to do.
I want to do it my way.
And you're sinning against him.
So now you got two bad things going for you.
So no, they must have legal right
which is always based in agreement or sin.
For instance, if you are participating
in the same kind of sin as another person
which means you're agreeing with them,
demons can transfer
let's say your best friend is a liar.
I mean, they just struggle with lying.
I don't want to call them a liar,
but they just really struggle with lying.
And you guys were doing something you shouldn't have done
and their mom has an idea
that you were in stuff you shouldn't have been.
So they have to go home
and talk to their mom about where they were
and they don't want to say where they really were.
So they're going to lie to mom
because they have a problem with lying.
And they turn to you and say
can you back me up on this?
Agree with me on this.
So they go home, they do the lie.
I never lied.
I just said I agree with them.
I didn't lie though.
Then make no difference.
You agreed to the spirit that was operating through them.
When you agree with that,
you've now opened a door, it can transfer to you.
If two or three agree is touching anything,
well, both of you just touched a lying spirit
and you both agreed on it.
Yeah, we'll do this.
That's how they transfer.
Stealing, you know,
anything, unscriptural sex, offenses, gossip.
People are gossiping
and they're just meddling in areas
they shouldn't be meddling and slandering people
and talking them down and this, that and the other.
Well, don't you think that's what they're like?
You're kind of put on the spot.
Well, I guess, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
They were actively in sin in their gossip and slander.
If there's a spirit attached to that,
which there probably is,
because there's a spirit attached to every form of sin
trying to help promote the sin.
So there's probably a spirit attached to that.
When you came into agreement with them and that spirit,
you opened yourself up to that spirit.
You're in agreement with it.
See my points?
What gives them the right to transfer?
It's the agreement in the sin.
Coming into a letter B there,
coming into spiritual agreement with anyone
can open you up to whatever spirits they are carrying.
Now, please catch this next part.
Agreeing in prayer with someone who's got demons.
Agreeing for an answer to prayer
with someone who's got demons.
Agreeing on a spiritual belief doctrine or conclusion
that is not a godly, I should have added,
that is not a godly spiritual doctrine or conclusion.
It's an ungodly one,
but you're agreeing on it can open you up.
See, there's something that happens,
and people don't understand this,
but there's something that happens
if I say, let's agree.
And we grab hands and agree.
There's a spiritual openness that takes place here.
The two are agreeing to touch something,
so we become one in that.
In that one agreement, stuff moves.
Godly stuff and ungodly stuff
moves because we've opened ourselves up
to the other person in agreement with them.
Let's hit a few more and I'll give you some stories.
Especially if there is a spiritual transfer
like the anointing with the spiritual movement
or impartation, whatever you're doing,
whatever you're in agreement on,
all kinds of spirits can transfer.
I just gave the top two there.
Third one, laying on of hands in prayer in agreement.
Or number four, allowing someone to pray over you
for something.
When you go, yeah, pray over me.
You have become an open sponge to receive
from what that person is going to impart to you.
Now what they impart to you could be God.
But there could be something that they have in them
that rides in on the water of the impartation.
I have seen that over and over and over.
Especially the first person that comes to my mind,
somebody who comes to the church here a couple years ago,
they came to me, they said,
I feel yuck inside.
I am bound up.
I've lost my freedom.
I have whatever.
I said, when did it start?
Well, I went to a conference.
I said, what kind of conference was it?
Well, it was a deliverance conference.
I said, did anybody lay hands on you and pray for you?
Well, yeah, the person in charge of the conference.
I said, you picked up demons.
You didn't lose any.
You picked up theirs.
And they probably were planting them in seed.
It may not have been intentional,
but what's in us transfers.
That when the spiritual gate opens,
it's not like there's a sift there
sifting out the good from evil.
It just opens.
The only way that sift comes into place is if we demand it to.
Now, things are possible if we'll believe.
So now, like for instance,
when we pray for each other here,
one of the things we have is a standing rule
and I will pray it almost every time.
And there will, and don't say it out loud
because so many young Christians,
they get confused or fearful.
Now, no, we got a different problem.
But I'll say it quietly.
And nothing will transfer here,
except it be of God's spirit.
His kingdom only.
I forbid anything else.
See, now there's a filter
that if someone who's got problems
lays hands on someone else and prays for him,
the only thing that can get through is God.
If you don't set up that filter,
when that spiritual door opens,
anything can get through.
I was talking to someone,
oh, this is years ago already.
They had attended,
I can't say the name because
won't do any good,
but a very well-known, nationally known,
full gospel, tongue-talking minister
had attended one of their conferences.
And in the conference,
they had everybody grab hands
and pray for each other,
one to the right and one to the left.
Pray for each other.
And they so loaded up
with demons of suicide
that they had never had problems with suicide
before the conference
and after the conference,
they said, I don't trust myself to be alone.
Everything inside of me
is pushing me to kill myself.
I said, where were you?
When did it start?
Just track it back.
When did it start?
Well, I went to a conference with so-and-so,
and they mentioned the name,
and I said, well, everybody knows so-and-so.
What happened?
Well, I don't know.
I sat there, they taught.
I said, did anybody pray for you?
I never went to the front.
I said, did anybody pray for you?
Well, there was that when we grabbed hands that time.
I said, bingo, that's it.
So what do we do?
We just went back to that point.
As the Holy Spirit sees, knows, and numbers,
what happened at that conference
when everybody grabbed hands?
We're talking to you now.
All of you.
And I led the person in a James 4-7 prayer.
And now you got to go.
You can't stay here.
Poof, they were gone.
The person never had a problem again.
It just cleared up like the fog lifted.
Never had a problem again.
They picked them up at a Christian conference
because they got into spiritual agreement
with people they had no idea what's in these people.
And it's really dangerous.
Another example.
Hagen, who's above Hagen?
In our lineup, we got me, Kaspen,
Brother Hagen, Smith Wigglesworth.
Got to get the latter there.
His daughter was used...
You don't hear much about her,
but Wigglesworth's daughter was used greatly
in the things of God.
Hugely.
And at one of AFCM's family reunions,
I think it was one of them they met in Minneapolis,
Billy Brim was talking about her.
And she asked her, she had a chance to talk to her,
and she asked her, she said,
give me some of the keys that you walk by,
you live by, to be able to walk in such power.
And the first one she said is,
I don't let anybody lay hands on me
and pray for me unless I know them.
Remember that?
Yep. That's what she said.
Why?
Because we pick up critters.
Because when we're spiritually open
to receive the water runs
and all kinds of stuff flows through that water.
And this lady knew it, which evidently her dad knew it.
I'll bet you Wigglesworth didn't let any
poedongue holler pray over him either.
But yet we will do it.
Who is the first to pray to me?
I don't know, never met him before,
but they seem so nice.
He could have been a witch!
What's wrong with you?
You just can't be that naive.
So let's go on.
Number three in the bottom page 12,
what causes spirits to transfer
when we come into agreement
and we participate in the same kind of sin.
Page 13.
Number one conclusion.
We need to pay attention to the things
we get involved with in numerous ways.
I gave you numerous examples here
and I'll give you some more,
I'm sure in questions and answer time.
You just don't do something
because it's the thing to do.
You do it because the spirit led you to do it.
Or he told you not to do it.
And if you're not being led by the spirit,
don't do it because what you're doing
could be being led by demons.
James chapter 3, 1 Corinthians 2.
Well, it just seemed like it made sense to me.
Yeah, that's the first step into problems.
Once it makes sense to the human mind,
that's a warning sign.
Number two, we need to pay close attention
to whom we come into spiritual agreement with.
That's really big in the church.
We just, we have to pay attention.
There's people here who are not that squeaky clean.
Don't submit yourself to them to pray for you.
There's people at conferences.
I'll give you another story.
We had a prayer line,
and I think I shared this one already,
but it comes to me, so I'll share it again.
We had a prayer line,
we had lots of prayer lines in Colorado.
I went through a prayer line in Colorado
and someone who had come to the church for years,
a lady was in the prayer line,
she came forward.
I don't remember what we were even praying for.
She came forward to be prayed for,
and I prayed for her,
late hands on her,
prayed for this,
and the other went down the prayer line.
The next morning I woke up
with such intense desires to commit adultery.
It was just like,
man, I want to do this.
I looked at Mary and I said,
what the world?
This is not me.
So I started praying about it.
It took me most of the day.
Holy Spirit, what in the world is this?
This is not what...
And it was just such a driving,
wouldn't leave you alone.
You got to find a way to do this.
And the Holy Spirit said,
you picked up a spirit from the lady
when you laid hands on her
because you weren't guarding your heart close enough.
She struggles with it,
and he didn't tell me any more than that.
What the struggle is or what that's about.
She struggles with it and fights with it,
but when you laid hands on
you weren't guarding yourself
and the spiritual flow opened
and it just jumped in right on you.
So how do you know that even happened?
How do you know that was the Holy Spirit said that?
Because all I did was say,
that prayer with that lady
I am addressing any spirits that got on me.
God, I am submitted to your kingdom
and I'm not going into this adultery thing
and I resist this thing commanded to leave me.
Poof!
Just like you flip a switch.
It's just like a drained out of me.
The desire, the mind,
how the mind roams and what.
It just went...
and I was back.
And all the temptation, all the desire,
everything just left me.
That came through me laying on hands to someone
who they had problems
and I wasn't guarded.
And I ended up receiving something
through that open gate of agreement.
Number three, we need to guard
who lays their hands on us.
And we need to be full of God's Spirit
and guarding our heart
when we lay hands on someone else.
And the last one I've said a few times,
you got to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.
Don't do anything just because it's nice
or we're trying to fit in
or we're trying to keep our friend happy
or it's religion or it's tradition or whatever.
You got to be by the Spirit.
Okay, we'll go for questions.
Right behind you, we got one.
So if you...
what happens when...
or how should you handle it?
Say you're...
you're just worshiping
and you got someone come up
you don't even know who's
laying hands on behind you and praying.
I would just turn around and say
if it's okay, thank you for praying for me,
but just don't touch me.
Is that too straightforward for you?
He said, what if you offend them?
Offense reveals them.
What they get offended about reveals them.
Reveals where their heart's at.
We had a situation here.
I won't say how...
it wasn't that long ago.
I won't say how long ago.
Where we had a prayer line
and it was one of those times where I said
if you feel led to pray for somebody,
come up and do it.
Of course, I prayed.
Nothing transfers.
But one person came up
and laid hands on a person
and then laughed afterwards.
That person came to me and said
I had the power of God on me
so strong when I came up.
And when they touched me,
it was like it was sucked out of me.
And it was gone.
I said, who was it?
They turned around and said
I was so-and-so and I wondered too.
Who touched me?
You know how Jesus had virtue flow
out of him for healing?
There's the positive side.
Satan will imitate and pervert that.
And I don't know what the issue is
with the person who laid hands on
but there's a problem there
that when they laid hands on
instead of imparting anointing
they just destroyed the anointing.
They just sucked it away.
They felt virtue leave them
and they were there empty
and they wanted me to know.
So this is something that we have to...
Let me say it this way.
As we're growing,
we're going to make some changes now.
Because this can't happen
over and over and over.
We can't let it happen.
So we have to know
who's doing the praying
and who's laying on of hands
and there's got to be some training
and so forth.
And if I talked to...
So after it happened
I kind of knew what his answer was going to be
but I thought, well let's get an outside opinion
just for the fun of it.
So I talked to Brad about it
and I said, you know,
we like to have it open
so the gifts and the spirit
can operate through...
supposed to be able to move through anybody
and we like to facilitate that
but then I explained what happened.
I said, so we probably have to go
to a formal prayer team now, don't we?
He said, yep, that's why it happens.
He said, that's the most
general reason
churches will stop letting anybody
and everybody lay on hands
and pray for people up in prayer lines
and they'll have a prayer team
because those kind of things
start happening because you get too many people
and you don't know them well enough.
You don't know what's in them.
You don't know what they're struggling with.
You don't know where they're coming from.
I said, so what about the...
Here's my thoughts.
What do you do with the people
who felt led to pray for somebody?
My thoughts would be,
well, if they really felt that
then after the service go to that person
and ask if they can pray for them.
And then it's up to the person to decide
how they want this to happen.
He thought, yeah, that's probably good.
He said, that way you're not stifling
the spirit in anybody
but you're giving the receiver,
like you said, well somebody comes up
and lays hands on me, starts praying for me
and I didn't ask him to.
Well, it gives you the chance
to go, yeah, pray for me,
but just don't lay hands on me.
Or if you know them and you trust them,
yeah, let's get an agreement, let's grab hands.
Lay hands on me, do whatever.
It gives the person more ability
to choose what's going to happen.
And the reason is,
spirits try to transfer.
That's what happens.
So you have to deal with it
and is what it is.
Go ahead.
You can go first, Molly.
I know it says in the Bible
that we are to lay hands on the sick
and they will recover.
Is there an example in the Bible
because I've been looking where Jesus
put his hands on anyone
when he cast out a demon?
I don't know for sure
but I don't believe so
because it usually says he cast him out
with a word.
Of course there might be
an exception to that.
But most of the time,
he laid hands on to heal them.
He laid hands on the children when he blessed them.
That's plural, not a hand.
It's hands.
I don't...
not sure. I'd have to look real close.
Nothing is coming to my mind
right off hand where Jesus laid hands on
anybody. But it could be in there.
So that would be a good homework assignment
to follow that through the Gospels and see.
Are you responding to that question?
Okay, you're waiting for the mic.
Okay, you'll be next. Go ahead, sir.
Really quick.
I know that before in services
we've held hands in here.
Do you always pray ahead of time?
I always pray.
And God knows we have a standing agreement.
I've told him if I forget
consider it prayed.
You know, it's this
happened for every time
we agree.
We're not going to have a transfer
where you're going to pick something up
but now like this last thing
where someone had it stolen from them
that's a different problem.
You know, they didn't pick anything up
but they lost something
which is too bad.
That should never happen at church.
But we're all human here
and we're all in different areas of growth
and you can't get mad at the people.
The people are trying to grow in God.
It comes back to the leadership again
and we got to figure out how to navigate this
to protect the people
but yet still give them the ability to minister.
It's the same time.
A bit of a technical question.
Page 7
letter F
right at the top of the page
and then number 7 it says physical land.
Yep.
And you mentioned tonight Genesis 317
then you said God cursed them.
My technical question is
you got allowed to curse or God cursed them?
I just read the verses and it doesn't say
it did say the Lord said
you are cursed.
Yep. Good question.
But it's a little technical
it could take us off but I just
it was a catch when you said it
and I thought I don't want anyone to be
taken off track or myself for that matter.
Yep.
Going back to what we've taught here is
the curse is getting under the wrong flow.
You got the blessing side which is the God side
and then you got the demonic side
or Satan side which is a choice to you
but if you start getting into sin
and like Deuteronomy 28 29 30
get into those things you get under the wrong
flow which that's what happened with Adam
and Eve and the curse came and rested.
So
to be really specific
and I'll change that before I put it into
the book because I was
I was working I started this morning
I thought you know I'll just throw this
together and the more I looked at it I thought
I better not just throw this together.
So I spent all day on it and I printed
it off at five this evening spent all
day on it so there's still things that need
to be tweaked but your point is very
well taken the new king James says
because you have
heeded the voice of your wife and have
eaten from the tree of which I commanded
you saying you shall not eat
cursed is the ground for your sake
God didn't curse it
but the ground became
cursed because
what happened is they came out
from underneath God's flow when they
So, a physical land can be cursed, but it wasn't God that cursed it. You are absolutely right.
Good technical point. Anybody else have a question?
Or a thought or something you want to throw in?
So, back to somebody praying for you, laying hands on you.
If... could you just pray that prayer, too, if you don't know?
Follow the Spirit.
Just follow the Spirit.
You can pray that prayer.
But why are you letting them would be the question?
Is it something that's tradition?
Is this you don't want to cause problems?
Is it why are you... are you willing to say,
Yeah, pray for me, just don't touch me.
Is that easy for you? Or is that really hard?
The question would be why is that hard?
Because there might be a time the Holy Spirit says,
don't let them touch you.
And you're saying, well, I'm just going to pray that nothing gets through.
Well, if he said, don't let them touch you and you let them touch you
and just pray nothing gets through, it won't work.
Because you're disobeying.
So follow the Spirit.
Good.
I have one more question.
Okay, so for my job, I have to sit down and discuss a client,
their character flaws and their defects and things like that.
And I do it with other people that are also on my team.
Is that gossip?
No.
Because you are doing it for the betterment.
Hopefully you're doing it for the betterment of the person
so they can develop a plan or a way to meet the person's needs better,
understand what the person's going through.
You know, it's for the whole big picture of supposedly helping the person.
We've been in those two doing foster care.
And you got to put it out there.
How about if it's for selfish reasons?
Like, I don't know if I can handle this.
I don't know if this fits.
As long as it's for the betterment of the person,
maybe you're not the one to take care of them.
And you're explaining why.
Yeah, that's it.
Okay, thank you.
And they need someone who can step up and take care of them
considering your experience.
It's still for the betterment of the person.
Because if you can't do it that well,
you're going to do a poor job at it
and now that's going to be bad for the person.
Thank you.
But now if you're sitting around, you're off work,
and you're sitting around with three, four girls at coffee,
and you bring this person up and just trash them,
now you're in the gossip.
Because you're talking to people who have no authority in it.
You're talking to people who can do nothing about it.
You're just putting bad words out.
That would be gossip.
That's fair.
And their opinion of the person is going to go.
You know, even if they're handicapped or whatever.
Really? Is that really what they're like?
Oh my gosh.
I don't know if I could do it.
See, you're throwing the person under the bus
and going forward and backing over them
and just killing them.
That's gossip.
Okay.
Which happens a lot.
Yeah.
Just saying.
Anybody else have anything?
We might be done early tonight.
Oh, you got more questions?
I didn't know if you were moving.
The handout is done, so...
Sorry.
Going back to the heirloom stuff.
And maybe this isn't the time to ask this.
There's a dream.
And in the dream, there was this heirloom.
Well, not all heirlooms are bad.
Right.
Okay, right.
Okay, so too.
Should you go through your heirlooms?
I've got a lot of them.
Absolutely.
And just go and pray with each one?
Absolutely. Go through your knickknacks, too.
And if there's something there you get rid of?
And if a missionary gave you a shrunken head,
you should consider that one, too.
Okay.
If you feel something's bad,
do you tell it to go?
Or do you toss your...
Follow the spirit.
All right.
Again, you might be able to cast it off and keep it.
And again, you might not be able to.
And the spirit says, get rid of it.
You know, we had the missionary thing,
you know, the shrunken head thing
that goes to another night.
We were talking about that stuff.
But there was a particular missionaries
that would come through
and they would leave an item from Africa
or wherever they were that they had gotten
from witch doctors or whatever.
They'd leave an item as a momentum
with every pastor that they visited on that tour.
And they don't always know.
I don't know why they don't know,
but they don't always know the missionaries.
And it was a Bible school thing.
We got on this subject at Bible college.
And it was a mask, you know,
one of these witch doctor masks.
The guy got saved and he gave the mask.
He said, I don't need this anymore.
He gave it to the witch doctor.
I mean, he gave it to the missionary
from the witch doctor.
And the missionary kept it as, you know,
a sign of this guy got free.
That's all good.
Brought it to America
and was going around traveling church to church
and laying a mountain.
Letting people see and giving the stories
behind what happened.
And one of the people at Bible college,
one of their pastors got that mask.
So they hung it on the wall in the,
in the parsonage.
And the Bible school person said this.
They said, you know,
as long as that pastor lived there,
when you'd go in the house,
there was just something evil in that house.
And we blamed the pastor.
But we think after reviewing this,
it could have been the witch doctor's mask
hanging on the wall.
Because see, witch doctor's masks
are not good for anything,
but witch doctor stuff.
I mean, that's all they're designed for.
That's all they're made for.
They are inherent.
They inherently represent evil.
So it's one of those things of,
well, let's take it home
and pray the demons off of it.
It was designed for that purpose.
You're not going to get them off.
That's why it exists.
It's one of those things like in Acts
where you got to break it and burn it
and get rid of it.
It's tainted goods.
So some things you can pray off.
Some things you just got to get rid of.
So whatever, you know,
the pastor moved on to a new pastor
it took his mask with,
hung it on the new new personage wall,
I'm sure, you know,
he was all proud of his mask.
The missionary gave it to him.
And it's like, you just carrying him
with like in a suitcase, you know,
kind of thing.
Yeah, too bad.
But missionaries don't always know.
Like I said, we had missionaries come through
and they'd lay their stuff
right across the front,
across the altar.
And, you know, anything from shrunken heads
to fingers and body parts
that were in like formaldehyde
and just, just, and of course,
masks and knives and shields and stuff.
And as a little kid,
I just thought that was,
that was cool stuff, man.
You get to see all this stuff
and you get to hear the stories
of the people who had it.
Never once did I connect
because the adults never made the connection.
This could be carrying stuff.
Never made the connection.
Kevin, go ahead.
So we've, you were talking about
like the liquid death
and the Black Sabbath albums and stuff.
I have a question about today's technology.
But I want to try to differentiate.
Talking about TV, video games, movies.
Things that aren't physical.
Okay.
Necessarily, like they stream into your home.
Now, there's things like horror films,
which I think are inherently evil.
I mean, if you're,
if you're opening yourself up to that fear
and that sort of stuff,
you're opening yourself up to...
That kingdom, man.
Demonic.
Is there a difference between that
versus a seemingly neutral show
like neutral water
that is prayed over to carry demons
and do they transfer through the Prince of the Power of the Air
through the, you know, the stream into your home
through those digital signals,
but they aren't necessarily tied to fear.
You know, the...
Yeah, they're not necessarily tied to something physical.
Okay.
So now, hang on to the mic
because I'm going to try to answer that
by asking you a question.
Because this crossed my mind
when this movie came out.
We got a movie out now
that's based on Dungeons and Dragons.
Okay.
And I haven't seen it.
I have no intention of seeing it.
But when I saw a trailer of it,
I thought I wonder what Kevin thinks of this
because Kevin had got trapped in that
as high schooler, teenager.
What was it?
Junior high high school.
Junior high high school.
He got trapped in Dungeons and Dragons
and can you explain a little bit
what I mean by trapped?
Yeah.
Okay.
Since I know where the camera is pointing,
I'm just going to come up here so that...
You just come up so you're in the camera.
Yeah, just so that it's not just...
so many of you watching me.
So in Dungeons and Dragons,
when I get into Dungeons and Dragons,
I'm assuming everybody here is familiar
with Dungeons and Dragons
and the general role-playing kind of games.
It's a role-playing game.
Somebody explains to you
what situation you're in
and you say, well, I want to do this
and they tell you what the result of that is.
And you say, okay,
based on that I'm going to tell you
I'm going to try this
and then they'll tell you what that is.
So it's just kind of a give-and-take.
It's like life storytelling.
Once you get into Serious Dungeons and Dragons, though,
it moves very quickly
from storytelling
to demonic interaction,
spell casting,
violence,
all sorts of deceit
and that sort of thing
is your role-playing it.
It's just a game.
It's just a game.
But you're taking on a persona
of somebody who is lying, cheating,
killing.
It's like an avatar kind of thing.
Yeah, exactly.
Now, in my particular situation,
I got into it deeply enough
that I was playing with a Satan worshiper
who not only just wanted me
to walk through the game,
but was also asking me to say these spells
and giving them to me and writing
and saying, I need you to say this
and I need you to pronounce it just right.
And if you can't do it,
I'm going to kill your character.
And that's when I quit.
So that's...
So, just as that basic thing,
there's that storytelling part of it,
which is just a game.
But Dungeons and Dragons...
Sorry, maybe I'm not explaining that very well.
There are games where you tell stories.
Like, there's a game called Diplomacy
where you interact with other people
to establish boundaries and set things up.
This is a Dungeon and Dragons game.
Well, Diplomacy is a political game.
That one's a lot of fun,
but it's the same sort of thing.
You're taking on the persona of a country leader
and you're trying to negotiate with other players and characters.
But Dungeons and Dragons is wrapped up
very much in J. R. O. Tokens world
in the Hobbit Elves.
Demonic stuff.
Yeah, it gets into the trolls and the goblins
and the things of darkness, right?
Werewolves and all that sort of stuff.
So I want to differentiate between
there's types of games where you can play
role-playing kind of things,
and then there's Dungeons and Dragons.
Dungeons and Dragons,
I don't believe you can play it
for any length of time without going really quickly
over into that dark side of things,
the more demonic side of things.
So, yeah, the movie...
So that went through my mind
because I knew that you had to get free of what
grabbed you when you were in that.
And the new movie is all fun and games,
but it's still based on the same principles.
Yes.
And I'm just going to talk to you from sense
and reasoning.
What's the difference between this and Avengers?
Avengers is a bunch of guys dressed up
in costumes playing with things
that they don't...
that aren't their real lives.
Oh, but wait, some of them play wizards
and demonic entities
and witches and werewolves
and shapeshifters and vampires
and all this sort of stuff.
So, all that stuff kind of...
It's acting, right?
Anybody making a movie is pretending to be somebody else.
But who are you pretending to be?
Now, in the Dungeons and Dragons movie,
at this point, there's that old nature
part of me that still remembers that
that says, I want to go see that.
But I'm not going to.
Because I don't need to go see that.
I'm curious about it,
but it's kind of like the can of water.
It's like...
Maybe if you didn't know what it was about
and you open it,
somebody gives it to you,
you're more innocent,
but if you know it's been prayed over,
why would you want to go
and walk as close to that edge as you can
and say, I'm probably going to be okay right here,
right on the edge of this cliff.
It should be good as far as my thinking is concerned.
So now you've got the movie
and you've still very actively got
the Dungeons and Dragons games
in video form and so forth in society.
Do you think
there's any threat
to people
picking up
bad stuff if they get into
Dungeons and Dragons games in society now?
Oh, I really
don't want there to be, but yeah.
My experience is
you cannot...
a Ouija board
is just a piece of wood with a couple of things.
Bingo.
Bingo.
A pad is just connected
via wireless
signals to
a server.
And Dungeons and Dragons is just this game
where you pretend to be somebody else.
And that's just a movie that shows on a screen.
It's not
the wood in the Ouija board that's
the problem. It's coming into agreement
with what it's about.
That's the problem. That's the problem
with playing things on this.
That's the problem with going to see the movie.
If you come into
agreement, wow, that was a cool
movie, Kevin. That was
awesome. Man, I had...
See, now you're in agreement with
everything it's portraying,
which that's what opens you up.
Cool.
And I'm
curious, I brought up Avengers.
I have these same questions.
Okay, I can go see a Spider-Man movie,
science fiction,
whatever. Okay.
And I feel okay with that.
Whether I'm
healthy in that, I don't know, but I feel
okay with that. But Dr. Strange...
See, Dr. Strange started
crossing over into spiritual stuff.
Like Dungeons and Dragons
crosses over into spiritual stuff.
Superman puts on his cape
and pretends to fly through the air
and sometimes you see the strings holding him.
Yeah, not so
spiritual.
Science fiction kind of stuff.
But yeah, we have to make that
division and figure it out inside ourselves.
But thank you for talking with us about
that because I knew that that would
enlighten some things for us.
So yeah,
to say, to kind of sum up
what he just said, his question was
can you grab something through
just a digital device? I mean, you're not...
it's not anything really material.
It's not the tarot
cards, the paper
and the ink on the cards, that's the
problem.
It's what the agreeing
and aligning yourself with what the
cards stand for
becomes the problem. And you
can do that through a digital device too.
Okay, we got one back there and we'll
come up here. I guess as far as going to any
movie, my always question is
does this glorify God? Does it bring me closer
to God or further from God?
And that you have to ask yourself
and depending upon the person,
different people will have
different answers to that.
So again, we don't want to get into
legalism to where it's like, well, you can
only... we'll start listing
the movies on Sunday that people can go
to and the other ones they can't.
No, this is between you and God
and you got to follow your spirit. And
different people will feel differently about
different things between them and God.
They're going to answer for themselves. So
that's where I leave it.
When you were talking about the contract
that's made, I was thinking
it's almost maybe not the same,
obviously, but like the covenant
that we have, that covenant.
And I know
that there are people who have
sold their souls to the devil. They have
made contracts.
And if they even...
they had to have one of their
family members killed
as an offering to seal that.
Penny Pond, how deep they went in, yeah?
Yeah, a lot of them. I mean, there's ones
that you know that that's
family member. So
to me
it's
never impossible with God.
I mean, if... because we've heard
of many who come out,
I know one
who was the witch who switched.
And I mean, her testimony
was wonderful.
And God has used her greatly.
But those contracts
are so powerful.
And you know, people don't realize
that they've
entered into this.
You can't dance with any of that stuff.
It's just... it's...
It'll burn you. And you know, that's one
of the reasons, I mean,
that gangs are so powerful.
Because so many of these
reach out to people, whether they're famous
or not.
And fill a need.
And that's why
I think the harvest is
right for the Lord right now, too.
Because this is so...
Yeah, so pertinent.
We do have a, you know,
a form of a contract
with Heaven, our God.
The thing that
if you go to Revelation 20
and you go to the White Throne Judgment
that describes somewhat of how this works,
the one thing
that God looks for
when he judges
is, is our name
in the book of life.
If our name's in there,
we're in.
Now, our works are going to be judged,
wood, hay, stubble, gold, silver, precious stones,
you know, our rewards, so forth.
The...
The bottom line is
did you
agree with the kingdom
and get your name in the book
or get your name in the contract?
So it is a form of that.
The other, the other side
just imitates that.
You know, it's
it's kind of simple.
I know one person
who was it?
I don't think it was Jesse DePlanis. Somebody
had a Heaven experience.
He had one, but I
read so many. I love the Heaven
experiences. I read all kinds of books.
Ready?
I don't know who the person was,
but they were there
watching when
someone was being judged.
You know, we tend
I think some of our theology,
we don't have it quite right.
Really makes no difference, but
you know, my... I grew up thinking
there is a day set for judgment
and we all have to wait until
that day comes. Well, the white throne judgment
is that way, but the
Bayma judgment, 1 Corinthians 5,
the judging of the saints,
there's no place that really says
there's a day where that happens
and
through different things I've seen and experienced
and like for instance, the story I
shared about Tammy
the other morning
and her getting her reward.
We'll see she went through judgment.
She died and immediately
she walked through judgment
and got her reward and everything
and she's set now for eternity.
You know, so it's
I'm starting to come more to the side
of for Christians, their judgment
is immediate. They don't have to wait.
Their reward is immediate
because you can't reward someone
unless they've gone through the judgment
and like for instance,
another story. So
these accumulate after a while
the guy who mentored me in deliverance
the night he died
the person that
was caretaking him called me
it was like 11, 11.30 at night
they called and said
he just passed away, just wanted you to know
he wanted you to do the funeral
he told us that. So
just giving you a heads up
will give you more information but just
wanted you to know he just passed away.
So that was kind of a shock to me.
So I go back to bed and I'm laying there
kind of in the dark, staring
at the ceiling going
wow, that's
that's different. You know, never thought of
that. I won't be able to call him anymore and ask him
questions or this that and the other
and boom, everything opened up
and I had an open vision
and I saw him
sitting on
a throne. All I saw was just
a piece of a picture. He was
sitting on a large throne
and I was seeing him as he was facing
this way. I was seeing him from this side
and he was sitting on
this large throne. He had
a
for anything better to compare
it to. He had a pulp's hat
you know the hat the pulp wears
official hat. He had that on
and he
had this most gorgeous
purple robe
he was wearing. He was sitting
and he was he had a long
walking stick that as he was
sitting it was kind of like chest height
with a huge white knob
on the top of it, perfect white
and he was sitting there looking this
way and evidently
he knew that I was in a vision
and I was seeing him and somehow he knew
that and he started he didn't look at me
he just talked forward but he knew
I could hear him
and
as he looked forward and he knew I was
I could hear him
he took his hand off
the walking stick and started
gesturing with his hands as he's talking
forward and the first thought went through
my mind is you better grab it it's going to fall over
you know natural
mind. That thing just stood
out of tension there nothing touching it
and he was talking to me saying
some things to me and then he grabbed
the walking stick and he stood up
and he let it go again
and
he raised his hands
and he said
the rewards are
beyond
imagination
don't
ever back away
and
it went closed and that was the end of it
well he already had
his reward he had just died
you know half an hour our previous
he already had his reward he was
already clothed in part of his
reward he was
He was clothed like a reigning king or something. I don't know.
So these little experiences, you put them on the shelf like Mary pondered in her heart
when angels came and said things to her about the baby.
It says she pondered in her heart. You kind of just put them on the shelf and go,
that's different. And after a while, you start seeing a pattern. Well, there's one guy that I
read. He went to, he died, he went to heaven. And in this particular case, it was a person he knew
he was watching them go to judgment. And the angels were with the books and books were opened.
And then this huge book was open. And he said, as they opened it, I could see on it, it said
book of life. And they opened it and Jesus was sitting on the throne. And he said,
are they written in the book? That was the first thing he wanted to know.
Are they written in the book? And he said, they literally flipped the pages.
Yep, right here, gave the date, gave the place, they made Jesus their savior, gave the time,
date, place, time. This is when it happened. Their name is in. And the guy watching who came
back to earth and wrote this, the guy watching said, you could, he said, I never, and this
too, it kind of messes with you like, really? He said the look of relief on Jesus face when
they said his names here. It was like, now I know that I know, we're good.
So it's like, all these little tidbits of information come along and you start making
a picture and going, huh, isn't that interesting? But I don't know how we got on that. You said
something and we got, we got, took the tourist route, evidently, get to the point.
Anyway, anybody else have any questions or anything? Are we good for the night?
We got one on the back. We're getting close to the end.
So recently, a friend of mine, whose brother died, said something to this effect.
Well, we're going to have some jewelry with their ashes in it. I'm like, what?
Oh, there's stuff to hang around the neck and stuff. Yeah. Have you heard of that?
Yeah, I have. Okay. Just curious. Any comments on that?
Yeah. Why? You know, good. Before I give my why, what they're, what's going on now is I guess they
get like pendants and stuff that when someone gets cremated, they take part of the ashes and
put them in the pendant and then either in the pendant or something. Guys can, you know,
have things too. And that way they have a piece of the person with them forever
is the comment. You know, I never lost them. They're with me. And the first question goes
through my mind is why? Why? Why? Why are we doing this? Because what you have in that pendant
wasn't them. You know, it's the leftover of the dirt they lived in, but they're not in it
anymore. They left. So you're actually not carrying them with you. You're carrying dirt.
And you could have scraped them off the floor any place and put it in there and it'd be as good
a representation because they're not with you. They're not in that dirt. They never did that.
They left the dirt. So my question is why? Why? Well, I'm trying to be close to them.
That ain't going to work. Yeah, just, you know, thinking in an analogy, just like,
would you carry around a bunch of people's clip toenails in your little jewelry because
it's the same thing. Yeah, same thing. Interesting. Okay. Thank you.
Now I will say this as a side thought off of that. If you go into the scriptural picture of what
happens when somebody dies, what is the godly picture starting from the beginning? What is
the godly picture? You got to look at the Jews and how they handle funerals and what did
God do with Moses body and on and on and on. The scriptural godly side is when a person dies,
you bury him and you let their body go back to dust and it's the end of it. God buried Moses,
he didn't keep a finger, whatever. It was the end of it. Okay. Now, if you go into the
Satan worship side, they will keep, and then you've heard of grave robbing,
they will keep parts of people's bodies to cast spells with. They do. And when my mentor passed
away, one of his instructions was an unmarked grave because he was so hated by the Satan worshipers
that he had been threatened when you die, we're going to dig up parts of your body and we're
going to use the very thing that you lived in for glorifying your god. We're going to use
it to glorify our god. We're going to use your fingers and your hands and whatever we want
to cast spells. So he had very specific instructions in how he was buried.
You know, a lot of times they have the vault. You've got the coffin and it goes into a cement
vault and it's a big square cement box and then a lid comes on it from the top. He said,
oh no, we're not doing that. He said, that's too easy to lift that lid off and get to me.
I don't want anybody touching my body. He demanded the vault be like the upside down bathtub
to where you've got the cement slab coffin sets on it and the upside down bathtub comes over it.
He says, those are so heavy you have to have a crane to lift them. So unless they're willing to
bring a crane into the graveyard in the middle of the night, they're not getting to me. So he
had some very specific instructions because he didn't want his body parts being used for evil.
Okay, so now take that to, well, we've got grandma sitting on the shelf. That's her urn. Why?
Well, I've got my dad in my pendant. Why? It's to me, it doesn't represent
God's side as much as it leans towards the other side. It's like, yeah, that's creepy. That's messed
up. That's, let them go. Your comfort's in the Holy Spirit, not in them. And move on and get rid
of the fingers, get rid of the toes, get, you know, just get rid of it. You don't need it.
That's my thoughts on it. Everybody can have their own opinion. There's mine.