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Anyway, speaking of demons being able to jump or transfer, that was the first one I want to touch was familiar spirits and what was brought up there.

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Now, someone brought this topic to me and I thought, oh, this perfect timing on this, can curses or demons rest on items?

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Can they transfer that way through items, through physical things?

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Can they come... can we come under the power of a demon or a curse by owning these items or using these items?

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So here was the topic the person brought up to me. They said, have you heard of this?

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Liquid death. They have three different versions of it. This one is sparkling water. It says murder your thirst.

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They have one that is... they got a white can that is something and a green can. I thought, well, I'm not going to stock up on it.

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I'm just... I just want an example. And they asked me about this and they sent me this video. And the... so play this video.

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We're not going to play the whole thing. We're going to play the first part of it. And then we're going to talk about this.

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They said, what do you think about this?

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So many demons are trapping them inside cans of water.

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Inside this very warehouse sits the entire inventory of liquid death mountain water.

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Each can is about to be infused with real demons by a real witch.

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A lot of what I practice can be considered traditional witchcraft.

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What you're about to witness is very real, very dangerous, and in my opinion, a terrible idea.

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We enter into the dark half of the year.

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Now is the time of the dead. I ask you spirits, those who are listening, I invite you here.

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I offer this water as a vessel for you to come into this world.

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When the cans are opened, you are released. I welcome you.

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Now is the time of the dead.

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Demon-infused liquid death. If you drink it, will you become possessed?

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What's going on guys? So this is disturbing, but I mean, it's really not surprising, right?

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There is a war that is going on in the spirit and, hey, you got to be paying attention, right?

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And unfortunately, there's a lot of Christians that don't take this kind of stuff serious, right?

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They're just kind of floating like they're in lava land and they don't think it's a big deal.

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And recently, when this clip started circulating, some people had sent me Ruslan's old video where he was talking about this.

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And the energy that he was talking about, I said, man, we're good there.

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So the entire inventory of this water, and I'm sure it goes on perpetually, is cursed.

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So literally, she spoke demons into this can and pronounced by faith that when this gets opened, they get released.

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And if you go on and watch it, they get released and have permission to go on the person who is drinking it, riding with the water.

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Well, when I saw the can, I thought, who would buy that anyway?

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I mean, think. Hello?

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But then when I saw the video, I thought, oh, and I know why it's named what it's named.

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This is not about mountain water.

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This is about transferring demons.

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It's being done the same way they used to pray over albums.

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So that every album that was printed off the master track, demons would go with it.

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I just watched a video today of Jay-Z, who is a Satan worshiper who works with Rihanna, I believe, or worked with her, made her famous,

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which Beyonce and Rihanna both are into demonic Satan stuff.

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So if you're listening to their music, you're opening yourself up to demons.

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Okay, let's just be blunt about it.

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Anyway, they played one of his albums, you know, they do the back masking thing.

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And it's hard to do with CDs or, you know, especially digital stuff. You can't do it.

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But they've known for years and years and years, your subconscious picks up everything and it unravels everything.

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So they put it into the song. So as you're hearing the song, it sounds like background sounds,

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but it's literally something recorded backwards.

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And on a vinyl record, I did it. I've done it many times. You take the record and you just spin it backwards.

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And most of it goes, well, what are you doing? Because you're listening to the music backwards until you hit the spot.

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And then it'll have a message for you that is just talking to you like it's talking to, like I'm talking to you.

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It's called backward masking. So I watched a video today on one of Jay-Z songs where they somehow got it to go backward.

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And sure enough, here it came. Murder Jesus 666. Murder Jesus 666. Just that plane.

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Well, when it's playing the other way, our conscious mind doesn't catch it, but our subconscious does.

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And it's a way of infiltrating into our mind.

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So can that even happen that you can pick up a demon from participating with something that's cursed?

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Because it is cursed. So we're going to talk about this.

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Can it happen or can't it? Well, everything goes back to Scripture.

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So we got to find this in the Scripture.

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So let's go to the guiding principle.

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Talked about it some already. Got it here again.

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God created the spirit world, page six. He has set the laws as to how it operates.

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These laws apply to both the good and the evil spirit realm.

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That's why Satan can only pervert what's already there. He cannot create something new.

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Some things of how the kingdom of darkness operates can be seen by looking at how God formed the kingdom of light to operate.

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It's just the flip side of the coin. One will be for righteousness and good, and the other will be perverted for unrighteousness and evil.

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For instance, I gave you that first example there already.

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If God created it, Satan will find a way to pervert it and imitate it.

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The first one I gave you there was speaking in tongues.

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Is there false tongues? Boy, you bet you there is. Absolutely.

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If there's worship, worship for God, then there's false worship.

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Worship of Satan, worship of self, etc.

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If there's a hierarchy in the spirit realm on God's kingdom, then there's a hierarchy in the spirit realm on Satan's kingdom because it's the only way it can work.

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It's the way God set it up to work.

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So no matter what God does, the mirror image which is evil, try to imitate it and pervert it, Satan will do the same.

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So the bottom of page 6, letter E, if scripture shows that items can be blessed, then items can be cursed.

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A good or evil flow can attach to them and go through them.

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Is there evidence, page 7, that the spirit realm can rest on an item whether resting on a good or resting on it bad?

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Yes, there is.

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And I listed a number of examples there for you.

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For instance, number 2, the Old Testament tools that were used in the tabernacle were blessed, consecrated, sprinkled with blood and set apart to be holy.

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So there was something very special that came to rest on them. The priest garments were the same, the Old Testament tabernacle, the altar, all this was the same.

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Speaking of items, you got Elisha's bones. They carried an anointing to where the dead man was thrown in on his bones and the dead man came back to life.

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There was an anointing there.

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Acts 19, anointing handkerchiefs taken from Peter's body and taking him to sick people and the sick people got well.

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Literally, they rubbed him on Peter's body, took him, and the anointing was on the handkerchief and got the person whole.

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Physical land can be blessed, it can be cursed. God cursed it in Genesis 3.17.

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Deuteronomy 28, food, crops, and animals can be cursed. These are all things.

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Everything we lay our hands to, Deuteronomy 28 is one of the places, numerous places, talks about everything we lay our hands to, prosperous or is blessed.

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The thing becomes prosperous, the thing is blessed.

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So yes, spirit realm stuff can attach to and rest on items. There is just a number of examples, not all of them in scripture, but there's a few.

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So if God shows that items can be blessed, then items can be cursed.

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Items can have a good or an evil flowing through them.

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So there I list a number of things that are evil that have demonic stuff attached to them.

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And I didn't even list liquid death there.

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So can, here's the big question, it's the bottom of page 7 there. So can someone get affected or get a demon from drinking liquid death?

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That's the question.

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Okay, so what if they did it ignorantly? They didn't know anything about this being cursed.

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Remember that one deliverance session I was having that the demon just was just stubborn as a mule and wasn't going to leave and this, that and the other.

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And I finally called the person back, you know, the demon was talking this and I got rid of them and I called the person back.

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I said, do you have anything going through your mind when this thing is just mocking me and making fun of me?

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And they said, all I've got is a picture of a record I own. Well, I believe it was a Black Sabbath album.

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I said, where is it? Can you get it? Yeah, I got it in my bedroom.

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So they went and got it and brought it out.

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And I said, you realize that every album that comes from Black Sabbath is cursed, carries demons with it and they try to get inside you.

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When you give yourself over to the music, they give themselves into you. It's kind of like an exchange.

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I had no idea. Remember the story tried to burn it wouldn't burn this and the other covered with lighter fluid wouldn't burn that whole story.

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So now this person had a demon that was talking to me who refused to leave because of the person's attachment to an album that they didn't know had a curse on it.

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They were innocent to that. They didn't know that.

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It don't make any difference. You say, well, how'd they get it? Well, we'll talk about that in a bit, but let's go on.

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So if they know about it, can they get a demon from it? Absolutely.

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You know, I mean, if now that I've explained this to you, you go out and buy this and start popping them.

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Don't come to me for deliverance because you're just plain stupid.

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I don't want to get involved in this.

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But if we don't know about some things being cursed, can they still affect us?

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Well, what does the scripture show us? And what we're about to see is this is why we have to be led by the spirit, God's spirit, not another spirit.

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So people who don't know there's a curse on something, they're innocent to it. Can it still affect them?

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Well, the original curse, which hasn't lifted off of mankind. We're still living with this.

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In Christ through faith, we have the ability to overcome it, but it's still active around us.

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Snakes don't realize they're under a curse, but do they still crawl on their belly?

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Do women still have pain and childbirth?

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And do they curse? You know, every woman in the hospital is cursing God for the curse because they're having pain and childbirth.

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98% of them don't even know where it came from, the pain and childbirth.

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But they're still experiencing pain and childbirth, aren't they?

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Men treat women like property as the ground still cursed with thorns and thistles.

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Does the ground still produce thorns and thistles?

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Does a man still sweat when he works hard? Do human beings still die?

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Why didn't realize sweating when you work hard was part of the curse?

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I didn't know that. Yeah, but you still sweat, don't you?

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You don't have to know.

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You just have to come into agreement with it.

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That's where we have to be led by the Spirit.

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Now, when I went and looked at this setting on the shelf,

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happened with me, probably happened with a bunch of you.

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My spirit went.

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So if I wouldn't have known the backstory, the only reason I bought this is because I wanted to show you the backstory

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and how spirits can transfer through physical items, especially this one because it's cursed.

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It's designed to fill you with demons. That's what its purpose is.

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Now, had I not known the backstory,

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just looking at it and feeling what I felt, I would have never bought this.

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So I never have to worry about getting a demon from this whether I know the backstory or not

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because I'm following the spirit.

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And I just won't go there. So if I don't go there, I'll never pop the lid and I'll never drink it.

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Therefore, I'm safe.

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But if I'm not following the Holy Spirit, what's the New Testament's full of it?

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Walk by the spirit. Those who are led by the spirit are the sons of God.

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Those who follow the spirit do not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

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And it's just the spirit, the spirit, the spirit. You've got to follow the spirit.

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Those who are not following the spirit are going to go, well, look at that. Isn't that funny?

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That's sparkling water straight from the Alps.

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That's probably good stuff.

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Oh, isn't this funny down here? It says, murder your thirst.

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So that's what that's about. Liquid death. We're going to kill my thirst.

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Not paying any attention to their spirit at all. Just going with the head.

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Can they get demons from it? Absolutely.

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Now if any of you drank that, it's time to do a little self-deliverance and repentance.

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And don't go back and do it again.

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I mean, we've all had things where things have gotten on us.

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That's what James 4-7 is for.

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Submit yourself to God that involves repentance and resist it.

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Command whatever was attached to that to get out of you and it will flee.

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But I thought, you know, that is a really good object lesson for demons transferring with items.

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Now if you flip back to page 7, some of the things listed there, I mean to us, they'd probably be obvious.

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Weegee boards, tarred cards, items that are used in Satan worship or witchcraft.

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Crystals or jewelry that has been quote-unquote blessed to have powers.

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Blessed by who? Who did this blessing? That's what I want to know.

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Because crystals and jewelry in and of themselves do not have power.

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Just saying. Signs, symbols, hand gestures.

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Anybody know what that means?

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Oh man, you're not watching enough music today.

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A lot of them are doing this.

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Illuminati.

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And when they do it like this, the all-seeing eye.

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Which again, the all-seeing eye from that, like the all-seeing eye on your dollar bill does not necessarily refer back to God.

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This Illuminati thing's been around longer than this country's been around.

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So there's many hand gestures that can be made that are demonic signs.

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And you just don't want to go around making those hand gestures once you know.

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I mean, you just don't want to do it.

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Some heirlooms.

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Have you, let me, let me, here's, here's a couple little stories.

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Have you ever gone to a garage sale, a state sale? Let's go with a state sale.

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And pick some stuff up that is definitely antique-ish.

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And when you pick it up, it's just like, yuck, this feels horrible.

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I ain't interested.

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There's probably demons attached to it.

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Have you ever gone to any of these old houses from, like, the turn of the century in the 1900s?

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I'll just give you one off the...

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Mary and I like to go to these for...

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I want to see what happened in the physical realm back then, because these people are all rich.

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So what did they have?

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But I also like to feel the house.

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What does the house feel like?

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So we went to one in Upper Michigan, Kowani Peninsula.

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It's in the copper across the river.

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It's in the copper country.

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It was one of the guys who owned some of the big copper mines.

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I could look up the town for you, but if you get up there, just look for historical places

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where people who owned copper mines lived.

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So big mansion.

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So we went through that.

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He built it in the late 1800s.

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I think they started occupying shortly after 1900.

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They had running water. They had electricity with push button.

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It was like, wow, this was very advanced for its time.

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And there were certain rooms you'd walk into.

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You know, it's like, man, there's some creepy crawlers in this room.

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But there was a hallway that there was a set of stairs, the back stairs,

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that went up to where the servants' quarters were.

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They didn't get to go up the, you know, the big wide stairs with the big rails.

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And that's where the owners went up.

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The servants had to go up their bedroom, had to go up the back way.

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And it was off the kitchen. It was right the hallway.

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And it was, it was all right.

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But it was definitely not fancy. It was just a hallway.

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And there was a hallway that you'd go into and you come around the corner.

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You could either go into the kitchen or you could turn and go up the steps to the servants' quarters.

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That hallway, something really bad happened in.

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I don't know what happened there.

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But it will make your skin grow.

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So if you ever want to go there and feel it, just have at it.

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And it's like, so I walked through then it's like, oh, yuck.

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It's like death in that hallway.

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I mean, the rest of the house don't feel all that great, but that was like a hotspot.

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So I didn't say anything.

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And I said, hey, Mary, let's go around this way and see the house this way.

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And we, we walk in that hallway and she stops and goes,

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this is horrid.

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I said, what's wrong with it?

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No, I'm talking the feeling.

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Something really is, there's a demon standing right here or something.

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Haunted houses are absolutely real.

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You know, that kind of thing.

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So here's an example of, I don't know what happened in that hallway,

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but there are spirits who've taken up residence there.

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Okay, so now dealing with heirlooms.

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If something was purchased, we don't know where some of this stuff comes from that was bought 100 years ago.

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Something was purchased out of rebellion.

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If something was purchased from, you know, there were people in witchcraft, Satanism back there too.

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It may be a simple looking thing, but you don't measure that with your eyes.

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You measure that with your spirit.

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Because some heirlooms carry yuck stuff.

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And you'll feel it.

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When you touch them, when you handle them, you'll feel it.

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Just, my advice, just leave alone.

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So let's finish this up and then we'll go into questions.

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So transference of spirits.

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Now this kind of sums it up.

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Is there evidence in scripture that a spirit can transfer or its anointing can transfer between people?

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So this is a little bit redundant, but it sums it up.

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It goes hand in hand with the previous two topics that we just talked about.

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To find the answer to the question, is there evidence in scripture?

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Again, I give that main principle.

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So the short answer at the bottom is yes, spirits can transfer.

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There's two types of transfers we see in scripture.

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Person to person transfer of spirits, or anointing, and spirit realm to person transfers.

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Not necessarily person to person, but spirit realm to person.

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So flip to page 10.

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Here is godly examples of spirit realm to people or people to people examples.

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As the top is godly examples, good examples.

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Here's how God set it up to operate.

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And in the bottom you've got the twisted, perverted side of transfer of spirits.

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Exodus 28-3.

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The spirit of wisdom came on men to make everything for the Old Testament tabernacle

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and the articles and the Ark of the Covenant.

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These guys didn't know how to do it, but the spirit of wisdom transferred to them.

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That's a spirit realm to a person transfer.

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Numbers 11-17.

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The spirit that was on Moses to lead and judge the people,

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God said, I will take of your spirit and I'll put it on 70 more to help you

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so you don't have to do everything, but the same spirit works on all of them.

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Well, we know that spirit's from God.

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It was a facet of the Holy Spirit and how the Holy Spirit works.

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But there we have a person to person transfer.

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The other one I mentioned was a god to a person transfer.

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So you've got all kinds of examples there.

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And you've got the ungodly examples.

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In fact, the second one there, Numbers 5.

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This is interesting. Numbers 5, verse 14 and 30.

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If the wife is unfaithful,

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and it literally says,

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and the spirit of jealousy comes upon the husband.

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It's like, well, there's a transfer of spirits.

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He's not dealing well with this,

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and he picked up a demon because of it.

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There's numerous ones here.

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There's a couple of New Testament ones there receiving a spirit.

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Paul says it this way,

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and a lot of times we don't pay attention to the first part of what he says.

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We have not received a spirit of fear,

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but of power, love, and a sound mind.

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So he's describing the spirit we have received.

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But you can receive a spirit of fear.

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It's just we have not.

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See, he said that right in that verse.

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We didn't receive a spirit of fear.

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Why would he say that?

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Because you can.

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You can get a spirit of fear.

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It can come to you.

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Like, for instance, when I walked into my house

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and I felt what the residue of that familiar spirit

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that was left by my mother,

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that would have been a person-to-person transfer.

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Her to me.

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Spirit of fear.

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It can happen.

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This one is kind of interesting.

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1 Corinthians 2, 12, and 13.

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Link that with James 3, 14 through 16.

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Especially if you read James in the Amplified,

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but you don't even have to.

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You can just read it in New King James or whatever.

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The wisdom of this world

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is a demonic spirit that can be received.

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So now, you really have to stop and think about that.

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Because in James, he's trying to...

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he's at the end of chapter 3,

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he's trying to contrast.

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First, he talks about the spirit of God.

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No, I think he talks about this spirit first.

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Then he talks about the spirit of God

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and what that's like.

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And he's trying to contrast

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what it's like to be led by the spirit

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or not be led by the spirit.

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In Romans 8,

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it talks about the subject again

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about being led by the spirit

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or not being led by the spirit.

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And it calls it

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sense and reasoning

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without the Holy Spirit.

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I don't see a big issue with this.

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I mean, it's just water.

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It's got a stupid name, but whatever.

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That is sense and reasoning

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without the Holy Spirit.

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Now, if you tie that to James 3,

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James 3 says,

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sense and reasoning without the Holy Spirit

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or wisdom that is not given by the Holy Spirit

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is given from the other side.

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And he flat out says it's demonical.

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It's devilish.

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So when we make decisions

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without hearing God,

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we could be...

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I'm not going to make a flat out

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while you definitely are,

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but we definitely could be making decisions

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under the wisdom of the demonic.

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That's how those two verses put it together,

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especially when you tie it with the one in Romans 8,

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and I didn't write that down there,

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but I can give it to you if you want.

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Jump over to page 11.

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This is a person to people

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and the people are kings who control nations,

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spirits from the devil,

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the antichrist and the false prophet will go out

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and influence and come upon,

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use mind control on the kings of the earth

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and bring them to Armageddon for war.

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So that brings up other questions like

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can evil spirits transfer at will?

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In other words, whenever they want to,

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can they transfer?

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What gives them the right to transfer?

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And what can cause a spirit to transfer to us?

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Okay, so now this last part's important.

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So we'll go through it.

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Everything in the demonic world

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works on the foundation of two things.

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And these are agreement and sin,

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and they're set up under the principles

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of how God operates.

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If two or three agree as touching anything,

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it shall be done.

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Okay?

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God went to the tower of Babel,

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saw what they were doing,

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saw that they were all, what God called,

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they were all of one mind.

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They were in agreement.

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He said, as long as they're of one mind,

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there is nothing that will be impossible to them.

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They were in full out rebellion against God.

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And in agreement to do so,

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because the tower of Babel originally

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was supposed to be built

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so they could pull God off his throne.

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It's still Lucifer rebelling.

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And now he's got men doing it with him or for him.

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So you've got agreement,

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perverted, twisted agreement,

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but you've got agreement.

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And then you've got sin.

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Well, what is sin a perversion of?

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Righteousness.

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Righteousness is doing it God's way.

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Sin is doing it the devil's way.

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That's all it is.

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It's just doing one's doing for God the right thing

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and the other is doing for the devil the wrong thing.

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Everything in the demonic world works on those two.

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Everything.

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These are what gives them the right to do anything in us.

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It's the perversion of and an imitation of the godly spiritual laws.

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Number two there, Satan's kingdom will establish

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what are called contracts.

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So we haven't explained that yet,

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so we'll explain it here.

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It's how they refer to it.

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These are spiritually legal binding agreements

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that give the demons the right to do something.

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The agreement is made between a person

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and the evil side of the spirit world

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via open agreement with something that's usually sin.

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It can be open agreement,

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but if you're going to openly agree with that side of the world,

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the dark side, it's usually about something that's sin.

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It's not righteousness, it's sin.

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Number three, and then we'll talk about it a little bit.

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The person may not know they are establishing a contract,

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but when they enter into willful sin,

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the demons see that as their legal right

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to work in that area with the person.

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That becomes the contract.

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And they will, if one gets away on you

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and starts talking through the person

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and claiming why they can be there,

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they will use that word.

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I have the legal right, I have contract.

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That's a familiar spirit talking.

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Their contract goes back

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and they've established it and blah, blah, blah.

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So let's answer the questions. Talk about this.

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Can evil spirits transfer at will?

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No.

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They must have legal right,

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which is always based in some form of agreement

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or sin.

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If you are participating in the same kind of sin

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as another person, demons can transfer.

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And it lists a few there.

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It can be any kind of sin.

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Every sin has demons assigned to it

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to help promote it.

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Those demons can transfer if they are given legal right.

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So, let's use this for an example again.

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I disagree with you, pastor.

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We're under grace.

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We should be able to drink anything we want to drink.

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Well, that's your choice.

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It's America.

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You got it right to your opinion.

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Okay.

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I'm not necessarily wanting to sin.

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I just don't agree with the video

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and it's that big a deal.

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So what are you agreeing to?

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If you're not agreeing with that,

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you're not agreeing with this,

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could be bad for you.

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What are you agreeing to?

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Well, I'm agreeing...

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I think I can drink this anytime I want

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and no big issue.

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Well, go ahead and do it.

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We'll see how that turns out for you.

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Because what you did is you just through agreement

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established a contract

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and you just got demons.

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Now, if you're a Christian

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who hears God at all,

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he's going to try to convince you not to do that.

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Okay?

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And when he tries to convince you not to do it

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and you do it anyway,

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now you've established another contract

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because now you've entered into willful sin.

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Not about this, about

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I don't want to do what you're asking me to do.

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I want to do it my way.

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And you're sinning against him.

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So now you got two bad things going for you.

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So no, they must have legal right

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which is always based in agreement or sin.

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For instance, if you are participating

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in the same kind of sin as another person

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which means you're agreeing with them,

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demons can transfer

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let's say your best friend is a liar.

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I mean, they just struggle with lying.

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I don't want to call them a liar,

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but they just really struggle with lying.

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And you guys were doing something you shouldn't have done

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and their mom has an idea

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that you were in stuff you shouldn't have been.

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So they have to go home

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and talk to their mom about where they were

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and they don't want to say where they really were.

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So they're going to lie to mom

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because they have a problem with lying.

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And they turn to you and say

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can you back me up on this?

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Agree with me on this.

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So they go home, they do the lie.

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I never lied.

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I just said I agree with them.

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I didn't lie though.

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Then make no difference.

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You agreed to the spirit that was operating through them.

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When you agree with that,

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you've now opened a door, it can transfer to you.

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If two or three agree is touching anything,

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well, both of you just touched a lying spirit

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and you both agreed on it.

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Yeah, we'll do this.

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That's how they transfer.

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Stealing, you know,

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anything, unscriptural sex, offenses, gossip.

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People are gossiping

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and they're just meddling in areas

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they shouldn't be meddling and slandering people

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and talking them down and this, that and the other.

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Well, don't you think that's what they're like?

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You're kind of put on the spot.

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Well, I guess, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

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They were actively in sin in their gossip and slander.

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If there's a spirit attached to that,

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which there probably is,

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because there's a spirit attached to every form of sin

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trying to help promote the sin.

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So there's probably a spirit attached to that.

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When you came into agreement with them and that spirit,

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you opened yourself up to that spirit.

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You're in agreement with it.

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See my points?

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What gives them the right to transfer?

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It's the agreement in the sin.

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Coming into a letter B there,

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coming into spiritual agreement with anyone

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can open you up to whatever spirits they are carrying.

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Now, please catch this next part.

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Agreeing in prayer with someone who's got demons.

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Agreeing for an answer to prayer

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with someone who's got demons.

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Agreeing on a spiritual belief doctrine or conclusion

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that is not a godly, I should have added,

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that is not a godly spiritual doctrine or conclusion.

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It's an ungodly one,

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but you're agreeing on it can open you up.

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See, there's something that happens,

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and people don't understand this,

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but there's something that happens

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if I say, let's agree.

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And we grab hands and agree.

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There's a spiritual openness that takes place here.

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The two are agreeing to touch something,

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so we become one in that.

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In that one agreement, stuff moves.

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Godly stuff and ungodly stuff

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moves because we've opened ourselves up

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to the other person in agreement with them.

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Let's hit a few more and I'll give you some stories.

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Especially if there is a spiritual transfer

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like the anointing with the spiritual movement

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or impartation, whatever you're doing,

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whatever you're in agreement on,

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all kinds of spirits can transfer.

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I just gave the top two there.

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Third one, laying on of hands in prayer in agreement.

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Or number four, allowing someone to pray over you

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for something.

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When you go, yeah, pray over me.

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You have become an open sponge to receive

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from what that person is going to impart to you.

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Now what they impart to you could be God.

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But there could be something that they have in them

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that rides in on the water of the impartation.

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I have seen that over and over and over.

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Especially the first person that comes to my mind,

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somebody who comes to the church here a couple years ago,

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they came to me, they said,

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I feel yuck inside.

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I am bound up.

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I've lost my freedom.

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I have whatever.

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I said, when did it start?

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Well, I went to a conference.

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I said, what kind of conference was it?

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Well, it was a deliverance conference.

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I said, did anybody lay hands on you and pray for you?

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Well, yeah, the person in charge of the conference.

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I said, you picked up demons.

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You didn't lose any.

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You picked up theirs.

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And they probably were planting them in seed.

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It may not have been intentional,

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but what's in us transfers.

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That when the spiritual gate opens,

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it's not like there's a sift there

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sifting out the good from evil.

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It just opens.

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The only way that sift comes into place is if we demand it to.

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Now, things are possible if we'll believe.

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So now, like for instance,

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when we pray for each other here,

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one of the things we have is a standing rule

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and I will pray it almost every time.

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And there will, and don't say it out loud

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because so many young Christians,

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they get confused or fearful.

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Now, no, we got a different problem.

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But I'll say it quietly.

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And nothing will transfer here,

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except it be of God's spirit.

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His kingdom only.

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I forbid anything else.

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See, now there's a filter

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that if someone who's got problems

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lays hands on someone else and prays for him,

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the only thing that can get through is God.

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If you don't set up that filter,

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when that spiritual door opens,

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anything can get through.

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I was talking to someone,

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oh, this is years ago already.

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They had attended,

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I can't say the name because

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won't do any good,

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but a very well-known, nationally known,

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full gospel, tongue-talking minister

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had attended one of their conferences.

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And in the conference,

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they had everybody grab hands

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and pray for each other,

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one to the right and one to the left.

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Pray for each other.

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And they so loaded up

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with demons of suicide

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that they had never had problems with suicide

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before the conference

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and after the conference,

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they said, I don't trust myself to be alone.

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Everything inside of me

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is pushing me to kill myself.

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I said, where were you?

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When did it start?

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Just track it back.

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When did it start?

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Well, I went to a conference with so-and-so,

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and they mentioned the name,

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and I said, well, everybody knows so-and-so.

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What happened?

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Well, I don't know.

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I sat there, they taught.

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I said, did anybody pray for you?

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I never went to the front.

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I said, did anybody pray for you?

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Well, there was that when we grabbed hands that time.

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I said, bingo, that's it.

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So what do we do?

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We just went back to that point.

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As the Holy Spirit sees, knows, and numbers,

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what happened at that conference

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when everybody grabbed hands?

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We're talking to you now.

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All of you.

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And I led the person in a James 4-7 prayer.

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And now you got to go.

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You can't stay here.

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Poof, they were gone.

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The person never had a problem again.

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It just cleared up like the fog lifted.

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Never had a problem again.

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They picked them up at a Christian conference

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because they got into spiritual agreement

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with people they had no idea what's in these people.

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And it's really dangerous.

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Another example.

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Hagen, who's above Hagen?

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In our lineup, we got me, Kaspen,

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Brother Hagen, Smith Wigglesworth.

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Got to get the latter there.

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His daughter was used...

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You don't hear much about her,

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but Wigglesworth's daughter was used greatly

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in the things of God.

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Hugely.

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And at one of AFCM's family reunions,

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I think it was one of them they met in Minneapolis,

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Billy Brim was talking about her.

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And she asked her, she had a chance to talk to her,

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and she asked her, she said,

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give me some of the keys that you walk by,

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you live by, to be able to walk in such power.

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And the first one she said is,

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I don't let anybody lay hands on me

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and pray for me unless I know them.

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Remember that?

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Yep. That's what she said.

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Why?

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Because we pick up critters.

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Because when we're spiritually open

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to receive the water runs

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and all kinds of stuff flows through that water.

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And this lady knew it, which evidently her dad knew it.

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I'll bet you Wigglesworth didn't let any

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poedongue holler pray over him either.

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But yet we will do it.

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Who is the first to pray to me?

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I don't know, never met him before,

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but they seem so nice.

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He could have been a witch!

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What's wrong with you?

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You just can't be that naive.

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So let's go on.

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Number three in the bottom page 12,

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what causes spirits to transfer

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when we come into agreement

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and we participate in the same kind of sin.

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Page 13.

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Number one conclusion.

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We need to pay attention to the things

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we get involved with in numerous ways.

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I gave you numerous examples here

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and I'll give you some more,

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I'm sure in questions and answer time.

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You just don't do something

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because it's the thing to do.

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You do it because the spirit led you to do it.

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Or he told you not to do it.

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And if you're not being led by the spirit,

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don't do it because what you're doing

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could be being led by demons.

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James chapter 3, 1 Corinthians 2.

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Well, it just seemed like it made sense to me.

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Yeah, that's the first step into problems.

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Once it makes sense to the human mind,

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that's a warning sign.

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Number two, we need to pay close attention

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to whom we come into spiritual agreement with.

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That's really big in the church.

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We just, we have to pay attention.

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There's people here who are not that squeaky clean.

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Don't submit yourself to them to pray for you.

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There's people at conferences.

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I'll give you another story.

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We had a prayer line,

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and I think I shared this one already,

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but it comes to me, so I'll share it again.

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We had a prayer line,

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we had lots of prayer lines in Colorado.

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I went through a prayer line in Colorado

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and someone who had come to the church for years,

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a lady was in the prayer line,

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she came forward.

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I don't remember what we were even praying for.

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She came forward to be prayed for,

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and I prayed for her,

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late hands on her,

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prayed for this,

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and the other went down the prayer line.

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The next morning I woke up

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with such intense desires to commit adultery.

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It was just like,

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man, I want to do this.

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I looked at Mary and I said,

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what the world?

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This is not me.

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So I started praying about it.

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It took me most of the day.

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Holy Spirit, what in the world is this?

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This is not what...

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And it was just such a driving,

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wouldn't leave you alone.

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You got to find a way to do this.

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And the Holy Spirit said,

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you picked up a spirit from the lady

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when you laid hands on her

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because you weren't guarding your heart close enough.

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She struggles with it,

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and he didn't tell me any more than that.

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What the struggle is or what that's about.

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She struggles with it and fights with it,

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but when you laid hands on

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you weren't guarding yourself

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and the spiritual flow opened

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and it just jumped in right on you.

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So how do you know that even happened?

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How do you know that was the Holy Spirit said that?

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Because all I did was say,

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that prayer with that lady

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I am addressing any spirits that got on me.

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God, I am submitted to your kingdom

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and I'm not going into this adultery thing

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and I resist this thing commanded to leave me.

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Poof!

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Just like you flip a switch.

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It's just like a drained out of me.

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The desire, the mind,

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how the mind roams and what.

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It just went...

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and I was back.

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And all the temptation, all the desire,

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everything just left me.

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That came through me laying on hands to someone

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who they had problems

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and I wasn't guarded.

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And I ended up receiving something

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through that open gate of agreement.

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Number three, we need to guard

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who lays their hands on us.

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And we need to be full of God's Spirit

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and guarding our heart

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when we lay hands on someone else.

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And the last one I've said a few times,

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you got to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit.

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Don't do anything just because it's nice

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or we're trying to fit in

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or we're trying to keep our friend happy

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or it's religion or it's tradition or whatever.

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You got to be by the Spirit.

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Okay, we'll go for questions.

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Right behind you, we got one.

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So if you...

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what happens when...

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or how should you handle it?

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Say you're...

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you're just worshiping

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and you got someone come up

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you don't even know who's

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laying hands on behind you and praying.

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I would just turn around and say

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if it's okay, thank you for praying for me,

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but just don't touch me.

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Is that too straightforward for you?

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He said, what if you offend them?

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Offense reveals them.

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What they get offended about reveals them.

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Reveals where their heart's at.

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We had a situation here.

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I won't say how...

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it wasn't that long ago.

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I won't say how long ago.

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Where we had a prayer line

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and it was one of those times where I said

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if you feel led to pray for somebody,

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come up and do it.

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Of course, I prayed.

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Nothing transfers.

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But one person came up

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and laid hands on a person

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and then laughed afterwards.

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That person came to me and said

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I had the power of God on me

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so strong when I came up.

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And when they touched me,

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it was like it was sucked out of me.

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And it was gone.

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I said, who was it?

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They turned around and said

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I was so-and-so and I wondered too.

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Who touched me?

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You know how Jesus had virtue flow

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out of him for healing?

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There's the positive side.

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Satan will imitate and pervert that.

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And I don't know what the issue is

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with the person who laid hands on

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but there's a problem there

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that when they laid hands on

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instead of imparting anointing

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they just destroyed the anointing.

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They just sucked it away.

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They felt virtue leave them

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and they were there empty

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and they wanted me to know.

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So this is something that we have to...

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Let me say it this way.

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As we're growing,

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we're going to make some changes now.

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Because this can't happen

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over and over and over.

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We can't let it happen.

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So we have to know

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who's doing the praying

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and who's laying on of hands

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and there's got to be some training

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and so forth.

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And if I talked to...

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So after it happened

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I kind of knew what his answer was going to be

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but I thought, well let's get an outside opinion

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just for the fun of it.

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So I talked to Brad about it

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and I said, you know,

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we like to have it open

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so the gifts and the spirit

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can operate through...

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supposed to be able to move through anybody

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and we like to facilitate that

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but then I explained what happened.

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I said, so we probably have to go

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to a formal prayer team now, don't we?

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He said, yep, that's why it happens.

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He said, that's the most

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general reason

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churches will stop letting anybody

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and everybody lay on hands

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and pray for people up in prayer lines

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and they'll have a prayer team

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because those kind of things

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start happening because you get too many people

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and you don't know them well enough.

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You don't know what's in them.

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You don't know what they're struggling with.

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You don't know where they're coming from.

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I said, so what about the...

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Here's my thoughts.

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What do you do with the people

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who felt led to pray for somebody?

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My thoughts would be,

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well, if they really felt that

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then after the service go to that person

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and ask if they can pray for them.

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And then it's up to the person to decide

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how they want this to happen.

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He thought, yeah, that's probably good.

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He said, that way you're not stifling

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the spirit in anybody

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but you're giving the receiver,

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like you said, well somebody comes up

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and lays hands on me, starts praying for me

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and I didn't ask him to.

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Well, it gives you the chance

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to go, yeah, pray for me,

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but just don't lay hands on me.

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Or if you know them and you trust them,

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yeah, let's get an agreement, let's grab hands.

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Lay hands on me, do whatever.

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It gives the person more ability

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to choose what's going to happen.

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And the reason is,

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spirits try to transfer.

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That's what happens.

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So you have to deal with it

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and is what it is.

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Go ahead.

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You can go first, Molly.

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I know it says in the Bible

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that we are to lay hands on the sick

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and they will recover.

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Is there an example in the Bible

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because I've been looking where Jesus

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put his hands on anyone

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when he cast out a demon?

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I don't know for sure

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but I don't believe so

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because it usually says he cast him out

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with a word.

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Of course there might be

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an exception to that.

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But most of the time,

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he laid hands on to heal them.

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He laid hands on the children when he blessed them.

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That's plural, not a hand.

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It's hands.

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I don't...

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not sure. I'd have to look real close.

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Nothing is coming to my mind

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right off hand where Jesus laid hands on

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anybody. But it could be in there.

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So that would be a good homework assignment

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to follow that through the Gospels and see.

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Are you responding to that question?

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Okay, you're waiting for the mic.

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Okay, you'll be next. Go ahead, sir.

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Really quick.

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I know that before in services

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we've held hands in here.

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Do you always pray ahead of time?

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I always pray.

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And God knows we have a standing agreement.

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I've told him if I forget

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consider it prayed.

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You know, it's this

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happened for every time

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we agree.

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We're not going to have a transfer

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where you're going to pick something up

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but now like this last thing

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where someone had it stolen from them

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that's a different problem.

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You know, they didn't pick anything up

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but they lost something

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which is too bad.

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That should never happen at church.

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But we're all human here

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and we're all in different areas of growth

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and you can't get mad at the people.

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The people are trying to grow in God.

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It comes back to the leadership again

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and we got to figure out how to navigate this

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to protect the people

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but yet still give them the ability to minister.

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It's the same time.

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A bit of a technical question.

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Page 7

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letter F

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right at the top of the page

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and then number 7 it says physical land.

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Yep.

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And you mentioned tonight Genesis 317

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then you said God cursed them.

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My technical question is

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you got allowed to curse or God cursed them?

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I just read the verses and it doesn't say

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it did say the Lord said

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you are cursed.

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Yep. Good question.

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But it's a little technical

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it could take us off but I just

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it was a catch when you said it

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and I thought I don't want anyone to be

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taken off track or myself for that matter.

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Yep.

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Going back to what we've taught here is

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the curse is getting under the wrong flow.

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You got the blessing side which is the God side

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and then you got the demonic side

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or Satan side which is a choice to you

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but if you start getting into sin

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and like Deuteronomy 28 29 30

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get into those things you get under the wrong

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flow which that's what happened with Adam

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and Eve and the curse came and rested.

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So

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to be really specific

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and I'll change that before I put it into

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the book because I was

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I was working I started this morning

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I thought you know I'll just throw this

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together and the more I looked at it I thought

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I better not just throw this together.

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So I spent all day on it and I printed

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it off at five this evening spent all

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day on it so there's still things that need

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to be tweaked but your point is very

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well taken the new king James says

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because you have

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heeded the voice of your wife and have

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eaten from the tree of which I commanded

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you saying you shall not eat

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cursed is the ground for your sake

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God didn't curse it

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but the ground became

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cursed because

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what happened is they came out

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from underneath God's flow when they

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So, a physical land can be cursed, but it wasn't God that cursed it. You are absolutely right.

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Good technical point. Anybody else have a question?

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Or a thought or something you want to throw in?

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So, back to somebody praying for you, laying hands on you.

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If... could you just pray that prayer, too, if you don't know?

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Follow the Spirit.

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Just follow the Spirit.

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You can pray that prayer.

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But why are you letting them would be the question?

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Is it something that's tradition?

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Is this you don't want to cause problems?

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Is it why are you... are you willing to say,

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Yeah, pray for me, just don't touch me.

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Is that easy for you? Or is that really hard?

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The question would be why is that hard?

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Because there might be a time the Holy Spirit says,

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don't let them touch you.

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And you're saying, well, I'm just going to pray that nothing gets through.

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Well, if he said, don't let them touch you and you let them touch you

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and just pray nothing gets through, it won't work.

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Because you're disobeying.

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So follow the Spirit.

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Good.

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I have one more question.

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Okay, so for my job, I have to sit down and discuss a client,

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their character flaws and their defects and things like that.

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And I do it with other people that are also on my team.

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Is that gossip?

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No.

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Because you are doing it for the betterment.

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Hopefully you're doing it for the betterment of the person

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so they can develop a plan or a way to meet the person's needs better,

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understand what the person's going through.

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You know, it's for the whole big picture of supposedly helping the person.

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We've been in those two doing foster care.

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And you got to put it out there.

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How about if it's for selfish reasons?

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Like, I don't know if I can handle this.

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I don't know if this fits.

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As long as it's for the betterment of the person,

01:00:02.300 --> 01:00:04.240
maybe you're not the one to take care of them.

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And you're explaining why.

01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:07.080
Yeah, that's it.

01:00:07.180 --> 01:00:07.480
Okay, thank you.

01:00:07.540 --> 01:00:11.200
And they need someone who can step up and take care of them

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considering your experience.

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It's still for the betterment of the person.

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Because if you can't do it that well,

01:00:17.500 --> 01:00:19.360
you're going to do a poor job at it

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and now that's going to be bad for the person.

01:00:21.140 --> 01:00:21.460
Thank you.

01:00:22.420 --> 01:00:25.060
But now if you're sitting around, you're off work,

01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:28.100
and you're sitting around with three, four girls at coffee,

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and you bring this person up and just trash them,

01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:33.740
now you're in the gossip.

01:00:34.580 --> 01:00:37.320
Because you're talking to people who have no authority in it.

01:00:37.660 --> 01:00:40.100
You're talking to people who can do nothing about it.

01:00:40.520 --> 01:00:42.120
You're just putting bad words out.

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That would be gossip.

01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:44.720
That's fair.

01:00:45.640 --> 01:00:48.320
And their opinion of the person is going to go.

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You know, even if they're handicapped or whatever.

01:00:51.560 --> 01:00:54.180
Really? Is that really what they're like?

01:00:55.020 --> 01:00:55.960
Oh my gosh.

01:00:57.080 --> 01:00:58.300
I don't know if I could do it.

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See, you're throwing the person under the bus

01:01:01.560 --> 01:01:03.540
and going forward and backing over them

01:01:03.540 --> 01:01:05.660
and just killing them.

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That's gossip.

01:01:06.900 --> 01:01:07.140
Okay.

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Which happens a lot.

01:01:11.160 --> 01:01:11.500
Yeah.

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Just saying.

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Anybody else have anything?

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We might be done early tonight.

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Oh, you got more questions?

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I didn't know if you were moving.

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The handout is done, so...

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Sorry.

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Going back to the heirloom stuff.

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And maybe this isn't the time to ask this.

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There's a dream.

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And in the dream, there was this heirloom.

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Well, not all heirlooms are bad.

01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:43.840
Right.

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Okay, right.

01:01:45.080 --> 01:01:45.820
Okay, so too.

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Should you go through your heirlooms?

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I've got a lot of them.

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Absolutely.

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And just go and pray with each one?

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Absolutely. Go through your knickknacks, too.

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And if there's something there you get rid of?

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And if a missionary gave you a shrunken head,

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you should consider that one, too.

01:02:01.640 --> 01:02:02.040
Okay.

01:02:03.680 --> 01:02:05.320
If you feel something's bad,

01:02:05.540 --> 01:02:06.920
do you tell it to go?

01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.140
Or do you toss your...

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Follow the spirit.

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All right.

01:02:13.400 --> 01:02:15.920
Again, you might be able to cast it off and keep it.

01:02:16.520 --> 01:02:18.380
And again, you might not be able to.

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And the spirit says, get rid of it.

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You know, we had the missionary thing,

01:02:23.820 --> 01:02:24.680
you know, the shrunken head thing

01:02:24.680 --> 01:02:26.060
that goes to another night.

01:02:26.180 --> 01:02:27.580
We were talking about that stuff.

01:02:28.060 --> 01:02:31.400
But there was a particular missionaries

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that would come through

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and they would leave an item from Africa

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or wherever they were that they had gotten

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from witch doctors or whatever.

01:02:41.240 --> 01:02:43.220
They'd leave an item as a momentum

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with every pastor that they visited on that tour.

01:02:49.080 --> 01:02:54.010
And they don't always know.

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I don't know why they don't know,

01:02:56.130 --> 01:02:58.330
but they don't always know the missionaries.

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And it was a Bible school thing.

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We got on this subject at Bible college.

01:03:05.210 --> 01:03:07.570
And it was a mask, you know,

01:03:07.630 --> 01:03:09.350
one of these witch doctor masks.

01:03:09.530 --> 01:03:11.210
The guy got saved and he gave the mask.

01:03:11.350 --> 01:03:12.210
He said, I don't need this anymore.

01:03:12.350 --> 01:03:13.130
He gave it to the witch doctor.

01:03:13.710 --> 01:03:15.230
I mean, he gave it to the missionary

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from the witch doctor.

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And the missionary kept it as, you know,

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a sign of this guy got free.

01:03:21.350 --> 01:03:21.850
That's all good.

01:03:22.290 --> 01:03:23.170
Brought it to America

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and was going around traveling church to church

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and laying a mountain.

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Letting people see and giving the stories

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behind what happened.

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And one of the people at Bible college,

01:03:32.030 --> 01:03:35.010
one of their pastors got that mask.

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So they hung it on the wall in the,

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in the parsonage.

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And the Bible school person said this.

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They said, you know,

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as long as that pastor lived there,

01:03:51.230 --> 01:03:52.490
when you'd go in the house,

01:03:52.570 --> 01:03:54.870
there was just something evil in that house.

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And we blamed the pastor.

01:03:59.430 --> 01:04:03.350
But we think after reviewing this,

01:04:04.530 --> 01:04:06.510
it could have been the witch doctor's mask

01:04:06.510 --> 01:04:07.710
hanging on the wall.

01:04:08.130 --> 01:04:09.770
Because see, witch doctor's masks

01:04:09.770 --> 01:04:11.590
are not good for anything,

01:04:12.110 --> 01:04:13.510
but witch doctor stuff.

01:04:14.750 --> 01:04:16.870
I mean, that's all they're designed for.

01:04:16.970 --> 01:04:17.930
That's all they're made for.

01:04:18.650 --> 01:04:19.470
They are inherent.

01:04:19.630 --> 01:04:21.950
They inherently represent evil.

01:04:23.250 --> 01:04:24.930
So it's one of those things of,

01:04:25.010 --> 01:04:25.890
well, let's take it home

01:04:25.890 --> 01:04:27.970
and pray the demons off of it.

01:04:28.690 --> 01:04:30.630
It was designed for that purpose.

01:04:30.790 --> 01:04:31.730
You're not going to get them off.

01:04:31.970 --> 01:04:32.970
That's why it exists.

01:04:33.150 --> 01:04:35.570
It's one of those things like in Acts

01:04:35.570 --> 01:04:37.030
where you got to break it and burn it

01:04:37.030 --> 01:04:37.670
and get rid of it.

01:04:37.950 --> 01:04:39.870
It's tainted goods.

01:04:43.710 --> 01:04:45.570
So some things you can pray off.

01:04:46.270 --> 01:04:47.890
Some things you just got to get rid of.

01:04:50.010 --> 01:04:51.230
So whatever, you know,

01:04:51.310 --> 01:04:52.970
the pastor moved on to a new pastor

01:04:52.970 --> 01:04:54.210
it took his mask with,

01:04:54.850 --> 01:04:56.870
hung it on the new new personage wall,

01:04:57.030 --> 01:04:57.850
I'm sure, you know,

01:04:57.910 --> 01:04:59.070
he was all proud of his mask.

01:04:59.250 --> 01:05:00.730
The missionary gave it to him.

01:05:01.150 --> 01:05:03.930
And it's like, you just carrying him

01:05:03.930 --> 01:05:05.530
with like in a suitcase, you know,

01:05:05.890 --> 01:05:06.570
kind of thing.

01:05:07.830 --> 01:05:08.790
Yeah, too bad.

01:05:09.070 --> 01:05:10.110
But missionaries don't always know.

01:05:10.790 --> 01:05:13.030
Like I said, we had missionaries come through

01:05:13.030 --> 01:05:13.910
and they'd lay their stuff

01:05:13.910 --> 01:05:14.810
right across the front,

01:05:14.990 --> 01:05:15.650
across the altar.

01:05:16.470 --> 01:05:19.090
And, you know, anything from shrunken heads

01:05:19.090 --> 01:05:22.450
to fingers and body parts

01:05:22.450 --> 01:05:24.670
that were in like formaldehyde

01:05:24.670 --> 01:05:26.670
and just, just, and of course,

01:05:26.770 --> 01:05:31.390
masks and knives and shields and stuff.

01:05:32.450 --> 01:05:33.570
And as a little kid,

01:05:33.610 --> 01:05:34.470
I just thought that was,

01:05:34.930 --> 01:05:36.690
that was cool stuff, man.

01:05:37.430 --> 01:05:39.290
You get to see all this stuff

01:05:39.290 --> 01:05:40.590
and you get to hear the stories

01:05:40.590 --> 01:05:41.710
of the people who had it.

01:05:41.950 --> 01:05:44.150
Never once did I connect

01:05:44.150 --> 01:05:46.790
because the adults never made the connection.

01:05:47.750 --> 01:05:49.590
This could be carrying stuff.

01:05:50.670 --> 01:05:51.730
Never made the connection.

01:05:51.730 --> 01:05:52.490
Kevin, go ahead.

01:05:54.210 --> 01:05:56.430
So we've, you were talking about

01:05:56.430 --> 01:05:57.590
like the liquid death

01:05:57.590 --> 01:05:59.650
and the Black Sabbath albums and stuff.

01:06:00.190 --> 01:06:03.550
I have a question about today's technology.

01:06:05.930 --> 01:06:08.390
But I want to try to differentiate.

01:06:10.070 --> 01:06:12.690
Talking about TV, video games, movies.

01:06:13.350 --> 01:06:15.010
Things that aren't physical.

01:06:15.690 --> 01:06:15.870
Okay.

01:06:17.370 --> 01:06:19.590
Necessarily, like they stream into your home.

01:06:19.590 --> 01:06:22.290
Now, there's things like horror films,

01:06:22.650 --> 01:06:26.070
which I think are inherently evil.

01:06:26.230 --> 01:06:26.670
I mean, if you're,

01:06:26.670 --> 01:06:28.390
if you're opening yourself up to that fear

01:06:28.390 --> 01:06:29.470
and that sort of stuff,

01:06:29.470 --> 01:06:31.550
you're opening yourself up to...

01:06:31.550 --> 01:06:32.370
That kingdom, man.

01:06:32.670 --> 01:06:33.070
Demonic.

01:06:34.290 --> 01:06:38.350
Is there a difference between that

01:06:38.350 --> 01:06:43.270
versus a seemingly neutral show

01:06:43.970 --> 01:06:45.670
like neutral water

01:06:45.670 --> 01:06:48.590
that is prayed over to carry demons

01:06:48.590 --> 01:06:52.370
and do they transfer through the Prince of the Power of the Air

01:06:52.370 --> 01:06:55.750
through the, you know, the stream into your home

01:06:55.750 --> 01:06:58.910
through those digital signals,

01:06:59.210 --> 01:07:01.250
but they aren't necessarily tied to fear.

01:07:01.490 --> 01:07:02.410
You know, the...

01:07:02.410 --> 01:07:03.890
Yeah, they're not necessarily tied to something physical.

01:07:04.090 --> 01:07:04.190
Okay.

01:07:04.710 --> 01:07:05.950
So now, hang on to the mic

01:07:05.950 --> 01:07:07.370
because I'm going to try to answer that

01:07:07.370 --> 01:07:08.430
by asking you a question.

01:07:10.430 --> 01:07:12.210
Because this crossed my mind

01:07:12.210 --> 01:07:14.190
when this movie came out.

01:07:14.250 --> 01:07:15.210
We got a movie out now

01:07:15.210 --> 01:07:16.830
that's based on Dungeons and Dragons.

01:07:16.830 --> 01:07:17.730
Okay.

01:07:18.530 --> 01:07:20.450
And I haven't seen it.

01:07:20.590 --> 01:07:21.790
I have no intention of seeing it.

01:07:22.570 --> 01:07:24.670
But when I saw a trailer of it,

01:07:24.910 --> 01:07:27.070
I thought I wonder what Kevin thinks of this

01:07:27.070 --> 01:07:29.150
because Kevin had got trapped in that

01:07:29.150 --> 01:07:30.210
as high schooler, teenager.

01:07:30.570 --> 01:07:31.450
What was it?

01:07:31.450 --> 01:07:32.510
Junior high high school.

01:07:32.830 --> 01:07:33.510
Junior high high school.

01:07:33.710 --> 01:07:35.470
He got trapped in Dungeons and Dragons

01:07:35.470 --> 01:07:38.690
and can you explain a little bit

01:07:38.690 --> 01:07:39.590
what I mean by trapped?

01:07:41.530 --> 01:07:42.010
Yeah.

01:07:42.330 --> 01:07:42.590
Okay.

01:07:44.270 --> 01:07:46.030
Since I know where the camera is pointing,

01:07:46.030 --> 01:07:47.470
I'm just going to come up here so that...

01:07:47.470 --> 01:07:48.450
You just come up so you're in the camera.

01:07:48.650 --> 01:07:51.030
Yeah, just so that it's not just...

01:07:51.610 --> 01:07:52.830
so many of you watching me.

01:07:54.670 --> 01:07:55.870
So in Dungeons and Dragons,

01:07:56.090 --> 01:07:57.390
when I get into Dungeons and Dragons,

01:07:58.310 --> 01:07:59.610
I'm assuming everybody here is familiar

01:07:59.610 --> 01:08:00.470
with Dungeons and Dragons

01:08:00.470 --> 01:08:02.710
and the general role-playing kind of games.

01:08:05.590 --> 01:08:06.650
It's a role-playing game.

01:08:07.490 --> 01:08:08.530
Somebody explains to you

01:08:08.530 --> 01:08:09.550
what situation you're in

01:08:09.550 --> 01:08:10.810
and you say, well, I want to do this

01:08:10.810 --> 01:08:13.370
and they tell you what the result of that is.

01:08:13.450 --> 01:08:13.930
And you say, okay,

01:08:14.030 --> 01:08:15.190
based on that I'm going to tell you

01:08:15.190 --> 01:08:16.150
I'm going to try this

01:08:16.150 --> 01:08:17.390
and then they'll tell you what that is.

01:08:17.390 --> 01:08:18.350
So it's just kind of a give-and-take.

01:08:18.450 --> 01:08:19.550
It's like life storytelling.

01:08:21.170 --> 01:08:23.910
Once you get into Serious Dungeons and Dragons, though,

01:08:26.150 --> 01:08:28.030
it moves very quickly

01:08:28.030 --> 01:08:29.750
from storytelling

01:08:30.950 --> 01:08:32.630
to demonic interaction,

01:08:33.510 --> 01:08:34.390
spell casting,

01:08:35.330 --> 01:08:35.810
violence,

01:08:37.630 --> 01:08:40.230
all sorts of deceit

01:08:40.230 --> 01:08:41.130
and that sort of thing

01:08:41.130 --> 01:08:42.210
is your role-playing it.

01:08:42.670 --> 01:08:43.450
It's just a game.

01:08:43.450 --> 01:08:44.890
It's just a game.

01:08:45.390 --> 01:08:47.110
But you're taking on a persona

01:08:47.110 --> 01:08:49.430
of somebody who is lying, cheating,

01:08:49.790 --> 01:08:50.110
killing.

01:08:50.250 --> 01:08:51.470
It's like an avatar kind of thing.

01:08:51.590 --> 01:08:52.370
Yeah, exactly.

01:08:53.670 --> 01:08:55.650
Now, in my particular situation,

01:08:56.050 --> 01:08:59.410
I got into it deeply enough

01:08:59.410 --> 01:09:02.990
that I was playing with a Satan worshiper

01:09:03.710 --> 01:09:05.630
who not only just wanted me

01:09:05.630 --> 01:09:07.090
to walk through the game,

01:09:07.150 --> 01:09:09.850
but was also asking me to say these spells

01:09:09.850 --> 01:09:11.550
and giving them to me and writing

01:09:11.550 --> 01:09:13.050
and saying, I need you to say this

01:09:13.050 --> 01:09:14.990
and I need you to pronounce it just right.

01:09:15.510 --> 01:09:16.770
And if you can't do it,

01:09:16.810 --> 01:09:17.750
I'm going to kill your character.

01:09:19.150 --> 01:09:22.250
And that's when I quit.

01:09:23.210 --> 01:09:24.150
So that's...

01:09:24.150 --> 01:09:27.870
So, just as that basic thing,

01:09:27.990 --> 01:09:29.710
there's that storytelling part of it,

01:09:29.770 --> 01:09:31.510
which is just a game.

01:09:32.510 --> 01:09:35.210
But Dungeons and Dragons...

01:09:35.210 --> 01:09:38.010
Sorry, maybe I'm not explaining that very well.

01:09:39.470 --> 01:09:41.490
There are games where you tell stories.

01:09:41.490 --> 01:09:42.950
Like, there's a game called Diplomacy

01:09:42.950 --> 01:09:45.230
where you interact with other people

01:09:45.230 --> 01:09:47.670
to establish boundaries and set things up.

01:09:47.670 --> 01:09:48.890
This is a Dungeon and Dragons game.

01:09:49.390 --> 01:09:52.250
Well, Diplomacy is a political game.

01:09:53.630 --> 01:09:54.190
That one's a lot of fun,

01:09:54.230 --> 01:09:55.110
but it's the same sort of thing.

01:09:55.270 --> 01:09:57.290
You're taking on the persona of a country leader

01:09:57.290 --> 01:10:00.410
and you're trying to negotiate with other players and characters.

01:10:01.310 --> 01:10:03.670
But Dungeons and Dragons is wrapped up

01:10:03.670 --> 01:10:07.470
very much in J. R. O. Tokens world

01:10:07.470 --> 01:10:10.450
in the Hobbit Elves.

01:10:11.210 --> 01:10:12.010
Demonic stuff.

01:10:12.730 --> 01:10:16.130
Yeah, it gets into the trolls and the goblins

01:10:16.130 --> 01:10:18.890
and the things of darkness, right?

01:10:19.090 --> 01:10:21.210
Werewolves and all that sort of stuff.

01:10:22.290 --> 01:10:24.670
So I want to differentiate between

01:10:24.670 --> 01:10:27.750
there's types of games where you can play

01:10:27.750 --> 01:10:30.010
role-playing kind of things,

01:10:30.250 --> 01:10:31.610
and then there's Dungeons and Dragons.

01:10:32.670 --> 01:10:33.850
Dungeons and Dragons,

01:10:34.810 --> 01:10:36.690
I don't believe you can play it

01:10:36.690 --> 01:10:39.590
for any length of time without going really quickly

01:10:39.590 --> 01:10:42.810
over into that dark side of things,

01:10:43.150 --> 01:10:44.750
the more demonic side of things.

01:10:45.590 --> 01:10:48.690
So, yeah, the movie...

01:10:48.690 --> 01:10:51.210
So that went through my mind

01:10:51.210 --> 01:10:54.070
because I knew that you had to get free of what

01:10:54.630 --> 01:10:56.310
grabbed you when you were in that.

01:10:57.370 --> 01:11:01.130
And the new movie is all fun and games,

01:11:01.250 --> 01:11:04.110
but it's still based on the same principles.

01:11:04.110 --> 01:11:04.650
Yes.

01:11:06.970 --> 01:11:09.230
And I'm just going to talk to you from sense

01:11:09.230 --> 01:11:09.670
and reasoning.

01:11:10.850 --> 01:11:13.650
What's the difference between this and Avengers?

01:11:14.650 --> 01:11:17.270
Avengers is a bunch of guys dressed up

01:11:17.270 --> 01:11:20.230
in costumes playing with things

01:11:20.230 --> 01:11:22.390
that they don't...

01:11:22.390 --> 01:11:23.430
that aren't their real lives.

01:11:25.730 --> 01:11:28.370
Oh, but wait, some of them play wizards

01:11:28.370 --> 01:11:31.050
and demonic entities

01:11:31.050 --> 01:11:33.870
and witches and werewolves

01:11:33.870 --> 01:11:35.810
and shapeshifters and vampires

01:11:35.810 --> 01:11:37.270
and all this sort of stuff.

01:11:37.630 --> 01:11:40.030
So, all that stuff kind of...

01:11:40.030 --> 01:11:41.290
It's acting, right?

01:11:41.530 --> 01:11:44.510
Anybody making a movie is pretending to be somebody else.

01:11:45.430 --> 01:11:47.170
But who are you pretending to be?

01:11:47.390 --> 01:11:49.550
Now, in the Dungeons and Dragons movie,

01:11:50.510 --> 01:11:53.910
at this point, there's that old nature

01:11:53.910 --> 01:11:56.550
part of me that still remembers that

01:11:56.550 --> 01:11:58.110
that says, I want to go see that.

01:11:58.110 --> 01:12:00.570
But I'm not going to.

01:12:00.870 --> 01:12:04.950
Because I don't need to go see that.

01:12:05.270 --> 01:12:06.750
I'm curious about it,

01:12:06.750 --> 01:12:09.530
but it's kind of like the can of water.

01:12:10.910 --> 01:12:11.950
It's like...

01:12:11.950 --> 01:12:13.890
Maybe if you didn't know what it was about

01:12:13.890 --> 01:12:14.770
and you open it,

01:12:16.230 --> 01:12:17.810
somebody gives it to you,

01:12:18.030 --> 01:12:19.230
you're more innocent,

01:12:19.370 --> 01:12:21.190
but if you know it's been prayed over,

01:12:21.530 --> 01:12:22.990
why would you want to go

01:12:22.990 --> 01:12:25.770
and walk as close to that edge as you can

01:12:25.770 --> 01:12:27.650
and say, I'm probably going to be okay right here,

01:12:27.690 --> 01:12:28.510
right on the edge of this cliff.

01:12:28.530 --> 01:12:30.570
It should be good as far as my thinking is concerned.

01:12:31.070 --> 01:12:32.950
So now you've got the movie

01:12:32.950 --> 01:12:34.950
and you've still very actively got

01:12:34.950 --> 01:12:36.430
the Dungeons and Dragons games

01:12:36.430 --> 01:12:38.770
in video form and so forth in society.

01:12:40.510 --> 01:12:41.650
Do you think

01:12:41.650 --> 01:12:42.990
there's any threat

01:12:42.990 --> 01:12:44.130
to people

01:12:46.430 --> 01:12:47.270
picking up

01:12:47.270 --> 01:12:49.350
bad stuff if they get into

01:12:49.350 --> 01:12:51.890
Dungeons and Dragons games in society now?

01:12:52.730 --> 01:12:53.570
Oh, I really

01:12:53.570 --> 01:12:55.470
don't want there to be, but yeah.

01:12:57.090 --> 01:12:58.410
My experience is

01:12:58.410 --> 01:12:59.730
you cannot...

01:13:01.310 --> 01:13:02.410
a Ouija board

01:13:02.410 --> 01:13:04.470
is just a piece of wood with a couple of things.

01:13:04.830 --> 01:13:04.850
Bingo.

01:13:05.750 --> 01:13:06.230
Bingo.

01:13:06.970 --> 01:13:09.010
A pad is just connected

01:13:09.010 --> 01:13:11.770
via wireless

01:13:12.450 --> 01:13:13.410
signals to

01:13:13.410 --> 01:13:14.150
a server.

01:13:14.830 --> 01:13:16.550
And Dungeons and Dragons is just this game

01:13:16.550 --> 01:13:17.970
where you pretend to be somebody else.

01:13:18.110 --> 01:13:20.910
And that's just a movie that shows on a screen.

01:13:21.570 --> 01:13:22.410
It's not

01:13:22.410 --> 01:13:25.010
the wood in the Ouija board that's

01:13:25.010 --> 01:13:27.210
the problem. It's coming into agreement

01:13:27.210 --> 01:13:28.410
with what it's about.

01:13:29.130 --> 01:13:31.010
That's the problem. That's the problem

01:13:31.010 --> 01:13:32.510
with playing things on this.

01:13:32.930 --> 01:13:35.070
That's the problem with going to see the movie.

01:13:35.790 --> 01:13:36.910
If you come into

01:13:36.910 --> 01:13:38.770
agreement, wow, that was a cool

01:13:38.770 --> 01:13:40.750
movie, Kevin. That was

01:13:40.750 --> 01:13:43.130
awesome. Man, I had...

01:13:43.130 --> 01:13:44.730
See, now you're in agreement with

01:13:44.730 --> 01:13:46.570
everything it's portraying,

01:13:46.570 --> 01:13:48.410
which that's what opens you up.

01:13:49.850 --> 01:13:50.370
Cool.

01:13:51.350 --> 01:13:52.150
And I'm

01:13:52.150 --> 01:13:54.050
curious, I brought up Avengers.

01:13:54.710 --> 01:13:55.830
I have these same questions.

01:13:56.730 --> 01:13:58.270
Okay, I can go see a Spider-Man movie,

01:13:59.090 --> 01:13:59.970
science fiction,

01:14:00.470 --> 01:14:02.010
whatever. Okay.

01:14:03.090 --> 01:14:04.370
And I feel okay with that.

01:14:05.030 --> 01:14:05.870
Whether I'm

01:14:06.410 --> 01:14:08.350
healthy in that, I don't know, but I feel

01:14:08.350 --> 01:14:10.310
okay with that. But Dr. Strange...

01:14:10.310 --> 01:14:12.290
See, Dr. Strange started

01:14:12.290 --> 01:14:14.590
crossing over into spiritual stuff.

01:14:14.890 --> 01:14:16.830
Like Dungeons and Dragons

01:14:16.830 --> 01:14:18.670
crosses over into spiritual stuff.

01:14:19.310 --> 01:14:20.890
Superman puts on his cape

01:14:20.890 --> 01:14:22.990
and pretends to fly through the air

01:14:22.990 --> 01:14:24.890
and sometimes you see the strings holding him.

01:14:26.310 --> 01:14:27.190
Yeah, not so

01:14:27.190 --> 01:14:27.630
spiritual.

01:14:29.110 --> 01:14:30.670
Science fiction kind of stuff.

01:14:31.370 --> 01:14:32.990
But yeah, we have to make that

01:14:32.990 --> 01:14:34.750
division and figure it out inside ourselves.

01:14:34.850 --> 01:14:37.050
But thank you for talking with us about

01:14:37.050 --> 01:14:38.730
that because I knew that that would

01:14:40.530 --> 01:14:41.970
enlighten some things for us.

01:14:42.610 --> 01:14:43.070
So yeah,

01:14:43.510 --> 01:14:45.010
to say, to kind of sum up

01:14:45.010 --> 01:14:46.830
what he just said, his question was

01:14:46.830 --> 01:14:48.330
can you grab something through

01:14:48.770 --> 01:14:50.650
just a digital device? I mean, you're not...

01:14:50.650 --> 01:14:52.030
it's not anything really material.

01:14:52.910 --> 01:14:54.710
It's not the tarot

01:14:54.710 --> 01:14:56.550
cards, the paper

01:14:56.550 --> 01:14:58.830
and the ink on the cards, that's the

01:14:58.830 --> 01:14:59.330
problem.

01:15:00.510 --> 01:15:02.610
It's what the agreeing

01:15:02.610 --> 01:15:04.790
and aligning yourself with what the

01:15:04.790 --> 01:15:06.210
cards stand for

01:15:07.130 --> 01:15:08.790
becomes the problem. And you

01:15:08.790 --> 01:15:10.570
can do that through a digital device too.

01:15:11.630 --> 01:15:12.970
Okay, we got one back there and we'll

01:15:12.970 --> 01:15:14.750
come up here. I guess as far as going to any

01:15:14.750 --> 01:15:16.350
movie, my always question is

01:15:16.350 --> 01:15:18.810
does this glorify God? Does it bring me closer

01:15:18.810 --> 01:15:20.170
to God or further from God?

01:15:21.210 --> 01:15:22.270
And that you have to ask yourself

01:15:22.270 --> 01:15:24.970
and depending upon the person,

01:15:25.550 --> 01:15:26.690
different people will have

01:15:26.690 --> 01:15:27.770
different answers to that.

01:15:29.350 --> 01:15:30.730
So again, we don't want to get into

01:15:30.730 --> 01:15:32.810
legalism to where it's like, well, you can

01:15:32.810 --> 01:15:34.470
only... we'll start listing

01:15:34.470 --> 01:15:36.810
the movies on Sunday that people can go

01:15:36.810 --> 01:15:38.130
to and the other ones they can't.

01:15:39.070 --> 01:15:41.110
No, this is between you and God

01:15:41.110 --> 01:15:42.830
and you got to follow your spirit. And

01:15:42.830 --> 01:15:44.850
different people will feel differently about

01:15:44.850 --> 01:15:47.030
different things between them and God.

01:15:47.190 --> 01:15:48.730
They're going to answer for themselves. So

01:15:48.730 --> 01:15:49.970
that's where I leave it.

01:15:50.470 --> 01:15:52.870
When you were talking about the contract

01:15:52.870 --> 01:15:54.370
that's made, I was thinking

01:15:55.070 --> 01:15:57.370
it's almost maybe not the same,

01:15:57.550 --> 01:15:58.970
obviously, but like the covenant

01:15:58.970 --> 01:16:01.330
that we have, that covenant.

01:16:02.130 --> 01:16:03.270
And I know

01:16:03.270 --> 01:16:04.710
that there are people who have

01:16:04.710 --> 01:16:06.970
sold their souls to the devil. They have

01:16:06.970 --> 01:16:08.010
made contracts.

01:16:08.010 --> 01:16:10.010
And if they even...

01:16:10.590 --> 01:16:12.010
they had to have one of their

01:16:12.010 --> 01:16:13.350
family members killed

01:16:13.830 --> 01:16:15.730
as an offering to seal that.

01:16:16.010 --> 01:16:17.630
Penny Pond, how deep they went in, yeah?

01:16:17.650 --> 01:16:19.830
Yeah, a lot of them. I mean, there's ones

01:16:19.830 --> 01:16:22.070
that you know that that's

01:16:22.070 --> 01:16:23.990
family member. So

01:16:23.990 --> 01:16:24.970
to me

01:16:27.630 --> 01:16:28.190
it's

01:16:28.190 --> 01:16:30.230
never impossible with God.

01:16:30.450 --> 01:16:31.970
I mean, if... because we've heard

01:16:31.970 --> 01:16:34.110
of many who come out,

01:16:34.850 --> 01:16:35.910
I know one

01:16:35.910 --> 01:16:37.470
who was the witch who switched.

01:16:38.430 --> 01:16:39.970
And I mean, her testimony

01:16:39.970 --> 01:16:41.330
was wonderful.

01:16:41.730 --> 01:16:43.090
And God has used her greatly.

01:16:44.050 --> 01:16:45.410
But those contracts

01:16:45.410 --> 01:16:47.490
are so powerful.

01:16:47.870 --> 01:16:49.170
And you know, people don't realize

01:16:50.750 --> 01:16:51.730
that they've

01:16:51.730 --> 01:16:52.690
entered into this.

01:16:53.270 --> 01:16:55.830
You can't dance with any of that stuff.

01:16:56.430 --> 01:16:57.750
It's just... it's...

01:16:57.750 --> 01:16:59.890
It'll burn you. And you know, that's one

01:16:59.890 --> 01:17:01.230
of the reasons, I mean,

01:17:01.810 --> 01:17:03.250
that gangs are so powerful.

01:17:03.250 --> 01:17:04.990
Because so many of these

01:17:04.990 --> 01:17:06.790
reach out to people, whether they're famous

01:17:06.790 --> 01:17:08.270
or not.

01:17:09.990 --> 01:17:10.970
And fill a need.

01:17:11.650 --> 01:17:12.770
And that's why

01:17:13.610 --> 01:17:15.170
I think the harvest is

01:17:15.170 --> 01:17:16.850
right for the Lord right now, too.

01:17:17.330 --> 01:17:18.910
Because this is so...

01:17:18.910 --> 01:17:20.390
Yeah, so pertinent.

01:17:20.910 --> 01:17:22.270
We do have a, you know,

01:17:22.390 --> 01:17:24.250
a form of a contract

01:17:24.250 --> 01:17:26.710
with Heaven, our God.

01:17:28.310 --> 01:17:29.590
The thing that

01:17:29.590 --> 01:17:31.070
if you go to Revelation 20

01:17:31.070 --> 01:17:32.670
and you go to the White Throne Judgment

01:17:32.670 --> 01:17:34.550
that describes somewhat of how this works,

01:17:35.290 --> 01:17:36.650
the one thing

01:17:37.090 --> 01:17:38.530
that God looks for

01:17:39.630 --> 01:17:40.570
when he judges

01:17:42.150 --> 01:17:43.450
is, is our name

01:17:43.450 --> 01:17:45.110
in the book of life.

01:17:46.230 --> 01:17:47.570
If our name's in there,

01:17:47.850 --> 01:17:48.230
we're in.

01:17:48.930 --> 01:17:50.150
Now, our works are going to be judged,

01:17:50.330 --> 01:17:52.250
wood, hay, stubble, gold, silver, precious stones,

01:17:52.430 --> 01:17:53.930
you know, our rewards, so forth.

01:17:55.830 --> 01:17:56.270
The...

01:17:56.870 --> 01:17:58.790
The bottom line is

01:17:59.790 --> 01:18:00.690
did you

01:18:01.210 --> 01:18:02.390
agree with the kingdom

01:18:02.390 --> 01:18:04.490
and get your name in the book

01:18:04.490 --> 01:18:05.970
or get your name in the contract?

01:18:06.570 --> 01:18:08.210
So it is a form of that.

01:18:08.750 --> 01:18:10.270
The other, the other side

01:18:10.590 --> 01:18:11.730
just imitates that.

01:18:13.030 --> 01:18:14.790
You know, it's

01:18:14.790 --> 01:18:16.450
it's kind of simple.

01:18:17.390 --> 01:18:18.830
I know one person

01:18:21.230 --> 01:18:22.190
who was it?

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I don't think it was Jesse DePlanis. Somebody

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had a Heaven experience.

01:18:26.830 --> 01:18:28.210
He had one, but I

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read so many. I love the Heaven

01:18:29.850 --> 01:18:31.430
experiences. I read all kinds of books.

01:18:33.030 --> 01:18:33.470
Ready?

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I don't know who the person was,

01:18:35.790 --> 01:18:36.950
but they were there

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watching when

01:18:39.690 --> 01:18:41.930
someone was being judged.

01:18:43.450 --> 01:18:44.310
You know, we tend

01:18:44.310 --> 01:18:46.250
I think some of our theology,

01:18:46.390 --> 01:18:47.850
we don't have it quite right.

01:18:48.430 --> 01:18:49.830
Really makes no difference, but

01:18:49.830 --> 01:18:51.710
you know, my... I grew up thinking

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there is a day set for judgment

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and we all have to wait until

01:18:55.650 --> 01:18:57.850
that day comes. Well, the white throne judgment

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is that way, but the

01:18:59.350 --> 01:19:01.030
Bayma judgment, 1 Corinthians 5,

01:19:01.310 --> 01:19:02.850
the judging of the saints,

01:19:03.850 --> 01:19:05.490
there's no place that really says

01:19:05.490 --> 01:19:07.270
there's a day where that happens

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and

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through different things I've seen and experienced

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and like for instance, the story I

01:19:13.650 --> 01:19:14.530
shared about Tammy

01:19:15.070 --> 01:19:16.130
the other morning

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and her getting her reward.

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We'll see she went through judgment.

01:19:22.270 --> 01:19:23.850
She died and immediately

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she walked through judgment

01:19:25.210 --> 01:19:26.790
and got her reward and everything

01:19:26.790 --> 01:19:29.330
and she's set now for eternity.

01:19:29.710 --> 01:19:30.750
You know, so it's

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I'm starting to come more to the side

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of for Christians, their judgment

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is immediate. They don't have to wait.

01:19:37.130 --> 01:19:38.410
Their reward is immediate

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because you can't reward someone

01:19:40.890 --> 01:19:42.370
unless they've gone through the judgment

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and like for instance,

01:19:45.430 --> 01:19:47.130
another story. So

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these accumulate after a while

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the guy who mentored me in deliverance

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the night he died

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the person that

01:19:56.990 --> 01:19:59.250
was caretaking him called me

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it was like 11, 11.30 at night

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they called and said

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he just passed away, just wanted you to know

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he wanted you to do the funeral

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he told us that. So

01:20:09.290 --> 01:20:10.710
just giving you a heads up

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will give you more information but just

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wanted you to know he just passed away.

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So that was kind of a shock to me.

01:20:16.490 --> 01:20:18.550
So I go back to bed and I'm laying there

01:20:19.070 --> 01:20:20.470
kind of in the dark, staring

01:20:20.470 --> 01:20:22.350
at the ceiling going

01:20:22.350 --> 01:20:24.490
wow, that's

01:20:24.490 --> 01:20:26.650
that's different. You know, never thought of

01:20:26.650 --> 01:20:28.410
that. I won't be able to call him anymore and ask him

01:20:28.410 --> 01:20:30.270
questions or this that and the other

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and boom, everything opened up

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and I had an open vision

01:20:34.630 --> 01:20:36.050
and I saw him

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sitting on

01:20:38.130 --> 01:20:40.450
a throne. All I saw was just

01:20:40.450 --> 01:20:42.430
a piece of a picture. He was

01:20:42.430 --> 01:20:44.290
sitting on a large throne

01:20:44.290 --> 01:20:46.190
and I was seeing him as he was facing

01:20:46.190 --> 01:20:48.230
this way. I was seeing him from this side

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and he was sitting on

01:20:50.250 --> 01:20:51.890
this large throne. He had

01:20:51.890 --> 01:20:52.750
a

01:20:56.350 --> 01:20:57.890
for anything better to compare

01:20:57.890 --> 01:20:59.950
it to. He had a pulp's hat

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you know the hat the pulp wears

01:21:01.350 --> 01:21:03.970
official hat. He had that on

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and he

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had this most gorgeous

01:21:07.650 --> 01:21:08.810
purple robe

01:21:08.810 --> 01:21:10.850
he was wearing. He was sitting

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and he was he had a long

01:21:13.630 --> 01:21:15.610
walking stick that as he was

01:21:15.610 --> 01:21:17.230
sitting it was kind of like chest height

01:21:17.230 --> 01:21:19.710
with a huge white knob

01:21:19.710 --> 01:21:21.250
on the top of it, perfect white

01:21:21.250 --> 01:21:23.630
and he was sitting there looking this

01:21:23.630 --> 01:21:25.770
way and evidently

01:21:25.770 --> 01:21:27.610
he knew that I was in a vision

01:21:27.610 --> 01:21:29.530
and I was seeing him and somehow he knew

01:21:29.530 --> 01:21:31.750
that and he started he didn't look at me

01:21:31.750 --> 01:21:33.710
he just talked forward but he knew

01:21:33.710 --> 01:21:34.450
I could hear him

01:21:36.130 --> 01:21:36.610
and

01:21:37.410 --> 01:21:39.430
as he looked forward and he knew I was

01:21:39.430 --> 01:21:40.810
I could hear him

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he took his hand off

01:21:42.790 --> 01:21:44.750
the walking stick and started

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gesturing with his hands as he's talking

01:21:46.990 --> 01:21:48.750
forward and the first thought went through

01:21:48.750 --> 01:21:50.790
my mind is you better grab it it's going to fall over

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you know natural

01:21:52.810 --> 01:21:54.970
mind. That thing just stood

01:21:54.970 --> 01:21:56.890
out of tension there nothing touching it

01:21:56.890 --> 01:21:58.930
and he was talking to me saying

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some things to me and then he grabbed

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the walking stick and he stood up

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and he let it go again

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and

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he raised his hands

01:22:08.370 --> 01:22:09.970
and he said

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the rewards are

01:22:12.430 --> 01:22:13.050
beyond

01:22:14.390 --> 01:22:14.950
imagination

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don't

01:22:18.290 --> 01:22:20.150
ever back away

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and

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it went closed and that was the end of it

01:22:24.830 --> 01:22:26.530
well he already had

01:22:26.530 --> 01:22:28.130
his reward he had just died

01:22:28.130 --> 01:22:30.350
you know half an hour our previous

01:22:30.350 --> 01:22:32.470
he already had his reward he was

01:22:32.470 --> 01:22:34.310
already clothed in part of his

01:22:34.310 --> 01:22:36.030
reward he was

01:22:36.030 --> 01:22:40.270
He was clothed like a reigning king or something. I don't know.

01:22:42.850 --> 01:22:47.510
So these little experiences, you put them on the shelf like Mary pondered in her heart

01:22:47.510 --> 01:22:50.510
when angels came and said things to her about the baby.

01:22:51.190 --> 01:22:54.090
It says she pondered in her heart. You kind of just put them on the shelf and go,

01:22:55.330 --> 01:23:01.290
that's different. And after a while, you start seeing a pattern. Well, there's one guy that I

01:23:01.290 --> 01:23:08.510
read. He went to, he died, he went to heaven. And in this particular case, it was a person he knew

01:23:09.410 --> 01:23:16.350
he was watching them go to judgment. And the angels were with the books and books were opened.

01:23:16.550 --> 01:23:21.650
And then this huge book was open. And he said, as they opened it, I could see on it, it said

01:23:21.650 --> 01:23:26.730
book of life. And they opened it and Jesus was sitting on the throne. And he said,

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are they written in the book? That was the first thing he wanted to know.

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Are they written in the book? And he said, they literally flipped the pages.

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Yep, right here, gave the date, gave the place, they made Jesus their savior, gave the time,

01:23:45.090 --> 01:23:53.210
date, place, time. This is when it happened. Their name is in. And the guy watching who came

01:23:53.210 --> 01:23:59.650
back to earth and wrote this, the guy watching said, you could, he said, I never, and this

01:23:59.650 --> 01:24:06.870
too, it kind of messes with you like, really? He said the look of relief on Jesus face when

01:24:06.870 --> 01:24:13.430
they said his names here. It was like, now I know that I know, we're good.

01:24:15.850 --> 01:24:21.190
So it's like, all these little tidbits of information come along and you start making

01:24:21.190 --> 01:24:31.150
a picture and going, huh, isn't that interesting? But I don't know how we got on that. You said

01:24:31.150 --> 01:24:37.050
something and we got, we got, took the tourist route, evidently, get to the point.

01:24:37.750 --> 01:24:40.910
Anyway, anybody else have any questions or anything? Are we good for the night?

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We got one on the back. We're getting close to the end.

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So recently, a friend of mine, whose brother died, said something to this effect.

01:24:58.250 --> 01:25:02.490
Well, we're going to have some jewelry with their ashes in it. I'm like, what?

01:25:03.650 --> 01:25:06.930
Oh, there's stuff to hang around the neck and stuff. Yeah. Have you heard of that?

01:25:07.010 --> 01:25:10.790
Yeah, I have. Okay. Just curious. Any comments on that?

01:25:10.790 --> 01:25:21.590
Yeah. Why? You know, good. Before I give my why, what they're, what's going on now is I guess they

01:25:21.590 --> 01:25:26.710
get like pendants and stuff that when someone gets cremated, they take part of the ashes and

01:25:26.710 --> 01:25:32.530
put them in the pendant and then either in the pendant or something. Guys can, you know,

01:25:32.830 --> 01:25:36.370
have things too. And that way they have a piece of the person with them forever

01:25:36.370 --> 01:25:41.670
is the comment. You know, I never lost them. They're with me. And the first question goes

01:25:41.670 --> 01:25:48.830
through my mind is why? Why? Why? Why are we doing this? Because what you have in that pendant

01:25:48.830 --> 01:25:55.970
wasn't them. You know, it's the leftover of the dirt they lived in, but they're not in it

01:25:55.970 --> 01:26:02.710
anymore. They left. So you're actually not carrying them with you. You're carrying dirt.

01:26:02.710 --> 01:26:07.170
And you could have scraped them off the floor any place and put it in there and it'd be as good

01:26:07.170 --> 01:26:10.890
a representation because they're not with you. They're not in that dirt. They never did that.

01:26:11.050 --> 01:26:16.530
They left the dirt. So my question is why? Why? Well, I'm trying to be close to them.

01:26:17.850 --> 01:26:23.290
That ain't going to work. Yeah, just, you know, thinking in an analogy, just like,

01:26:23.370 --> 01:26:27.770
would you carry around a bunch of people's clip toenails in your little jewelry because

01:26:27.770 --> 01:26:31.890
it's the same thing. Yeah, same thing. Interesting. Okay. Thank you.

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Now I will say this as a side thought off of that. If you go into the scriptural picture of what

01:26:42.250 --> 01:26:49.910
happens when somebody dies, what is the godly picture starting from the beginning? What is

01:26:49.910 --> 01:26:56.450
the godly picture? You got to look at the Jews and how they handle funerals and what did

01:26:56.450 --> 01:27:03.610
God do with Moses body and on and on and on. The scriptural godly side is when a person dies,

01:27:03.790 --> 01:27:08.950
you bury him and you let their body go back to dust and it's the end of it. God buried Moses,

01:27:09.170 --> 01:27:15.310
he didn't keep a finger, whatever. It was the end of it. Okay. Now, if you go into the

01:27:15.310 --> 01:27:23.450
Satan worship side, they will keep, and then you've heard of grave robbing,

01:27:25.070 --> 01:27:36.870
they will keep parts of people's bodies to cast spells with. They do. And when my mentor passed

01:27:36.870 --> 01:27:48.530
away, one of his instructions was an unmarked grave because he was so hated by the Satan worshipers

01:27:49.130 --> 01:27:56.210
that he had been threatened when you die, we're going to dig up parts of your body and we're

01:27:56.210 --> 01:28:01.270
going to use the very thing that you lived in for glorifying your god. We're going to use

01:28:01.270 --> 01:28:06.230
it to glorify our god. We're going to use your fingers and your hands and whatever we want

01:28:06.230 --> 01:28:15.130
to cast spells. So he had very specific instructions in how he was buried.

01:28:16.670 --> 01:28:24.330
You know, a lot of times they have the vault. You've got the coffin and it goes into a cement

01:28:24.330 --> 01:28:30.030
vault and it's a big square cement box and then a lid comes on it from the top. He said,

01:28:30.090 --> 01:28:35.170
oh no, we're not doing that. He said, that's too easy to lift that lid off and get to me.

01:28:35.790 --> 01:28:43.450
I don't want anybody touching my body. He demanded the vault be like the upside down bathtub

01:28:44.450 --> 01:28:52.730
to where you've got the cement slab coffin sets on it and the upside down bathtub comes over it.

01:28:52.890 --> 01:28:58.130
He says, those are so heavy you have to have a crane to lift them. So unless they're willing to

01:28:58.130 --> 01:29:02.750
bring a crane into the graveyard in the middle of the night, they're not getting to me. So he

01:29:02.750 --> 01:29:07.650
had some very specific instructions because he didn't want his body parts being used for evil.

01:29:07.990 --> 01:29:15.650
Okay, so now take that to, well, we've got grandma sitting on the shelf. That's her urn. Why?

01:29:17.470 --> 01:29:29.030
Well, I've got my dad in my pendant. Why? It's to me, it doesn't represent

01:29:29.030 --> 01:29:36.770
God's side as much as it leans towards the other side. It's like, yeah, that's creepy. That's messed

01:29:36.770 --> 01:29:44.510
up. That's, let them go. Your comfort's in the Holy Spirit, not in them. And move on and get rid

01:29:44.510 --> 01:29:50.890
of the fingers, get rid of the toes, get, you know, just get rid of it. You don't need it.

01:29:52.730 --> 01:29:56.330
That's my thoughts on it. Everybody can have their own opinion. There's mine.