I am not a big believer in...
I can, you know, I just feel you have a spirit of.
And I start making pronouncements over you of what I feel the Holy Spirit's telling me about you.
I am not a believer in that.
Say why?
Because I've watched so many people get hurt.
I think you've got a spirit of...
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And you know, they're there trying to get prayer.
They're trying to get free.
And you've got these different things.
Oh, well, look at there.
Do not touch her.
That's the first thing we don't want to do is touch her.
Okay, can you control yourself?
Okay, in the name of Jesus, let her go back down.
Now, in Jesus' name, I want to talk to Abby.
Now!
Okay, then I'll cast you off this way.
In the name of Jesus, I find you and your kingdom through the blood of Jesus Christ.
I cut you off from any generational power you would have.
And as the spirit sees, knows, and numbers, he drives you out.
By the word of my mouth, in the name of Jesus, go!
Go!
Now, entire kingdom, I said, now, you have no choice.
No!
In Jesus' name, you have no choice.
Okay, Abby, fight from the inside.
Command it to go.
There's so much rage.
I know.
Command it to go.
Command it to go.
Abby, command it to go.
Say it.
I submit myself.
You can do it.
Say it.
I submit myself.
Abby, say it.
I submit myself.
Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Submit myself.
Release her.
Let her say it.
I submit myself.
Come on, Abby, you can do it.
I need your words.
I submit myself.
In Jesus' name, release her.
You have no authority or right.
I cut it off.
Release her.
Okay.
Okay.
Now, follow me.
In Jesus' name.
Okay.
You can do it.
In Jesus' name.
In Jesus' name.
I submit myself.
I submit myself.
To my Heavenly Father.
To my Father.
And whatever this is.
Whatever this is.
As the Holy Spirit sees nose and numbers.
No, she's going to say it.
Get down.
Release her.
Release her.
She's going to say it.
So, Abby, say it.
As the Holy Spirit.
Okay.
Okay.
As the Holy Spirit.
As the Holy Spirit.
Sees nose and numbers.
Sees nose and numbers.
Everything in this.
Everything that's manifesting.
Everything that's manifesting.
Or is attached to it.
Or is attached to it.
Directly or indirectly.
Directly or indirectly.
I command it to go.
I command it to go.
Okay, so now this is a spirit of unforgiveness.
And it's livid.
It's angry.
I need to talk to Abby.
Let her go.
You will leave her.
And we can do it the easy way or the hard way.
Abby.
Somehow it's tied to unforgiveness.
If there's anyone or anything you need to forgive any situation.
Now it's time to do it.
So, we can talk about it later.
But to get rid of the spirit you're going to have to forgive.
And it's the right thing to do.
And we'll talk through it later.
Just forgive them.
Just say it.
I forgive them.
Come on, you can do it.
Or you'll live with this thing. You want that?
No.
Then forgive them.
We'll talk through the details later.
But you got to forgive them. This is tied to unforgiveness.
And you don't have to name them.
It's nobody else's business.
Just...
I send it away.
I pardon him.
Say something in that realm.
I send him away and I pardon him.
No further punishment.
It's between you and him, God.
Between you and him, God.
I release him.
I release him.
To you.
To you.
Whatever you want.
Whatever you want.
I'm good with.
I trust you.
I trust you.
Okay?
Okay.
Now look at me.
Okay.
In the name of Jesus, you're done now.
You will leave the entire kingdom.
Everything involves all the kingdoms tied together.
You will leave.
You've got no reason to stay at this point.
Off to the pit.
Or be reconciled.
But in Jesus' name now, go.
Okay? Take a couple deep breaths.
Okay? Tell me what's happening in your head.
Calm down. Everything quiet.
Did it clear it up?
Yeah.
Your emotions were very strongly affected.
You calming down slowly.
Yeah.
Okay?
I'm sorry. That was awkward for you.
It's okay.
Apparently, God wanted this dealt with.
Yeah.
It started manifesting when we started talking about it earlier.
What were you talking about when it started manifesting?
What Sally brought up.
I don't even remember.
What Sally's like, let's go back to that thing.
And then all of a sudden it started happening again.
And then I was like, oh boy.
Okay.
Alright.
I'll just repeat that so the people on the line can hear.
She said, when Sally said, let's go back to that thing.
I don't remember what you said go back to.
Do you remember?
Oh, in the line.
Okay.
Yep.
She said that's when it started manifesting.
And she started losing control.
So there is a typical thing that can happen.
So let's talk about it a little bit.
Again, it can be very awkward for the person.
So we have to be understanding in this and not put on our
religious judgment face.
It was, as you saw, it was fighting to stay.
No, I'm not leaving.
No, no, no.
And a couple of times Abby was able to say it's so full of rage.
Well, she was feeling what it was feeling.
Okay.
But since it wasn't going, I inside was saying, Holy Spirit,
what is this?
Because just to get it out is not the answer.
Remember, it's there for a reason.
It's got access for a reason.
And that's what the Holy Spirit gave me.
It's a spirit of unforgiveness.
And now that you're more coherent, when I said that,
it freaked out, which to me is an evidence.
Yep, that's it.
Now it knows.
We got it.
What went through your mind, and you can just,
I'll just repeat it.
You don't have to use a mic.
When I said this spirit of unforgiveness,
you're going to have to forgive.
Did it just take control again?
What happened there?
Because it freaked out.
What was going on in you?
Got you.
So it was holding on to its grudge, so to speak.
Which, as it was holding on, it wanted to keep you holding on.
So now this is good because it gives me a chance
to instruct a little bit of aftercare.
Right now she needs assurance.
Reassurance.
We do not think less of you.
We do not think you're some high tech center.
We do not want you to be embarrassed or feel ashamed.
Because I could tell by the look on your face,
you were surprised as probably anybody here.
Once you came out of it, it's like,
okay, what just happened here?
You have nothing to feel bad about.
This is exactly what goes on with Christians,
and then they live a little further in the handout.
It talks about they live vexed or they live tormented.
With thoughts and feelings they can't get free of.
Because there's a spirit that got in.
So now obviously at some point in your past,
something happened that really hurt you.
Because here's the wound.
Remember we taught way back.
Demons sit on wounds and lies and hurts.
So some place in the past you got wounded,
you got lied to, you got hurt.
And at that time, you didn't handle it correctly.
Now that's all of us.
I mean, hello, none of us have done this right every time.
In your case, something took advantage of that and jumped in.
And probably has been growing,
trying to gain momentum ever since.
So I'm proud of you.
Because when I said,
Abby, I need you to start fighting with me from the inside.
You did that.
That is really helpful.
So you did well.
And when something comes up in a person like you,
you said it just came up and then took over.
So that means it had access to your brain.
It had mind control.
So as a result,
I'm presuming tonight was a divine appointment for you
to get free.
And it probably could feel,
because everything happens by the Holy Spirit.
He is the one who drives them out,
the finger of God, the spirit of God.
So as we talked,
the Holy Spirit started,
how would you say,
focusing in on this thing.
And it could feel it.
It's like, oh crap, here we go.
I'm going to get kicked out.
So as a result,
they will do everything they can to hold on
and not lose their body access.
So it did what it did.
Came up to control,
started screaming, started yelling.
It's going to hang on. It's not going to.
And see the...
You say, well, why would it come up and reveal itself?
Well, first of all, the spirit of God is driving it up.
So that it can't be overlooked.
It...
God wanted to dealt with tonight.
So let's just bring it up.
The reason it argues is
because it's doing everything it can to say,
I'm not going.
I'm not leaving.
And if we can believe that,
you know, if that goes on for five minutes,
which it can, can go on for longer than that sometimes.
If you start believing,
well, maybe we won't get this out.
Well, then you're done.
It has to leave.
Sometimes you need a little more handle on it
and it's always good to know why it's there.
So let's go back to
what I was talking about
when you started
going.
Okay.
I was saying, I am not a believer of
God is showing me this in your life.
And I think that you were abused as a child
and maybe an uncle did this
and da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
You can so mess people up.
And you might not be right.
You could be wrong.
And you're missing God.
But you're planting thoughts into them.
I just...
That we knew.
Okay.
There's a manifestation.
We got a critter here, needs to go.
There's no question.
But...
So I'm not a big fan of...
And again, hear me.
Some people God uses that way.
And it's not for me to judge or criticize.
But I do request they hone their craft
and get really good at it.
If that's the way God uses you,
make sure you're right in what you're hearing.
Or you're going to damage people.
Because God does use some people that way.
But I have had way too many of the backside of that
where people are coming to me tormented.
I can't sleep anymore.
Who would the uncle have been?
I was at an uncle's house.
I loved that uncle. I would spend nights there.
I'll bet it was him.
And now I've got these feelings. I hate him.
Why did I even like him?
And this, that, and the others.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
We have no proof this even happened.
Well, they were praying
and they felt God told them.
Yeah, and they might have missed it.
Because I'll tell you this.
The fruit of it in you right now is not good.
You're angry. You're starting to develop bitterness.
You're going to go into unforgiveness
because of something that may never have happened.
So I'm just not a fan of it.
So if, you know, anybody's watching by line
or online, and that's how it operates for you.
And it's God. And you know it's God.
Well, then it's not me to judge it.
All my request is just hone your craft.
If that's how God uses you,
you got to get it right.
You can't play with people's lives
thinking you're hearing God because
they will remember all the things that were said.
And it can be devastating to them.
So, all right.
That threw us off base a little bit.
Where we, it was a good distraction.
Anybody else have a question
or should we move on a bit?
Okay, let's move on.
Page 29. You feeling okay?
Your mind cleared up?
Adrenaline.
Oh, well, that's cool.
Yep.
Okay.
So for those of you online,
she said that she's starting to calm down
like an adrenaline thing going down.
But she feels tingly all over her body
like she's being ministered to.
So that's awesome. That's cool.
So you can recognize the difference
between the good feeling and the bad feeling.
So what you're feeling now is a good feeling.
Okay. Feels very weepy.
That can be part of, yeah, healing process.
Plus, you don't realize the release
in your temple that just took place.
Yeah.
Oh, wow. Good.
Okay.
It was interesting.
You were feeling it. It knew it was coming.
Yeah. Let's just say it that way.
You were feeling what it was feeling.
Oh, that was this morning?
Okay, so let me repeat a little bit for those online.
She's been going after this
in a self-deliverance method for a couple of weeks.
And today, this morning,
the Holy Spirit told her,
you need to look up some scriptures on unforgiveness.
And then during the day,
she just had this really strong emotion of sadness.
So the Holy Spirit was prepping for this
and getting her on board.
And what she was feeling was not her feelings.
She was feeling it.
It knew it's coming.
That's why the wailing didn't want to go.
You know, the verbal expression was
like, no.
No, I'm not going.
And one other thing I should mention.
So I started talking to her
and the Holy Spirit said,
it's going to try to get her up and out.
Then you're going to have to grab her.
And I said, I don't want to do that.
So that's when I grabbed her hand
because now I have control.
You know, more than just by my words,
now I have control and I move close.
So for you to stand up is going to be really difficult
because I'm right in front of you now.
Now you had the urge to run, didn't you?
Are you able to talk in a mic now and it's okay?
We'll get our mic runner back to you.
Don't turn the camera on her,
but she'll talk.
So the running part, the getting ready to leave.
Yeah, it was interesting you said that
because when I sat down and started talking,
I kept having kind of images in my head
of just like I could run and go hide and ignite.
I could go run and hide.
Literally it was like, go run and hide, go run and hide.
And then when, because you kind of conscious,
like you're there but then they're there.
And then I kept feeling this thing
and I was like, what is going on?
I'm like, I'm trying to leave or something.
And that's normal.
When they know their time's coming,
they will try to run.
They'll try to hide.
They'll try to get out of church.
And that's what the Holy Spirit said.
She's going to try to run,
or it's going to try to run in her body.
It's trying to get her out of here.
So that's when I grabbed your hand
and got right in front of you so you couldn't stand up.
Now, the reason I put my head to yours
was to comfort you.
So you wouldn't start freaking out going,
I've lost total control here.
That actually brought me more closer
because I think at that point,
then I was able to be like, it's so full of,
I don't know when all of that took place.
But it like helped me come to a space
where I was like, okay, I can be here.
Okay.
And that's what it was intended for.
Was to help you.
Because sometimes, you know,
I've never had the experience.
It's one of those I'm not wanting.
But I've never had the experience
where a demon comes up and takes control.
But from the people who've had it
that were willing to talk about it afterwards,
it is a horrifying feeling.
Because it's, I can't stop this.
I can't do anything.
Something has me.
One person explained it this way.
It's like I'm in my body,
but I've lost total connection to it.
It's just doing what it wants to do.
And somebody else is in charge.
And then, of course, you're feeling.
That's hard.
You're feeling what they're feeling
and the rage and the anger
and the emotion.
You felt all that.
It's how it works.
So I'm proud of you.
You did good.
And we got something in the rear view mirror now
that God wanted in the rear view mirror.
So that's good.
Good for you.