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Let's go to that next booklet. Page 29. We covered this part already. Recognizing when demons talk to us,

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we've covered 29 and 30, so I'm not going to take the time to go over that.

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Talks about characteristics of demons there from James 3. Makes it very plain that those

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kind of things are devilish. They're demonical. So we're talking here in this section now about

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recognizing when a demon is talking to you. Let her see at the bottom of page 30. For a person

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who recognizes it, it can feel like there's two voices over lines of thought going on inside of

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you at the same time. Could be two or more. So a person who recognizes it, you can tell that's

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going on inside of you. So now flip the page. Some very basic things here. It's like hearing

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two radio stations or more on the same frequency. Your thoughts, its thoughts, they're all going

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back and forth at the same time. Letter D. Demons will try to speak to us to motivate us, create

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feelings, emotions. They'll reason with us. They'll try to teach us how to train us how to think,

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how to see life, etc. In a manner where we actually start thinking it's us,

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how to reword that. But in reality, it's them. And we talked about Peter as an example. We've

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given different examples of that. Once you pay attention to it, you'll hear them speaking

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in all three voices. Now there's three voices. You probably all learned this in school when

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you speak in first person, second person or third person. First person is I or we. Second

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person is you. And third person is he, she, they, them. So first person is me. Second

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person is the person I'm talking to, you. And third person is the people we're,

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you know, down at the Capitol, they're doing this. That's third person. It's he, she, they,

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or them. It's they're out there. Once you pay attention to it, you'll hear them speaking

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in all three voices. As you grow in this, they will stop the second person most of the time

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because you're on to them. And I'll give you some examples of this. Like for instance,

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the one that was just shared, I am going to kill you, not trying to hide its identity,

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not trying to do anything because it knows it's, it's found out. So now it's who's

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going to win here. So it was speaking in that second person to her. The Holy Spirit

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always speaks in second person from my experience. He will speak to me like another person speaking to

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me about me or my life. He never conceals his speaking to me in I language to where I can't

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tell. Am I thinking this or is he saying this? Which is this? Because now the thought went

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through my mind, I should go up and lay hands on that person. He never does that. He will say,

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you need to go lay hands on that person. Because he is a different entity that never tries to

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disguise himself as us. Demons will. Once they know that you know, when they are trying

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to influence you or do something, they'll start using first person's speech the most.

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And you've got the three. So letter A at the bottom, first, second and third. First person's

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speech is I or we perspective. So once, if they don't know, if you don't know,

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they'll tell you, they'll, they'll talk in second person. You know what you should do?

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You should take that and put it in your person, see if you can get out of Walmart without paying

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for it. Huh? Think about that. And you don't realize it just used second person language.

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It said you should. So you should have stopped and said, who's talking to me?

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But you're not, you don't know yet. And a lot of people who do a lot of things under demonic

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influence will say, a voice in my head told me to do this. Well, that's a demon. And you're

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not educated enough yet to realize that when a voice goes through your head and says,

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you should jump off the bridge. We don't talk to ourselves that way. When we talk to ourselves,

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we would stand there and go, I wonder, maybe I should just end it and I should jump off the

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bridge. I'm talking to myself in here. Once it says, you should jump, that should be a clue.

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That wasn't me. So is that God or is that demonic? You know, it's just that quick, that simple.

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But most people don't know to even listen for that in their thoughts.

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Once it's talking to you like an outside separate individual, you have an outside,

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whether it's in you or not, but in your life, you have outside input coming in.

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Recognize that immediately. Now, once they know, you know,

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they'll stop the second voice. They'll stop doing the you thing.

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You know, you should just get out of the car and go over there and pound them.

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How dare they flip you off? You didn't do anything wrong.

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Who's talking to me? But once they know, you know, they're going to switch that into first person.

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I should go over there and just pound them.

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Yeah, I should. There is the key to discerning first person just because they say I doesn't

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mean it was you. When they make a statement and you find yourself agreeing with the statement,

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you've got another entity. I should just stay home this morning and lay in bed and sleep in.

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You know, that's a good idea. I think I'm going to stay home this morning and sleep in.

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I thought of it. No, you didn't. How do you know I didn't? Because you agreed with the

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idea. It didn't come from you. When you think it up, you don't have to agree with it.

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I want something to drink because I'm thirsty. That's a good idea. I should go. No, that was you.

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Talking to yourself, thinking to yourself. Yeah, I'm thirsty. I want to go get something to

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drink. And you just go get something to drink. Once you agree with a voice that says,

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you know, I should, and it makes you stop and go, you know, maybe I should do that. I need to think

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about that. Now you've entered into that second level of deception. The first level is most

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people get talked to like a different person. You need to do this. You should try that.

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You should stop this. And they don't realize it's demons talking to them.

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Once you realize that and go, oh, yeah, I can recognize that. Now you have to go for the

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first person voice because they're going to try to deceive you. I can't afford to give five

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dollars in the offering. Boy, you know what? That's the truth. So you didn't think it up,

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did you? But well, yeah, that's the truth because I got this to pay and I got that to pay and I got

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the original thought. Once you, once you, it goes through you and you go, that's a good thought.

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It came from a different source, demonic or Holy Spirit. You figure out which one it is.

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Now rule of thumb, Holy Spirit has never talked to me in eye language.

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See that person over there? They need gas. I should go over there and give him 25 bucks.

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He never says it that way. He will say, you need to go take care of that. It's always a

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different entity talking to me and I know it's the Holy Spirit. You need to get up in front

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and repent of your sin. That's how he'll say it. You can't keep living like this.

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What you're doing is wrong. He will never talk to you and I can't keep living like this

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because he's not going to try to deceive you or confuse you. Demons will.

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I can go out on Saturday night and do what I want. A lot of other Christians do.

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You know what? That's absolutely right. I could name a few of them right now.

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So now you're having a conversation with a demon that just planted a thought

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to get you thinking and you bit. That's how they talk to you.

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Rarely do they use the second person, the U language. They will go to the third person

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because we do that.

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So you're at Walmart and you're a teenager and you're walking down the aisle and somebody

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that you thought was your friend is walking with somebody else and they look back at you

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and they say some things and laugh and look back and walk away.

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The thought that's going to go through your mind is a third person thought.

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I wonder what they're talking about. What did they just say?

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I wonder what they think so funny. Do I have my shirt on inside out? What is this?

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We will talk to ourself about other people in third person language.

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So since we do it with ourself, demons will imitate that if they're trying to get you to

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to have wrong thoughts towards someone. So they'll use first person language and they'll use third

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person once you are aware second person. Once it's like some voice told me to do this.

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You need to... I think that was a demon. Once they know you know they will either work in first

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person or third person. First person is easy to reconcile because you find yourself agreeing

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with this fresh idea you just had. It's not like you thought it up. It went through you in

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eye language. You know I should just... I'm so tired of this diet. I should just sit down

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and eat the whole box of cookies. You know what? That's a good idea. We've been doing this

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long enough and you'll talk to yourself. Eye, we language. Well where did the first statement

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come from? Was that actually you? Or was that something feeding information in?

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Just as an example. The they-them thing, the way you recognize that scripturally

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every word is supposed to be for edification. What we say about other people is somehow

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supposed to help them and build them up. Once the thoughts are going through your mind

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and this one is the harder one to discern. This one I still will struggle with and I've

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been working on this for years knowing the principle. You know someone should tell them

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how they're acting is just not God. Was that me? Wasn't the Holy Spirit? Was that me?

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Or was that something whispering in my ear trying to drop a thought in, trying to kick me into action?

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And that could turn out badly. Then again it could turn out good. What do I do with that?

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So how do you resolve that? You got asked the Holy Spirit. Holy Spirit, was that you?

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Is that me? What's the outcome of that? Now anything that is not edifying to them,

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and sometimes we have to say difficult things to people and it is good for them.

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But that's kind of a rule, a thumb of you know you should just give them a piece of your

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mind. Well that one's pretty easy to know that that ain't God. I should just give them

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a piece of my mind. Well yeah see that's that's a demon trying to prod you into motion.

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They really need to get chewed out. Somebody needs to do them a favor and put them in their place.

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Okay now that one you're going to figure out. I know it's not the Holy Spirit because he

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would never say it that way. He just doesn't talk like that. So I can rule him out.

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But now is that my unsanctified me who's angry? Or is that demon talking to me?

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Well either one I shouldn't act on it. You know either one I shouldn't do it.

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But you you have to learn on that one and the thing that works the best for me is I'll ask

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the Holy Spirit and or I'll say I bind you get out of here I want nothing to do with you.

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And then I'll listen to my thoughts. Most of the time when you when you refute a demonic

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force they want to have the last word. So just listen. I'm not going to give them peace my mind.

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I think that's demonic. I bind you get out of here. First talk was through you idiot.

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What's a demon? Because they want the last word. Have you ever known people who want the last word?

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That's either unsanctified them or it's demonic.

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God have you ever noticed when you try to argue with God about something he you always get the last word?

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Have you ever noticed that? He won't he won't come down to the point where

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I'm going to get the last word in. He just goes quiet and people will say well I finally just told

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him and then I'll say what did he say totally quiet. Ah you got the last word didn't you?

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That is a sign. There's a problem here. It's either unsanctified or something else is going on.

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So the the the third person that they the them the he the she

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that one is takes a little bit more to figure out what's going on here.

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You know they look like they're troubled. I'm going to go over and pray for them.

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Is that me? Is that God? I don't think it was God because he used eye language.

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That was me thinking or that was a demon trying to get me to go do something that I better not

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do if it's a demon because it's going to cause more trouble in the long run. Well but I'm

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just going to go pray for them. They'll make no difference. That might not be what they

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need right now is you to come up and pray for them. They might be wanting to connect with

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God alone. There are some things we have to do with God alone. We get saved alone.

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We get baptized in the Holy Spirit alone.

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Many times we get healed alone. The stance we take on our own. We will be at judgment alone.

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It's not going to be a group of us all holding hands going okay tell us what we did.

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No, it's going to be you. You will answer for your life. There's a lot of things that we do alone

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and it's not a bad thing because we're not really alone. The Holy Spirit's there.

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You know there's two of us and we're in agreement so this is a good thing.

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But when thoughts like that go through our mind, well wouldn't it make sense that

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God wants us to pray for everybody? Yeah but here's go back to the same three questions.

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Okay? Why am I getting this information? Am I supposed to do something with this

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information? Physically get involved in a what am I supposed to do? He might have given you

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the information to pray for him from right where you're at and they're over there.

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Pray for him. Doesn't mean you're supposed to go to him. Don't presume you know the

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application of the information you got because in reality the information you got may not

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have even come from God. Test all things, Scripture says.

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So when you're trying to discern the voices, the third person one is the hardest.

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The first person, page 32, it's eye language. If it becomes we, and I've had that happen,

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we should go do this. We, who are we? I've never had the Holy Spirit said we should do this.

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He always gives direction, like a counselor. Once it's we, it's like who is we? I know me,

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who is we? Who's talking here? You can say that inwardly, you can say that with your

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mouth, but get the answer to that. And after you do that a few times you'll learn the responses.

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Well it's God the Lord. Okay, so God doesn't mind me testing him. Just to make sure I'm on,

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I totally trust him, but I don't trust me. So if we are going to do this, what's the point?

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And you just can't start questioning the thought and interact with it. It doesn't take long,

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they trip up. If it's demons, they'll just trip up. So don't be afraid to do that, to question that.

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So you got first, second and third person, we talked about it. Letter E realized they will

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manipulate us and influence us by making various feelings, thoughts and opinions seem like they

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are ours. That's their favorite trick. This is us feeling this way. And there's different

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things you'll learn that will separate that out. Fear, depression, hate, lust, fear, anger,

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got fearless the twice. Skepticism, lies, agitation, physical pain, anything that is from the kingdom

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of darkness, that realm of stuff. Well if we are struggling with it, we don't want to keep it.

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Letter A, not knowing why you have these feelings or thoughts, well it could be spiritually

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induced, the feelings, the thoughts, the pains, everything involved. For instance, the bottom

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there, mood swings, letter F, a range of emotions, see vexed below. Vexed shows up in scripture a lot,

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people being vexed by spirits. It's to have or be possessed with demons. Jump over to page 33.

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Vexed in Webster, you've got the definition there. Affected with mark by or causing trouble or

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vexation. So anything we can cause someone to be vexed, we can do things to vex someone,

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or we can be vexed by someone or by some spirit. Feeling or showing irritation,

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annoyance or distress, that's a person that's vexed. Difficult and often frustrating to

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understand or deal with. A person who's just difficult to deal with or they're frustrating

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to under, excuse me, to understand, to get on the same page with them. And it gives some synonyms

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there from Webster. Vexed in the gospel, so you've had the definition, the Greek definition

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bottom page 32, you got Webster's definition there. Here's four places, five places. It

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shows, well six, if you count the three in Matthew, the bottom line there, where no characteristics

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are given. These people were vexed by demons. So vexed, let me find where this comes from.

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What verse? I should have had this and let me go through it and I'll find it. 4582, 1139,

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no that's not it. Lunatic, let's look at lunatic here. It means to be moon struck,

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that second definition towards the end, to be moon struck, that is crazy.

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It speaks of cycling with the moon or to have a moon cycle.

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So the boy in Matthew 17, 15, who foamed at the mouth and fell into the fire and water,

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he was called that, he was called a lunatic. So this thing cycled is the point.

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And it's cycled with the moon. Matthew 4, 24, Jesus healed people who their situation

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cycled with the moon. The bottom there, it says, talked to anybody in the emergency room,

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jail, prison, law enforcement, mental hospitals, bartenders, anybody who's

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dealing with a person that's troubled on an ongoing basis. I've talked to numerous

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people who work in law enforcement and I've talked to a couple who work in healthcare,

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nurses and so forth. And I say, do you know when we're going to have a full moon?

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They said, I don't even have to look up into the sky. The day or two before,

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the day of and the day or two after are absolutely crazy.

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People are affected by a full moon. Now remember, full moon is one of the high

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sabbaths for satan worshipers. So that ties together. But the thing I want you to see is

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the cyclical thine. Go over page 34. Anytime around a full moon, everything goes upside down

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with people. The person's not in control of their full capacities. They do dumb things.

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They're good all month and then all of a sudden they fall off the wagon with something.

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And then they're good for two, three weeks and then they fall off the wagon. Pay attention.

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If this is tied to the lunar cycle, you've got a demon you're dealing with.

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This is not just them. This is a demonic force.

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It explains there it's an imitation. Then in number four, Vext goes into more of the

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Ther's lexicon there. It means when you're vexed, you're experiencing a sensation or an

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impression. Usually painful, whether physically or emotionally painful. It's to feel things.

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They have passion to suffer things. There's a sensation. There's an impression that is

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is usually painful emotionally or physical with the boy and the cycle of the moon. That's

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Matthew 17, 15. The cyclical sensations, impressions with pain are associated, are likely demonic.

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Vext again, Luke 6, 18. Talks about a little bit. We'll go to the last page. Again,

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another Greek definition. It's talking there in that verse in Luke 6, 18. And when and they

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were vexed with unclean spirits and they were healed. So the definition of that is in the top of

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page 35. Time, those are times when a number of demons gather together and mob you and they are

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also on a cyclical pattern. Ther's definition there is scary. To excite a mob against one,

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to trouble or molest, like adults molesting children, adults molesting handicap, children

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molesting each other, any form of molestation, they can all be demonic, especially if it's

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lunar related or cyclical related. So we have to pay attention, in other words, to some of

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these things and see if it's a repeating thing. Now I will take it adept a little bit further

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and it could be demonic, it could be emotional, it could be both. Some people cycle seasonally

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and it's it's it can be tied to traumas of their past that their subconscious remembers when they

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get close to, like for instance someone who got married on a certain date and it was a horrible

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situation, abuse of just bad, bad, bad. They escaped many times near the date they got married

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and or the date they escaped. They struggle once a year or twice depending upon what they

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struggle with. They struggle. Now is that purely emotional? I don't know.

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Is it purely demonic? I don't know. I've had many wives complain to me about this, depending upon

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what their husbands, I'll use the word hobby or greatest interest was. Let's say they're their

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avid football people, this big one, avid football people. They can be one of the

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wonderful, the six, eight months out of the year when football is not going on. But when

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preseason starts, it starts going bad. Once the football games start until the Super Bowl's over,

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they're like a different person. They want nothing, you know, they're not that interested

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in the family. They're not that much interested in time off with the wife. Everything is football.

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And then when the Super Bowl's over all of a sudden in a week or so it's like

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there you are. There's the person I married. They're back until next year. And it just cycles.

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It can be around football. It can be around deer hunting. It can be around anything.

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Anything that's cyclical, even if it has an emotional base, there's demons helping it,

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almost guaranteed. But even if it's just an emotional thing, I would really pay close

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attention because it can be demonic at the core. Real quick, there's one up here Ken called

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Addictions and Demons. Can you hand that out? This won't take long to go through it all.

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Are addictions assigned that demons are there? This is almost 100% of the time, yes.

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If you're struggling with an addiction, chances are really good. There's demons

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at the core and I'll give you the reason why as soon as you get your page.

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Flip to page two once you get your page or pages. It doesn't make any difference what the addiction

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is. An addiction is when something is controlling us. We like to think we're in control but we

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really aren't. Something is controlling us. So just read with me page two, Roman six,

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and then it'll jump down to Romans eight and we'll just point out I got the things underlined here

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that really stand out in case in reference to this. Reckon yourselves dead to be dead indeed

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to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal

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body that you should obey its lust. So the bottom core problem of demons is sin. We've

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learned that. If sin is reigning in our body guess who is there because they have legal right.

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Why wouldn't they be there? Of course they're going to be there. Do not present your members as

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instruments of unrighteousness to sin. Verse 14, sin shall not have dominion over you.

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So now it's Paul's describing sin as something that has control of you.

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Okay well I'm good with that. Verse 16, do you not know that to whom you present yourself as slaves

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to obey you are the one slaves whom you will you're going to be the slaves of the one whom you

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obey whether of sin leading to death or obedience leading to righteousness. There it is.

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Demons need sin. If we are submitting to sin and it is controlling us the problem is still sin but

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people will say well I'm addicted to whatever. Do you think I have demons? Yeah. Well then let's

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cast them out and I won't be addicted. No the problem is not the demons the problem is your

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sin. You've submitted yourself to something here and the demons just moved in because you

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submitted yourself to their kingdom. Sin is of their kingdom and you submitted yourself to it

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so they just moved in. The problem is not well you know I just have this this smoking problem

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just pick something. I'm just addicted I can't get free. If I could get someone to cast the

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demons out I'd be free. You know someone needs to get you to repent of your sin

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and get you to renounce it James 4-7 then we can cast out whatever critters were sitting in your sin.

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Follow it. If we don't deal with the sin and we cast out the critters now what happens?

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They're going to come back. Worse. And I've heard that story over and over. I went to a

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deliverance conference and you know I had trouble with alcohol and they cast the demon

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of alcohol out and man I was so free for about two or three months I didn't even want the stuff

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and now it's like I can't put it down it just hit me one day and it's like yeah I know what happened

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so I'll ask him did you ever address the sin of what was going on why you were into alcohol?

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Well no they just cast the demons out yeah and you got a whole load of new ones

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and see that it's just mistakes we make if you if you offer yourself as slaves to sin you're

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going to pick up demons having bet see verse 18 having bet been set free from sin you become

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slaves of righteousness verse 19 just as you presented your members of slaves to uncleanness

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and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness so now present your members to righteousness

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For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.

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So if you're going to submit to one kingdom, it's going to rule you.

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There's addictions.

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And wherever you have sin, you've got demons.

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And here's what an addiction acts like.

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Verse chapter 5, chapter 8 verse 5 toward the bottom.

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For those who live according to the flesh,

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have their mind set on the things of the flesh.

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There's an addictive person.

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It's what they think about.

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They're going to find a way to make this happen.

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Because they're craving it.

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They're longing it.

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Longing for it.

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For to be carnally minded is death.

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There's the core of the problem.

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Because the carnal mind is enmity against God.

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It's not subject to the law of God, nor indeed it can be.

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Chapter 8 verse 12.

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Therefore, brethren, we're deaders, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh.

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For if you live according to the flesh, you will die.

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And he just said,

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what you set your mind on is what you're going to live by.

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Verse 5 of chapter 8.

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So the concept of addiction to me is a sin-based issue.

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Now, sometimes the demons have to be cast out for the person to be free.

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But before you cast the demons out, deal with the sin.

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That's just my only thought there.

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Deal with the sin, get them to recognize it, get them to repent.

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And then they're clean.

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If we confess our sins, he's faithful and just to forgive us.

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That's our heavenly relationship now is re-established.

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Forgive us.

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And cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

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There's kingdom of darkness and the power of sin and demons and everything else.

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So if we'll confess that sin,

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now we're in a position we can get free of the addiction,

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now go through James 4-7 with them and cast the demons out.

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And to me, then, now the addictions dealt with.

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But sometimes people don't like the concept of,

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well, if I'm in sin, I probably have demons.

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Well, I'm sorry.

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But from my understanding of what Scripture says,

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demons and sin go to their hand and glove just like righteousness and angels

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and the Holy Spirit go together hand and glove.

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Each kingdom supports itself, works with itself.

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Which takes us to the last or neutral deal with next week.

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How do demons gain access to people?

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Well, it's through sin.

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But there's a couple of specific things there we're going to talk about.

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Not next week, the week after.

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Next week we don't have class, the week after.

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And then I've got a number of topics that I'm not necessarily going to put in print yet.

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I'll do it in the book.

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But I have a number of topics and I'll just give a taste to you

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what we're going to deal with that last class.

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Should we as Christians be demon hunting or chasing, looking for demons?

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The attitudes about demons or beliefs about demons that we as Christians can pick up.

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We're not supposed to be afraid of them.

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We're not supposed to get arrogant.

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I'm a demon caster outer.

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I'm somebody.

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You know, different attitudes.

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We need to watch that.

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Children's deliverance.

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There's some things there we need to talk about briefly.

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Mental illness and deliverance.

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We need to talk about that.

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We won't have a lot of time, but we're going to...

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There's four or five topics that need to be hit on that last class

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besides that one handout.

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Which that one is talking about unresolved anger, basically.

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So, we'll talk about that.

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Remember the story I shared?

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This was the first person when I was still assistant pastor

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when that first person came in and they had demons and stuff.

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There was one night when there was a bunch of us gathered around.

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There was me and the head pastor and his wife

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and a board member and his wife

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and there was a bunch of us gathered around.

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And God was just taking mercy on us

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and trying to teach us some things

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because we were just green as the grass.

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And we got this demon that came up

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that was just kind of naive.

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And we were asking questions

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and it was actually giving... this is so rare.

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It was actually giving us answers that were scriptural.

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We didn't know it at the time, we found them later.

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And we asked, what gives you the right to be in that person?

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And it said, well, they have a live-hole.

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I'll call it a live-hole.

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Well, what's a live-hole?

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It's a place in their body

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that's open for us to be able to move in and live in that spot.

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And I'm gone.

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That makes no sense at all

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because I didn't see it at the time.

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And just gave us a whole bunch of information

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about stuff that as two, three years went on

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all of a sudden we saw it in the Scripture.

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Well, the one greatest way

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that we can let demons get in

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is unresolved anger.

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Paul addresses it in Ephesians 4.27

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and literally when he says,

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give no place to the devil,

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the word place in the Greek,

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the definition of that word

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is an opening to live in.

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Don't give an opening for the devil to live in you.

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And what was interesting is this person

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that we were dealing with had some anger problems.

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Unresolved stuff in their life,

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they couldn't figure out, they couldn't put it to rest.

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They just carried it.

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And he said, don't let the sun go down in your wrath

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nor give a place for the devil.

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Or an opening, you'll be amazed

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when we read the definition out of the strongs and theirs.

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It's like right there it says

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you're making a place in you

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for them to live in you.

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And that's exactly what this spirit said.

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Well, I'm here because they made a place for me.

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There's a live-hole here. Why wouldn't I be here?

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It's like, well, they're Christians.

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Well, they still got a live-hole.

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So I moved in.

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And it's like, okay.

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But in time, Lord showed us.

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So he was having mercy on us and really helping us.

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Any questions as we wrap this up?

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Okay, we got some.

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Do we have the mic runner?

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Is the mic still on?

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No.

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Okay.

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You can fix that. Okay.

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I just have a question. Actually, I should have picked it up last time.

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So on Sunday, when you addressed the strong man, correct?

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Yep.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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And how do you know that that is gone, I guess, is my question.

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As the Holy Spirit sees, knows, and numbers,

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I bound everything together

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because there's never, my experience, there's never one strong man.

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Yep.

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They will, they've all got their little kingdoms they build

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and there's a strong man over every kingdom.

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Now, this is just my experience.

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But lying, if there's a kingdom of lying there,

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it will be tied to, could be abuse, could be hate, could be fear.

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A lot of people lie out of fear.

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Well, if I tell the truth, everything's going to go wrong.

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So you're afraid, oh, we got a, we got a twin kingdom here.

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And there's going to be a strong man over the fear kingdom.

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So they will couple together.

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So I just bind it all together.

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They're all working together, trying to destroy this person's life.

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So I'll call the strong man or strong men.

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That's how I'll say it.

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And as the Holy Spirit sees, knows, and numbers,

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and everything in your kingdom, everything that's working with you,

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I should add this because I say it, I need to explain it.

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Directly or indirectly working with you.

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Okay, what do I mean by that?

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There's always spirits on the outside working with the spirits on the inside.

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So if a person has demonic forces, there's always spirits out here working with them.

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These are indirectly involved.

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The ones in here are directly involved with what's going on day to day.

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These might show up every few days or so forth to see what's happening.

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Like for instance, I'll give you an example.

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I might have gave this already because it's a recent one, but if I didn't, here it is.

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If I did, you get it twice.

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There was a person who came to me a few weeks back and said that there was a...

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The Lord had told the person that He wanted to set them free of this particular thing.

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And they said, okay, let's do this.

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And a day, two days, three days later, whatever, they woke up in the middle of the night

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and saw this being standing in the bedroom watching them.

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And they said, well, what is that?

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They asked the Holy Spirit.

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At first, they got rid of it.

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And then they said, what is that?

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And the Holy Spirit said what I just said.

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They said, that is the familiar spirit who runs what I want to get you free of.

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And they heard you're going to get set free so they're coming to see what's going on so they can preempt it.

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So they're indirectly involved.

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They show up, they give direction.

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This, that and the other.

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They're higher in the food chain, so to speak.

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So when I bind up often, you'll hear me say directly or indirectly,

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the Holy Spirit sees everything that's working together here.

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I bind them all together.

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And I specifically call out, and the strong men of everything,

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from the top all the way down the bottom, you're all going together.

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As the Holy Spirit sees and knows and numbers.

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Someone came to me just a couple of weeks ago and they said,

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I'm seeing stuff running around my house.

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Apparitions, halos, whatever.

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What do I do with it?

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You need to be in the class.

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It's the first thing.

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Because we covered that in the first booklet.

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I said, in a nutshell, here's what you do with it.

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Why I don't know what it is.

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I don't know what kind of spirit is it.

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Is Lord telling you anything?

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I don't care.

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I don't know. I don't care.

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Here's what you do.

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The Holy Spirit knows exactly who and what this is and why they're there.

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So you go home and you stand in the middle of some room.

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You can sit down if you want to, but I like to stand.

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And I will say, in Jesus' name, as the Holy Spirit knows,

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there's some kind of spirits lurking around or trying to cause me problems.

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I call all of them, as the Holy Spirit knows,

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to come and stand in front of me right now.

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We're going to deal with you.

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And I says, and when they show up, you know it.

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If you feel the spirit run at all.

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It'll make your hair stand up.

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There's all kinds of body sensations that happen when demons show up.

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And I'll call them and stand them right in front of me and say,

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now here's what's going on.

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And then I bind them all together.

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You're not going to do this anymore.

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Holy Spirit, why do they have access?

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Were they sent? Could have been sent by Covens.

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Are they tied into a familiar spirit?

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Generational thing, whatever.

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Try to follow the leading of the spirit.

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Cut everything off.

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You go to the pit. You're out of here.

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You say, and then the person says, what if I see them again?

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Do the same thing.

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Because it may not be the same ones.

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It could be new ones.

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Do the same thing.

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Once they know you know, you don't have to put up with this.

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And they're losing troops.

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They quit coming.

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Every time we go into that house, we're down at the roof.

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They're on the pit.

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So I think we're going to quit going into that house.

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I mean, it's just good war strategy.

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Every time we stick our head up, somebody gets shot.

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Well, maybe keep your head down.

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You know?

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Kind of thing.

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So it's, remember, it's a military based kind of thing.

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It's how they work.

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So, yes.

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The principle works on personal deliverance, self deliverance.

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The principle works on deliverance this way.

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The principle works on dealing with the spirit realm.

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And you never have to...

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Well, I have to wait until I see them to do something.

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Oh, no, no, no. We're in charge.

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We command them.

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And believe me, they hear us.

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We command them and you just don't...

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You don't have to fool around.

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You just call them and tell them the way it's going to go.

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Come here. I want to talk to you.

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We're done with this now.

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And kick them out.

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Same thing you do in a haunted house.

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Of course, in a haunted house, you need to find out...

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Not always, but usually you need to find out why they're there.

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But not always.

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Because haunted houses go by ownership.

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Who owns it?

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And many times haunted houses are first discovered

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when the house gets sold and a new owner moves in.

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And then they go, oh, man, there's garbage going on in this house.

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Well, you own it now.

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So just on that basis alone, many times you can deal with it.

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But sometimes you need to know why they were there.

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Was there a suicide in the house?

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And we got a familiar spirit who's struggling.

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Or what is this?

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The Holy Spirit, if we need to know, the Holy Spirit will show us.

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He'll tell us.

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But there again, haunted house is not just one spirit.

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It's always a group of them working together.

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You may just be seeing one.

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But there's always a group of them working together.

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So dress them all.

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And I always do it, always now, since I learned the principle,

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as the Holy Spirit sees, knows, and numbers,

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I just bind you all together.

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And I rob your power. You have none.

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You stand before the king of kings and the lord of lords,

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and it ain't me, but in his power.

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And you just...

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But that comes with practice.

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You know, it's just the way it works.

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You know, the first time you see something running through your house

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at night, you might not remember it.

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What do I do with this? Okay.

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But after a while, you remember.

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And I love to deal with them on their basis.

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When there's a spirit that needs to be dealt with

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in a person's house, if it's nighttime,

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I will request all the lights stay off.

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I want to go in in the dark.

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Numerous reasons, but the number one is this.

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Why do we want every light on in the house

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and we're going in to look for a spirit?

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Because we're afraid.

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We're afraid.

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Well, we have a problem we need to deal with

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before we can deal with them.

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So I'll just show them right out of the gates.

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I'm not afraid of you.

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I'll walk right in in the dark. I'm in charge.

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You're going to come answer to me.

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I'm not answering to you.

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All this little stuff makes a difference.

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It really does.

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Plus, when your second thing is this.

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When you take away eyesight,

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because we take so much information in with our eyes,

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take eyesight away,

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you have to start depending on other senses

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especially your gut.

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So take the eyesight away.

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It makes it much clearer to feel what's around you.

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You can feel exactly where they're at.

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It just, it makes it easier for me.

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Besides the fact I'm not going to show them any fear.

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I'm not going there.

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What if they do something?

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What are they going to do?

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They're afraid of me.

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What are they going to do?

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Well, they're going to come at me with a knife.

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See, there you go.

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You got fear problems.

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Does any of that make sense?

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Okay, go ahead.

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You got a mic?

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So fear comes up.

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It just comes up.

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You just tell it has to go.

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I mean, you don't want to deal with what's going on

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when that's there.

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If they tell it to just fear.

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You got to get out of here.

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In Jesus' name, you don't get to be here.

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Or once it's there, you just can't do it.

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You got to deal with your fear.

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Fear is largely a subconscious issue.

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Remember that whole series we did

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about the subconscious and fear?

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Right before the pandemic thing hit?

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Oh, yeah.

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If you have fear problems,

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I'd go back through that series

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and get that fear dealt with

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before you're facing down a spirit.

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Because it's really hard.

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If you can't overcome fear

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without facing down a spirit,

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how are you going to overcome it

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when you're facing it down?

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So it's...

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Fear is not of God.

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It's a spirit.

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God has not given us the spirit of fear.

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So if you've got fear,

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you've got demons.

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Let's just call it what it is.

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You've got demons.

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It's a spirit of fear.

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God hasn't given it to us,

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so it only came from someplace else.

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So it's

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a fearful person,

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or a person with demons trying to cast out demons.

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That may not go well.

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God may be gracious.

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Help you a little bit.

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But my rule of thumb is this.

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Well, do you have to be totally clean to cast out demons?

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No, because nobody ever is except for Jesus.

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It's the willful stuff

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we can't be messing with.

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If we are in willful,

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we're choosing

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to live in sin in an area.

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Yeah,

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that's not going to work well

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to cast out demons that way.

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Well, people who are fearful,

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that's a willful thing.

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I mean, everybody who's fearful,

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who's lived for God any length of time

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can quote all kinds of scriptures about,

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well, God has not given us the spirit of fear.

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Fear is not of God because fear has torment.

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Perfect love casts out fear.

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They know they have a fear problem.

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Well, if they'd back up

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two steps, they would know they've got a demon problem

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because that's exactly what Paul called it.

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A demon of fear.

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God has not given us a demon or a spirit of fear.

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You got demons.

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You're going to have to deal

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with your willful

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thing you're living with.

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You're willfully choosing

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to live in fear.

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So deal with it.

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Get it out.

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There's stuff online you can listen to.

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You can go back and listen to that series, listen to it.

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Or you can just go to the Holy Spirit and say,

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man, you got to help me get this fear out.

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This has got to go. I can't live.

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This is sin. There's demons attached

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to my fear. I mean, if we see it

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for as real as it is

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and then go after it.

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And I would highly recommend deal with it

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as much as you can before you're staring

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down the demon.

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Because they'll feel it on you.

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They see in the spirit realm.

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They'll feel it on you.

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And they'll harass you to no end

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if they get the access to the mouth.

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They'll just call you out.

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They'll say, how do you...

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You know, I've had them do it. That's why I know this.

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What gives you the right to cast me out?

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You're more afraid of me than I am you.

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I am no afraid of your Jesus name.

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Well, then why are you screaming at me?

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You blankety-blank hypocrite.

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You Christians.

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And they'll just start calling you out.

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And there you stand, flat footed.

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Inside you know the right.

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So what are you going to do with that?

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So I highly recommend

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before you do deliverance

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get out of willful sin.

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Or it won't work well.

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It would just be a problem.

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Go ahead.

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So when your body reacts...

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I just can feel like,

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okay, if your body's going to react

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it's going to try and tell you you're in fear.

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Yep.

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But if you have little...

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I don't know if anybody's without fear.

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But if you have little fear

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in you, you can tell your body to knock it off.

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I am not going to be afraid

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of these spirits that are standing in front of me right now.

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Knock it off.

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We're in charge.

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And the fear will just go...

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But if you have fear,

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you, the real you, the spirit person

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if you're struggling with fear

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in the name of Jesus,

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I command it to go down and you're standing there.

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Because you're in fear.

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There's a difference.

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Yeah.

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Very good question though.

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Very good question.

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And it opens up way wider than just fear.

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People who are in willful sin

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shouldn't be casting out demons.

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Because it's going to come back and bite them.

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It's only a matter of time.

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It's going to come back and bite them.

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You're divided.

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You're trying to deal.

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Kingdom divided against itself can't stand.

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It won't work.

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I mean if you're struggling with demon problems

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and you're trying to cast out demons

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that kingdom would be divided against itself.

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It won't work.

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So you've got to

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submit yourself

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to God.

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And we all deal with sin things.

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But we don't

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have to live with willful sin

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in our life.

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And we submit ourselves, we deal with that.

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Now we're in a position to

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cast out demons.

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Just my experience.

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Some other people might have

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different experience.

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And I've

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heard ministers on

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YouTube and years ago on TV

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say you can be born again

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yesterday and cast out demons today.

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You can. I'm not against that.

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But you're also going to run into

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problems like people perched

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on top of a house.

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Because you're probably

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not ready for every situation

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that's coming along. You'll get rid of some of them.

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But you're also going to run into

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problems.

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Because we need to grow.

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And it's just

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the way it is. I mean I run

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into problems now. It's like

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okay, what's wrong here? It's not working.

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What's broken? Is it broken in me?

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What's wrong with me?

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That could be hindering this.

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What's wrong with them? What is this?

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What am I not dealing with? I had someone

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approach me just...

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What is today? Tuesday must have been last week.

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They were dealing with

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astral projections.

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And they didn't know it was

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astral projections. And they were

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taking authority over it and commanding

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it to leave and casting it out

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and it was harassing them in

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their house.

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And it wouldn't leave. Never would leave.

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And they were just so frustrated

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because the Word of God doesn't work.

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I said, well, this may

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not be a demon. Well, what else

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could it be? See, there is

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there is experience.

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The first

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astral projection that I dealt

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with took me 30 days to

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figure it out.

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That was hell.

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That third, that was in that 18 to 24

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months. For 30 days

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this thing showed up every

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night.

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When the sun went down

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things would start ramping up and

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the worst was like 2 to 4 in the

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morning.

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So I was sleeping

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during the day and dealing

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with astral projection stuff all

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night because

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we were doing deliverance stuff and

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they were trying to stop that

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and they would physically do the

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poltergeist thing. They'd manifest.

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You'd walk in the room, the chair

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is rocking. The light back

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that was that and back in the time

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where we used to have lamps that hung on a hook

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the lights,

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they would be swinging. And there was

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nobody who had been in the room.

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The front door was opening and closing

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and you know you get

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this creepy feeling going through you

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like this ain't God. And you take

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authority where it does nothing.

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Night after night

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after night

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after night. That was

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a long month. It was

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bad. I knew

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somehow we had a win.

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But that was a

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long month.

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Finally

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at the end

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my mentor said

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how did he say it?

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You know you've been

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on my heart. Been praying

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for you. You got anything going

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on that you need help with?

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Nothing other than

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this night thing.

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And I explained it

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to him.

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He said, you know what

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I don't think you're dealing with demons.

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Have you taken

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have you dealt with astral projection?

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Astral who?

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Astral what? What is that?

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So he explained it to me.

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He said this is

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the only way that I've gotten

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and gotten it to obey.

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And it's the same thing with me. And I just told

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this person the same thing. I said this

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may sound a little rough.

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I said, but you cannot

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take authority over an astral projection

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like a demon and they obey you because they're not a

57:37.380 --> 57:38.560
demon. They're a human being

57:39.520 --> 57:40.720
who's out of their body.

57:42.000 --> 57:43.240
And if you

57:43.240 --> 57:45.120
don't deal with them like another

57:46.060 --> 57:46.580
person

57:48.020 --> 57:49.620
you can't, they won't

57:49.620 --> 57:51.480
obey you. They have no reason

57:51.480 --> 57:52.200
to obey you.

57:53.700 --> 57:54.980
So they just harass

57:54.980 --> 57:56.240
you to no end.

57:58.700 --> 58:00.160
Just weird stuff.

58:00.160 --> 58:01.540
People pulling up

58:01.540 --> 58:03.680
in front of the house and making

58:03.680 --> 58:05.440
threats at two in the morning.

58:05.860 --> 58:07.920
And just all instigated

58:07.920 --> 58:09.800
around this astral projection stuff.

58:12.120 --> 58:14.140
So he said, this is the only

58:14.140 --> 58:15.800
way it works for me. He says

58:15.800 --> 58:18.020
they're in witchcraft. He said, that's how

58:18.020 --> 58:19.700
they make this work. Demon worship, witchcraft.

58:19.840 --> 58:20.980
He said it's all in the same bag.

58:21.920 --> 58:24.020
He said, the only thing that works for

58:24.020 --> 58:25.100
me is the Old Testament.

58:25.740 --> 58:27.380
God said, do not allow

58:27.380 --> 58:28.300
a witch to live.

58:30.500 --> 58:31.460
He said, so either

58:31.460 --> 58:33.020
threaten to kill them or kill them.

58:35.040 --> 58:37.000
I said, really?

58:39.180 --> 58:41.140
That sound kind of dramatic.

58:41.740 --> 58:43.360
I said, how do you do that? Well then he explained

58:43.360 --> 58:44.720
to me the silver cord and

58:45.660 --> 58:47.480
I think we've already shown it

58:47.480 --> 58:48.840
in Ecclesiastes where

58:49.660 --> 58:51.360
Solomon knew about it and how it

58:51.360 --> 58:53.380
worked. Of course Solomon was into

58:53.380 --> 58:54.720
all kinds of things he shouldn't have been into.

58:54.720 --> 58:55.740
But

58:56.620 --> 58:58.640
he said, the thing

58:58.640 --> 59:00.720
that keeps them attached to their

59:00.720 --> 59:02.940
body, the scripture describes

59:02.940 --> 59:04.640
as a silver cord and if you're

59:04.640 --> 59:06.000
in the spirit realm

59:06.740 --> 59:08.260
you can see it

59:08.260 --> 59:10.600
and it looks silver and it's a thin cord

59:10.600 --> 59:12.500
that runs from the spirit person

59:12.500 --> 59:13.660
back to the body.

59:14.620 --> 59:16.400
And that's how they motivate

59:16.400 --> 59:18.060
and they get back to their body and

59:18.060 --> 59:20.300
the more they practice the further

59:20.300 --> 59:22.640
they can go to where

59:22.640 --> 59:23.800
if they get really

59:24.340 --> 59:26.120
full of demons and very

59:26.560 --> 59:28.400
practiced they can go anywhere

59:28.400 --> 59:30.420
in the world. I mean it'll stretch

59:30.420 --> 59:32.580
like that, it's not an issue.

59:33.980 --> 59:36.500
The only thing that will keep them

59:36.500 --> 59:38.440
from getting back to their body is if the

59:38.440 --> 59:39.560
silver cord gets cut.

59:42.540 --> 59:44.100
And look it up in Ecclesiastes

59:44.100 --> 59:46.480
sometime it did. It says it

59:46.480 --> 59:46.840
that way.

59:47.980 --> 59:50.380
He said, so tell him, if you don't get

59:50.380 --> 59:52.260
out of here and stay out of here I'm gonna cut the silver cord

59:52.260 --> 59:54.500
I'll kill you. God says

59:54.500 --> 59:56.300
suffer not a witch to live so you keep showing

59:56.300 --> 59:57.060
up here I'm gonna kill you.

59:58.640 --> 01:00:00.380
Well, that just

01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:02.760
sounds too dramatic to me.

01:00:03.460 --> 01:00:04.180
It's like really

01:00:04.180 --> 01:00:05.580
we have to go to that length

01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:08.440
well I found out nothing works but that

01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:10.140
that nothing worked for me but that

01:00:10.140 --> 01:00:12.080
so that's what I told the person last week

01:00:13.580 --> 01:00:14.260
I said

01:00:15.100 --> 01:00:16.540
here's the only thing I know

01:00:16.540 --> 01:00:17.060
that works.

01:00:18.340 --> 01:00:19.720
When you know they're there

01:00:20.380 --> 01:00:21.520
you talk to them

01:00:22.160 --> 01:00:23.100
and you say

01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:26.040
however you want to say it

01:00:26.040 --> 01:00:27.120
I always give them one warning

01:00:27.120 --> 01:00:29.240
I will let you leave tonight but don't

01:00:29.240 --> 01:00:31.160
ever come back. If you ever

01:00:31.160 --> 01:00:33.120
or someone from your coven because they're almost

01:00:33.120 --> 01:00:34.420
always tied into a coven

01:00:34.980 --> 01:00:36.780
someone from your coven comes back

01:00:36.780 --> 01:00:39.120
I'll kill you. I will cut your silver

01:00:39.120 --> 01:00:41.120
cord with the word of my mouth. It's a

01:00:41.120 --> 01:00:42.920
spirit thing and I can cut it spiritually

01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:44.420
and you will be dead.

01:00:46.140 --> 01:00:47.000
So I asked

01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:48.780
my mentor I said well they'll be dead

01:00:48.780 --> 01:00:50.660
what does that mean? He said well a lot of

01:00:50.660 --> 01:00:52.560
times they're on drugs when they're doing

01:00:52.560 --> 01:00:52.960
this

01:00:54.980 --> 01:00:56.680
there's different things happening. He said

01:00:56.680 --> 01:00:58.380
they'll just die of a heart attack or they'll

01:00:58.380 --> 01:01:00.200
die of an overdose or

01:01:00.700 --> 01:01:02.460
you know once the cord is cut now the

01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:04.520
spirit is no longer giving a life

01:01:04.520 --> 01:01:05.740
to the body. Paul said

01:01:06.300 --> 01:01:08.580
that the thing that gives the human

01:01:08.580 --> 01:01:10.660
body life is the spirit. The life

01:01:10.660 --> 01:01:12.460
comes from the human spirit. Once

01:01:12.460 --> 01:01:14.100
that's cut he said they could have a heart

01:01:14.100 --> 01:01:15.500
attack, they could have a brain hemorrhage, they

01:01:15.500 --> 01:01:17.340
could have anything. When they go in for an autopsy

01:01:17.340 --> 01:01:18.640
they'll say well they died of a heart attack

01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:21.980
or they had an aneurysm that burst or whatever

01:01:22.560 --> 01:01:24.380
and he says in reality what happened

01:01:24.380 --> 01:01:25.820
is their silver cord got cut

01:01:25.820 --> 01:01:28.440
and the life source to that person's

01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:29.920
body was severed

01:01:30.300 --> 01:01:31.880
they couldn't get back and

01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:32.980
the body died.

01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:35.560
That works.

01:01:36.480 --> 01:01:38.020
It took me a whole month

01:01:38.020 --> 01:01:39.860
to learn that. Probably some of it was

01:01:39.860 --> 01:01:41.840
my own ignorance. Why didn't I ask

01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:42.160
him earlier?

01:01:43.860 --> 01:01:45.180
I don't know, just didn't.

01:01:45.680 --> 01:01:47.100
One of those, I don't know.

01:01:48.080 --> 01:01:49.680
Everybody does dumb things, that was one of

01:01:49.680 --> 01:01:49.860
mine.

01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:53.760
That was a long month, sure you can say something.

01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.620
Do you remember when Ken and I came

01:01:58.300 --> 01:01:59.780
and we had that

01:01:59.780 --> 01:02:01.680
exact experience and I said we're

01:02:01.680 --> 01:02:03.560
taking authority over this. I am getting

01:02:03.560 --> 01:02:05.800
ticked off. They won't listen.

01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:07.720
And you said you're dealing

01:02:07.720 --> 01:02:08.920
with astral projection.

01:02:10.380 --> 01:02:11.980
Okay, the next

01:02:11.980 --> 01:02:13.460
time they came

01:02:13.460 --> 01:02:15.160
I preached to them.

01:02:15.900 --> 01:02:17.520
I told them about Jesus

01:02:17.520 --> 01:02:19.580
loved them. God wanted

01:02:19.580 --> 01:02:21.720
them to be saved. They didn't have to live

01:02:21.720 --> 01:02:23.560
like this. And I said

01:02:23.560 --> 01:02:25.840
go, go back. And I said

01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:27.680
get out. I said call on the name

01:02:27.680 --> 01:02:29.340
of the Lord. Call on Jesus.

01:02:29.640 --> 01:02:31.060
He will help you escape.

01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:33.560
He will help you and you can

01:02:33.560 --> 01:02:35.640
have the life that God planned for you.

01:02:35.640 --> 01:02:37.900
And I'm getting so excited.

01:02:38.160 --> 01:02:39.660
I'm just on this roll.

01:02:39.900 --> 01:02:41.460
I'm thinking of other things. Scripture

01:02:42.120 --> 01:02:43.480
is coming like crazy.

01:02:43.620 --> 01:02:44.940
And I think this is wonderful.

01:02:45.980 --> 01:02:47.760
And they have not been back since.

01:02:48.120 --> 01:02:49.660
Really? So there's

01:02:49.660 --> 01:02:50.660
a new thing that could work.

01:02:52.040 --> 01:02:53.320
Preach the gospel to them.

01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:56.640
That's interesting.

01:02:57.620 --> 01:02:59.240
Hey, as long as it works, I don't care.

01:02:59.780 --> 01:03:01.460
The thing was the compassion

01:03:01.460 --> 01:03:02.680
that rose up. I thought

01:03:02.680 --> 01:03:04.680
the compassion

01:03:05.360 --> 01:03:06.880
that rose up in me, I thought

01:03:07.900 --> 01:03:08.900
they had a mother.

01:03:09.560 --> 01:03:10.220
They had a father.

01:03:11.160 --> 01:03:13.080
I don't think this is what they wanted

01:03:13.080 --> 01:03:14.480
for whoever.

01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:16.820
I was so concerned

01:03:16.820 --> 01:03:17.780
for them. And I thought

01:03:18.460 --> 01:03:20.640
maybe they can feel this. I don't know.

01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:22.600
I mean, I don't know. That was just

01:03:23.640 --> 01:03:24.640
but I was

01:03:24.640 --> 01:03:26.560
so concerned for them. I wanted

01:03:26.560 --> 01:03:29.060
them to hear the word. I thought maybe they've never heard this

01:03:29.060 --> 01:03:30.760
preached. Maybe they don't know

01:03:30.760 --> 01:03:31.700
that there's an alternative.

01:03:32.740 --> 01:03:34.340
That there can be a way out because

01:03:34.340 --> 01:03:36.520
you will make the way. I have to remember that

01:03:36.520 --> 01:03:38.480
and try that. Because I mean

01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:40.160
they show up from time to time. They'll do this.

01:03:40.640 --> 01:03:43.060
You told me. You were the one that

01:03:43.060 --> 01:03:44.800
said preach the gospel? Yes.

01:03:45.100 --> 01:03:46.340
Really? Tell them that

01:03:46.340 --> 01:03:48.620
tell them that they don't have to

01:03:48.620 --> 01:03:50.740
live like this. Oh, yeah. That part's

01:03:50.740 --> 01:03:52.800
true. But it never worked for me before that they stayed

01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:54.420
away. Yeah. So, you know,

01:03:54.520 --> 01:03:56.340
I don't know what Ken was thinking, but

01:03:56.340 --> 01:03:57.780
I sat up in bed. I got

01:03:57.780 --> 01:03:59.980
really excited about the whole

01:03:59.980 --> 01:04:01.660
thing. And I thought afterwards

01:04:01.660 --> 01:04:03.800
I thought, well now, if they come

01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:05.900
back again, I said to Ken, if

01:04:05.900 --> 01:04:07.700
any more come, this is what will happen

01:04:07.700 --> 01:04:08.780
every time. Yeah.

01:04:11.020 --> 01:04:12.080
Ken was probably thinking

01:04:12.080 --> 01:04:13.040
out of there she goes again.

01:04:15.140 --> 01:04:16.060
Preaching to somebody.

01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:21.920
But they'll show up from time to time. I mean

01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.480
they'll show up in our house from time to time.

01:04:23.540 --> 01:04:25.700
Yeah. And it's

01:04:25.700 --> 01:04:27.580
usually right before

01:04:27.580 --> 01:04:29.340
something really good is going to happen.

01:04:29.900 --> 01:04:31.780
So it's like that preemptive strike.

01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:35.820
And it's like, well, then you got to

01:04:35.820 --> 01:04:37.800
deal with it. And the

01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:41.340
this hasn't happened for a while.

01:04:41.720 --> 01:04:43.560
But the thing that they did

01:04:43.560 --> 01:04:45.760
for the first few years, and we were

01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:47.260
having church in the modular and stuff,

01:04:47.940 --> 01:04:49.820
you'd hear when you were in the basement

01:04:49.820 --> 01:04:51.420
you'd hear someone walking upstairs.

01:04:52.420 --> 01:04:54.540
And it wasn't just Mary and I who

01:04:54.540 --> 01:04:56.600
heard it. We had people over at

01:04:56.600 --> 01:04:58.480
the house who stayed at the house one night

01:04:58.480 --> 01:04:59.940
and we weren't there.

01:05:00.640 --> 01:05:02.560
And during the night

01:05:03.280 --> 01:05:04.540
they were sleeping in the bedroom

01:05:04.540 --> 01:05:06.540
downstairs. During the night they said there was

01:05:06.540 --> 01:05:07.540
people upstairs.

01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:10.640
I said, what did you do? Well, I went up to see

01:05:10.640 --> 01:05:12.580
who was in the house. Nobody

01:05:12.580 --> 01:05:14.540
was there. What is

01:05:14.540 --> 01:05:16.520
that? I heard them walk across the

01:05:16.520 --> 01:05:17.860
house. I said, yeah, I know.

01:05:18.900 --> 01:05:19.700
I've heard it too.

01:05:20.560 --> 01:05:21.480
Well, what do you do with that?

01:05:22.540 --> 01:05:23.820
Turn the lights off.

01:05:25.540 --> 01:05:26.420
Go upstairs

01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:30.680
and tell them, I know

01:05:30.680 --> 01:05:33.420
what you're doing. And I know what

01:05:33.420 --> 01:05:33.900
you are.

01:05:35.200 --> 01:05:37.440
And maybe preach the gospel before you kill

01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:38.780
them. You know, kind of thing.

01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:41.380
That's, you know, I

01:05:41.380 --> 01:05:43.440
get the concept, but it never worked for

01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:45.200
me. They stayed away because I've done that.

01:05:45.580 --> 01:05:47.280
You know, do you realize you're going

01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:49.340
to hell? Do you realize you're working in the wrong

01:05:49.340 --> 01:05:51.120
kingdom? Don't you understand? Jesus

01:05:51.120 --> 01:05:53.420
died for this, but it never

01:05:53.420 --> 01:05:54.960
kept them away. It worked for you.

01:05:55.560 --> 01:05:56.000
Good job.

01:05:56.840 --> 01:05:59.440
I don't think I'm as important as you are.

01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:01.280
Well, yeah, I don't know if I buy

01:06:01.280 --> 01:06:03.080
that. He might have got,

01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.140
person probably got saved and they quit coming

01:06:05.140 --> 01:06:07.540
back. It didn't work for me. So then

01:06:07.540 --> 01:06:09.200
the second time around it's

01:06:09.200 --> 01:06:11.480
the knife's coming out. We're going to put an end to this.

01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:13.960
You did tell about the silver cord.

01:06:14.220 --> 01:06:15.020
I knew that too.

01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:15.440
Yeah.

01:06:18.140 --> 01:06:18.740
Yeah.

01:06:19.020 --> 01:06:19.400
Yeah. Go ahead, Bonnie.

01:06:20.540 --> 01:06:21.140
Before

01:06:21.140 --> 01:06:23.460
Phil and I were educated

01:06:23.460 --> 01:06:25.380
on demons and

01:06:25.380 --> 01:06:27.300
stuff like that, what they did.

01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:29.560
There was a couple where we lived

01:06:29.560 --> 01:06:30.460
and they

01:06:31.240 --> 01:06:33.620
had a smoking habit

01:06:33.620 --> 01:06:35.480
and they deprived

01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:37.040
their children of

01:06:37.040 --> 01:06:39.160
food so that they could smoke.

01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:41.540
So Phil, being the big

01:06:41.540 --> 01:06:43.640
hearted guy he was, he started

01:06:43.640 --> 01:06:45.600
providing at least milk

01:06:45.600 --> 01:06:47.720
for them. We'd go out to the dairy

01:06:47.720 --> 01:06:49.620
and we'd get a milk and the children could

01:06:49.620 --> 01:06:51.520
at least have milk. And

01:06:51.520 --> 01:06:53.620
we did that for about two months

01:06:53.620 --> 01:06:55.500
and then God told Phil,

01:06:55.640 --> 01:06:57.460
he says, you realize that you took

01:06:57.460 --> 01:06:59.680
my hand off of what I was trying to

01:06:59.680 --> 01:07:00.900
do with them

01:07:01.560 --> 01:07:03.760
by providing milk for the children.

01:07:04.340 --> 01:07:05.640
He says, I was trying to

01:07:05.640 --> 01:07:07.700
teach them and you

01:07:07.700 --> 01:07:08.860
interrupted it.

01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:11.460
And that was

01:07:11.460 --> 01:07:13.260
a horrible feeling.

01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:15.280
So after that we would

01:07:15.280 --> 01:07:17.100
pray before we would help somebody.

01:07:17.180 --> 01:07:19.480
Just in case we were going to take God's

01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:20.800
hand off of somebody.

01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:22.800
Interesting.

01:07:26.680 --> 01:07:28.900
Since it's come up, let's go to Ecclesiastes

01:07:28.900 --> 01:07:31.040
12. I'm going to read you the scriptures

01:07:31.040 --> 01:07:31.440
here.

01:07:36.700 --> 01:07:38.020
The specific verses

01:07:38.020 --> 01:07:39.580
we're looking for are down a little

01:07:39.580 --> 01:07:41.280
bit but let's get a running start on it.

01:07:41.900 --> 01:07:43.720
Ecclesiastes 12 will start right at verse 1.

01:07:45.040 --> 01:07:47.300
Remember your Creator in the days of your youth

01:07:47.300 --> 01:07:49.100
before days of trouble come in the years

01:07:49.100 --> 01:07:51.240
approach when you will say, I find no pleasure

01:07:51.240 --> 01:07:53.340
in them. So in other words, he's talking about aging.

01:07:54.540 --> 01:07:55.420
Before the sun and the light

01:07:55.420 --> 01:07:57.240
and the moon and the stars grow dark

01:07:57.680 --> 01:07:59.060
and the clouds return

01:07:59.060 --> 01:08:01.040
after the rain. So he's talking

01:08:01.040 --> 01:08:03.160
about aging and things

01:08:03.160 --> 01:08:04.000
are going downhill.

01:08:05.320 --> 01:08:07.220
He's continuing in a metaphorical

01:08:07.220 --> 01:08:09.000
language describing that. When the keepers

01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:11.140
of the house tremble and the strong men stoop

01:08:12.180 --> 01:08:12.940
so in other

01:08:12.940 --> 01:08:15.040
words, you're not standing up straight

01:08:15.040 --> 01:08:16.880
anymore. You can do that. You're getting old.

01:08:17.060 --> 01:08:18.740
You're stooped over. When the

01:08:18.740 --> 01:08:21.120
grinders cease because they are few

01:08:21.120 --> 01:08:22.840
so the people who work

01:08:22.840 --> 01:08:24.900
in the grinding in the mill work

01:08:24.900 --> 01:08:27.040
and stuff. They're dying off. There's very few of you

01:08:27.040 --> 01:08:28.920
left. You've stopped doing that

01:08:28.920 --> 01:08:30.900
work yourself. And those looking

01:08:30.900 --> 01:08:33.000
through the windows grow dim.

01:08:33.300 --> 01:08:35.080
You know, life's coming to an end. That's what he's

01:08:35.080 --> 01:08:36.840
trying to describe here in a metaphorical

01:08:36.840 --> 01:08:38.740
language. When the doors to the street

01:08:38.740 --> 01:08:40.660
are closed, you're not going out

01:08:40.660 --> 01:08:42.860
for runs anymore and the sound

01:08:42.860 --> 01:08:44.780
of the grinding fades. When men rise

01:08:44.780 --> 01:08:46.900
up at the sound of birds, but all

01:08:46.900 --> 01:08:48.300
their songs grow faint.

01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:50.560
When men are afraid of heights

01:08:51.080 --> 01:08:52.840
and of dangers in the streets

01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:54.640
when the

01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:56.740
the thing of men are being

01:08:56.740 --> 01:08:58.900
afraid of heights. I used to run

01:08:58.900 --> 01:09:00.580
up and down ladders like it's no deal.

01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:04.720
And I go slower now because

01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:06.640
I don't bounce

01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:08.800
like I used to. You know, there's

01:09:08.800 --> 01:09:10.720
a time or two I've fallen off

01:09:10.720 --> 01:09:12.620
and it's like, well, you get up and shake it off

01:09:12.620 --> 01:09:12.800
and

01:09:15.220 --> 01:09:16.760
it wasn't too many years ago

01:09:16.760 --> 01:09:18.660
I didn't fall from that high, but I fell off

01:09:18.660 --> 01:09:19.440
and it's less like a

01:09:19.440 --> 01:09:22.780
and you don't get up so fast like

01:09:23.180 --> 01:09:25.000
oh, I never used

01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:25.820
to hurt like that.

01:09:26.580 --> 01:09:28.780
Well, that's what he's talking

01:09:28.780 --> 01:09:30.760
about here. When men are afraid of heights

01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:32.460
and of dangers in the streets

01:09:32.460 --> 01:09:34.680
when the almond tree blossoms and the grasshopper

01:09:34.680 --> 01:09:36.320
drags himself along and the desire

01:09:36.320 --> 01:09:38.000
no longer is stirred. See, so

01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:40.220
everything's getting old. It's dying.

01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:42.500
Then man goes to his

01:09:42.500 --> 01:09:43.480
eternal home

01:09:44.300 --> 01:09:46.240
and mourners, because he died,

01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:48.620
go about the streets. So they're mourning for him because he died.

01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:50.120
Remember

01:09:50.120 --> 01:09:50.700
him

01:09:51.900 --> 01:09:54.180
before the silver cord is

01:09:55.080 --> 01:09:55.640
severed

01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:57.940
or the golden bowl is broken.

01:09:58.260 --> 01:10:00.460
I don't know what the golden bowl means.

01:10:00.460 --> 01:10:02.320
No one's ever helped me with that.

01:10:02.380 --> 01:10:03.160
I don't know what that means.

01:10:04.160 --> 01:10:06.380
But when the silver cord is severed

01:10:06.380 --> 01:10:08.540
the man dies. He leaves his body

01:10:09.240 --> 01:10:10.360
before the picture

01:10:10.360 --> 01:10:12.600
is shattered at the spring

01:10:12.600 --> 01:10:14.640
or the wheel broken at the well.

01:10:14.820 --> 01:10:16.540
So what he's basically saying

01:10:17.140 --> 01:10:18.480
the body dies.

01:10:18.740 --> 01:10:20.600
You come out. Verse 7

01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:22.180
and the dust returns to the ground

01:10:22.180 --> 01:10:24.380
it came from and the spirit returns to God

01:10:24.380 --> 01:10:24.980
who gave it.

01:10:26.380 --> 01:10:28.020
And then he goes into his

01:10:28.020 --> 01:10:29.400
depressive chant.

01:10:30.320 --> 01:10:32.140
Meaningless, meaningless says the teacher

01:10:32.140 --> 01:10:33.160
everything is meaningless.

01:10:33.980 --> 01:10:36.100
I mean, my opinion Solomon

01:10:36.100 --> 01:10:37.960
was suffering huge depression

01:10:37.960 --> 01:10:39.660
before he died.

01:10:40.040 --> 01:10:41.500
Because everything was meaningless

01:10:41.500 --> 01:10:43.480
and if anybody knew it's not all meaningless

01:10:43.480 --> 01:10:45.200
it should have been him. So he was given

01:10:46.440 --> 01:10:47.860
wisdom above all things.

01:10:48.220 --> 01:10:49.600
But the whole thing there

01:10:49.600 --> 01:10:51.340
it's describing somebody dying

01:10:51.340 --> 01:10:53.820
and one specific thing is the silver cord gets broke

01:10:53.820 --> 01:10:54.600
it gets cut.

01:10:54.600 --> 01:10:56.660
Fort gets cut and before

01:10:56.660 --> 01:10:59.020
the golden bowl gets broken

01:10:59.020 --> 01:11:01.060
I don't know what the golden bowl is

01:11:01.060 --> 01:11:02.220
I don't know what he's talking about there

01:11:02.220 --> 01:11:04.040
it must be something spiritual.

01:11:05.380 --> 01:11:06.660
I just I've never

01:11:06.660 --> 01:11:08.520
heard anybody address it and I have no idea

01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:10.260
Dave you got a thought on that

01:11:10.260 --> 01:11:12.000
we got a mic coming your direction

01:11:12.820 --> 01:11:13.980
but there is the

01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:16.800
scriptural reference to the silver cord

01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:18.760
is part of what keeps us in our body

01:11:18.760 --> 01:11:19.920
and keeps us alive

01:11:20.380 --> 01:11:22.340
and once that's broken then

01:11:22.340 --> 01:11:24.200
we go the body goes back to dust

01:11:24.200 --> 01:11:25.520
and the spirit goes back to God

01:11:26.100 --> 01:11:27.260
or otherwise.

01:11:27.900 --> 01:11:28.800
The only reference

01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:31.560
scriptural reference that I remember

01:11:32.380 --> 01:11:33.420
the only other

01:11:34.900 --> 01:11:35.840
reference I remember

01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:37.780
regarding golden bowl is in

01:11:38.180 --> 01:11:40.020
Revelation. The golden bowls

01:11:40.020 --> 01:11:42.460
of incense which are the righteous acts

01:11:42.460 --> 01:11:43.000
of the saints.

01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:45.660
Oh that's good.

01:11:47.660 --> 01:11:49.600
Because once we're out of the body

01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:51.520
there's no more righteous acts

01:11:51.520 --> 01:11:53.060
in our body. It's done. It's broken.

01:11:54.240 --> 01:11:55.480
I'm going to have to write that down

01:11:55.480 --> 01:11:56.980
as a cross reference. That could be

01:11:57.680 --> 01:11:58.740
that could be it.

01:12:00.120 --> 01:12:01.640
Yeah. Once they die there's

01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:02.880
no more righteous acts to do.

01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:04.360
Golden Bowl is broken.

01:12:04.860 --> 01:12:07.260
Huh. That's simple.

01:12:08.660 --> 01:12:09.500
Could be it.

01:12:10.300 --> 01:12:11.200
Anybody else got anything?

01:12:12.100 --> 01:12:13.680
Go ahead. I looked this up on the phone

01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:15.440
and it says the golden bowl is

01:12:15.440 --> 01:12:17.400
the container where the seed

01:12:17.400 --> 01:12:19.300
of life enters in order

01:12:19.300 --> 01:12:21.180
to awaken our spirit.

01:12:22.020 --> 01:12:23.620
It is the place life

01:12:23.620 --> 01:12:24.840
flows out of.

01:12:25.400 --> 01:12:26.340
It is our being.

01:12:26.940 --> 01:12:29.060
Being is holy of holies.

01:12:29.260 --> 01:12:30.860
To this day it has been

01:12:32.120 --> 01:12:33.380
taught in biblical

01:12:33.380 --> 01:12:34.980
seminars that are

01:12:34.980 --> 01:12:37.220
I don't even know what that word is.

01:12:39.200 --> 01:12:42.420
T-R-I-P-A-R-T-I-T-E

01:12:42.420 --> 01:12:43.540
being is similar

01:12:43.540 --> 01:12:45.680
to Moses tabernacle

01:12:45.680 --> 01:12:46.540
in the Old Testament.

01:12:47.160 --> 01:12:49.080
What is the website that that

01:12:49.080 --> 01:12:50.480
what's the address you're at?

01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:56.320
Yeah. I just typed

01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:57.480
in...

01:13:02.780 --> 01:13:05.180
The spiritual man of the golden bowl

01:13:05.180 --> 01:13:07.680
Amazon S3

01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:09.720
So it's probably

01:13:09.720 --> 01:13:11.100
a book. It's referencing a book.

01:13:11.360 --> 01:13:12.420
Huh. That's interesting.

01:13:13.240 --> 01:13:13.960
That's good.

01:13:15.140 --> 01:13:17.580
If anybody wants to get the book, it's probably on Amazon.

01:13:19.740 --> 01:13:20.940
What is it on Amazon?

01:13:21.660 --> 01:13:21.780
Yeah.

01:13:22.300 --> 01:13:23.720
Anybody else got anything you want

01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:25.080
to chat about before we're done?

01:13:26.320 --> 01:13:27.620
Again, we're running late

01:13:27.620 --> 01:13:29.000
but doesn't seem to bother anybody.

01:13:29.300 --> 01:13:31.160
I just wanted to come back to that fear thing

01:13:31.160 --> 01:13:32.580
she was talking about. Yep.

01:13:32.960 --> 01:13:35.200
And I think no matter what

01:13:35.200 --> 01:13:37.300
I mean when you're out in the woods

01:13:37.300 --> 01:13:38.780
you get surprised

01:13:38.780 --> 01:13:41.160
like you talk about the hair stand up

01:13:41.160 --> 01:13:42.940
on the back here. That's a fear thing.

01:13:43.080 --> 01:13:44.740
Yep. And it comes out of your body.

01:13:44.740 --> 01:13:46.600
Right. But you got to

01:13:47.200 --> 01:13:48.420
calm it back down

01:13:48.420 --> 01:13:49.780
and then take control.

01:13:50.660 --> 01:13:52.300
But you're never going to get rid of that.

01:13:52.380 --> 01:13:53.040
That's an instinct.

01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:55.820
It's a fallen nature thing.

01:13:56.060 --> 01:13:57.440
It's a fallen body thing.

01:13:58.820 --> 01:14:00.800
If we in our spirit man

01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:02.940
and in our soul are not fearful

01:14:03.420 --> 01:14:04.720
you can get rid of that.

01:14:05.340 --> 01:14:07.240
You know, you're out in the woods

01:14:07.240 --> 01:14:08.440
in the dark and all of a sudden

01:14:08.440 --> 01:14:10.340
something comes up and who?

01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:12.560
You jump? It's like, ah, well

01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:12.780
whatever.

01:14:14.160 --> 01:14:16.320
Someone who struggles with fear

01:14:16.320 --> 01:14:17.100
in them

01:14:19.780 --> 01:14:21.860
they'll run off screaming like a girl.

01:14:22.180 --> 01:14:22.760
Maybe they are girls.

01:14:25.260 --> 01:14:26.140
It's because

01:14:26.140 --> 01:14:27.660
they themselves are fearful.

01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:29.160
They're feeling the fear of their body

01:14:29.160 --> 01:14:30.800
but they themselves are fearful.

01:14:32.820 --> 01:14:33.740
So that, yeah, good

01:14:34.580 --> 01:14:35.740
question, good thought.

01:14:38.420 --> 01:14:40.000
In dealing with someone once

01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:42.200
with deliverance

01:14:42.200 --> 01:14:43.120
they said that

01:14:43.120 --> 01:14:45.020
something had come on them

01:14:45.020 --> 01:14:47.040
that the Holy Spirit was telling them

01:14:47.040 --> 01:14:49.600
that it came on them because of an uncle

01:14:49.600 --> 01:14:51.760
who had drank blood in some

01:14:51.760 --> 01:14:53.700
service. Generational thing?

01:14:54.460 --> 01:14:56.200
So it was like an uncle

01:14:56.200 --> 01:14:57.640
not a father. So can that?

01:14:58.540 --> 01:14:59.580
It's in the family.

01:14:59.980 --> 01:15:01.180
So it's jumping.

01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:03.180
Yeah, it's jumping.

01:15:03.860 --> 01:15:05.820
And it's following

01:15:05.820 --> 01:15:08.160
down one side of the family

01:15:08.160 --> 01:15:10.260
and they just happen to get picked.

01:15:12.380 --> 01:15:13.680
While the mic is moving

01:15:13.680 --> 01:15:14.780
let me answer this question.

01:15:14.940 --> 01:15:17.040
If fear is caused by a trauma

01:15:17.780 --> 01:15:19.560
how do you deal with this?

01:15:20.380 --> 01:15:21.580
Again, I would go back

01:15:21.580 --> 01:15:23.320
to the series we have on fear

01:15:23.320 --> 01:15:24.240
and the subconscious

01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:27.000
because trauma

01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:29.740
let me back up one

01:15:29.740 --> 01:15:31.100
or two steps before I answer it.

01:15:31.540 --> 01:15:33.740
The subconscious which is the database

01:15:33.740 --> 01:15:35.860
it just keeps all memories

01:15:35.860 --> 01:15:38.160
it keeps everything that's happened to us

01:15:38.160 --> 01:15:39.360
it's all stored there

01:15:39.360 --> 01:15:42.340
but the thing they've discovered about the subconscious

01:15:42.340 --> 01:15:43.480
is

01:15:44.500 --> 01:15:45.760
the God

01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:47.620
characteristic it has

01:15:47.620 --> 01:15:49.700
is everything in the subconscious

01:15:49.700 --> 01:15:50.960
is in the present

01:15:51.860 --> 01:15:52.760
it's now.

01:15:53.740 --> 01:15:55.240
So if they had trauma

01:15:55.240 --> 01:15:56.440
20 years ago

01:15:56.440 --> 01:16:00.180
unless that subconscious or that memory

01:16:00.180 --> 01:16:01.640
is given a

01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:03.860
a reality check

01:16:03.860 --> 01:16:05.780
that this happened

01:16:05.780 --> 01:16:08.120
a long time ago it's not happening

01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:09.280
now.

01:16:10.480 --> 01:16:11.900
When that memory

01:16:11.900 --> 01:16:13.020
comes forward

01:16:13.820 --> 01:16:15.640
they will relive it

01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:17.620
like it's happening now. Have you ever been around

01:16:17.620 --> 01:16:20.300
people with trauma and something triggers that trauma

01:16:20.300 --> 01:16:21.780
and they go back

01:16:21.780 --> 01:16:23.840
into it and stop hitting me

01:16:23.840 --> 01:16:26.040
no, no, stop it, stop it

01:16:26.040 --> 01:16:27.980
and the trauma came up

01:16:27.980 --> 01:16:30.000
and they could be an adult

01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:31.520
and this happened when they were a child

01:16:31.520 --> 01:16:33.260
but the subconscious

01:16:33.260 --> 01:16:35.360
doesn't know it's not

01:16:35.360 --> 01:16:37.820
happening now. It's a memory

01:16:37.820 --> 01:16:39.360
but the subconscious

01:16:39.360 --> 01:16:41.640
doesn't know it's a memory it's just information

01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:43.560
and it's information that's happening

01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:43.980
now

01:16:44.860 --> 01:16:47.700
until you give it a reality check

01:16:47.700 --> 01:16:49.840
so to answer the question

01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:51.660
if fear is caused by a trauma

01:16:51.660 --> 01:16:53.000
how do you deal with this

01:16:53.510 --> 01:16:55.500
the first thing you do is you talk

01:16:55.500 --> 01:16:57.380
to yourself renew your mind

01:16:57.380 --> 01:16:59.280
tell yourself

01:16:59.280 --> 01:17:01.240
this memory

01:17:01.240 --> 01:17:02.460
is a memory

01:17:02.460 --> 01:17:04.680
this happened 20, whatever

01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:06.720
30, 40, 50 years ago

01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:07.660
this happened

01:17:07.660 --> 01:17:10.480
it's not happening now

01:17:10.480 --> 01:17:11.420
we're safe

01:17:11.420 --> 01:17:13.220
I'm safe

01:17:13.220 --> 01:17:16.220
that person who did that might be dead already

01:17:16.220 --> 01:17:18.560
they might live in Florida

01:17:18.910 --> 01:17:19.980
they're not here

01:17:19.980 --> 01:17:21.840
this is not happening now

01:17:23.340 --> 01:17:24.500
and that

01:17:24.500 --> 01:17:27.120
will put the subconscious trauma

01:17:27.120 --> 01:17:28.640
to rest

01:17:28.640 --> 01:17:30.140
to where it's not

01:17:30.960 --> 01:17:33.640
like it's not in torment anymore

01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:35.320
the mind is not being

01:17:35.320 --> 01:17:37.400
tormented by something that happened in the past

01:17:37.400 --> 01:17:38.940
it'll just relax

01:17:38.940 --> 01:17:40.380
it'll calm down, it's like okay

01:17:41.280 --> 01:17:43.420
and when you remember it

01:17:43.420 --> 01:17:44.840
people with trauma

01:17:44.840 --> 01:17:47.060
who the subconscious thinks it's happening now

01:17:47.060 --> 01:17:48.880
when they remember it

01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:50.960
the emotion of

01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:52.600
that comes up

01:17:53.120 --> 01:17:55.300
like for instance the example I just gave you

01:17:55.300 --> 01:17:57.760
which that happened a few years ago

01:17:57.760 --> 01:17:58.000
but

01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:01.440
sometimes

01:18:01.440 --> 01:18:02.920
people mistake that for a demon

01:18:02.920 --> 01:18:04.780
the emotion gets triggered

01:18:04.780 --> 01:18:07.540
and this person reverted back to a child

01:18:07.540 --> 01:18:09.360
and was acting like a child

01:18:09.360 --> 01:18:10.440
and trying to protect themselves

01:18:10.440 --> 01:18:12.600
stop hitting me, they were in the dream

01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:13.820
they were in their memory

01:18:13.820 --> 01:18:16.020
stop hitting me, no, no, no

01:18:16.020 --> 01:18:17.060
I don't hate you

01:18:17.060 --> 01:18:18.540
and they're carrying on

01:18:19.660 --> 01:18:22.220
it's a demon, it's not a demon at all

01:18:22.220 --> 01:18:23.920
they were

01:18:23.920 --> 01:18:26.120
reliving the trauma

01:18:26.120 --> 01:18:27.500
because it got triggered

01:18:28.940 --> 01:18:30.300
once that got

01:18:30.300 --> 01:18:32.340
put into place, you are a

01:18:32.340 --> 01:18:34.400
grown woman, this happened

01:18:34.400 --> 01:18:35.660
I don't remember how many years previous

01:18:35.660 --> 01:18:37.920
when you were a child, you're not a child anymore

01:18:37.920 --> 01:18:40.620
separate those two, you're safe now

01:18:40.620 --> 01:18:42.000
this is just a memory

01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:42.800
back there

01:18:43.440 --> 01:18:45.220
of course they had to calm down the adrenaline

01:18:45.220 --> 01:18:46.820
had to go away and everything

01:18:46.820 --> 01:18:49.860
but the days and weeks after I'd ask them

01:18:49.860 --> 01:18:51.400
I'd say now when you remember it now

01:18:51.400 --> 01:18:52.560
is the emotion still there?

01:18:53.040 --> 01:18:54.780
no, the emotion is gone

01:18:54.780 --> 01:18:57.000
I can remember everything that was said and done

01:18:57.000 --> 01:19:00.020
very clearly, but now it's like

01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:01.600
a memory

01:19:02.640 --> 01:19:03.120
before

01:19:03.120 --> 01:19:05.260
with the emotion that came in everything

01:19:05.260 --> 01:19:06.780
it's like I was reliving it

01:19:07.680 --> 01:19:09.000
that's just a subconscious

01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:10.860
doesn't know where to put this information

01:19:11.380 --> 01:19:13.140
and you can have nightmares out of that

01:19:13.140 --> 01:19:14.760
all kinds of stuff come out of that

01:19:15.700 --> 01:19:17.200
so to answer that question

01:19:17.200 --> 01:19:19.080
if fear is caused by a trauma

01:19:20.460 --> 01:19:21.510
number one

01:19:21.860 --> 01:19:23.060
I would start with

01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:25.160
dealing with

01:19:25.160 --> 01:19:27.360
the subconscious and getting a

01:19:27.360 --> 01:19:28.640
reality check there

01:19:30.240 --> 01:19:31.500
and then there might be

01:19:31.500 --> 01:19:33.580
remember the session we talked about

01:19:33.580 --> 01:19:35.300
wounds and lies

01:19:35.300 --> 01:19:36.340
and pain

01:19:36.890 --> 01:19:37.800
demons live in that

01:19:38.940 --> 01:19:41.360
so if you were traumatized

01:19:41.360 --> 01:19:42.760
they sucked to that like

01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:45.180
flies to peanut butter sandwich

01:19:45.180 --> 01:19:47.660
There's so much laying outside, you know. Here's something.

01:19:48.900 --> 01:19:52.320
So if you deal with the trauma, then you just get rid of them.

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And it's not hard. God, I submit myself to you. And whatever happened back there with that person, I forgive them.

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That's between you and them. And any demonic thing here, just get out of here. I'm done with you.

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That quick, that easy, they're gone. They got nothing to hold on to anymore.

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It doesn't have to be a big drawn out deliverance. This is actually really easy to do.

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But, yeah.

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Maybe you're going to be talking about it in the next session, but panic attacks.

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I was thinking about that with parents that have had severe trauma and now it's manifesting in their children

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and they haven't experienced the trauma. Would that be demonic? Would that be generational?

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Would that be...

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Knowing how much we have to cover in the last session, I'll talk about it right now.

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That can go many directions. And I know that because Mary has done more study in that area.

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For instance, some of the things that our children do, it's because we trained them to be that way.

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They watched mom or dad live that way and they just picked it up and became like them.

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Like for instance, if you have a parent that's very fearful, if you have any number of children,

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you're going to produce one or two of them that's going to be very fearful.

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And they really have nothing to be afraid of, but they watched mom and dad be afraid all the time.

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So, you know, it can be trained.

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They have proven in the DNA there's memories that can transfer from previous generations

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to where in your DNA you're actually remembering something that someone else did or experienced.

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They've proven that now. It's fairly new research, but they've proven that now.

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The human body is just an amazing, amazing thing.

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We used to always think, well, that's spiritual.

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Well, it could be. It could be a familiar spirit.

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But it could be memory of something that a parent experienced or did.

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They've also proven that if a parent is struggling with something, when the child,

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especially the mother, when the child is in the womb, the child can pick up the same weaknesses.

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It just goes right into their DNA.

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So, if a mother is in trauma of some kind when she's carrying a child,

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that child will live out different realms of trauma.

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Like, for instance, I'm thinking of one example right now,

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where the husband was abusive with the wife when the wife was carrying the child.

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The child, for no reason, just seems to have a bad temper.

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I mean, they just got a bad temper.

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And they can just go off and get mean for no reason.

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That could be attached to, that's what that child was experiencing in the womb.

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And mom was traumatized, the child was traumatized,

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and that's the child's way of protecting itself now.

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And it goes back to what happened while it was in the womb.

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There can be numerous reasons for it.

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And that's the same thing when we talk about mental health and casting out demons.

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That's a messy thing now, because it's so fashionable to have mental health

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and to be on some kind of pills.

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You know, it's almost like it's in style.

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I see my therapist and my psychologist and now I'm on these three things.

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And it's like, do you realize that those three things are mind-altering drugs?

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No, they just helped me with my depression.

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How do they help you with your depression?

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You know, like for instance, when we were doing therapeutic foster care years ago,

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we had a big week therapist who was part doctor.

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They had studied doctoring, this, that, and the other.

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And we were, we were at odds because the child that we had that therapist for

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had behavioral issues.

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And the behavioral issues were just some bad attitudes and some wounds

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and things that had accumulated over the years.

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Well, their solution was XYZ drug.

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And I said, so you're going to control them with drugs?

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Well, it's not really control.

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I said, okay, so let's call it what it really is.

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You're going to alter the way they think.

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This is a mind control thing.

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Well, I wouldn't use that approach.

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I said, so what is it?

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Well, it's just going to help them calm down

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and it's going to help them be more at peace

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and they won't be quite as impulsive.

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I said, because you're drugging them.

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You're drugging their mind.

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They didn't like that.

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Because we're helping them.

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Well, see now it's fashionable.

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So you've got somebody who's got a demon sitting here

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and the demon's manifesting.

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But the person themself doesn't have control over their own mind.

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Because they're on XYZ, two, three different kinds of drugs.

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They've got mental illness.

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They've got whatever.

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It gets so messy.

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So we're going to talk about that last session,

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but it kind of goes the same thing.

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What do you do with that?

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I still struggle with that.

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You know, you have mental illness.

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That's one thing.

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And then you've got mental illness mixed with sorcery.

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Pharmakia.

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I was going to say pharmacot... whatever.

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Pharmakia.

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Sorcery. That's what Revelation calls drugs.

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Pharmakia.

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It's where we get the word pharmacists from.

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Drugs. It's witchcraft.

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So you've got, and it's called,

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King James calls it sorcery.

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So you've got someone with mental weakness

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mixed with sorcery who has demons.

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So what are you going to do with that?

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Well, I've heard people say,

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well, the guy with legion had mental weakness.

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Yeah, but he wasn't into sorcery.

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He wasn't on five different medications.

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He was just mentally weak.

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He had problems and he had demons.

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That's what that is.

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So when Jesus cast out the demons,

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then he was able to heal them.

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And that can still happen,

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even though you have mental weakness

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and you're involved with sorcery.

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But it seems to throw a curve ball in there somehow.

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And it gets difficult to deal with.

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Because sometimes you're not talking to the person.

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You're talking to the drug.

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Mary will say this.

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I wasn't talking to the person in that prayer line.

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I was talking to the drug.

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I could tell the difference.

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So what do you mean the drug?

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Well, their mind is altered by the drug.

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It's being affected by the drug.

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Whether it's a prescription drug or otherwise,

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their mind is being affected by the drug.

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And when you ask them questions,

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the answer that comes is the drug.

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It's not them.

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It's the drug speaking.

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I said, was the drug the drug or is the drug a demon?

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She said, I don't know.

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Sometimes I think it's a demon because of the drug.

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And then other times it's the drug.

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For instance, if you have ever been

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on any prescription medication

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and someone asks you a question

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and you're taking something huge,

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a huge thing for pain or something,

01:27:34.380 --> 01:27:35.200
oxycodone or whatever,

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and someone asks you a question,

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you feel fine,

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but you can give the dumbest answers.

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Have you ever noticed that?

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Where were you?

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What do you mean, where was I?

01:27:49.060 --> 01:27:50.160
I'm just asking, where were you?

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Well, the car broke down

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and then I think a dog ran under it

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and she's like, what?

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You're not even making any sense.

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Oh, yeah, I am.

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No, you're not speaking.

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The drug is speaking.

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You're drugged up.

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The thoughts are not connecting.

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They're all scrambled.

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So you're speaking out of that scrambled egg mess there

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and you're not making any sense.

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That's what she means by the drug is speaking.

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Well, if you've got the scrambled drug mess here

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and a demon is speaking out of them,

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now which one is it?

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Is it the scrambled mess speaking?

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Is it the demon speaking?

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If we get rid of the demon,

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do they have the mental wherewithal

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under that drug's influence to hold their own temple?

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A bunch of questions come in.

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So we're going to talk about that a little bit more in depth.

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I don't think I have a really good answer,

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but we'll talk about it when I can give the answer

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and it'll maybe make more sense.

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Hopefully as time goes on, I'll learn more about

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how do you deal with the spirit realm

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when you're dealing with drugs?

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It's like trying to cast demons out of a drunk person.

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You know, there again, they're under a mind-altering drug.

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They're drunk. They're under a mind-altering drug.

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And you try to cast...

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Have anybody ever tried to cast demons out of a drunk person?

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It does not work.

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It's like... they just... they'll make a fool out of you.

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And I think it's partially because the person

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is so incapacitated that they just...

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they got free for all.

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It's just a weird realm to operate in.

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Sometimes when demons get cast out,

01:29:36.220 --> 01:29:38.260
they're sober just like that. Boom.

01:29:39.380 --> 01:29:42.700
Had that happened to where you pray for them

01:29:43.260 --> 01:29:45.240
and in the name of Jesus, this thing has to go

01:29:45.240 --> 01:29:47.020
and poof, the person's sober.

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And it's like, wow.

01:29:48.980 --> 01:29:51.460
But I think that's necessary to keep the demon out.

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They have to have their wits about them

01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:58.920
to submit themselves to God and resist this.

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And if they're in La La Land, they can't do that.

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It's just... it's a weird realm.

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Are we done? Let's call that it for the night.

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One more and we'll finish this up.