Thank you, Father, for loving us enough to give your son.
Thank you, Father, for wanting us to succeed and be victorious enough you gave us your spirit.
And we are here tonight in gratefulness and thankfulness, asking that,
Lord, you're the master of the church, you just do with this night what you want done,
the way you want to just do your will.
Holy Spirit, lead us into it. In Jesus' name, amen.
Amen.
Well, welcome to the last class.
Here we go.
We got a lot of stuff that we won't get covered, but we're going to try to cover as much of it as we can.
I want to thank you, because this has been a, you know, I didn't expect it to go this long.
And I want to thank you for sticking with it.
You know, we had a core group of people here and we have a core group of people online who have just stuck with this all the way through.
In fact, some of the comments I'm getting is, can't we just keep it going for a while longer?
And it's like, well, my plan is in the fall, Mary's going to do a healing school and she's going to break it up.
She'll start in the fall. She's going to break it up into like six or eight week segments.
And that'll probably go through most of the winter.
Well, some place in there, I'm planning on plugging in like six weeks on demonology.
This has been more about deliverance and getting free, staying free,
but it really hasn't been an in-depth study on demons and what they do and how they act, etc.
That can be helpful to this because it can help us recognize them.
So at some point, I don't know how to go in the fall or early next year, January or something,
we'll come back and we will try to, from scripture, give the absolute best description of demons that we can,
which may help us recognize some things.
It will be a couple of months before I finish the book with all the handouts and stuff we've been doing here in this lack section.
Last section, I will let you know when it's done.
We have a number of topics to cover tonight.
So you might have to hold your questions, write them down.
And I will be giving you a handout if you don't have something, take notes on or whatever, you could write them on that.
But write them down because we're not going to take the time throughout to answer them.
We'll shove all the questions here and anything that comes in from online.
We've had a lot of questions come in from online for tonight.
So that's going to absorb a chunk of time.
But anything that comes in now, and you can still text them to me, 7-6-3-7-4-2-5-4-7-4.
And since you're running to get your paper, I'll give you a second, I'll repeat it.
And you can text them in if you want to.
And we're going to cover what we can and get what we can do.
Now there's a number of topics I know we won't get covered.
So what we're going to do there is I will just list them to you.
So that if you say, well, I wish he'd covered this topic yet.
Well, I want those to come in because I can put them in the book.
But if I already listed it, then you don't have to tell me
or if you have a specific angle on it you won't covered.
All right, are you ready with your pen?
7-6-3-7-4-2-5-4-7-4.
If you get a question during the evening, since this is the last class,
go ahead and text it in right away.
And we'll see if we get to it at the end.
I will stay as late as these people are willing to stay.
We might be done by 9.
I don't know how long they're willing to stay.
So we'll see how this goes.
There's one thing I feel like I need to say,
and this is for the feeling I get is this is for someone
or a few people might be online,
might be people who watch this in the future.
I don't know, but I feel like I need to talk to someone about this
and clarify some things.
I've had many experiences over the years.
Most of them I can't share.
And I can't give the stories on them for a couple of reasons.
One is a lot of times people just misunderstand.
And then it gets a little bit goofy.
And the second one is they can cause fear.
So if you haven't beat your fear yet,
and I share some of these stories,
it's just going to ramp it up and that won't help you.
But the thing I want to say is this.
Don't be afraid of odd happenings.
When you're doing deliverance stuff,
odd stuff will happen.
And you're going to experience some of this.
And it can cause many questions in you.
So because many times we shrink back from something
that we've never seen or heard,
or I've never seen anything or heard anything like this before,
we'll shrink back from it.
Don't do that.
Because you're going to be cutting the person short
that you're trying to help.
So the next mistake we make is we talk to people about it,
which is not wrong,
but you're going to talk to people about it
who've never done deliverance.
And they're going to throw you straight in the ditch.
Because they're going to give you advice
out of no experience or knowledge whatsoever.
And that is going to go haywire on you
because if it's odd to you,
it's going to really be odd to them
unless they've been through that kind of thing before.
If they haven't been through it
and experienced similar kind of situations,
all they're going to do is undermine the validity
of what you experienced, what happened,
which will throw you into unbelief and doubt.
And then the greatest example I can give of that
is the story I gave when that first person
we got involved with that first person
and we couldn't get the demon out
and then my senior pastor
called the district and asked for help.
All they did was undermine
what we were trying to do.
There is no demon in this person.
This person's saved. They cannot have a demon.
They're a Christian. Christians can't have demons.
They have psychological problems.
You need to just back away from this.
This is going to go bad for you.
Time we were done listening to their input,
of which, to my knowledge,
nobody at the district office
had ever cast out a demon.
Or somebody would have had a little better advice
than that one.
That's just like about the bottom
as you can go on advice.
And all it did was cause us
by the time we came out of that,
we were just sitting there, our heads were spinning
in unbelief of like, well, maybe we are all messed up.
So watch out for that
because odd happenings will take place.
See if you can find someone
who has had some experience in deliverance.
Talk to them.
Don't just grab somebody
because it, you know,
even the people you think should know better
don't always know better.
The Bible, let me just give a reality check here.
The Bible is a book written by the Holy Spirit
about the experiences of men and women.
What we consider doctrine
was somebody else's experience with God.
You know, Abraham was called
out of the Ur of Caldees.
He was called into a land
that God said, I will give to you in your descendants.
If you bless them,
whoever blesses them will be blessed.
Whoever curses them will be cursed.
We have a doctrine on that.
Do not curse Israel.
And then we go into the promised land
and now God makes a covenant with Abraham.
And he's the father of faith
and we are his children by faith.
And we have a huge realm
of the New Testament and doctrine
that is based on
Abraham's experience
with what God did in his life.
Sometimes we look at doctrine
and it's like, well, this is just solid
because it's in the Word of God.
We'll back up two steps
and you're going to find out
this was somebody's experience.
They had an interaction with God
and it was an interaction
that the Holy Spirit wanted us,
that God wanted us to remember
so it was written down
and it's in the Bible.
And we can learn from it,
we can grow from it.
But it was somebody's experience.
You're going to have experiences
experiences.
That's okay.
Now they all need to align with the Word.
We're not going to come up
with the new Bible now.
They all need to align with the Word.
But everything that God does
in our life
has to become
experientially relevant.
Not just a belief.
We can believe ourselves
straight to hell.
The demons believe
and tremble.
But they're not very well off
for their belief.
It has to be experientially
relevant to us.
So realize
God has given us all the information
in the scripture we need
for life and godliness
and we're going to have to dig
to make some of the things
understandable, some of our
happenings, odd events that happen
to see where they're at in the scripture.
But always
to stay on track
to not get off in the ditch
and end up in deception.
You must align your experiences
with the Word.
You must.
If they're contrary to the Word
it wasn't God.
If you don't hold yourself to that
you're going to end up in the ditch
really hard.
But realize something in this.
Again, the hidden and secret
things of scripture are not
easily seen.
You will need to look
for some things
diligently.
And just be honest
and don't take scripture and twist it
to try to fit your situation
because you'll end up in deception
and air there too.
If it's in there
it'll be obvious to you
when he shows it to you.
But for instance, I'll just give you an example of that.
We've talked about this so I'm using examples
that we've talked about so I don't take much time on.
When I had that
situation where that demon
supposedly got saved
that was an experience.
That was an odd happening.
There's only one way
to find out if that's God or not. It has to be
in the Word.
I had never
seen anything in the Word
concerning that.
Read it through multiple, multiple, multiple times.
Never seen anything
in the Word concerning that. I didn't think it was possible.
Till it happened
then now what do I do with this?
But you know what? Once
we went to the Word
and really started searching
it is so
obvious
it's like how could we miss this?
I mean in Colossians
too it flat out says it
that salvation
goes beyond mankind.
God's grace is big enough to cover
the spirit realm.
Jesus' sacrifice was big enough
to cover the spirit realm.
Not just human race.
Everybody.
I'd never seen that before. Never in my life
had I seen that.
So you're going to have odd happenings.
You're going to have to go to the Word to find out
if you're in the ditch or you're still on the road.
But when you go to the Word
don't twist it.
But if you're on the
road you will find
something in there that flat
out shows you yes this is
God or no this is not God.
So
I'll just and these will all be in the booklet
but some principles to follow to keep yourself on
track when experiencing some of these new
weird things.
Number one love God with all
your heart soul mind and strength.
If anything happens to start causing your
love for God to wane back up
and
they will demons will go after
it. People
will go after it.
It's just Christians can be odd.
I don't know why they do it but
I have theories but
if in the
process you find yourself loving God
less not more
back up.
Like that first 18 to 24 month experience
I had. I came out of
that with
a number of things
that were beyond anything
I had ever experienced. Number one my love
for God increased a hundred fold.
My ability to hear the
voice of the spirit went from
1 to 15
on a scale of 10.
My dedication
to be
obedient and sacrifice
no matter what
became
paramount. There was no
this thing of
this principle
came out of that. Many times
Christians think we have the right
to choose to sin or not to sin.
Well, because
some Christians do it, you know
I have friends that do it and they're fine
you can't say they're not going to have it.
So if they're going
fine I mean don't judge
who are you to judge me
I can go do this too if I want.
Show me in Scripture
any place where sin is ever
an option
ever an option.
But we live in the
American church
where it is an option.
We have young people
growing up in the church
saved, baptized in the Holy Spirit
and they live with their
prospective partner a year or two or
three years before they ever marry them.
Now can I just be blunt?
What the heck are you doing?
Oh don't judge me
I'm under grace.
During that first 18
to 24 months
that principle was
ground into me.
Sin is never an option
don't make an excuse for sin.
It is never an option.
Well that's forgiveness later.
What makes you think he's going to forgive you?
I have a message on that
that I'm about ready to deliver
but that's a different thought. Okay, so number one
love God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.
Number two learn to hear the Holy Spirit.
Remember he is our greatest teacher
and counselor, not man.
Stay off your phone
and get talking to God.
Get talking to the Holy Spirit.
Your greatest counselor is the Holy Spirit
not a person.
Now if you can find someone who's experienced
and this can help mentor you, that's good
but listen to the Holy Spirit first.
Number three be sensitive
to follow the Holy Spirit.
He educates us
and gives us knowledge as we continue
to move. If we lock up and say
I'm not doing this any further
then everything shuts down right there.
You've got to be sensitive to follow him. Number four
be quick to repent.
Good news, you will
make mistakes.
Good news
it's already bought and paid for.
Put it under the blood
and move on.
If you think you're going to go into a deliverance
kind of setting and never make a mistake
you're pretty arrogant.
Because it's a whole realm
we know so little about
but yet we know how to do it.
I could ask you
15 questions off the top of my head
about deliverance and getting people free
that none of you would have an answer for
but yet we know how
to do deliverance.
So
be quick to repent
you will make mistakes
and then following that. Number five
take a humble posture
don't take
the know it all attitude
take a humble posture
with God
and with people
even when you have to take a stand
against people
try to do it humbly
not arrogantly like
I know what I'm doing
who are you to question me?
Don't do that
take a humble stance
be humble with God
be humble with man
and the last point number six
I believe it is
realize the foundation
of this whole thing
is built upon this
realize
admit and live from the perspective
I don't know very much
period
period there
realize
admit
own it
And live from the perspective, I don't know very much, especially when it comes to deliverance and demons.
It is a world, a realm that is far greater than this physical realm, and we really know a speck of it.
We don't know how it operates. We don't know how it's organized. We really don't know very much.
It is purely by God's grace that He's given us the name of Jesus and said,
Here, just use this. It'll take care of it. You don't need to know it all because we really don't know very much.
And the sooner we own that, because if... let me say it this way, principle, here's the road, walkie in it.
The word is a lamp to my feet. We're trying to stay on the road. You got a ditch on each side.
So when it comes to deliverance, the devil's going to try to drag you into the ditch of,
I'm not capable. I don't know what I'm doing. I can't do this. What if something bad happens?
All that stuff can try to drag you over here to stop you from doing any deliverance.
If he can't get you into that ditch, he will try to push you into the opposite one.
Which is, I know exactly what I'm doing. I've cast out three demons and everybody should come to me
because I know what I'm doing from total inadequacy to pride.
If he can get you in either ditch, he's got you. Because all you have to do is start thinking and believing,
I know it. And all of a sudden they'll quit obeying you. Why? Because you're in sin.
So just realize, we really don't know very much. And I know it's hard on the ego, but it's good.
It's supposed to die anyway. So we've had numerous questions come in.
So I'm going to run questions till about eight o'clock. Then we're going to go to the handout
because we've got to deal with unresolved anger. And then I'll come back and finish the questions
after the unresolved anger handout and then we'll open up for anything new.
So first question that came in, most of these came in online.
Is there any, or I should say from viewers online, is there anything that could have prevented
your initial 18 to 24 month experience, that first introduction and deliverance?
Well, I'm going to answer it this way. Hopefully it makes sense.
Maybe for some things, and yes for some things.
So in other words, maybe something could have prevented some of that.
And some things, yeah, some of that could have been prevented.
Some biblical working knowledge of deliverance would have been so helpful.
I grew up in a full gospel church. I'd never heard one even sermon,
much less a class on deliverance. I never heard one.
I went through Bible college four years, got my bachelor's.
Probably should have went for my master's, might have helped me.
I don't know, got my bachelor's. Not one class was about deliverance.
So I knew nothing. So some biblical working knowledge of deliverance would have helped.
Number two, an on-site mentor. Somebody who I could pick up the phone
and they were a half an hour, an hour away, who had actually done deliverance
and could hear the voice of the spirit, would have made the difference from day and night.
Day and night would have made the difference.
The only person I had lived north side of Minneapolis.
That was depending upon traffic back then five to six hours.
You know, you can thank God he was there.
You know, you can get some stuff covered by phone.
But somebody who can say, I will be there in an hour.
Hang on.
Oh, that would have made the difference between night and day right there.
But there was nobody.
Because if I'd had somebody come and I'd have said,
I am going to sit to the side now and let you do this.
What that would have done for me is given me some experiential faith.
There's a difference between doctrinal faith and experiential faith.
Doctrinal faith is when the Lord takes the reema
and he reveals to us what we should believe
and we need to get solid on it.
This is what I believe.
Experiential faith is when you take what you believe and you make it work.
That's a whole different world.
We believe God paid for all of our healing.
But are we living in complete full health?
See, it's all faith.
But one is doctrinal and the other is experiential.
I would have loved to see somebody do it.
Now, we came over to Minneapolis a couple of times.
Because, I mean, we just hit a wall.
We couldn't get anywhere.
So we came over and got some help.
It was good.
I learned a lot.
But it wasn't enough.
So that would have made a big difference.
So, yes, there are some things that could have helped.
And now let's look at the maybes.
I was thrown into a very difficult situation
in that early years period of time.
Most of which I can't share.
I can't go there for the reasons I already gave.
Even with the few things I do know now,
if I was put back in that same situation,
it would be really tough.
And may take some time to get the person free.
Because of the situation I was in.
So, would have it helped?
Well, some things, yes.
Some things, maybe.
Because this was a very difficult situation
with a number of people.
One person.
I'll give you an example.
I can share this.
One person, as we were...
You know, it's like you...
I used the hornet's nest before.
Let me do this.
If you have a beehive in the ground
and you need to get to the queen,
you know the hives there.
When you peel off the first layer of dirt
and you see the hive,
things get nasty.
Because they don't want you going in any deeper.
One particular individual.
We peeled off the dirt,
saw the hive,
and we were working at cleaning out the hive.
You know, it goes layer by layer.
Trying to get into the depth of it.
Again, I didn't know enough about strong men
and that kind of stuff.
I just didn't know.
But while we were working that process,
there was a...
a few week period of time
I had to be with the person 24 hours a day.
They couldn't...
they couldn't leave the church
or they couldn't leave the parsonage
because...
I'll give you an example.
You're driving down the road.
You drive past the bar.
You drive past the nightclub.
Anything that is kind of a concentration of sin,
anything.
All of a sudden, demons came up in this person.
And we did everything we knew how to stop that.
Pray it over them.
Took authority before we left.
Listening to Christian music,
quoting scripture,
and pretty soon, they're cussing.
And I'm going to kill this person
and they're...
trying to throw him out the door.
That was the first experience.
Trying to throw him out the door.
We're going down the road 55 miles an hour.
Trying to throw him out the door.
And I'm hanging on to them
so they can't get out the door
and trying to pull over to the side of the road.
Get stopped so I can deal with this.
A mentor would have helped,
but in that situation,
what do you do?
You just got pushed through it.
And there was numerous different things like that
that took place.
And who do you go for to help on that?
I ask questions and it's like,
well, you got to get it under control.
Well, I don't know how to get it under control.
Well, you're going to have to get it under control.
Right now, it's kind of running you in circles.
Well, I know that.
And you just have to grow through that.
It's the way it is.
And those are odd situations.
Odd happenings.
You're walking in, let's use,
was it Walmart, but you're walking in a grocery store
because you have to go get groceries.
This person can't leave your side.
So you're walking through a grocery store
and it's you and your spouse and this person.
And all of a sudden,
right in the aisle, they just pass out.
Boom!
They're just out like...
laying in the aisle.
Okay, the first thing they want to do is call 911.
That's the last thing you need to do right there.
Our hospitals are not safe spiritual ground.
There's a lot of witches and warlocks who work at hospitals.
A lot of them.
Can't do that.
Well, what are we going to do?
Well, so you're down there trying not to embarrass the person,
trying not to draw too much attention,
trying to get the...
because the demons playing games with you.
Trying to find a way to get the person away from you
so they can kill him.
And in fact,
in this one particular situation,
before some of this stuff happened,
there were...
and again, this might seem freaky to you, is what it is.
An angel came to me and said,
under no circumstances,
let this person go to the hospital.
You have to take this by face.
If they end up in the hospital, they will be dead.
There's people already waiting for them.
Who will kill them?
So, okay, hospital's not an option.
So you got to take it by face.
So you're down there in Walmart in the Isle.
It wasn't Walmart, but we'll use that example.
Trying to command this demon to go down
without drawing too much attention
so the person can wake back up and go,
oh, I must have fainted.
Okay, let's get you back up
and let's finish walking through the store.
See, now they couldn't leave my side
because if they left my side,
they'd have went to the grocery store wherever.
It would have fainted, 911 would have been called.
Bingo, we're in the hospital.
And if, and I'll always put if there,
if what the angel said was accurate,
they're dead.
That's on me because I was told,
don't let that happen.
So you're going to have weird stuff happen.
Some of it, yeah, could have been prevented
if I'd have known more, had more help.
Others, it's just like you got to power your way through it.
It didn't take long.
I wandered out of the situation.
As you can imagine, it's like,
how in the world did I get roped into this?
This can't go on.
And over and over and over,
the only thing the Holy Spirit would say
is the Father is asking you to do this.
That's all I get.
There's got to be somebody I can ship.
There's people who know deliverance.
We can find somebody.
The Father is asking you to do this.
What do you do?
Do your best to obey.
And as a result,
huge miracles.
I mean, when you're in those situations,
God will never let you drown
if you're honestly trying to tread water.
You think you're drowning,
but God won't let you drown.
I mean, huge miracles.
I saw miracles during that period of time
that I've never seen since.
And I don't know how
a bunch of stuff happened other than
God was having mercy on me
and giving grace to them
and helping them getting set free.
There was one person.
Their friend called me.
They and their friend were together.
And they came to the top of a flight of stairs.
And the person...
I don't remember exactly how it played out.
Something about the person said,
don't push me. Stop pushing me.
And with that, phew!
Pushed right over the edge of the flight of stairs.
Boom, boom, boom.
It was like 20-some steps.
The old hard wood ones.
Boom, boom, boom.
Got to the bottom.
Broke collarbone.
So they called me.
And then a demon was up.
So then the friend,
that's before we had these.
The friend ran to a phone.
Called me.
Here's where we're at.
Can you come help us?
There's a demon up.
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I think she broke a bone and etc.
So I run...
Get over there.
As quick as I can.
And they're sitting at the bottom of the steps.
And yeah, this demon is just...
arrogant as all can be.
See what I did?
You're God.
He's supposed to protect you.
Well, your God didn't protect this.
Look what I did.
Just arrogant, you know.
And you can't let questions get started
in your own head.
Because if they get started,
you're going to lose your faith.
So I cast the demon out.
Well, here I'm sitting with someone
who's got a broke collarbone.
It wasn't through the skin,
but it was protruding, you know,
out, pushing the skin out.
I mean, it was obvious.
We have a broken collarbone.
You know.
Make matters worse, this was a minor.
So I said, God,
this is a bad situation.
And I just laid my hand on the collarbone.
I said, God, in Jesus' name,
I'm asking, heal us.
I heard it crack.
Just...
And I lifted my hand.
Totally gone.
All the pain was gone.
Everything was gone.
And I'm going,
wow.
Never seen that before.
So there was all kinds of stuff like that.
But I didn't understand,
you know, why would they get allowed
to throw them down the steps?
You get a thousand questions
around this stuff.
And you start asking the wrong people,
you're going to get all the wrong answers.
You just have to keep pushing forward
and get what you can get from God.
So there was that first question.
This one kind of goes with it.
Looking back at what you now know,
what happened with you
that started you in deliverance.
So looking back to that beginning
period of my life,
could you have done anything different
to prevent it from happening the way it did?
Yes, absolutely.
Do what the denominational
leaders told me to do.
Commit the person
to a psychiatric hospital
and walk away.
That would have prevented it all.
I wouldn't have had a hassle whatsoever.
Do nothing.
Don't get involved.
But
when the Holy Spirit
deep down in your heart is saying
the Father has asked you to do this,
how do you walk away from that?
I wanted to.
I haven't had the name,
the number of a psychiatric hospital
in Illinois or Ohio
that specialized
in Christian
demonic stuff, quote unquote.
I was that close.
So
looking back, could have I done something
to prevent it? Yeah, not do it.
Other than that, there's nothing you can do to prevent it.
You just got to do it.
Just go through it. Number three.
Have you looked back and seen you've
done things wrong in deliverance?
If yes, what approach do you take
on, you know, you look back,
you've seen things you've done wrong.
If you've seen things you've done wrong,
what approach do you take on it now?
Yes.
I can look back and see hundreds of times
I've done things wrong.
I mean, it's just
there's not a book on it.
You learn as you go.
Every situation is different.
Can you look back
in your Christian life
living for God
and see things you've done wrong?
And we've got a book on it.
And we still
mess up.
So yeah, what approach do you take
on it? You cannot get under
condemnation and carry it or it will shut you down.
You repent,
you learn and grow, and you just keep
going.
You cannot get under condom.
Well, I should never do this because I made
some mistakes and this isn't working well.
And now the person got hurt and now they're angry
at me.
That will take you right out.
You repent,
ask their forgiveness, try to
learn from it and grow, and you just keep
doing what God asked you to do.
This is an interesting
question. Number four.
Since you've been
pastoring in Minnesota, is there a demon
that you've confronted here
that you've never seen
anywhere else?
Isn't that an odd question?
It's like, huh,
that's an interesting question.
You know what the interesting part is? The answer
is yes, there's one that I've never
experienced, I didn't experience
when I lived in North Dakota,
I didn't experience when I lived in Wisconsin, never experienced
in Colorado. But I've experienced
it here numerous times.
And I'm
going to give it a funny name.
It's not the real name.
But I'm going to give it a funny name to start
with, because it'll maybe help you recognize it.
It's
the smiling in the face of
horrific situations.
Demon.
It's the best way I can describe it.
My husband
was coming home from work today
and a guy ran into him, could have killed him.
See,
something about that smile and that situation
are not the same.
You know
the other night, I got so sick
I had to go to the hospital, they said I could
have died.
And they just look at you and smile.
And it's like, you know,
your head goes, what's wrong with you?
That isn't
anything to smile about.
Why are you smiling?
But, it's
hiding behind a smile
when there's nothing to smile about.
It's a demon of
deception.
And that's how it manifests.
It's very
secretive and it hides things.
And they're
giving you a piece of the story
but they're not giving you the whole
story.
I'll give you an example. There's a difference
between saying what's true
and saying the truth.
There's a huge
difference.
I was
driving home
and I don't know
what happened. I just
seemed like I lost control
and I was in the
ditch and ruined my car.
Pastor, is the church
help financially? I got to
have a new car and I didn't have full coverage on it
so what do we do?
That story could
absolutely be true.
But now let me give
you the details of the truth.
I was driving home
it was raining
heavily.
I should have slowed down
but I was in a hurry.
So I was driving fast
and a deer jumped out
and I swerved to miss it, lost control
and wrecked my car.
Well see the first
version is true
but it's really not the truth.
Here's the truth.
Pastor, I got so sick
I ended up in the hospital
I could have died.
Okay, now tell me what's really going on.
What did you have?
What did they diagnose?
And what are you doing
in your life
that God has already said stop
doing that but you're still doing it
and it was a contributing factor
to this. Give me the truth.
That demon won't give you the truth
unless you really push on it.
It hides behind the smile.
Isn't it great?
I could have died.
Isn't it great?
My husband could have died.
No, it's not great.
We need to get to bottom of this.
This isn't the blessing of God.
This is a curse in action.
Somehow you're under the wrong flow.
Quit smiling about it.
You're hiding something.
It's a demon of deception.
They might try to be
private or whatever
but there's a demon there.
I'm going to call it a demon of deception.
I have never seen that one
until we moved here.
And I've seen it numerous times here.
It's kind of a pattern
so I won't say any more than that
but I've seen it
numerous people here
carry that demon.
I don't know what that's about
but it is what it is.
Number five.
What is the worst demon
you've ever faced?
Hands down religious demons.
It's not demons of adultery.
It's not demons of alcohol.
It's not demons of suicide.
It's not demons of murder.
Hands down it's religious demons.
The reason for it is you can't
get a handle on them.
You can't grab them
because the person's beliefs,
the person's teaching
act as a blocker
from you being able to grab it.
And when the demon's up
and you're talking to it
and you go, this is a religious demon
that's tied in with this
and you make it go down and bring the person back
and say, here is what we're dealing with.
We've got to renounce some stuff.
They will argue with you
why this can't be
a demon or can't be right,
can't be the real reason
because they know what they believe.
They've got their doctrines.
You can't do anything with it
because it will just
laugh at you.
They want me here.
Well, yeah, with their erroneous belief system,
doctrines, they do.
So that's the worst. It's a Pharisee
scribes kind of thing.
You just... Jesus didn't cast
any demons out of the Pharisees of the scribes.
You ever notice that? Not one.
Because they didn't have any.
According to them.
They didn't have any.
So why would they need deliverance?
And even if he would have tried,
he would have gotten nowhere
because submit yourself to God
resists the devil
and he will flee.
Religious demons have people
so convinced they're right
they will not renounce
and submit.
They just won't go there.
See, you don't make any progress with them.
Number six.
What do you do with a Christian who you suspect
or know has demons
but they don't recognize it?
They don't know.
Well, you pray.
Because you can't talk them into it.
Especially if they're Christians
because chances are you're going to hit
smack dab against the religious spirit
and that's going to be a wall to you.
Pray they realize it.
It comes to them.
The Holy Spirit is able to convince them
to show them
and they come to the realization
something's wrong here.
I need some help.
Or pray and
or pray that the Holy Spirit
just brings it up.
He'll do that.
Gets in the anointing and all of a sudden
this person's manifesting.
And as somebody you would have never guessed
then they would have never guessed many times.
But they're manifesting.
And that's not to embarrass anybody.
That's the mercy of God.
Bringing something up
that needs to be dealt with
that is unrecognized.
So it's not a bad thing. It's a good thing.
But that's about the only thing you can do
is pray that God convinces them personally
or that God brings it up.
Number seven.
Do you always get everyone free
of demons when you're trying to cast them out?
No.
Don't. I haven't
gotten everybody free.
The reason for that is the person
you're praying for
has more to do with this
than the person who's praying.
If one of you
has some kind of demons that
you want out
and we're praying for you
remember
the reason it's
there is tied into sin
somehow.
I had one person tell me this.
Generational spirit.
Got a generational spirit.
We got to renounce and cut off
all generational stuff.
My parents
never had
a sin problem.
If anybody
was holy
it was mom and dad.
So you're not going to renounce anything.
There's nothing to renounce in my family line.
Well, you're done.
You're done right there.
You can't go anywhere.
You'll never get them free
until they lose their loyalty
to mom and dad and get real.
And you know once people are gone
it's worse than when they're here.
As long as they're still here you can see
their imperfections living out in front of you.
Once they're gone some people
tend to idolize
their parents.
And they did nothing wrong ever.
And that was the case.
So we could
pray our eyes out.
That demon will never leave.
Because they have to do James 4-7.
And right now they're hanging onto it
out of their own pride.
Or if somebody's not willing
to come clean of some kind of sin
or whatever.
Remember James 4-7
worked beautifully.
But James 4-7
is built on the submission of the heart.
It's not a silver bullet.
That you can just
go around shooting people with
and boom they're free.
This is a hard issue.
Submit yourself
to God.
That's a hard issue.
Resist the devil
or the things of that kingdom.
You're going to
need to stop
which is you something simple.
Yelling at your wife.
You got to stop the walking around the house
raging.
Breaking things.
Punching things.
Kicking the dog.
You're going to have to grow.
I don't see where it's a problem.
She's the dumb one.
That demon will never leave.
Because they're not
resisting it.
They're embracing it.
They like it for whatever reason.
So it's James 4-7
is not a silver bullet.
But it does work beautifully
if the person is working in agreement with you.
So the person has more
to do with their deliverance than you do.
In reality.
Keep that in mind.
Because there's times you don't get things
out of people and you feel like
the biggest failure that ever walked
the face of the earth.
Remember.
They have more to do with this
than you do. It's their body.
It's their temple. It's their life.
You're just coming alongside to try to deal with something with them.
So just keep that in mind.
What is the weirdest
or most shocking things
and they had to put an S on it.
Not thing. Things.
You've had happen in deliverance.
To me.
And this is purely subjective.
To me the most weird things
I've had happen are the poltergeist
manifestations.
Poltergeist is the word used
to express when the spirit realm
manifests in the physical realm
somehow.
And
God does this.
That's why they can do it. God does this.
The Holy Spirit.
His angels and so forth.
Things from the spirit realm
will manifest in our realm.
We pray for it on a daily basis, hopefully.
On a weekly basis
and church, hopefully.
You know, if you're praying for healing
you're praying for something in the spirit realm
to manifest in the physical realm.
So this should be a very
common thing
that can take place.
Another example is
supernatural
transportation.
Being here
and the next moment you're there.
Like happened with Philip.
He was
transported back
to where he needed to go after he dealt with
the Ethiopian eunuch.
Supernatural transportation. Well God does
that not only with people, God does that
with things.
I'll give you one example.
We were working on this building.
This was in 2012. We were working on
this building and that was a hectic
year. That was a hard year.
And there was something really important
that I needed. I was at home
and I believe
it was morning and I was coming over
and there was something really important
that I needed that was laying on the
countertop. Because I laid it there
because you're not going to forget this. You need
this today.
I'm almost all the way over here.
Oh man.
I forgot it.
It's still laying
on the countertop. I never brought it
with. I thought, well,
whatever. Maybe somebody else is coming.
I'll get a hold of Mary, see if she can bring it.
Whatever.
I come in here. I go into that
mechanical room and it's laying
in there.
And I know for a fact
it was laying on my
countertop at home.
And there it is. And I'm going
Yeah, that was
you.
That was you. You just
helping me out here a little bit.
Supernatural transportation.
Well, God's kingdom can do
it. So guess what?
If that's the spiritual law, then the kingdom of darkness
is going to try to imitate that and play
with that also. And you will get
manifestations of stuff
that can get weird.
Stuff floating
floating through the house, floating
around the room.
You're praying deliverance
on somebody. You had your Bible
right here on the end table
and now you need a scripture and you reach
for it and it's gone.
Where to go?
You find it in a bathtub
or some strange place.
Those things just get weird.
I've shared a few other
things with you on that
like the person being drugged
down the hallway and stuff like that.
Just weird stuff.
It's typically tied to
generational
sins of the father's familiar spirit
stuff. That's why they have
more ability or more power
to operate.
It typically goes back a few generations
and that's where they're gaining their strength.
And another thing I found
is really good to bind a strong man.
It really helps in these kind of situations
when you're dealing with that person.
Because this is all distractions. This is all to scare you.
I had shared
so they wanted the things
I'll give you three of the weirdest things that
has happened to me. I shared the
story of the knife that was thrown at me that bounced
and I shared that, remember that
early on I shared that.
I won't share that again.
Did I share the one where a person was stabbed
with a knife?
In the stomach.
That was really weird too.
And again, God just did an awesome
miracle just to
out of mercy on me and grace
for them.
It was the same person that they were trying
to throw out of the car, that same person.
So
they're with me 24-7.
So
as my memory says
we were in the living room.
I was sitting in the couch.
They were sitting on the chair.
I had to go to the bathroom. So I went to the bathroom
came back. They're still sitting on the chair.
I think they were watching TV or something.
And I'm
on the couch.
Went back from the same spot
and all of a sudden I saw this demon come up.
You can just see it.
And this demon comes up
and got this big grin.
Now
I'm going to kill her
and I will win.
Reach down
underneath the cushion
of the chair and pulled out
this butcher knife.
How did it get there?
I'm guessing when I went to the bathroom
the person, it came up and the person
blocked him out, went to the kitchen, got the butcher knife,
came back, hit it.
So it could make its big spiel.
How great and wonderful I am as a demon
because I'm going to accomplish
this.
That was weird.
Weirder yet was
watching them get stabbed
and then totally healed.
Did I tell you about
the first experience? I had this also
involve the knife. First experience
I had when
this was really early on.
When someone
came to the house
for help
actually it was the apartment at that point.
Came to the apartment for help
and
they went to the kitchen drawer and grabbed the knife.
Did I share that one with you?
Don't remember that one? Couple of nodding yes.
Most of you are nodding no.
So let me quickly share that one.
So they come to the apartment, they sit down
my wife and I are there and we are talking to this person
and all of a sudden the demon comes up
and starts just harassing us.
So I go, you have no power
or authority over us.
Well I'm going to kill you and kill both of you.
No. It doesn't work that way
and on and on and on.
And
finally it got ticked off
or whatever so the person jumps up
runs into the kitchen grabs
a butcher knife. Biggest thing
they can find in the drawer comes back
now I'm going to cut
you up.
Well that took me off guard.
I'm early
on in this and it's like, should this be happening right?
I don't think this should be happening.
So I, you know, start taking authority
over it, commanding it to drop the knife
nothing. Just nothing.
So I thought, well if it's coming
at me, I had a
not this kind of Bible, I had
still the pages Bible.
So I grabbed my Bible. I thought, well I'm going to
I'm going to stand here looking cool and calm
but if it comes at me I'm going to try to protect
myself from the knife and let it stab the Bible.
Okay.
So I'm trying to think ahead a little bit here.
Well I noticed
as I was holding the Bible
if I moved it at all
it couldn't keep its eyes off of it.
If I just moved the Bible
like this it would look
and that happened two, three times
and the Holy Spirit was faithful.
He said, use that.
So I switched hands
and as I
switched hands it's just like
it couldn't keep its eyes off the Bible.
It hated the Bible. It was just cussing
and cursing the book. Why are you holding
the book? It's a worthless book.
Jesus is dead. He never rose from the
and you're just cursing the Bible.
So I switched hands and it's like it was just
glued, watching me, watching the Bible.
So I took the Bible and I held it out like this
and it's just riveted on it
and I dropped it.
Boom! As it hits
the floor they're just fully looking like this.
I grabbed the arm.
Got the arm in the air.
But in this case, the demon
was exhibiting some strength through the person
and I couldn't get the knife away.
It wasn't all that
strong, but strong enough
I couldn't get the knife away.
So I told my
spouse, get
the head pastor over here. I need help.
I'll never forget the look
in his face. There I'm standing, probably
five minutes, holding his hand in the air
with a knife in it and there's demons in this person right here
just cussing me out, you know.
He walks in.
The shocked look
in his face was like
how did you get into this mess?
What was the
look on his face?
But
we went on and got it reconciled
and got it dealt with.
you will have
bizarre things happen. Hopefully
none of you have a knife experience.
I'm just, I'm good if I never
have another one in my life.
But you will have
bizarre things happen that are poltergeist
things. Doors banging.
Middle of the night
the doorbell. Ding ding ding ding
ding ding ding. You go
the screen door standing wide open.
That's odd.
Two in the morning, whatever it was.
You go flip the light on, look out the window.
There's nobody out there and the screen door standing open. Ding ding
ding ding ding ding.
You open the door, screen door standing
open and they go doorbell ding. Then somebody
is holding the button. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding.
Well, by this point
we were far enough into it. We knew what that was.
So you just take authority over it. Get out of here.
You know, dealt with it.
Screen door closes. Doorbell quits ringing.
Close the door. Go back to bed.
After a while you kind of get used to it.
Because all they are trying to do is
instill fear.
And if you
talk to anybody
who has no experience in this
about what's happening
they will help instill fear
because they're going to be afraid themselves.
And their advice is going to be
you better get out of that situation.
And they'll go all these fear scenarios
of how this could really go bad.
Be careful who you talk to. But
yeah, all kinds
of poltergeist stuff. That's the weirdest to me.
They're cussing at you.
They're telling you
all kinds of stuff. Whatever.
But when
manifestations start happening
that can get weird.
Number nine. So I'm not quite halfway
through the questions yet. We're coming up on eight.
I have 21 questions I think.
Number nine.
If you could give one piece of advice
to somebody or someone going into
deliverance ministry what would it be?
I can't give
just one piece of advice.
I guess. James four
seven would be the closest
I could get to. Here's one thing you
must know. It'd be that.
But I'll give you a couple of thoughts.
I've got a few written down here.
Number one. If you're going to do
deliverance
you cannot play spiritual
games in your own
personal life.
To your knowledge
you personally have
to be a hundred percent submitted
to God
or these things are going to turn
your deliverance sessions into a circus.
The first thing they will do is act
like they're leaving but they don't
because you don't have the authority to kick them out because you're in sin
yourself.
And that's the first game they'll play.
And then from there
just kind of spirals down.
So number one you can't play games
in your own spiritual personal life.
You've got to be a hundred percent
submitted to God. Number two
be ready to give up a lot of things
other Christians are doing in their ignorance.
Do you know how I could shut down
my ability to cast out a demon?
I've never tried it but it's something I just know
all I'd have to do.
Start celebrating Halloween.
It would be over.
I would never cast another demon
until I repented of that
and came back to the stance
God told me to take.
And you can't believe
the grief we've been
given, not by unbelievers.
You know the thing that's crazy
is unbelievers don't really care.
Oh, you don't celebrate
Halloween?
That's cool. We do. Whatever. They go on.
Christians
turn it into this huge theological
debate right away.
It's like, well what is
it of your business? Who cares?
Well somehow it's
their business because they're Christians
and they're going to prove to you
it's okay. I can't celebrate
this.
This is a me and God thing.
You can go
do whatever you want.
When you get to heaven we're going to find out
you were wrong.
But for now I can't convince you
because you got a religious spirit
and you're going to defend it to your death.
So why should I
waste my breath trying to convince you?
Heart
issues, heart attitudes
you got to keep your heart clean.
A lot of Christians
walk around with their chip on their
shoulder towards people. They live that way.
You cannot be a deliverance person
and do that. You've got to learn to
forgive, move on, forget about it.
If you carry a chip it will shut
it down. It just
it just works that way.
Addictions
You know
the first thing we reach for is
alcohol and drugs.
There's a lot of addictions
besides alcohol and drugs.
If you
are addicted
you're going to struggle to do deliverance
because addiction
Romans 6, 7 and 8 we just looked at
a couple weeks ago
is you personally
are under the power
of something.
That will really
hamper your ability to help someone
else who's under the power of
something.
And if you're in a kind of a
deliverance where demons never come up
and talk to you, you can probably get by with it.
People don't get free, but you can
get by with it. If you get yourself
in a position where demons come up and start
telling you why you can't do this
the first thing they will point
out to you is your addiction.
You
are a hypocrite.
Had that told to me
you are a hypocrite, you
Christian hypocrites.
I said I'm not a hypocrite.
You have no authority over me.
We
have control over you.
You do not.
Here it came.
Well then stop doing this.
They pointed out my addiction.
You said what do you mean for an addiction?
Some people are addicted to exercise.
They have to
exercise on a daily basis.
Or they lose their peace. They lose their
self-worth. Anything that
controls you that you can't
stop
and be at peace
and be fine is an addiction.
Chocolate cake
can be an addiction.
You know Christians we have
our white sins
and we have our black sins.
And when we talk about addictions
we all turn and look at the black
sins. Oh yeah
those people. They really
need to stop that
while
we're struggling
to go a half a day
to start a day
without coffee.
And then we even
make it
to me it's like
wow that's close to blasphemy. I've walked into
some churches where they make
little sayings trying to make coffee
scriptural.
I was in one in South Dakota
you know we're on vacation going to church
and they got a nice coffee bar. I spent a few bucks
on that nice coffee bar. Right above it it said
holy grounds.
And it's like
okay
you're feeding people's addictions
and you're calling it holy.
So when I say addictions
it can be anything.
Anything that is controlling you
you're not in control of it.
And I know the famous line is why you can stop anytime
I want to. Well then do it.
Knock it off for a year
just let her go.
Well I don't know if I want to.
There you go.
Because you're addicted.
You have to
be ready to give
some things up the average Christian
will live with
because they don't have the insight
the revelation you do
and God's going to require things of you
to operate in this.
Healing ministry is the same thing.
Any focused ministry
I just read something about
Catherine Coleman just
last couple weeks.
And
I don't know if she made the
statement or somebody who was near
her made the statement
but they were talking about
the awesome miracles
that
were happening in her ministry
or happened in her ministry
and then at the end they said
and it cost her
everything.
It cost her everything
for those
to keep happening.
And everything is
everything.
But we were planning to go on a
vacation. God says no.
You don't go on that vacation.
How can it be a sin to go on vacation?
Because God said no.
Vacation is not a sin.
But when God says no, it becomes one
if you disobey.
You have to die to
everything.
Just the way it works.
Piece of advice to someone
going into
Deliverance ministry.
Focus on growth in faith
and hearing God's voice.
Make those too in extreme
focus to grow in faith
and hear God's voice.
Another point, deal with your own fear
as quickly as you can.
Deal with your own fear
and anything else
God will bring to your attention.
And he will bring things to your attention.
You have to deal with them as quickly as possible
or they get in the way.
And
here's my last
point.
Well, I'll make this one my second to last.
Now
there's some good resources out there
that can help you including
Deliverance Ministries.
Back when I got into this thing
42 years ago
43 almost
the only book on demons
I could get ahold of was Pigs in the Parlor.
It's the only one I could find.
There was nothing out there.
And the next...
Well, there's people who deal with people with demons
they're in psychiatric hospitals.
That was the next up.
There wasn't... I mean stop and think back
to 1980, 81.
How many deliverance ministries did you know of?
Now there were people doing deliverance.
That's been since Jesus.
But I'm talking
a place you could go to
to get resources
and help. I couldn't find any.
So now it's a whole lot better.
And since they're there
use some good resources. Abail yourself of them.
So here's the last point I've got.
If you're going to step into any kind
of specialized ministry specifically
Deliverance Ministry
realize you are becoming a target.
You just have painted a huge
target
on you
and your family.
This isn't glamorous.
This isn't exciting
to begin with. It's looked at that way.
But after you're in it, it is not
glamorous or exciting.
There's a price you're going to pay to do this.
And the
once you start
shooting at
and killing some of the enemy
they will
shoot back.
Surprise, surprise.
And if they can't beat you
face on
they'll sniper you out.
They'll do whatever they can.
And you and your family
will come under attack.
My children have faced things they would
have never faced had I not gotten into
Deliverance Ministry.
It's just the way it is.
People with demons
mostly Christians
will criticize you
turn others against you, undermine you
judge you, lie about you.
The whole thing kind of just falls under the banner of persecution.
But it's not
the unsaved who do it. It's the Christians
who do it. You've got a target
on your back and the demons in them
will turn
on you.
And I've had numerous people that I know
have demons tell me
you know there's some days I just hate you.
Everything that wells
up inside of me is
is I just hate you. I wish you'd die
and go away.
But I realize it's wrong
so I ask God to help me with that.
And I'm going
yeah it's wrong but this goes a little deeper
than wrong.
We have a problem here.
But if I told them
you know what the core of that is?
You've got demons.
Some of, most people get very
incensed. I do not.
Yeah.
Well the average person doesn't think
that way. You know it's
people will hate you who have no reason
to hate you.
Because you're on enemy
ground and they've got demons.
So that's number 10.
We'll get to number 10
when we come back. Now we're going to do
hand out. We got to get through this tonight.
Guys can I have you
help me with this?
Let's see.
I better not.
Can you write it down or remember it?
Please. Because if I get
sidetracked I know how this goes.
It's like a ball of yarn
and you start pulling it. It's just
going to keep coming.
And I can't get sidetracked
or we're not going to get through some
things we have to get through.
This piece right here we have to get
through. It says
revisiting the two main ways
demons gain access to humans.
You should have this available to you
online under messages.
Go there. You should have this
in a PDF format if you want to look at it
that way. Otherwise you can follow it on the screen
for now and get it later.
We've already talked about this
but I want to look at it from another perspective.
Paul talks about it again in Ephesians
4, 27. We're told
not to give place or give a foothold
or leave room for the devil.
And we'll see that in the three translations
down here. We've already
seen how this is done by
getting involved with sin.
You can give place to demons
by getting involved
in sin. I mean we've talked about that
over and over and over. Sin is the
core. Sin is the legal right.
So that's one way.
So I'm not going to go back into that. I want to go
into the second way Paul brings up.
He adds a new piece of information
here in Ephesians 4. And this
was one of those experiential
things that happened that I had
to go to the scripture and find
is this even true?
This comes out of that
night early on
when
there was a group of us and we were asking
what gives you the right to be here
and the only way they could describe it
is there is an empty space
or they called it a live hole
in the person's temple.
And that's what gives them the right.
And they couldn't figure out
why it was there or they
were refusing to say why it was there.
But there was a hole
and
when there's a hole we move in
because we want a body.
So here is the scripture on that.
Ephesians 4, out of the
amplified, when angry do not sin
do not ever let your wrath or your
exasperation, your fury, your indignation
last until the sun goes down.
Now the way we approach
that is
and again trying to just
give some rules and guidelines
if the sun is setting
when you're having a knock down drag out
fight with somebody and you're angry
you know. If you can solve that
before the sun goes down, more power to you
but a lot of times we can't.
So we at that point
I come from the perspective you've got 24 hours
to resolve this.
If it started
at 2 in the afternoon and you were done by
3 in the afternoon, if it's winter
you've got about an hour and a half
4.30 the sun sets.
If it's summer you've got a little bit more time
to work your way through this. It sets a little later.
So my whole point is if you're going to get
in a good fight do it after the sun set
so it gives you more time to work.
I'm just messing with you.
But it comes out of the way this is worded.
Don't stay angry until the sun
goes down.
Well, 24 hours max
you've got to deal with this.
Leave no such room.
Well in the amplified
such room is referring back
to your anger that's not resolved.
That becomes
room or foot hold
for the devil. Don't give him
that opportunity. So unresolved
anger is
a possible foot hold for the devil.
Now in the NIV it says this way.
In your anger do not sin.
Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry
and
do not give the devil a foot hold.
So the way it's worded there
it's like well anger could give the devil
a foot hold but then and
do not give the devil a foot hold.
Well there could be other things that give the devil a foot hold
which we know.
King James is kind of the same thing.
Neither give place to the devil.
So don't let the sun go down
you got to resolve your anger.
Neither
give place to the devil.
Again it could be your anger that's giving
place to the devil or it could be
something else that's giving
place to the devil but just don't
give place to the devil.
So we've talked about the first one a lot.
We're going to talk about this one here tonight.
Most of the translations bear out the same thought.
We are able to give the devil access
to and place in our lives there in verse 27.
And the one way we do it
is verse 26, unresolved anger.
Page number two.
We've looked at the first principle that deals with us
being able to give the devil
or the kingdom of darkness access to our life.
It's personal sin or generational sin.
And we've also looked
at how agreement can open up
to the demonic realm and the transference
of spirits. Those are the three basic
areas where we're involved
and we can deal with this.
But here now Paul is adding
one more, unresolved anger.
So unresolved anger is talking
about anger that has been handled
incorrectly. There's a right way
and a wrong way to handle anger.
Remember, anger in itself
is not sin.
When I was growing up I was taught
do not be angry.
Stop sinning.
That's not scriptural.
Scripture says in your anger
do not sin.
If anger
is sin, God is a sinner.
Because God gets angry.
It's the mishandling
of anger that makes it sin.
So let's get a running start
on this because you'll see it better
if we read a number of scriptures.
We're going to start at verse 14.
Then we will no longer
be infants tossed back and forth
by the waves and blown here and there
by every wind of teaching
and by the cunning and craftiness
of men and their deceitful scheming.
Now I didn't look it up, but my memory says
he just got done talking about the
five-fold anointing and what
they're supposed to produce.
They're supposed to mature us.
So then we will no longer be infants
and goes on.
Instead, speaking
the truth and love. So in verse 14
let me back up.
Being moved around by all kinds of different
kinds of teaching and men
and their cunning, getting a hold
of you and etc.
Not God.
Verse 15.
Instead, speaking the truth and love
we will in all things
grow up into him who is the head.
That is Christ. So now let me make
a comment to you that was made to me
just in the last couple of weeks.
Someone said, if we as Christians
would be honest with what we see
in other Christians' lives
I think we could help them a lot.
Yeah, and you'd have no friends.
Because
in the American culture
I don't tell you
what I see as a weakness
in you.
Right?
When's the last time
you talked to someone and said
you know
there's an area in you that needs some help
can we talk about it?
Are you open to that?
And that turned out good.
But the answer
to a lot of things
is having
the kind of people
that you actually can speak the truth
to in love.
It causes growth
and maturity, verse 15.
Number 16, from him the whole body
joined and held together by every supporting
lingamate grows and builds itself
up in love. Every piece, every part
does its work and we
all grow and mature.
And that is in the context of
speaking the truth in love.
I've heard this phrase used many
times. You don't have
the kind of relationship with me to
speak that into my life.
Could you show me a scripture on
that?
There's certain truth I can't
say to you unless I have a relationship
with you. Is there any scripture on that?
I have never found
any. But it's almost
like a cardinal rule we live by
in the church in America.
How dare they? They don't even know me. And they
said this, see what you just said is
you don't have the kind of relationship
with me to say the truth to me.
Well, sometimes the people who are viewing you
from afar can see more clearly than
the people who are close to you.
Well.
So, verse 17.
So I tell you this and assist on
it in the Lord that you must no longer
live as the Gentiles do in the futility
of their thinking.
Okay, so
our thinking has to change.
We can't be tossed around by every
doctrine and cunningness
and craftiness of men. Okay, that must
be a Gentile thing.
That has been drug in the church. I'll give you
one example.
There are numerous
ministers that I could ask you
what is their spiritual gifts?
What is their spiritual gifting?
Of the nine gifts of the
spirit.
Of the gifts in Romans
12. What is their spirit? Not their
call. Their call is Ephesians 4.
What is their gifting?
Do they give tongues interpretation?
Do they give prophecy? Do they work
in words of knowledge? Do they have
discerning of spirit? Do they work miracles?
What is their gifting?
You wouldn't believe how many Christians
go to churches where they don't know
what their pastor's gifting is.
I just like him
or her. I just like them.
They're such nice people. What's their gifting?
What do they operate
in spiritually?
I don't know. I've never really seen them do
much, but I like them.
You must no longer live as the
Gentiles do in the futility
of their thinking.
I just like the Kardashians.
Why? I don't know.
I just like them.
I just like President Biden.
Why?
Are you looking at his track record
at all? I don't know. That makes much
difference. I don't know. I just kind of like the guy.
That's Gentile thinking.
And the world thrives
on popularity.
And if you can
offer a group of people something,
that really means nothing. But you get
enough of them to like it, you become
popular.
Gentile thinking.
They are darkened in their understanding
and separated from the life of God because
of the ignorance that is in them
due to the hardening of their hearts.
They are not seeing this
through their heart, the spiritual
perspective.
They are seeing this through their mind.
Christians aren't supposed to
view life through our mind.
We are supposed to view it through our heart
and what the Holy Spirit is showing us.
Verse 19,
Having lost all sensitivity,
they have given themselves over to
sensuality so as to indulge in
every kind of impurity
with a continual lust for more.
I gave you an example earlier.
Young people raise in the church,
move in
with somebody, live with them for 2, 3, 4 years
before they get married.
Why would they do that?
It just told us
they have lost
all sensitivity
to what? Their heart.
They are thinking like the Gentiles
think through a darkened
mind.
And as a result, they give themselves
over to sensuality.
Verse 20,
You, however, did not come
to know Christ that way.
So we are supposed to be different.
Surely you heard of Him and were taught
in Him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus.
You were taught with regard
to your former way of life
that was before
you got saved.
You were taught to put off
your old self which is being
corrupted by its deceitful
desires.
So if we are living in a realm
of something that Scripture calls sin
like the unsaved
live, we are wrong.
We are supposed to have put that off.
That is in the former life.
You are a new creation in Christ now.
Get rid of that junk
and be made new in the attitude of your
minds to put on the new
self created to be like God
and true righteousness and holiness
and we know that is a sanctification process.
It doesn't happen overnight. It takes a lifetime.
But we are supposed to be headed towards it.
Now we are to the two verses
and it starts with this word.
Therefore
we had to know what
that word is there for.
So we needed to
get a running start because it plays into
what he is about to say.
Therefore
each of you must
put off falsehood
and speak
truthfully
to his neighbor
for we are all
members of one body.
That goes back to what he was
saying back here in
verse 15.
Speak the truth in love.
We are all part of the same body.
Verse 16, we build the body up.
It builds itself up as each part
does its work
and then he
listed a bunch of things we shouldn't be involved in.
So now listen to this real close.
Therefore
because of all these things we shouldn't be involved in
that we should have put off when we became a Christian
or at least be working on it.
Each of you
must put off falsehood
and speak truthfully
to his neighbor.
Do you think
living with my boyfriend is wrong?
No, that's fine.
You're under grace.
It won't make any difference.
Put off falsehood
and speak
truthfully.
Verse 15, speak the truth
in love.
For we are all
members of one body.
What they do if they come
to this church will affect
the corporate group.
So we have to
be truthful with each other and quit lying
to each other.
Then he makes the statement.
Now this is funny to me.
In your anger do not sin.
Who do you think got angry right there?
Just stop thinking about it.
Let's run a scenario.
Let's use the one we just had so enough to make up a new one.
Somebody's living with their boyfriend.
And
we don't
do anything without the leading
of the spirit. You got to hear from God first
because he knows the timing. He knows everything
that's best. But at some point
you just bring it up and say,
I'd love to talk to you about the relationship
you're in at some point because
I
don't know what to do with it.
So you get together with them over coffee
and by the time you're done
they know you think
they're in sin for living
with their boyfriend before they're married.
Of the two of you, who do you think is going to get angry?
In your anger, don't sin.
You're going to take some people off.
But their response as being a Christian
is don't sin. Do not let the son
go down while you're still angry
because if you do, you're going to give
the devil a foothold.
That's almost funny.
It's like
if you put it in context
he's talking
about speaking truthfully with each other
trying to build the body up
trying to build them up
trying to be for everybody's benefit
of course under the leadership of the Holy Spirit
using some empathy, using some wisdom
we're trying to help everybody
but somebody
doesn't want to hear the truth
and they get angry.
So there is the principle
now that can apply to any area in life
there's how he's applying it
that can apply any area in life
you're at work and the boss does something
and said you were going to get a raise
and then you don't get a raise
so you go home angry
saying principle applies
in your anger do not sin
do not give the devil a foothold
so we can skip that
under C because we just talked about it
jump over to page number four
There is a number of things that happen when anger is not handled correctly. It destroys intimacy, optimism, trust, hope.
The thing I want you to pick up, there is number three. When we go to sleep with anger, it opens the door to the devil.
Verse 22b is, he's a deceiver. Let me go back and see that. We're being corrupted by the old self deceitful desires.
So we know he's going to work in deception with us.
Verse 27 uses the word devil. That word in the Greek is Diablos. The definitions of that are false accuser, slanderer, and traducer.
That's the definitions to Diablos. You're giving place to Diablos.
When we don't handle anger correctly, the thoughts that begin running through our minds about the person or situation are not from God.
So let's say you're angry with somebody and you've been sitting on this for a few days, few weeks, few years.
I can guarantee you you have demons. Because you've given place to Diablos by not handling your anger correctly.
You had 24 hours to process through this. That doesn't mean you have to settle it with them.
That sometimes can take weeks and months. But you personally have to process through this. Forgive them.
Come to a place where God, I turned that over to you. I'm going to go on. And however you want to handle it, that's fine.
If you want me to get involved and work with this, that's fine. I'll do the best I can.
But I am not going to carry anger towards that person. You have 24 hours to deal with that.
Or you will pick up a demon. Specifically Diablos is the one mentioned here. The deceiver.
So what would the deceiver do if you have unresolved anger for a week?
He's going to deceive you because he moved into your temple, and I'll show you that here in a second.
He moved into your temple to deceive you. He's going to give you all kinds of thoughts.
Number five. He's going to lie to you about that person and that family and those people and that church.
He's going to have all kinds of accusations run through your mind about them. Things that slander the person's character and reputation.
He'll begin going around and around. These things begin going around and around in our thinking.
This is Diablos at work to deceive us by falsely accusing and slandering the person we're angry with.
Anytime we sit on unresolved anger, just be honest with yourself now. Anytime you sit on unresolved anger,
you get negative feelings and thoughts towards the one you're angry with. That's Diablos.
He's deceiving you into thinking and feeling about them, believing things about them that are absolutely untrue.
But boy, they're true to you because they're brewing in that ground of anger.
The result is we begin to become a traducer. There's the third word in the definition,
which means we start shaming and blaming the person for the things we're angry about.
So now you know that you know you've got a demon problem when not only are you thinking and feeling badly about them,
now you start blaming them for what happened. It's their fault this took place.
If they wouldn't have, I wouldn't be angry.
Oh man, you just beacon on your forehead. I got a demon. I got a demon. He's deceiving me.
He's just openly speaking to you.
He's caused us to believe the lies, okay?
So when anger isn't handled correctly, we literally create a place for Diablos or demons to live in our physical body or our temple.
So we can do it through giving a place to them, through our own sin or generational sin,
or we can do it through unresolved anger.
I call it live-holes because that goes back to that deliverance session.
That's what they called it and that's a fond memory to me.
So that's what I call it, live-hole.
The Greek definition for the word place.
Now remember what the Spirit said and in this one they were actually being accurate.
They said there's a place in the person's temple that is like a hole we can move into and we can live there.
And then whatever they are, of course, that's going to start affecting you.
Now look at the definition of the word place.
Do not give place to the devil.
From strong's concordance it says a spot or a space that is limited by occupancy.
Wow, you could stop right there and that just described it.
Hey, location, must be a location.
Cross that off, we'll fix that for the book.
A location as a position, home or tract.
So at some place they come in and take up residence.
It's a condition the person is in or an opportunity.
The place is a condition of the person.
It will give an opportunity to a demon.
From Therese lexicon it says this.
A place or any portion of space marked off as it...
as it work off double check, that doesn't make sense.
From surrounding space.
An inhabited place as a city, village or district.
Remember this is a live hold, this is in the person's temple.
A place or a spot when one can settle, abide or dwell.
The place which a person or thing occupies or has right to, not ride to.
Hate it when my autocorrect does that stuff.
The conditioner station held by one in any company or assembly.
Opportunity power, occasion for acting.
So literally the word place is describing a spot in the person
that is open for occupancy to the demonic realm.
A live hold. We can do that two ways.
Personal, willful sin, generational, I'll just put those together.
And not resolving our anger correctly.
Then it goes through some things that I don't think we have to go over.
I think they're pretty much self-explanatory.
It goes back to the scripture and reference it.
We must to get free of Diabolos. We have to see our anger.
We have to own it. We have to admit it.
We have to change some things to get free of him.
And it gives the things in that section of scripture.
What we have to deal with.
Page six, just so we're on the same page with anger.
Our definition for anger is anger comes from wanting something to stop,
but it doesn't.
I got that definition probably 35 years ago.
Because I couldn't figure out what anger was.
Because all the things that described it and defined it
didn't make sense to me.
Well, then why can God do that and I can't?
And you know, on and on and on.
So I went and I studied every scriptural reference
where God was angry, where it says God was angry.
And I started seeing a pattern, especially in the Old Testament.
God became angry with the children of Israel
when he wanted something to stop and they wouldn't stop it.
Then he'd get angry.
So there is my layman's definition of anger.
Something needs to stop.
It's that flare inside of us that says this needs to stop.
And it's not stopping. We get angry.
And anger comes from unmet expectations,
which is kind of the other side of the same coin.
One coin side of the coin is something needs to stop.
The other side of the coin is...
Okay, honey.
When I went to work this morning,
the kitchen floor was clean.
Now there's soup all over it and it's even dried on in spots.
Oh yeah, that happened right after you left.
And I got busy on the phone and then I had to go out shopping.
I never got around to cleaning it up.
That would make me angry.
Do you know why?
I wanted to stop, obviously.
But my expectation would be
this house cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And we're going to treat it like this.
We're going to ruin it.
I get angry. I want this to stop.
Okay, there's an example.
Anger is the type of enemy that in yourself,
you got to hunt and flush them out.
It likes to hide.
It talks about getting rid of Diablos
and God becoming angry.
And there's just information there that's good information.
We're just not going to take the time to go through it.
On page 8, I'll just mention this.
Why is unresolved anger so deadly?
Because it's tied to unforgiveness.
When we're carrying anger, we have not forgiven.
We haven't let it go.
And we're angry about it.
You have to set the person free.
Release the person from this.
And we haven't let it go.
So unresolved anger takes us...
it works hand in glove with unforgiveness.
So you can read the rest of that.
It'll be fine.
The last page you read from the top to the bottom,
that's the progression of that chart.
It's resolving anger and relationships.
Outline here is an outline of things that have to be dealt with
to resolve unresolved anger.
And it works its way down to the dashed line.