WEBVTT 00:00.000 --> 00:03.340 I was going to talk about prayer and fasting this morning, and 00:05.280 --> 00:08.080 the Lord turned that a little bit, and I believe the reason 00:08.080 --> 00:11.800 for it is we're preparing for open heavens and what's coming. 00:12.980 --> 00:15.940 So to kind of give you a little bit 00:16.640 --> 00:20.020 preparation, this Sunday I'm going to be talking 00:20.020 --> 00:23.160 about that subject, which should be really interesting. 00:25.060 --> 00:27.380 Next Sunday I'm going to talk about prayer and fasting. 00:29.300 --> 00:31.020 The 21st, 00:31.420 --> 00:33.980 the last Sunday right before Christmas, 00:35.200 --> 00:38.240 I'm feeling, I'm not sure why 00:39.320 --> 00:43.040 specifically, but I'm feeling strongly 00:43.040 --> 00:46.160 I might end up talking about angels that morning. 00:47.220 --> 00:50.880 And angelic activity, anything that happens 00:50.880 --> 00:55.440 with the human race from God's perspective, there's angels involved. 00:57.540 --> 00:59.440 And I, you know 00:59.440 --> 01:02.820 it's not that, well I'll read your verse here in a bit, 01:03.000 --> 01:07.280 it's not that they take the place of God, they work on behalf 01:07.280 --> 01:10.360 of God, and they work with us. 01:10.940 --> 01:15.100 And once you're saved, you get 01:15.100 --> 01:17.940 your own personal angel or angels 01:18.960 --> 01:22.580 who are going to be with you the rest of your life. So 01:22.580 --> 01:26.260 for believers, angels are active and involved. 01:26.620 --> 01:29.600 Revelation 22.8, John said 01:29.600 --> 01:34.700 and I, John, am he who heard and witnessed these things, talking about what he wrote down 01:34.700 --> 01:38.480 in the book of Revelation. And when I heard and saw them, I fell prostrate 01:38.480 --> 01:42.140 before the feet of the messenger, the angel, who showed them to me 01:42.140 --> 01:46.600 to worship him, to worship the angel. And the angel said to me 01:46.600 --> 01:49.020 refrain, you must not do that. 01:49.820 --> 01:52.340 I am only a fellow servant 01:52.340 --> 01:57.080 along with yourself and with your brethren the prophets 01:57.980 --> 02:01.260 and with those, this is the rest of us, 02:01.580 --> 02:04.960 it was John, the prophets living at his time 02:04.960 --> 02:08.760 and with those who are mindful of and 02:08.760 --> 02:12.780 practice the truths contained in the messages 02:12.780 --> 02:15.500 in this book. That's us. 02:17.200 --> 02:18.900 They are fellow 02:19.700 --> 02:23.200 servants with us. Angels 02:23.200 --> 02:27.480 are working with us to see things accomplished for God as we're 02:27.480 --> 02:31.600 working to try to let God do what he's wanting to do 02:31.600 --> 02:35.700 in this earth. So in the 21st, I don't know if it keeps 02:35.700 --> 02:39.920 going that way, I'll be talking about angels that Sunday. And the 28th 02:39.920 --> 02:43.500 is going to be something special leading up to the 02:43.500 --> 02:47.740 open heavens. We're trying 02:47.740 --> 02:50.080 to do our part to lay the groundwork 02:51.160 --> 02:55.460 for what's coming. Because I just have this feeling that God 02:55.460 --> 02:59.200 wants to do something in the open heaven meetings that 02:59.200 --> 03:03.560 is well beyond what we experience on a 03:03.560 --> 03:07.540 weekly basis. It's as we honor him the beginning 03:07.540 --> 03:09.380 of the year and say, God, it's all about you. 03:12.060 --> 03:13.620 It opens things 03:14.220 --> 03:16.200 for him to reciprocate on that. 03:17.080 --> 03:21.380 And I'm really believing it's going to happen this year. Anyway, let's talk 03:21.380 --> 03:25.400 about this subject. I thought I could do this like ask the 03:25.400 --> 03:29.360 pastor a question and 10, 15 minutes blow through it and then move on. 03:30.160 --> 03:33.160 And the more I refreshed and studied and looked at it, 03:33.460 --> 03:37.320 the more I went, you know what, if I just take a glancing blow at this 03:37.960 --> 03:41.160 people are going to have a lot of questions and maybe leave some 03:41.160 --> 03:45.200 confusion and so forth. So I better make it the message. Let me 03:45.200 --> 03:49.300 say at the end, I don't know how the end is going to go yet for sure, but we may 03:49.300 --> 03:53.120 have room for a question and answer time. So if you get some questions while I'm 03:53.120 --> 03:56.720 speaking jot them down and hopefully we can answer them at the end. 03:57.260 --> 04:01.340 But it comes out of this, this message comes out 04:01.340 --> 04:05.100 of some texts, some emails I've been receiving over the last few months. 04:07.220 --> 04:08.940 And I'm just calling it 04:08.940 --> 04:13.220 falling down when we're prayed for. For those of you who've been around 04:13.220 --> 04:17.120 a long time, we, when I was growing up 04:17.120 --> 04:19.580 everybody referred to that as being slain in the Spirit. 04:20.760 --> 04:25.000 Which I always wondered, why would 04:25.000 --> 04:28.940 you call it that? Because it's not in Scripture, 04:29.340 --> 04:32.980 not that phrase. Why would you want the Holy Spirit to kill you? 04:33.460 --> 04:35.360 You know, kind of thing. Of course, 04:36.800 --> 04:40.880 as you get older, you start adding two and two together and so forth, but I still think 04:40.880 --> 04:44.840 it's a funny phrase. You know, what happened to them? Oh, the Holy Spirit killed them. 04:45.160 --> 04:48.920 I mean, it's like, for someone who is new in the Lord 04:48.920 --> 04:52.060 or unsaved, they're going to look at that like, I'm never going to get in the prayer line. 04:52.900 --> 04:56.900 Oh, nothing to do with that. Or we call it falling under the power. Things like that. 04:57.060 --> 05:00.080 But anyway, let me read you. I'm just going to pick three of them 05:00.660 --> 05:03.360 that I received. The first one was, 05:03.760 --> 05:07.560 I attended your church and wanted to get prayed for. So they came here. 05:08.320 --> 05:10.720 When I got in the prayer line, people were falling down. 05:11.580 --> 05:17.880 So I did too. Is that something that is 05:17.880 --> 05:20.760 supposed to happen when people get prayed for at the church? 05:22.080 --> 05:26.200 Do I need to fall down every time I get prayed for at the church? 05:27.700 --> 05:28.540 Good questions. 05:29.620 --> 05:32.800 Second one was very short and to the point, 05:33.100 --> 05:35.140 why do people fall down when they get prayed for? 05:36.440 --> 05:40.440 And the third one was, I can't find where the Bible 05:40.440 --> 05:43.720 says people need to fall down when they are prayed for. 05:44.580 --> 05:48.600 Is this in the Bible? So the rest 05:48.600 --> 05:52.420 of them are kind of the same theme. We're after the question of what is this 05:52.420 --> 05:54.440 all about. So 05:56.860 --> 05:59.060 I want to state two things right from the beginning. 05:59.440 --> 06:01.800 Number one, anything that God does 06:02.380 --> 06:06.620 is holy, needs to be reverenced, needs to be 06:06.620 --> 06:10.140 respected, because it's God doing it. 06:11.920 --> 06:14.700 And the second thing I want to state, because by the time 06:14.700 --> 06:18.000 I'm done, I hope you won't question it, but just in case, 06:18.660 --> 06:22.540 let me state right from the beginning, when falling 06:22.540 --> 06:26.800 down when you're prayed for is real, I absolutely 06:26.800 --> 06:30.100 believe it's of God when it's real. 06:31.720 --> 06:34.600 Some of the most awesome experiences 06:36.160 --> 06:38.380 happen when God does 06:38.380 --> 06:42.080 that personal thing with people. 06:44.540 --> 06:46.680 Now I'm going to make a big statement, so grab 06:46.680 --> 06:52.690 your seat, hang on. When it's of God, I believe 06:52.690 --> 06:56.470 it's absolutely real. I believe in it. 06:57.230 --> 07:00.250 But I don't think a lot of what we see in the church 07:00.250 --> 07:02.610 is of God and is real. 07:07.140 --> 07:11.520 So I'm going to try to scripturally bring a 07:11.520 --> 07:15.240 balance to what this is supposed to look like. 07:16.300 --> 07:18.680 Because my opinion really doesn't matter. 07:19.680 --> 07:23.040 Your opinion really doesn't matter. 07:25.080 --> 07:27.160 It's what does God say about this. 07:28.520 --> 07:31.160 So I'm going to come from what Scripture has to say about it 07:31.160 --> 07:34.920 and measure it against the Scripture. And that may be different than 07:34.920 --> 07:37.620 what you believe. So just try to stay objective. 07:38.840 --> 07:42.300 Try to keep your thinking cap on so you can think about this and think it through. 07:43.500 --> 07:46.800 Paul warned a couple of times to Timothy and Titus. He said, 07:46.980 --> 07:50.840 don't get caught up in fables or commandments of men 07:50.840 --> 07:54.980 because they will remove you from the truth. Well, I don't want 07:57.340 --> 07:58.700 something going on 07:59.420 --> 08:02.520 that actually hinders the truth and not helps 08:02.520 --> 08:05.640 propel it forward. So we have to stick with what the Word says. 08:07.620 --> 08:09.800 So we have to stick with what the Word says. 08:11.060 --> 08:14.080 You can agree to that. You say, well, I don't know where you're going with this. 08:14.300 --> 08:15.560 Well, we're going to the Word. 08:19.020 --> 08:19.720 So let's 08:19.720 --> 08:23.200 look at what the Word has to say about this. So 08:27.950 --> 08:30.870 let me reset this because I don't have control 08:30.870 --> 08:34.450 at the moment. So let me see if I can get that back. 08:38.940 --> 08:41.600 It just makes it so much easier if I can control 08:41.600 --> 08:44.680 the slides. Ah, there we go. That helped. 08:45.960 --> 08:49.160 When it's real, this is Scripture now. Scripturally speaking, 08:49.160 --> 08:53.120 when it's real, when someone falls down when they're being prayed for, and this is a 08:53.120 --> 08:56.940 real deal, the reason a person will fall down is because the 08:56.940 --> 09:00.160 power of God gets so strong in them, they can't stand. 09:02.360 --> 09:04.800 That's Scripture. That's kind of a nutshell 09:04.800 --> 09:09.260 of everything I'm going to talk about this morning. So as we go through 09:09.260 --> 09:13.240 some of these Scriptures now, look for some common 09:13.240 --> 09:17.180 themes here. Don't just, well, Pastor O'Reid 09:17.180 --> 09:20.540 him and he'll tell us what it means. You look for some common themes. 09:21.080 --> 09:25.040 And I've got a few here that I'm questioning. I don't know if it was 09:25.040 --> 09:29.180 a, they couldn't stand and went down because of that, or 09:29.180 --> 09:33.260 they chose to go prostrate before God. Not 09:33.260 --> 09:37.100 sure which it is, so I'll point that out. This is the first one. I'm not 09:37.100 --> 09:41.040 sure. And Moses and Aaron went into the tabernacle of meeting 09:41.040 --> 09:45.120 and came out and blessed the people. Then the glory of the Lord appeared to all 09:45.120 --> 09:49.200 the people and fire came out from before the Lord and consumed the burnt offering and fat on 09:49.200 --> 09:53.020 the altar. When all the people saw it, they shouted and 09:53.020 --> 09:57.180 fell on their faces. Now was that a falling down because 09:57.180 --> 10:01.040 of the glory appearance and they were overwhelmed and 10:01.040 --> 10:05.140 so forth? I think so. Because usually when the 10:05.140 --> 10:07.820 glory shows up, that's a trigger 10:09.220 --> 10:12.960 for the anointing to get on a person so strong that it's 10:12.960 --> 10:16.900 difficult to stand. So I put it in that category because I 10:16.900 --> 10:20.860 think so. But if you notice when all the people 10:20.860 --> 10:24.940 saw it, they fell down. So if this is one of 10:24.940 --> 10:28.740 those times, this wasn't 10:28.740 --> 10:32.760 one or two people. This was thousands and tens of thousands 10:32.760 --> 10:35.020 who saw this and went down. 10:36.520 --> 10:40.860 Next one I also am not sure. It happened as the 10:40.860 --> 10:44.760 flame went up from heaven, from the altar. The angel of the Lord ascended in the flame 10:44.760 --> 10:48.640 of the altar. When Manoa and his wife saw this, they fell in their 10:48.640 --> 10:52.900 faces to the ground. Now did they choose to fall or was 10:52.900 --> 10:56.760 it overwhelming for them? And the story behind this 10:56.760 --> 11:00.660 is Manoa and his wife were Samson's parents 11:02.660 --> 11:04.660 and God came to 11:04.660 --> 11:07.340 an angel came to the wife 11:08.600 --> 11:11.420 and I don't remember her name right off hand but I believe she has one. 11:13.060 --> 11:14.320 I'll just call her the wife. 11:15.200 --> 11:19.260 An angel came to the wife and told her that you're going to have a son. She was barren. 11:19.360 --> 11:23.500 She couldn't have children. Said you're going to have a son. God wants 11:23.500 --> 11:27.120 him to be a Nazarite. So don't let any fermented 11:27.120 --> 11:31.220 drink come to him. Don't let him drink anything that's fermented. 11:31.420 --> 11:35.180 No wine, nothing like that. And part of Nazarite vows don't let 11:35.180 --> 11:39.280 him cut his hair because he's going to be set apart for a special 11:39.280 --> 11:43.000 purpose. So now here's something 11:43.000 --> 11:47.080 interesting to me. If you 11:47.080 --> 11:50.040 study what a Nazarite vow was, 11:51.400 --> 11:54.960 the first thing God wanted to happen when 11:54.960 --> 11:59.160 he pulled someone out for a special separation 11:59.160 --> 12:03.160 from the world to himself. He wants them separated from 12:03.160 --> 12:06.280 the world. The first thing he asked to go is alcohol. 12:09.260 --> 12:10.440 Just put that in your 12:11.000 --> 12:12.080 pipe and smoke it. 12:19.800 --> 12:22.140 He didn't say anything about smoking, he said alcohol. 12:25.460 --> 12:26.940 I'm just trying to keep you with me. 12:27.540 --> 12:30.760 But put that in your mind and think about that. 12:30.760 --> 12:34.560 Rattle that around some because we have such a liberal 12:34.560 --> 12:38.140 society now, including in the church, toward alcohol 12:39.040 --> 12:39.660 that 12:42.740 --> 12:46.360 it's kind of interesting to me that even in the Old Testament where there was 12:46.360 --> 12:50.560 just open game, God, when he wanted someone special 12:50.560 --> 12:54.720 separated to himself, that was one of the main things he 12:54.720 --> 12:56.980 wanted to stop is drinking alcohol. 12:58.320 --> 13:00.880 First Kings 8, this one I'm pretty sure applies. 13:01.220 --> 13:05.300 And it came to pass when the priests were come out of the holy place, the cloud filled the house of the Lord 13:05.300 --> 13:08.940 so the priests could not minister because of the cloud, for the glory 13:08.940 --> 13:11.340 of the Lord had filled the house of the Lord. 13:12.280 --> 13:16.700 They couldn't minister, they could not stand to minister, it says in verse 11. 13:17.300 --> 13:21.120 So the glory came, they became overwhelmed with the power 13:21.120 --> 13:24.860 of God and they couldn't stand anymore. Well that's what we're talking about, falling underneath 13:24.860 --> 13:28.400 the power. Second Chronicle says the same thing, it came to 13:28.400 --> 13:33.120 even to pass as the trumpeters and singers were as one to make one sound 13:33.120 --> 13:36.880 to be heard and praising and thanking the Lord. And when they lifted up their 13:36.880 --> 13:40.800 voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of music and praising 13:40.800 --> 13:44.680 the Lord saying, for he is good, for his mercy endures forever 13:44.680 --> 13:48.600 and then the house was filled with the cloud, that's the glory 13:49.360 --> 13:52.920 even the house of the Lord so that the priests could not stand 13:52.920 --> 13:56.360 to minister by reason of the cloud. So this is a second 13:56.940 --> 13:59.660 instance for sure, it's not the same one, it's a different setting. 14:00.400 --> 14:04.800 Priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud, that's the glory. 14:05.080 --> 14:08.500 For the glory of the Lord had filled the house of God, that's how we know 14:08.500 --> 14:12.440 the cloud is the glory. Next verse 14:12.440 --> 14:16.760 Ezekiel 1, I think it comes under he was overwhelmed 14:17.580 --> 14:21.000 as the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, 14:21.000 --> 14:24.800 so the rainbow, so was the appearance of the brightness around about. 14:25.020 --> 14:28.700 So Ezekiel was seeing a vision. This was the appearance 14:28.700 --> 14:32.340 of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. Well, here we are back to the glory again. 14:32.900 --> 14:36.520 And when I saw it, I fell on my face and I heard a voice of one that 14:36.520 --> 14:39.920 spake. I'm presuming Ezekiel went down under the power 14:40.600 --> 14:44.920 because again it's tied to the glory. Ezekiel 3 14:44.920 --> 14:48.580 and then I arose and went forth in the plane, this is a different setting 14:48.580 --> 14:52.440 and behold the glory of the Lord stood there as the glory which I saw 14:52.440 --> 14:56.520 by the river Shabar and I fell on my face. Now it doesn't 14:56.520 --> 14:59.800 say he was overcome, but I'm putting it in that category 15:00.460 --> 15:04.600 because of the glory situation. And the last one 15:04.600 --> 15:08.520 that I have a little bit of question on, but I think it is. And he brought 15:08.520 --> 15:12.560 me by the way of the north gate to the front of the temple, so I looked and behold 15:12.560 --> 15:16.400 the glory of the Lord filled the house of the Lord and I fell on my face. 15:16.400 --> 15:20.280 So did he choose to go prostrate because he saw 15:20.280 --> 15:23.660 or he saw the glory and was overwhelmed? 15:24.680 --> 15:28.500 You decide, I'm putting it in the category of he was overwhelmed 15:28.500 --> 15:32.400 and therefore could not stand. Here is one from 15:32.400 --> 15:35.860 Daniel. So I have, by the time I'm done 15:36.390 --> 15:40.400 I have about 16 scriptures that indicate this throughout the 15:40.400 --> 15:44.550 Bible. Ten of them are, yeah, that was 15:44.550 --> 15:48.730 that was falling under the power. Six of them, most of which 15:48.730 --> 15:52.510 I just gave you, are iffy. I'm not sure. But there 15:52.510 --> 15:56.390 should be ten in the scripture in the Bible that gives us clarity 15:56.390 --> 15:58.910 that yes, this is God. Daniel 8. 16:00.330 --> 16:04.330 So he came near to where I stood and when I came and when he came 16:04.330 --> 16:08.230 I was afraid and fell on my face. But he said to me 16:08.230 --> 16:12.370 understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end. 16:12.370 --> 16:16.430 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my 16:16.430 --> 16:20.510 face to the ground. Okay, so the reason that I put that in the category 16:20.510 --> 16:24.050 of he fell under the power is it says to begin with 16:24.050 --> 16:28.090 he fell because he was afraid in verse 17. 16:28.730 --> 16:32.310 But when he describes what happened to him on the ground 16:33.530 --> 16:35.510 yeah, that I think he's under the power. 16:36.290 --> 16:40.010 He was trying to explain. It's like I'm groggy, I'm out of it. 16:40.010 --> 16:43.350 It's like I'm struggling with a deep sleep here 16:44.050 --> 16:46.810 and my face is on the ground. Okay, 16:47.710 --> 16:51.990 chapter 10. I Daniel alone saw the vision for the 16:51.990 --> 16:55.890 men who were with me did not see the vision but had great terror fell 16:55.890 --> 16:59.350 upon them so that they fled to hide themselves. 17:01.150 --> 17:04.050 Therefore I was left alone when I saw this great 17:04.050 --> 17:07.910 vision and no strength remained in me. See now this he's describing what it's 17:07.910 --> 17:11.810 like to go down under the power. No strength remained 17:11.810 --> 17:16.010 in me for my vigor was turned to frailty in me. His strength 17:16.010 --> 17:19.970 became very weak and I retained no strength. Yet 17:19.970 --> 17:23.510 I heard the sound of his words and while I heard the sound of his words 17:23.510 --> 17:27.650 I was in a deep sleep on my face with my face to the ground. 17:28.470 --> 17:31.090 That is a perfect description of going down under the power. 17:32.650 --> 17:36.010 If it's real, it's going to feel 17:36.010 --> 17:37.470 very much like that. 17:40.050 --> 17:43.990 John 18. Now we're in the New 17:43.990 --> 17:47.970 Testament. Jesus of Nazareth, Jesus saith unto them, I am he. 17:48.130 --> 17:51.830 So here's where they're coming to the garden to arrest Jesus. Judas was 17:51.830 --> 17:55.810 standing with the ones who came to arrest him. And Judas 17:55.810 --> 17:59.370 also, which betrayed him, stood with them. This is the soldiers coming to 17:59.370 --> 18:03.610 arrest Jesus. As soon as he had said unto them, I am he, 18:03.610 --> 18:06.810 they went backward and fell to the ground. 18:08.290 --> 18:11.490 So they went down under the power just by Jesus announcing 18:11.490 --> 18:15.490 who he was. And the interesting part is Judas went down with them. 18:16.150 --> 18:19.010 He was standing with them. Acts 9. 18:19.470 --> 18:23.150 As he journeyed, he came near to Damascus and suddenly a light 18:23.150 --> 18:27.710 shone around him from heaven. Then he fell 18:27.710 --> 18:29.990 to the ground. Now remember, he was on a horse. 18:31.490 --> 18:33.530 So I don't think he did that one on purpose. 18:35.410 --> 18:37.950 Just fell off the top of a horse and hit the 18:37.950 --> 18:41.630 ground. He got blown off by the... 18:41.630 --> 18:44.730 suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. 18:45.810 --> 18:48.510 Scripturally, what is that again? That's the glory. 18:49.730 --> 18:53.570 Then he fell to the ground. He heard a voice saying, and Jesus starts speaking to him. 18:54.950 --> 18:56.970 Went down under the power. Chapter 10. 18:58.870 --> 19:00.930 This is Peter right 19:00.930 --> 19:04.830 before he had his vision of the Gentiles are included 19:04.830 --> 19:09.030 with the Jews and so forth. Verse 10, then he became very hungry, wanted to eat. 19:09.450 --> 19:12.090 But while they were making the food ready, 19:12.590 --> 19:16.830 he fell into a trance. Now I used to always think it meant 19:16.830 --> 19:21.030 that, well, he went into a trance. But there 19:21.030 --> 19:24.510 is some evidence from the original languages that he 19:25.170 --> 19:26.770 actually fell forward 19:28.390 --> 19:32.390 into the trance. The power God came on him. 19:32.670 --> 19:36.090 He just went, hit the ground, and then he saw the vision. 19:36.770 --> 19:40.550 So I added it in here. Revelation chapter 1. 19:42.230 --> 19:44.610 In the midst of the seven lampstands, one like the Son of Man 19:44.610 --> 19:48.010 clothed with a garment down to his feet, girded about the chest of the golden band. 19:48.270 --> 19:52.570 This is Jesus, of course. His head and hair were like wool and white as snow, and his eyes were flame of fire. 19:52.570 --> 19:56.650 His feet were like fine brass refined in the furnace, and his voice was the sound 19:56.650 --> 20:00.810 of many waters. He had in his right hand seven stars and out of his mouth 20:00.810 --> 20:04.670 one a sharp two-edged sword, and his countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. 20:05.930 --> 20:06.870 That's quite a sight. 20:07.950 --> 20:12.730 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. Yeah, he went 20:12.730 --> 20:16.430 down under the power. Of course, seeing that 20:16.950 --> 20:20.190 and the glory and the fullness of it, I understand. 20:20.190 --> 20:24.350 But he laid his right hand on me, saying to me, do not be afraid, I am the first 20:24.350 --> 20:28.090 and the last. Okay? So out of those 20:28.090 --> 20:31.030 group of scriptures, what are the common threads? 20:33.090 --> 20:36.330 Falling down or the inability to stand was associated 20:36.330 --> 20:40.010 with either the power or glory, the 20:40.010 --> 20:42.070 presence of God manifested 20:44.110 --> 20:46.770 or a visitation by an angel 20:48.290 --> 20:50.350 or, like the last one we read, 20:52.450 --> 20:53.330 Jesus manifested. 20:56.170 --> 20:58.910 From what I see in scripture, and there might be some scriptures 20:58.910 --> 21:02.810 I'm missing, and if you know of some, please give them to me. You know, I'd like 21:02.810 --> 21:06.610 to add everything that is in the word that talks about 21:07.330 --> 21:10.850 falling under the power. But from what I see in scripture, 21:11.070 --> 21:14.870 those are the three times, and we just read you everything that I 21:14.870 --> 21:18.890 know. Those are the three times that people go 21:18.890 --> 21:22.730 down under the power. There are times 21:23.570 --> 21:27.030 when people choose to go prostrate 21:27.030 --> 21:30.670 or kneel down or lay down, and I'll just give you a few of those. 21:31.130 --> 21:34.750 There's quite a few of those in scripture. I'll just give you 21:34.750 --> 21:38.390 some references. Moses dealing with Korah and the rebellion, 21:39.550 --> 21:42.910 that happened. Moses and Aaron, when God threatens to kill 21:42.910 --> 21:46.290 Korah and his group, God, Moses and Aaron interceded for the group. 21:47.550 --> 21:50.570 Moses and Aaron go before the Lord because the people were complaining 21:50.570 --> 21:54.750 they chose to fall down before the Lord, or before the tent. 21:55.450 --> 21:58.690 Joshua 5, Joshua sees the commander of the Lord's army 21:58.690 --> 22:02.890 and he goes down in reverence. It's not under the power 22:02.890 --> 22:06.690 but in reverence. Matthew 17.6, Peter, James and 22:06.690 --> 22:10.990 John heard the Father's voice at the transfiguration and fell 22:10.990 --> 22:15.070 because of fear. Luke 5, Peter at the supernatural 22:15.070 --> 22:18.630 catch of fish, prostated himself 22:18.630 --> 22:22.890 before Jesus. And Revelation 7, angels 22:22.890 --> 22:27.030 and elders before the throne, they are choosing 22:27.030 --> 22:30.750 to go prostrate before the throne. And I read you one where the angel 22:30.750 --> 22:34.630 at the end of Revelation chapter 22 where it says we're fellow 22:34.630 --> 22:38.830 servants, there John bowed down to worship. He didn't 22:38.830 --> 22:42.430 go down under the power, he just bowed down to worship. So there's a difference 22:42.430 --> 22:46.090 between us choosing to reverence God 22:46.570 --> 22:50.770 which is great versus the power of God coming on us and we can't 22:50.770 --> 22:53.910 stand. So make that distinction. 22:54.710 --> 22:57.370 I'm going after the second one and talking about that. 22:57.990 --> 23:02.830 So I want to repeat all of the times when the power and the presence of God 23:02.830 --> 23:06.510 become so strong that the people fell down in Scripture 23:06.510 --> 23:10.210 those are the three reasons. The glory, 23:10.450 --> 23:14.530 the presence manifested, a visitation by an 23:14.530 --> 23:16.730 angel or visitation by Jesus. 23:18.170 --> 23:22.530 Do I believe those things happened and can still 23:22.530 --> 23:26.250 happen? Absolutely. 100%. 23:26.250 --> 23:29.350 That can still happen, it did happen. 23:30.470 --> 23:32.690 However, here's where I think as 23:35.190 --> 23:37.510 Charismatics, Pentecostals, Faith People, Spirit 23:37.510 --> 23:40.770 Field People, et cetera, I think where we hit the ditch a little bit. 23:43.130 --> 23:44.650 We've made the falling 23:44.650 --> 23:49.110 down thing into something you can't find in Scripture. That's what you 23:49.110 --> 23:49.890 find in Scripture. 23:52.350 --> 23:56.710 That doesn't mean that when you're going down a prayer line and someone 23:56.710 --> 24:00.870 falls down, it's absolutely not of God. I'm not saying that 24:01.570 --> 24:05.030 because I've experienced and seen where it 24:05.030 --> 24:08.150 is absolutely God. However, 24:10.030 --> 24:12.910 there's no clear precedent in 24:12.910 --> 24:16.850 Scripture that when I go up and pray for someone 24:16.850 --> 24:20.750 and lay hands on them, they go down under the power. There's 24:20.750 --> 24:24.930 no precedent for that in Scripture. You can't find it 24:24.930 --> 24:28.310 to my knowledge. If I'm missing it, please help me. 24:28.310 --> 24:32.410 But you can't find it. So with that 24:32.410 --> 24:36.310 I get a little nervous. When we start doing 24:36.310 --> 24:40.330 things that you can't see clearly in Scripture, makes me 24:40.330 --> 24:43.450 nervous. Why? Because I'm going to answer for it. 24:44.930 --> 24:47.310 The day's going to come, I'm going to stand before God, and He's going to say, 24:47.390 --> 24:49.950 by the way, what were you doing? 24:52.150 --> 24:54.890 And you were telling everybody it's okay. I mean, 24:55.930 --> 24:58.570 I'm going to answer for it. So 24:59.490 --> 25:02.870 if there's no clear precedent, it makes me nervous. It doesn't mean it's 25:02.870 --> 25:07.110 not God. Let me give you a real 25:07.110 --> 25:10.870 simple example. Going out and 25:10.870 --> 25:15.270 busing people in for a service, is there a clear precedent 25:15.270 --> 25:18.790 for that in Scripture? There aren't even 25:18.790 --> 25:19.650 buses in Scripture. 25:23.290 --> 25:24.150 But yet, 25:25.090 --> 25:27.670 we do it, churches do it, it produces good fruit. 25:28.070 --> 25:31.170 But there again, if you're going to 25:31.170 --> 25:35.390 make it something that if every church isn't 25:35.390 --> 25:39.290 busing somebody in, they're not a real church. Well see, now you're in a ditch. 25:41.210 --> 25:43.630 So anytime it's something that there's not 25:43.630 --> 25:47.850 a clear directive in Scripture, we have to be careful with it. 25:49.910 --> 25:52.290 We really do. We have to be careful with it. 25:52.290 --> 25:55.850 So I want to point some things out that I want you to notice. 25:57.630 --> 25:58.490 Number one, 25:59.850 --> 26:03.130 there's no place in Scripture 26:04.250 --> 26:07.850 where someone fell down where they were being prayed for or hands were 26:07.850 --> 26:13.340 laid on them. It's not in Scripture. 26:15.140 --> 26:17.260 Do I believe it can happen? Absolutely. 26:18.460 --> 26:20.200 Have I seen it happen? Absolutely. 26:21.240 --> 26:25.260 So I'm there. All I'm saying is it doesn't 26:25.260 --> 26:29.120 show up in Scripture. So what's my 26:29.120 --> 26:32.100 conclusion? Well, my conclusion is this. 26:32.940 --> 26:36.980 Of the number of Scriptures that talk about going down under the power of falling 26:36.980 --> 26:40.800 down, well we'll just call it that because the glory or Jesus 26:40.800 --> 26:45.300 showed up. Unless you can help me, which I'm open to help, give me help. 26:45.300 --> 26:48.900 I can find ten that I'm certain 26:48.900 --> 26:51.560 that happened there. Exactly. 26:52.840 --> 26:56.920 God's power showed up and they went down. I have six of them that are 26:56.920 --> 26:58.980 iffy. Could go either way. 27:00.800 --> 27:04.180 Ten Scriptures that definitely say it 27:04.180 --> 27:09.140 out of the entire Bible tells me one 27:09.140 --> 27:12.320 thing. This isn't overly important. 27:16.400 --> 27:18.320 If this was really important 27:19.460 --> 27:22.340 God would have said it more times 27:22.840 --> 27:26.860 than ten. But is it real? I believe it can be real, yes. 27:28.880 --> 27:31.020 Here I think we as Spirit-filled churches 27:31.020 --> 27:34.540 have gone a bit in error because of this. 27:35.420 --> 27:39.080 Scripture doesn't make it important. Jesus never made 27:39.080 --> 27:42.960 it important. Paul never made it important. The apostles never made it 27:42.960 --> 27:45.640 important. But we make it important. 27:48.060 --> 27:52.590 What's that? And we'll talk 27:52.590 --> 27:55.390 about it a bit. So I just want to plant the fog. What's that? 27:57.830 --> 28:00.790 Why do we make something that is only mentioned ten times 28:01.850 --> 28:02.690 that important? 28:04.950 --> 28:07.530 So my take away on that is this. 28:08.890 --> 28:12.570 It can happen, but it should be the exception to the 28:12.570 --> 28:18.520 rule. See I told you I wasn't going to come from 28:18.520 --> 28:20.600 the direction you thought I was going to. 28:23.640 --> 28:27.400 I want to cheerlead the Holy things of God. 28:28.780 --> 28:31.880 I don't want religious tradition even if 28:31.880 --> 28:34.080 it's full gospel religious tradition. 28:35.340 --> 28:37.700 Because it gets in the way and we'll see that here in a bit. 28:39.640 --> 28:43.600 Of all the overwhelming miracles and healings that Jesus 28:43.600 --> 28:47.760 Paul and Peter etc. did, there isn't one instance mentioned 28:47.760 --> 28:51.480 in Scripture where someone fell under the power when they were healed or a miracle 28:51.480 --> 28:56.850 came to them. Now that should make us go, 28:57.150 --> 29:00.670 hmm, that's interesting. 29:01.890 --> 29:04.810 Now I'm not saying it didn't happen. All I'm saying is 29:04.810 --> 29:06.270 it's not in the Word. 29:12.060 --> 29:15.160 So apparently, because Jesus did 29:15.160 --> 29:19.120 some pretty good stuff. Paul and Peter did 29:19.120 --> 29:22.440 some pretty good stuff. Huge 29:23.080 --> 29:27.200 miracles. Apparently, falling 29:27.200 --> 29:29.340 down is not needed to get an answer. 29:32.350 --> 29:35.330 Or everybody Jesus was laying his hands on should have been going down. 29:40.610 --> 29:43.310 So if I'm crushing your 29:44.310 --> 29:45.230 holy cow, 29:47.830 --> 29:49.470 don't tune me out right now. 29:50.030 --> 29:51.190 Stay objective. 29:53.030 --> 29:57.230 Stay objective. I'm just pointing out the obvious. 29:58.470 --> 30:00.710 The obvious is right there. 30:02.170 --> 30:05.290 Where were all these people who went down under the power when Jesus prayed 30:05.290 --> 30:09.010 for them and ministered to them? I mean even the lady 30:09.010 --> 30:13.350 with the issue of blood who bent down touched the 30:13.350 --> 30:16.950 hem of his garment. In today's 30:17.450 --> 30:21.310 vernacular we would think, wow, probably the power hit her and she flew 30:21.310 --> 30:23.450 over backwards laying around shaking like that. 30:25.430 --> 30:28.170 There's no indication of that in Scripture. You know what she did? 30:28.770 --> 30:29.910 She stood up. 30:32.450 --> 30:36.370 Because Jesus turned around and said, who touched me? She knew Good and Well was her. 30:37.610 --> 30:39.990 She was standing there going, oh man I'm in trouble. 30:41.910 --> 30:44.730 She didn't go down under the power. There's no indication of it. 30:45.210 --> 30:46.990 So I'm just pointing out the obvious. 30:48.890 --> 30:51.810 Do we need to fall down under the power to receive? 30:52.030 --> 30:57.790 Apparently not. You say, why would you say that? 30:58.030 --> 31:00.970 Because Scripture doesn't say we have to have that. 31:01.890 --> 31:03.750 There's no indication of it in Scripture. 31:05.990 --> 31:08.870 And if we need to fall down to go under the power, 31:08.870 --> 31:11.850 there's going to be problems if you're in hospital bed. 31:14.790 --> 31:17.410 We're going to have to get you up and then lay hands on you so you can fall down. 31:20.170 --> 31:21.910 There's going to be problems if you're in a wheelchair. 31:23.690 --> 31:27.310 I mean that's, put it into, I mean get some common sense going here. 31:29.030 --> 31:30.410 If it has to be 31:32.270 --> 31:33.530 for people to receive, 31:38.830 --> 31:40.030 then a lot of people are in trouble. 31:41.210 --> 31:43.990 There was a lady that we prayed for. In fact, it was my 31:43.990 --> 31:47.250 sister-in-law. When we started the church in Colorado, 31:48.450 --> 31:51.970 she had what we understand now, a hormonal 31:51.970 --> 31:56.030 imbalance, which caused her to miscarry a lot of children. 31:57.250 --> 31:59.750 And she was pregnant with their youngest son 31:59.750 --> 32:03.510 and they came down to, we were in Colorado, so they came down to Colorado 32:04.030 --> 32:07.070 and were with us on a Sunday morning service. They hadn't said anything to us. 32:08.450 --> 32:10.030 And the Lord pointed out 32:11.170 --> 32:14.370 to me that there was a problem with her pregnancy. 32:16.850 --> 32:18.770 And she hadn't even said anything 32:18.770 --> 32:21.810 to her husband, my brother. 32:23.150 --> 32:27.090 So I called him out. I said, am I hearing this right? Or what's going on? And she started crying. 32:27.330 --> 32:30.970 She said, she was six months along and she said, the baby 32:30.970 --> 32:34.370 has turned. His head is down. I'm going to miscarry this one too. 32:35.910 --> 32:37.530 And I said, well, we don't have to. 32:38.150 --> 32:41.270 Let's pray. So we prayed. 32:42.690 --> 32:46.070 There was nothing in the physical whatsoever 32:46.070 --> 32:50.430 to show that God did anything. She didn't fall 32:50.430 --> 32:54.290 down. She didn't shake. She didn't quake. 32:54.510 --> 32:58.450 She didn't do nothing. And the next morning 32:58.450 --> 33:02.430 she got up, all smiles. She said, I feel the 33:02.430 --> 33:06.530 head right up here. It turned back up. I'm good. 33:06.730 --> 33:10.390 She carried that baby full term. So she received 33:10.390 --> 33:11.590 without falling down. 33:16.070 --> 33:18.530 Mary's brother, who was in a bad car accident 33:18.530 --> 33:22.450 and had his back all messed up. He was in a prayer line. 33:22.550 --> 33:26.350 I didn't even know he had a bad back messed up. He was in prayer line. I was going down the prayer line. 33:26.770 --> 33:29.190 I laid hands on him because the prayer line was for healing. 33:29.190 --> 33:32.030 I laid hands on him and prayed for healing and 33:33.750 --> 33:37.190 people around were going like, you could just hear it popping 33:37.190 --> 33:41.310 and cracking and snapping. And he looked at me with big eyes 33:41.310 --> 33:43.890 and he said, something's happening. 33:47.710 --> 33:49.290 He was told by the doctor 33:49.290 --> 33:52.310 he would never lift over 20 pounds of the rest of his life. 33:53.090 --> 33:56.590 He was back with so messed up. Totally whole. 33:58.350 --> 33:59.870 He didn't go down under the power. 34:03.660 --> 34:06.760 So I'm not, you know, some of you are going, oh, pastor, you're 34:06.760 --> 34:10.580 against it. I am not against it. I'm trying to bring 34:10.580 --> 34:13.520 balance and clarity. 34:14.520 --> 34:17.560 Because we live in a society that likes drama. 34:21.560 --> 34:24.840 Number three, even when it's real and of God, 34:25.080 --> 34:27.100 there are very few times it happened in Scripture. 34:28.740 --> 34:31.260 So again, I say, so why is it so common today? 34:32.420 --> 34:35.280 Here's my conclusion. So now I'm going to start 34:35.280 --> 34:38.880 my conclusion by making a big statement and I'm not done with my 34:38.880 --> 34:43.280 message yet. We're going to talk about some things. But here's my conclusion on everything we've talked about. 34:45.680 --> 34:47.200 Most of what we see in the church 34:47.200 --> 34:50.260 today isn't real. It's not of God. It's a flesh manifestation. 34:51.320 --> 34:54.240 I'm going to prove that to you. Very common sense way. 34:54.240 --> 34:57.900 It becomes a tradition that I think actually gets 34:57.900 --> 35:00.800 in, not the way, the way. 35:02.140 --> 35:04.900 My auto spell was trying to help me there. 35:05.840 --> 35:08.920 Gets in the way more times than it does any good. 35:10.160 --> 35:14.240 I want to talk about that some. And I will just 35:14.240 --> 35:18.180 say this. If we didn't have catchers, 35:18.280 --> 35:26.510 there'd be a lot less people going down. I'm not 35:26.510 --> 35:29.590 saying nobody would go down because I've seen them go down without catchers. 35:31.590 --> 35:32.990 But there'd be a lot less. 35:34.030 --> 35:38.610 We had a lady during praise and worship a few weeks back crumple in a pile right there. There was nobody to catch 35:38.610 --> 35:40.430 person. Just went down. 35:42.650 --> 35:45.550 See, now that to me is like, yeah, that's probably God. 35:47.810 --> 35:50.310 The thing of... 35:54.850 --> 35:56.410 I'm not sure I buy into all those. 36:00.850 --> 36:01.790 If it's 36:01.790 --> 36:04.850 of God and it's real, I'm 100% for it. 36:04.890 --> 36:07.390 And I've seen it many, many, many times it's real. 36:08.250 --> 36:11.530 I love new believers 36:11.530 --> 36:16.030 or even unbelievers who get in the prayer line and get prayed for. 36:16.610 --> 36:20.010 And boom, they go down and they're laying there going, 36:20.190 --> 36:21.690 what is happening to me? 36:21.690 --> 36:25.350 Or they get back up and go, 36:25.430 --> 36:29.550 what was that? Never seen it, never heard of it, never 36:29.550 --> 36:33.330 experienced it, all of a sudden all I knew is I couldn't stand anymore and I'm on the floor. 36:35.310 --> 36:36.170 I love that. 36:37.190 --> 36:39.590 See, that to me says, yeah, that's God. 36:40.890 --> 36:43.970 Or the person who's alone. You're not even in their vicinity. 36:45.230 --> 36:49.190 And boom. I tell the ushers from time to time and I 36:49.190 --> 36:51.250 presume Pastor Igor is telling the same thing. 36:52.190 --> 36:57.170 You got to pay attention to everybody in the line. You can't just pay attention to the one in front 36:57.170 --> 36:59.890 of you who's going to go down because you're standing like this. 37:01.190 --> 37:05.250 Because there might be person three, four over who's going like this. 37:08.030 --> 37:09.410 Go over and help them because they're about 37:09.870 --> 37:13.050 to go down. Yeah, but nobody's around them, Pastor. 37:14.090 --> 37:15.630 That's the scriptural way. 37:19.430 --> 37:21.310 Actually, that's the scriptural way. 37:22.130 --> 37:23.890 There's no evidence of 37:25.350 --> 37:27.550 that and the person goes down in scripture. 37:28.750 --> 37:36.000 There's not one example. You don't have to say, man, I know you're thinking. 37:40.410 --> 37:41.490 So, here's the 37:41.490 --> 37:45.690 $50 million question. Well, if it's not real 37:45.690 --> 37:49.430 and I should have put sometimes in there, if it's not real sometimes, because it is real. 37:49.430 --> 37:53.170 It's just sometimes not. Why do people do it? 37:53.250 --> 37:56.190 Why did they go down? Here's my conclusion. 37:57.470 --> 38:00.850 I think most of the time it happens because people feel the power. 38:01.210 --> 38:04.790 They can honestly sense the anointing and we've been conditioned 38:04.790 --> 38:08.970 to think they need to fall down when they feel the power or the presence 38:08.970 --> 38:13.510 of the anointing. Oh, I feel something. 38:14.010 --> 38:16.130 I need to go down. You actually don't. 38:17.210 --> 38:19.670 You can actually stand there and 38:19.670 --> 38:22.050 receive without going down. 38:26.290 --> 38:31.890 But because it's my mind become a charismatic, Pentecostal, religious tradition, 38:33.410 --> 38:34.950 it's one of our 38:34.950 --> 38:38.970 forms of religion. You know, we say, ah, we want nothing 38:38.970 --> 38:43.010 to do with religion. Well, then we better take a good look at this one. 38:45.150 --> 38:46.710 Because what's going on 38:46.710 --> 38:50.710 doesn't show up very often in Scripture. Can't find it 38:50.710 --> 38:54.650 once in the New Testament where someone laid hands on someone and they went down. 38:56.690 --> 38:58.790 But it's happening a lot with us. 39:02.890 --> 39:05.250 What is that? Well, somehow 39:05.250 --> 39:08.990 I think we've been convinced this is a necessary good thing. 39:09.990 --> 39:13.250 And we better join in. Like the lady you said, I came to your 39:13.250 --> 39:17.410 church, got prayed for everybody else fell down, so I might as well do. I'll just go with it. 39:18.130 --> 39:20.510 And they're not, you know, pure innocence. 39:21.210 --> 39:25.510 It's fine. But see, that's how traditions get started. 39:25.670 --> 39:29.450 I came to your church and I saw everybody was carrying their Bible like this. 39:30.390 --> 39:33.270 So after about two, three weeks, I came and started carrying my Bible 39:33.270 --> 39:35.770 like this. Why? 39:36.970 --> 39:40.330 Well, everybody else is doing it. It must be the thing to do. That's tradition. 39:41.050 --> 39:41.850 That's religion. 39:46.430 --> 39:48.430 If I was, you know, 39:49.490 --> 39:52.050 against that kind of stuff all my life in a Bible school, 39:52.750 --> 39:55.810 everybody's trying to be holy there. So going to classes 39:55.810 --> 40:00.030 and stuff, a lot of people would carry their Bibles like that. And I just refused to do it. 40:00.410 --> 40:01.910 I just carried it like this. 40:03.530 --> 40:04.990 You wouldn't believe the looks I got. 40:07.670 --> 40:11.370 You can't carry your Bible right. Well, where in the Bible does it say how we're supposed to carry it? 40:13.850 --> 40:15.990 See, you've got a tradition going on. 40:16.630 --> 40:17.930 This is a religious thing. 40:19.630 --> 40:20.890 Bless God. 40:23.370 --> 40:27.390 Notice when ministers talk, praise his holy name. 40:28.150 --> 40:30.470 Do you talk like that to your wife in the morning? 40:32.550 --> 40:35.310 Honey, I'd like some toast today. 40:38.850 --> 40:41.370 It's religion. It's tradition. 40:41.990 --> 40:42.970 They're not God. 40:45.510 --> 40:47.090 I think that's what's happened. 40:48.410 --> 40:53.370 Do I believe it's real and can be of God? Absolutely. 40:54.010 --> 40:56.550 Yes. And I'll give you some reasons why. 40:57.570 --> 41:00.210 I know it's real because Scripture says it's real. 41:01.450 --> 41:04.090 I know it can happen because Scripture says it can happen. 41:04.550 --> 41:08.030 And I know it can happen in church because I've seen an experience that happened in church. 41:09.230 --> 41:11.590 I've seen it happen to others. I've had it happen to me. 41:11.610 --> 41:12.890 So let me give you some examples. 41:16.030 --> 41:19.850 One of the most profound examples was back in the modular. 41:20.310 --> 41:24.310 Because I've questioned this all my life. Why do we do this? 41:24.910 --> 41:26.050 What is this for? 41:27.290 --> 41:33.190 So I'm always kind of on the edge looking in going, if it's God, man, I'm 100% there. 41:33.350 --> 41:34.970 If it's not, I want nothing to do with this. 41:35.890 --> 41:39.490 And we were in the modular in one of the open heaven meetings. 41:39.770 --> 41:43.410 I was at the front, of course, the modular was small. So the back door 41:43.410 --> 41:46.350 was probably about where Kevin's sitting. The doors come in the sanctuary. 41:47.050 --> 41:50.330 It was before service, so I'm standing up front and I'm doing some stuff. 41:50.430 --> 41:54.910 I looked up, this lady walks in. It's like she 41:54.910 --> 41:58.670 hipped. You know how they put cellophane on doors 41:58.670 --> 42:02.450 and you walk into it? That's what it was like. She walked in. 42:02.450 --> 42:06.210 If you've been in the modular, it's not carpeted there. It's a tile. 42:06.510 --> 42:10.330 It's hard. She walked in. It's like she hit that. Boom! 42:10.870 --> 42:14.350 Straight over backwards, bounced 42:14.350 --> 42:16.730 when she hit the floor. Bam! 42:17.850 --> 42:21.170 First thought went through my mind. Oh, I hope that's God. 42:24.670 --> 42:25.830 If it's not, 42:26.490 --> 42:30.510 that could be a lawsuit. She just claimed she slipped 42:30.510 --> 42:34.410 on the floor or something. She laid there. People were walking in, 42:34.530 --> 42:38.470 walking around her. Sometime during prison worship, she got up. So afterwards I talked to her. 42:38.550 --> 42:41.950 I said, what happened? It was God. I said, you feel okay? 42:42.510 --> 42:45.610 No pain, no headache, no nothing. 42:46.690 --> 42:50.170 I said, do you have any idea how you hit? She says, no. I just was 42:50.170 --> 42:52.210 standing. The next thing I knew, I was laying on the floor. 42:54.670 --> 42:57.050 Do I believe it can happen? Absolutely. 42:58.290 --> 43:01.070 I had it happen to me that way 43:01.070 --> 43:05.230 one time. Now, here's 43:05.230 --> 43:09.250 my thinking. It's mentioned very little 43:09.250 --> 43:12.550 in Scripture, but it does happen. 43:13.810 --> 43:17.170 I've had it happen to me twice that I know it was God. 43:18.570 --> 43:20.930 Now, I'm 69 years old 43:20.930 --> 43:24.970 as of yesterday. Twice. Thank you. 43:27.610 --> 43:29.150 Twice in that period of time. 43:29.310 --> 43:32.610 Now, I will say this. There have been a few times I gave 43:33.270 --> 43:35.890 a respectful, I'll fall over for you. 43:36.830 --> 43:41.210 And we're going to talk about this a little later. If there was people 43:41.210 --> 43:44.690 behind me and someone was praying for me, 43:45.510 --> 43:49.130 now all of you have seen this. If you've been around and they're pushing on you. 43:50.550 --> 43:52.970 And it's like, I got to back 43:52.970 --> 43:55.430 up? Well, there's people behind me. 43:56.990 --> 44:00.870 I don't want to back over them. So, it's like, well, if you're that insistant, I'll just 44:02.070 --> 44:04.710 give you what you're after. You want me to fall down. 44:05.630 --> 44:06.530 So, I'll fall down. 44:08.430 --> 44:11.210 I did a few of those. I don't do those anymore. 44:14.350 --> 44:16.290 It's just, I'm not going to play the game. 44:17.090 --> 44:20.890 If it's God, it's real. So, let me give you a couple of 44:20.890 --> 44:23.850 examples in my life where it was real. 44:24.850 --> 44:27.790 And these are the two times I know of it was God. 44:28.670 --> 44:32.710 It was 2008 Father's Day in the modular. This was 44:32.710 --> 44:36.650 the Sunday that the visitation, God 44:36.650 --> 44:40.150 showed up and for years following we had 44:40.890 --> 44:44.790 huge move of the Spirit. This was the Sunday. We were talking about 44:44.790 --> 44:48.890 revival. I was talking about revival in the message and trying to 44:48.890 --> 44:52.390 put people up so we'd be hungry for it. And I said, 44:52.450 --> 44:56.510 anybody who wants to agree with me in prayer, that 44:56.510 --> 45:00.550 God moves, come to the front. 45:00.650 --> 45:04.650 We're going to do a prayer line. Anybody remember being there 45:04.650 --> 45:08.310 that Sunday? One, two, three, 45:08.430 --> 45:12.730 four, there's a few of you. Okay? Some of you were there 45:12.730 --> 45:15.930 but can't remember it. Heidi 45:15.930 --> 45:17.990 Heidi, who helps lead praise, 45:19.530 --> 45:22.770 her sister was there, Heather. And 45:24.030 --> 45:27.850 she wanted to be part of this and agree in prayer. She was the first one up to the front. 45:28.430 --> 45:31.870 There was maybe ten of us total. She was the 45:31.870 --> 45:35.850 first one. So I said, Heather agree with me and I laid 45:35.850 --> 45:39.570 hands on her and it felt like I was 45:39.570 --> 45:42.730 picked up and thrown over backwards. 45:45.230 --> 45:46.570 Now remember the modular, 45:46.750 --> 45:50.550 the wall was closer than the front of the stage 45:50.550 --> 45:54.610 the chairs would have been about like here. So you don't go over 45:54.610 --> 45:58.390 backwards. You're going to hit your head. And I 45:58.390 --> 46:02.690 smacked the wall and I went down and the next thing I knew 46:02.690 --> 46:05.470 it's like I laid hands on her and the next thing I remember 46:06.090 --> 46:10.270 was that feeling and Heather's laying on top of me. 46:13.000 --> 46:14.800 So we both went down together. 46:15.680 --> 46:18.280 And the first thought that went through my mind is, 46:19.320 --> 46:20.320 wow, this is awkward. 46:28.200 --> 46:31.680 So she rolled off. I got back up and went 46:31.680 --> 46:35.140 down the prayer line. That moment released 46:35.460 --> 46:37.900 in the spirit realm everything that followed. 46:39.220 --> 46:41.860 And there was no catchers. That was 46:41.860 --> 46:45.660 purely God. And the second 46:45.660 --> 46:49.940 time it was either the open heavens of 09 or 010. You might remember this Jim 46:49.940 --> 46:53.540 what year it was. But there was a prayer line for something 46:54.100 --> 46:57.840 I don't even remember what it was for. It wasn't for healing. It was for 46:57.840 --> 47:01.820 something else. And I believe you laid hands 47:01.820 --> 47:05.900 on us. Mary and I were standing together. And I went down one way 47:05.900 --> 47:09.820 and she went down the other. And I was by the wall because remember there's not much 47:09.820 --> 47:14.180 room here. So I was by the wall laying this way and she went down that way 47:14.180 --> 47:18.560 her feet were kind of like here. And I knew it was God. 47:19.060 --> 47:22.340 So I just stayed there. And all of a sudden 47:22.340 --> 47:25.940 my left arm... Anybody remember 47:25.940 --> 47:29.680 that? There's a few of you. My left arm started 47:29.680 --> 47:33.800 to go weird on me. I'm laying there just going 47:33.800 --> 47:36.320 to tell him this is God. I know this is God. And all of a sudden wham! 47:37.000 --> 47:40.460 My left arm went over. What happened? 47:41.360 --> 47:44.540 Wham! It came back. And up 47:45.320 --> 47:48.560 and down. And I wasn't doing it. 47:50.280 --> 47:53.560 But I knew this was God. So I closed 47:53.560 --> 47:55.840 my eyes. I thought, God what are you doing? 47:57.280 --> 48:01.300 Fill me in on this. This is odd. 48:05.060 --> 48:06.900 And he gave me a little vision. 48:08.180 --> 48:11.740 I'm laying there on the floor right immediately up for me 48:11.740 --> 48:15.720 were two angels. An older one and like one who was younger or apprentice. 48:16.640 --> 48:18.620 And they had these long things. 48:20.080 --> 48:23.600 I could feel them. They were sticking them into my 48:23.600 --> 48:28.000 brain. And they were working things around. The older one was talking 48:28.000 --> 48:31.660 to the younger one. I didn't hear what they were saying but I could tell he was talking 48:31.660 --> 48:34.880 and instructing. This is what you do and this is how you do it. 48:36.080 --> 48:39.600 While I would feel that thing in my brain 48:39.600 --> 48:42.040 move around, my arm would whip. 48:43.580 --> 48:47.600 And come back. And it was just the oddest 48:47.600 --> 48:51.440 thing. That went on for, I don't know, 10, 15 minutes? 48:51.640 --> 48:55.480 Yeah. That went on. And I thought, well I'm staying here. 48:55.580 --> 48:57.280 Something's going on. I have no idea. I'm in surgery. 48:58.720 --> 49:01.180 So I'm just going to lay here. I'm going with it. 49:01.320 --> 49:04.800 Fully conscious, understood it was going on. I just knew they were there. 49:05.140 --> 49:07.700 And when they were done, I felt a pull out of my head. 49:08.960 --> 49:13.080 And I heard the older one say, now he will not 49:13.080 --> 49:19.190 die. He will live. And I credit it 49:19.190 --> 49:21.850 real short version. When I was 8 months old 49:23.690 --> 49:26.310 we were in Illinois in my uncle's car. 49:26.310 --> 49:29.990 98 olds. It was a big old car, thank God. Came to a 49:29.990 --> 49:34.470 4-way stop. Police officer was to the right of us. I was told all this later. 49:34.590 --> 49:38.150 I'm 8 months old. So police officer over here, drunk driver 49:38.150 --> 49:42.130 came over the hill and the police officer said he never slowed down. He plowed into the back 49:42.130 --> 49:46.210 of the car. I was sitting on my dad's lap on the front seat 49:46.210 --> 49:48.830 on the passenger side. My uncle was driving. 49:51.090 --> 49:53.070 The dash on these old 49:57.000 --> 49:59.060 oldsmobiles, they were made out of metal 49:59.060 --> 50:02.280 man. They were steel. And the grill for the speaker 50:02.620 --> 50:06.600 for the radio was a piece of steel with holes drilled in it. 50:07.680 --> 50:10.200 My head went into that grill 50:10.940 --> 50:14.800 and dad flew forward so hard crushing me against 50:14.800 --> 50:17.960 the dash that he broke his pelvis. 50:21.860 --> 50:25.100 Now I would guess I probably 50:25.100 --> 50:26.560 had a traumatic brain injury. 50:30.020 --> 50:31.960 Something could have gone wrong there. 50:33.180 --> 50:37.180 Smacking an 8 month old, I mean it's not even fully closed yet at that age. 50:37.840 --> 50:41.320 That hard. So I'm guessing 50:41.320 --> 50:45.060 whatever happened back there, aneurysm, there was something 50:46.920 --> 50:49.100 that was waiting to take me out 50:50.720 --> 50:52.340 and when I was on the floor 50:53.760 --> 50:55.040 God fixed it. 50:58.640 --> 51:02.800 Sent his angels and said, yeah, he's getting out of there 51:02.800 --> 51:06.640 that quick. Fix him up. And they fixed me. 51:08.480 --> 51:10.340 So do I believe it can happen? 51:10.880 --> 51:14.760 Yeah, absolutely. I've 51:14.760 --> 51:17.680 experienced it. But I also believe 51:18.420 --> 51:22.700 things happen that are not necessarily God. So let's 51:22.700 --> 51:25.600 answer a question. What's wrong with people going down and it isn't God? 51:27.500 --> 51:30.700 If they're going down innocently, it's not 51:30.700 --> 51:34.960 a big deal. If there's a willful thing going on, which we'll talk about 51:34.960 --> 51:38.580 here in a bit, excuse me, if there's a willful thing going on, then that becomes a 51:38.580 --> 51:42.740 problem. You say why? Because it becomes a tradition 51:42.740 --> 51:46.540 or a religion. Thus you are nullifying 51:46.540 --> 51:50.480 and making void and of no effect the authority of the word of God 51:51.100 --> 51:52.620 through your traditions. 51:54.020 --> 51:56.720 If we're going down and it's not God 51:58.640 --> 52:02.000 but it's a tradition, it's what we do, it 52:02.000 --> 52:05.680 actually robs God's word 52:06.440 --> 52:09.300 of its power. It gets in the way. 52:11.280 --> 52:14.120 So I want to look at the tradition part just a little bit here. 52:14.260 --> 52:18.520 Because we pray for people here. We have prayer lines probably more Sundays than 52:18.520 --> 52:22.080 not. We pray for people. Not because it's 52:22.080 --> 52:26.340 a tradition or a nice thing to do. We actually 52:26.340 --> 52:29.200 believe prayer can change things. 52:29.740 --> 52:34.480 And we pray for people because we believe it can change things. If we 52:34.480 --> 52:38.180 get in agreement and we pray with each other. So we do this. 52:39.360 --> 52:42.480 But tradition can get involved. The first time I saw 52:42.480 --> 52:46.480 tradition getting involved with a prayer line, this again was back 52:46.480 --> 52:50.360 in Colorado. I'm not sure why you ended up 52:50.360 --> 52:54.280 on the catching end of this. We didn't have enough 52:54.280 --> 52:58.860 catchers. I don't remember what the deal was. But I'm going down the prayer line. 52:58.960 --> 53:02.440 I come to this lady. I barely touch her. Boom! She goes 53:02.440 --> 53:06.320 down. And the Holy Spirit said to me, get her back up. That was 53:06.320 --> 53:09.820 not me. That was demonic. She's got a demon and it's trying to get away from the anointing. 53:11.980 --> 53:14.440 So I said, get her back up. Well, Mary was there 53:14.440 --> 53:17.860 and got her back up. I said, I want to pray for you and you're not going down. 53:19.300 --> 53:22.300 She tried every way to go down. I remember Mary standing there bracing 53:22.300 --> 53:25.600 herself. Trying to keep her up. I said, don't let her fall down. 53:26.780 --> 53:29.920 She's got to stay up. This is not a God thing. 53:32.120 --> 53:34.460 And well, eventually we got the thing out and 53:34.460 --> 53:38.300 God dealt with. But she was trying her best to get up. I mean, I'm going down. 53:38.660 --> 53:42.080 No, you're not. So what she was feeling 53:42.080 --> 53:44.680 actually was the demonic, not God. 53:46.520 --> 53:48.340 That messed with my theology. 53:49.880 --> 53:53.000 Every so often God will throw one in on you and go, there, deal with that one. 53:54.180 --> 53:55.820 Put that in your pipe and smoke it. 54:00.220 --> 54:02.300 I had to really start studying this 54:02.300 --> 54:06.100 whole thing at that point and finding out what is going on. What is this 54:06.100 --> 54:10.500 all about? There are times 54:12.700 --> 54:14.600 people should stay standing. 54:15.160 --> 54:18.760 Have any of you catchers? You've seen me do this. 54:19.380 --> 54:22.680 I'll say keep them up. Don't let them go down. Hold them up. 54:24.700 --> 54:25.620 They're like this. 54:26.400 --> 54:28.540 Hold them up. They're not supposed to go down. Keep them up. 54:30.820 --> 54:34.360 What's the reason for that? There's something spiritual going on 54:34.360 --> 54:38.100 and it's not the power of God trying to lay them over. It's something else. 54:39.060 --> 54:42.080 Now had I not learned that, I'd have just went along 54:42.080 --> 54:46.200 with tradition. Well, she went down, leave her alone. Let's move on. God's working on her. 54:46.360 --> 54:50.080 Wouldn't God at all? The demon wanted 54:50.080 --> 54:53.980 her out of the prayer because it knew 54:53.980 --> 54:56.460 if I hang around here too long, I'm toast. 54:58.780 --> 55:01.680 So it can actually get in the way 55:02.300 --> 55:06.040 of what's going on. So that question of 55:06.040 --> 55:09.700 what happens if it's not God and somebody goes down. 55:10.400 --> 55:14.100 Well, but it's innocent. We're all growing. We're all trying to figure this out. 55:14.220 --> 55:18.240 We're all moving forward in God. His grace covers 55:18.240 --> 55:21.600 stuff like that. If it's willful, 55:24.690 --> 55:27.230 and by willful I mean it's a choice 55:27.750 --> 55:31.610 to where this isn't God, but we're going to make it happen anyway, 55:34.290 --> 55:35.670 that's a former rebellion. 55:35.670 --> 55:39.670 And that happens more from my perspective 55:40.710 --> 55:43.570 with ministers than it does 55:43.570 --> 55:47.350 the people being prayed for. And I'll explain that in a bit. We'll get to it. 55:48.310 --> 55:50.790 But if it's not God, it's fake. 55:51.870 --> 55:55.190 It's not real. And if it's not real, 55:55.470 --> 55:59.150 we're being hypocrites. We're just playing a role. We're just, oh, that's what I 55:59.150 --> 56:03.470 thought to do. So I'm going to go over. We're playing, we're wearing a mask. We're playing a role. 56:04.530 --> 56:05.690 Would it be okay 56:06.690 --> 56:11.510 if, well, I know this isn't God, but I'm going to act like I'm going to give somebody a word of 56:11.510 --> 56:17.560 knowledge? Well, I know this isn't God, but I'm going to give 56:17.560 --> 56:20.560 a message in tongues and see if they're dumb enough to interpret it. 56:22.500 --> 56:25.300 I mean, would that be okay? No. 56:26.920 --> 56:29.600 Well, I don't really believe in healing, but I'm going to tell them God 56:29.600 --> 56:33.600 wants them healed and this, that, and the other. That would be, see, we're playing a 56:33.600 --> 56:36.720 game to fake 56:37.700 --> 56:41.580 a vision. Well, I never had a vision, but I'm going to fake I had one 56:41.580 --> 56:44.880 and it'll make me look spiritual. No, it's not okay. 56:45.480 --> 56:49.000 Why? Because people eventually get hurt. Somehow the truth 56:49.540 --> 56:53.400 will always find its way out. And if someone's 56:53.400 --> 56:55.440 falling down and it's not a genuine thing, 56:57.220 --> 57:00.480 according to Scripture, why would that be okay? Now, if it's innocent, 57:00.480 --> 57:04.340 wouldn't be concerned about it. We're all growing. If it's willful, 57:04.580 --> 57:08.620 it becomes a problem because it creates a tradition, a religious 57:08.620 --> 57:11.540 tradition. And like we already found out, 57:12.660 --> 57:16.580 it can stop the moving of the actual power of the Word of God. 57:18.080 --> 57:20.460 So what's wrong if it's not God? 57:22.080 --> 57:24.260 So here we're going to go a little deeper in this one. 57:25.440 --> 57:26.760 It caters to the flesh. 57:30.060 --> 57:31.980 There's nothing in Scripture to say that 57:33.260 --> 57:35.400 God is doing greater things 57:36.360 --> 57:40.440 if a person falls down. I mean, I haven't seen it. 57:40.500 --> 57:43.380 If you can help me see it, I'm teachable. Show it to me. 57:46.600 --> 57:48.360 In fact, there's not one example 57:48.360 --> 57:50.960 in Scripture of someone falling down when they were being prayed for. 57:52.020 --> 57:56.360 And like I said, maybe I've missed them, so please help me. It always happened 57:56.360 --> 58:00.140 when the glory or the presence of God showed up or an angel or Jesus 58:00.140 --> 58:04.000 manifested in the physical, which would be a glorious thing too. 58:04.940 --> 58:08.280 So here's the question. So then why is it such a big deal in our 58:08.280 --> 58:10.620 circles in this time? 58:12.180 --> 58:15.900 I think it's because we have some preconceived notions. It's become a tradition. 58:16.080 --> 58:20.360 It's become a ritual because we have some preconceived notions that are connected 58:20.360 --> 58:23.980 to the tradition. And the notions, 58:23.980 --> 58:27.800 the preconceived notions are not scriptural. But there's some 58:27.800 --> 58:32.000 reasons we want it to happen. And we want it to 58:32.000 --> 58:35.920 happen for people being prayed for. And if we're the person praying, 58:36.160 --> 58:39.980 we want it to happen. So what could some of the 58:39.980 --> 58:44.080 preconceived notions be? I'll give you some thoughts, think about. 58:45.280 --> 58:47.860 The person must have really been touched 58:47.860 --> 58:50.840 by God. Look how they went down. 58:54.430 --> 58:57.010 Well, then the people Jesus prayed for, none of them were touched 58:57.010 --> 59:00.370 by God. Not really. 59:03.420 --> 59:06.440 See, when you take those preconceived ideas 59:07.700 --> 59:10.160 and lay them against Scripture, all of a sudden 59:10.160 --> 59:12.280 it's like, wait a second, that don't fit. 59:15.810 --> 59:19.930 Paul said, I don't come to you with wise 59:19.930 --> 59:24.050 and persuasive words. I come to you with 59:24.050 --> 59:27.710 the demonstration of the power of God and the Holy Spirit. 59:29.330 --> 59:31.430 How many people went down under Paul's ministry? 59:34.990 --> 59:38.050 Scripture doesn't say there was one. No, I'm sure there was. 59:39.070 --> 59:40.430 But Scripture don't point it out. 59:44.820 --> 59:47.980 So, it does not necessarily mean 59:47.980 --> 59:51.580 God's doing a greater thing because someone fell down. 59:53.380 --> 59:54.960 Doesn't necessarily mean that. 59:57.180 --> 59:58.160 I've heard this. 59:59.400 --> 01:00:02.980 Heard this in my first pastorate. Wow, they must be 01:00:02.980 --> 01:00:06.940 spiritual. I mean, they must be really in tune with God for him to come on 01:00:06.940 --> 01:00:12.480 them that strong that they fall down. That is nothing 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:16.400 to do with it. I've seen people who 01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:19.220 are close to spitting in God's face go down. 01:00:21.080 --> 01:00:24.360 They know nothing about God, and he just showed himself strong and went 01:00:26.360 --> 01:00:27.140 down. They went. 01:00:28.340 --> 01:00:32.420 But a preconceived notion can be, oh, they must be so spiritual 01:00:32.420 --> 01:00:35.940 because the power of God comes on them so strong. We don't even know it's the power of God. 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.160 They might be playing a game to impress you. 01:00:44.600 --> 01:00:47.660 I don't know. Or 01:00:48.420 --> 01:00:52.340 here's the one from my side of the fence. You're the congregation minister in this side of the 01:00:52.340 --> 01:00:56.040 fence. We think it shows the power is really 01:00:56.040 --> 01:00:59.660 flowing through the minister when he prays for people and they go down. 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:03.920 It makes the minister seem so much more 01:01:03.920 --> 01:01:07.680 powerful and spiritual in our circles. 01:01:08.220 --> 01:01:11.980 The prophecy, face 01:01:12.940 --> 01:01:15.520 charismatic, penny-costal, spirit-filled circles. 01:01:16.560 --> 01:01:19.200 It's like, wow, did you see him? He laid hands on them. 01:01:19.660 --> 01:01:21.780 Man, the power of God must be strong on him. 01:01:26.510 --> 01:01:28.850 So that should explain 01:01:28.850 --> 01:01:32.710 to you why it's such a temptation for a minister 01:01:34.150 --> 01:01:37.110 to try to make people 01:01:37.110 --> 01:01:40.830 go down because if they do it will make me 01:01:40.830 --> 01:01:44.570 look good to you. You'll all be impressed 01:01:44.570 --> 01:01:48.790 with me. That is a real 01:01:48.790 --> 01:01:52.110 temptation on our side of the fence. 01:01:53.470 --> 01:01:56.310 That's why if nothing's happening 01:01:56.310 --> 01:02:00.230 in certain prayer lines, if you'll pay attention, you'll see it. Certain ministers 01:02:00.230 --> 01:02:05.940 will start pushing. Why are they doing that? You actually 01:02:05.940 --> 01:02:09.580 have to take a step back or two to stay standing because they're pushing. 01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:13.720 Why? There ain't nothing happening. People will think 01:02:13.720 --> 01:02:16.280 I'm lame. Nobody's going down. 01:02:19.190 --> 01:02:23.290 We don't walk by sight. We walk by faith. Nobody could 01:02:23.290 --> 01:02:26.170 go down. Every one of them received some miraculous, wonderful healing. 01:02:26.610 --> 01:02:31.150 It not dependent on going down. I had one lady, again 01:02:31.150 --> 01:02:35.150 my first pastor, we had a lady evangelist come in who the church wanted 01:02:35.150 --> 01:02:38.810 to come in. She's so wonderful. She's so great. And God so moves. 01:02:39.450 --> 01:02:42.750 So she had a prayer line and I was walking behind the people. 01:02:42.890 --> 01:02:46.450 She was on this side prayer line. I was on this side as she went down the prayer line. 01:02:47.610 --> 01:02:50.890 All of a sudden right by the aisle she decided to go 01:02:50.890 --> 01:02:53.750 after me. She's going to pray for me. So she did. 01:02:56.010 --> 01:02:58.830 You know the head thing some ministers 01:02:58.830 --> 01:03:01.230 do? Get their hand on your head. 01:03:04.780 --> 01:03:07.040 Does that make a prayer more powerful? 01:03:08.940 --> 01:03:10.860 No, it knocks you off balance so you go down. 01:03:13.520 --> 01:03:15.040 I'm just calling it what it is. 01:03:17.420 --> 01:03:20.160 She hit me. My head went back. 01:03:20.680 --> 01:03:23.980 I took two, three steps back and I looked at her 01:03:23.980 --> 01:03:28.120 and she looked at me like, you could almost see 01:03:28.120 --> 01:03:32.200 the wheels turning. Why didn't you go down? So then she hit me in my 01:03:32.200 --> 01:03:35.160 chest. In Jesus name, bam! 01:03:37.940 --> 01:03:40.240 I thought I ain't feeling the power of God, but you're 01:03:40.240 --> 01:03:44.300 pretty pushy. And I just, she kept pushing 01:03:44.300 --> 01:03:48.200 me down the aisle. We went down the aisle always. Finally she got the 01:03:48.200 --> 01:03:52.240 message. I'm not going over. Why would 01:03:52.240 --> 01:03:54.960 she want that to happen so desperately? 01:03:58.430 --> 01:04:00.450 If I'd have went down it would have made her look good. 01:04:02.290 --> 01:04:03.390 This didn't turn out well. 01:04:05.550 --> 01:04:08.190 The temptation on our side 01:04:09.530 --> 01:04:13.410 that the demonic dangles the carrot in front of us 01:04:15.830 --> 01:04:17.990 it will make me look 01:04:17.990 --> 01:04:25.480 good. So we're going to find a way 01:04:26.720 --> 01:04:28.440 to help these people to go down 01:04:30.680 --> 01:04:39.210 whether they know it or not. Big statement 01:04:39.210 --> 01:04:43.230 coming. You ready? Do you know what that is? 01:04:44.730 --> 01:04:45.450 Nope. Back up. 01:04:47.270 --> 01:04:51.030 Missed this one. I'll just say it to you. Do you know what that is 01:04:51.030 --> 01:04:55.250 when that happens? That is a display of 01:04:55.250 --> 01:04:58.750 flesh, insecurity sometimes 01:04:59.650 --> 01:05:00.970 and or pride. 01:05:02.770 --> 01:05:07.170 If I as a minister have to 01:05:07.170 --> 01:05:09.890 make something happen that's not happening 01:05:10.850 --> 01:05:14.830 I'm wrong. I'm wrong. 01:05:17.710 --> 01:05:21.330 So I watch in this church I watch very closely 01:05:21.330 --> 01:05:25.010 for pushing. The neck rearranging 01:05:27.490 --> 01:05:28.970 You know if somebody does actually 01:05:28.970 --> 01:05:29.690 have neck problems 01:05:32.890 --> 01:05:35.530 are you trying to heal them or kill them? What are you doing? 01:05:36.650 --> 01:05:41.130 They actually have a neck problem. I watch that 01:05:41.130 --> 01:05:44.690 real close. I want God to move 01:05:44.690 --> 01:05:49.130 unrestrictedly but I don't want the fake. I want the real. 01:05:50.630 --> 01:05:51.870 And it can be real 01:05:52.730 --> 01:05:55.890 but it also can go awry. So what do I look for? 01:05:56.370 --> 01:05:59.770 Let's wrap it up. I look for and I word it 01:05:59.770 --> 01:06:04.070 this way let me explain it. I want to see the person go straight down 01:06:04.070 --> 01:06:07.790 or the inability to stand like it says in Scripture. 01:06:08.990 --> 01:06:11.510 That doesn't mean every time someone 01:06:11.510 --> 01:06:14.290 goes this way it's not God. 01:06:15.910 --> 01:06:19.770 But it just when I lay my hands on somebody 01:06:20.630 --> 01:06:23.530 and there's been a few times this has happened because sometimes 01:06:23.530 --> 01:06:26.810 people have never felt the tangible presence of God 01:06:27.570 --> 01:06:31.230 they've never had it happen. Their church doesn't 01:06:31.590 --> 01:06:34.090 happen there and they end up in a prayer line. 01:06:35.150 --> 01:06:39.130 And I lay my hands on him sometimes the Holy Spirit will say tell him to stand 01:06:39.830 --> 01:06:43.510 and I know what he means. So I'll tell him I want you to do 01:06:43.510 --> 01:06:47.550 everything you can to stand because the tangible presence 01:06:47.550 --> 01:06:51.530 of God is going to come on you now and I want you to try to stay standing. 01:06:53.850 --> 01:06:55.610 That's to show them 01:06:56.930 --> 01:06:59.730 not me. That's to show 01:06:59.730 --> 01:07:03.250 them the tangible presence power of God coming on them. 01:07:04.130 --> 01:07:06.910 And they'll come on, stay standing 01:07:08.010 --> 01:07:11.490 and they go down. They will 01:07:11.490 --> 01:07:15.210 never be the same again. Not because of me. 01:07:15.210 --> 01:07:18.730 They just experienced something that God wanted them to experience 01:07:18.730 --> 01:07:20.670 that will change their lives forever. 01:07:26.470 --> 01:07:27.470 The traditional 01:07:27.470 --> 01:07:30.690 you know, okay, I got 01:07:30.690 --> 01:07:34.490 catcher. Somebody's praying for me. I'm feeling the power of God. I'm just going to go down. 01:07:34.850 --> 01:07:38.550 And it's so nice. It happens so easily and so smooth and there's 01:07:38.550 --> 01:07:42.270 it just looks good. I pay very little attention to those. 01:07:43.550 --> 01:07:45.310 From this side of the fence, 01:07:45.770 --> 01:07:49.710 I just don't pay very little. That doesn't mean God did anything to me. 01:07:51.690 --> 01:07:53.590 Because anybody can do that. 01:07:55.410 --> 01:07:57.670 So I just don't pay much attention to those. 01:07:58.170 --> 01:08:01.830 I'm looking for the inability to stand. And secondly 01:08:03.170 --> 01:08:05.890 I'm looking for a dramatic change 01:08:05.890 --> 01:08:09.010 in the person when they get back up. 01:08:09.010 --> 01:08:12.970 Let's stop and think about it. If the power of God comes on 01:08:12.970 --> 01:08:17.450 a person so strong that it overwhelms 01:08:17.450 --> 01:08:20.850 their physical body and they go down, that's the Scripture 01:08:20.850 --> 01:08:25.230 away. We just showed you from Scripture. They can't stand. 01:08:26.410 --> 01:08:28.330 If that happens to someone 01:08:29.090 --> 01:08:32.910 when they get up, something has had 01:08:32.910 --> 01:08:37.130 to change in them. I mean there needs 01:08:37.130 --> 01:08:40.990 to be some obvious. Wow, did that change 01:08:40.990 --> 01:08:44.170 them? Look at the examples in Scripture. 01:08:45.570 --> 01:08:49.250 Moses went down. When he got up, okay God, I'll obey 01:08:49.250 --> 01:08:53.130 you. Something changed. Disobedience to 01:08:53.130 --> 01:08:55.750 obedience. Joshua had the same thing happen. 01:08:56.990 --> 01:09:00.790 When he got up, okay God, I'll go to war for you. I might die, but that's okay. 01:09:00.890 --> 01:09:04.030 I'm going to go to war for you. Paul, 01:09:04.030 --> 01:09:07.890 there's a good one. Blown off his horse. 01:09:10.290 --> 01:09:11.910 That fast he changed 01:09:11.910 --> 01:09:17.700 from killing Christians to being one. See it 01:09:17.700 --> 01:09:21.700 if you track it through Scripture where people have had things to happen like 01:09:21.700 --> 01:09:23.620 Peter. Peter is a Jew. 01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:29.460 Acts 10. God is about to convince him this 01:09:29.740 --> 01:09:33.820 message of the gospel is not just for Jewish people, it's for Gentiles 01:09:33.820 --> 01:09:37.820 too. Throws him to the ground in a trance 01:09:37.820 --> 01:09:42.000 when Peter came up. His whole theology had changed. 01:09:43.080 --> 01:09:43.600 Everything. 01:09:45.560 --> 01:09:49.780 That's what I look for. If you went down 01:09:49.780 --> 01:09:53.700 when you come up over a period of next 01:09:53.700 --> 01:09:57.740 week, two, three weeks, there should be some major change that takes place in you. 01:10:00.900 --> 01:10:01.420 Again, 01:10:01.420 --> 01:10:04.980 I don't have a lot of use for 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.320 we go down 50 times and we come up 01:10:09.320 --> 01:10:12.580 and nothing's changing in our life. I just don't have use for that. 01:10:13.380 --> 01:10:16.940 I don't find it in Scripture. That's why. I just don't find it in Scripture. 01:10:17.940 --> 01:10:20.740 If the power of God hit you that hard, something needs to be changing. 01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:25.520 So, principle, you've heard me say this many times. 01:10:28.180 --> 01:10:29.300 How can we find 01:10:29.300 --> 01:10:32.560 in a very common sense way, what's God? 01:10:34.040 --> 01:10:35.760 Remember the two ditches principle? 01:10:37.540 --> 01:10:41.100 This applies to anything when it comes to the kingdom of God. 01:10:41.480 --> 01:10:44.800 Plies to anything. Try to find the 01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:49.060 furthest extreme on this side you can think of. Try to find 01:10:49.060 --> 01:10:52.280 the furthest extreme on this side you can think of. 01:10:53.540 --> 01:10:57.300 And come to what looks like the middle between 01:10:57.300 --> 01:11:00.720 those two. And you're probably at least on the road. 01:11:02.340 --> 01:11:04.980 Might not be in the middle of the road, but you're at least on the road. 01:11:05.620 --> 01:11:09.280 For instance, the Corinthians. They were 01:11:09.280 --> 01:11:13.240 in an extreme way over there. They were talking in tongues 01:11:13.240 --> 01:11:17.280 all the time, anytime, every time they walk into the church and they talk in tongues 01:11:17.280 --> 01:11:20.060 the message, the pastor would deliver messages in tongues. 01:11:22.200 --> 01:11:24.620 The whole message would be in tongues. 01:11:24.620 --> 01:11:28.520 And it's just like, well I don't know how much further that way you can get 01:11:28.520 --> 01:11:31.700 than that. The other is, 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:36.580 it's not of God at all. Tongues is not of God at all. Shouldn't happen, period. 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:39.560 Well come this way 01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:43.600 and come this way. Tongues is of God, 01:11:44.160 --> 01:11:48.500 but that ain't. So we need to learn 01:11:48.500 --> 01:11:51.380 how to function in this. It'll get you on the road. 01:11:51.380 --> 01:11:55.400 Let me apply it to this. Every time we go 01:11:55.400 --> 01:11:58.340 to word of life, everybody that gets prayed for goes down. 01:11:59.460 --> 01:12:01.460 Well how much further that way can you get than that? 01:12:04.360 --> 01:12:06.920 Or we've never seen anybody ever 01:12:06.920 --> 01:12:10.620 go down in my lifetime. Well it's about as far as you can get that way. 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:15.140 Come this way. People are supposed to 01:12:15.140 --> 01:12:19.340 experience the power of God. Bring that back 01:12:19.340 --> 01:12:23.120 to what scripture says. It's not as 01:12:23.120 --> 01:12:26.740 important as we sometimes make it. 01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:31.120 Well they got to go down to receive. No they don't. That's not 01:12:31.120 --> 01:12:35.340 scriptural. Bring that back. Well does God 01:12:35.340 --> 01:12:37.720 ever do it? Well yeah, he does. He does. 01:12:39.620 --> 01:12:43.120 So we got to try to find a balance in the whole thing 01:12:43.120 --> 01:12:46.620 to where we're not denying it all or just goofy. 01:12:47.100 --> 01:12:48.460 Because neither one is right. 01:12:53.140 --> 01:12:54.600 It's a very holy thing 01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:00.180 between God and the person. If you look at the scriptural 01:13:00.180 --> 01:13:03.180 themes, remember the glory or the presence of God showed up, 01:13:03.860 --> 01:13:06.180 Jesus showed up or an angel showed up. 01:13:08.970 --> 01:13:13.150 I'm going to speak prophetically right now because I believe that the Holy Spirit wants it 01:13:13.150 --> 01:13:17.250 proclaimed. There will be people who will go down 01:13:17.250 --> 01:13:20.990 fall down when they're being prayed for, go down into the power of God 01:13:20.990 --> 01:13:25.250 in our open heaven meetings. And it's because an 01:13:25.250 --> 01:13:27.930 angel stepped in 01:13:28.970 --> 01:13:33.370 and touched them and is doing something with them. That's scriptural. 01:13:34.270 --> 01:13:36.610 Now people will freak out. Angel coming to 01:13:37.250 --> 01:13:40.270 you're getting weird. No actually that's scripture. 01:13:42.230 --> 01:13:43.250 That's accurate. 01:13:44.810 --> 01:13:47.410 So it will happen. But it's 01:13:47.410 --> 01:13:50.630 a holy experience between the person and God. 01:13:51.650 --> 01:13:53.570 It has nothing to do with the prayer. 01:13:54.770 --> 01:13:59.090 Can't find that in scripture. Where they're so full of the power of God that 01:13:59.090 --> 01:14:03.370 every time they pray for somebody, somebody's going down. That is not scriptural. 01:14:04.030 --> 01:14:07.070 And it has nothing to do with the person being 01:14:07.070 --> 01:14:10.930 good enough or so spiritual or so holy that God just 01:14:10.930 --> 01:14:13.710 here let me reward you for your wonderfulness. 01:14:15.970 --> 01:14:17.130 Not in scripture. 01:14:19.250 --> 01:14:22.250 But God does meet his people that way. 01:14:25.580 --> 01:14:28.420 It can happen. It's a holy thing. 01:14:29.420 --> 01:14:32.960 So to answer the questions. I attended your church and wanted 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:36.180 to get prayed for when I got in the prayer line. People were falling down so I did too. 01:14:36.460 --> 01:14:40.400 That's okay. You didn't know any better. Is that something that is supposed to happen 01:14:40.400 --> 01:14:44.060 when people get prayed for at the church? Maybe. Sometimes. 01:14:45.980 --> 01:14:48.440 Occasionally. Do I need 01:14:48.440 --> 01:14:50.840 to fall down every time? Please don't. 01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:56.420 Please don't. There is no precedent in 01:14:56.420 --> 01:15:00.440 scripture to say that as God. Why do people fall 01:15:00.440 --> 01:15:04.440 down when they get prayed for? Some it's genuine. The power of God is coming 01:15:04.440 --> 01:15:08.380 on them. My opinion, most it's a tradition. It's something that we 01:15:08.380 --> 01:15:10.980 do. We're looking around. Other people are going down. 01:15:12.280 --> 01:15:16.340 What if I'm the only one standing? People in the crowd going to look at me like what's wrong 01:15:16.340 --> 01:15:19.960 with them? What kind of sin did they have in their life? They didn't go down. Everybody else went down. 01:15:20.140 --> 01:15:23.180 There they stand. So I better go down too. 01:15:25.260 --> 01:15:27.020 Yeah. Let's not do that. 01:15:29.620 --> 01:15:31.860 They can get prayed. They can go down because it was God. 01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:35.660 And then they can go down because it wasn't God. I can't find in the Bible 01:15:35.660 --> 01:15:39.580 where it says people need to fall down when they're prayed for. Is it in the Bible? No, 01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:46.200 it's not. It's not in the Bible where 01:15:46.200 --> 01:15:50.600 someone prayed for someone and they went down. It is in the Bible that people 01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:54.700 go down under the power. But it's not in the 01:15:54.700 --> 01:15:58.060 Bible that someone laid hands on them and they went down. That's not scriptural. 01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:01.920 Does it happen? I think occasionally it should. I've seen it happen. 01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.560 When I laid hands on Heather, I had no intention of going down. 01:16:06.280 --> 01:16:09.880 Next thing I know, I'm smacking my head on the wall and she's laying on top of me 01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:12.760 and I was like, okay, we didn't plan this one well, did we? 01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:16.500 But that was God. So it can happen. 01:16:17.540 --> 01:16:21.520 But again, we're looking for balance. If it's of God, I'm for it. I'm 01:16:21.520 --> 01:16:25.140 100% for it. But it's not a requirement to receive. 01:16:25.420 --> 01:16:29.600 It's not a sign that God's really moving. It's not an indicator that the minister is super 01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:33.360 anointed. And going down is not a guarantee of the 01:16:33.360 --> 01:16:37.840 promise being fulfilled in us. Faith is the guarantee of the 01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:41.580 promise. However, I have seen God do some 01:16:41.580 --> 01:16:45.460 astounding things in people, myself included, when they were 01:16:45.460 --> 01:16:49.740 on the floor under the power of God. So we can't just 01:16:49.740 --> 01:16:53.600 disregard it. That's a ditch. It needs to be real. That's the middle 01:16:53.600 --> 01:16:57.620 of the road. It needs to be treated with respect as a holy thing. 01:16:59.200 --> 01:17:01.640 So leading into open heavens, this is just 01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:04.900 one thing and a bunch of questions came in, so I thought, well, I better answer this. 01:17:05.700 --> 01:17:08.800 The more we respect and reverence 01:17:10.060 --> 01:17:13.400 and have awe for the supernatural things 01:17:13.400 --> 01:17:17.520 God does, the more intensely He will do 01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:21.720 them. We are living in a society where things 01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:25.740 are very much commonplace. Everything becomes very much 01:17:25.740 --> 01:17:31.240 commonplace. I don't want anything 01:17:31.240 --> 01:17:34.780 that happens when we are meeting with God, seeking 01:17:34.780 --> 01:17:39.300 His face, looking for answers, looking to minister to Him. I don't want 01:17:39.300 --> 01:17:42.780 anything to be regarded as commonplace. 01:17:44.220 --> 01:17:47.260 Everything is holy. And if 01:17:47.260 --> 01:17:51.200 we will reverence it and respect it, God 01:17:51.200 --> 01:17:58.390 will honor that. Father, 01:18:01.600 --> 01:18:03.880 we just want your best. 01:18:04.860 --> 01:18:07.960 Jesus bought and paid for your best. 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:12.100 We want what Jesus bought and 01:18:12.100 --> 01:18:13.880 paid for. We want your best. 01:18:15.860 --> 01:18:20.060 We want more and more and more people healed. We want more and more 01:18:20.060 --> 01:18:23.640 miracles. We want more and more people saved. We want everybody 01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:27.680 who saved, baptized in the Holy Spirit, with the ability to speak 01:18:27.680 --> 01:18:31.900 in their own spiritual prayer language. We want to see 01:18:31.900 --> 01:18:35.560 visions and have dreams. The last day's language, 01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:39.520 one of the languages according to Acts 2, we want 01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:41.860 you to move among us. 01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:47.920 We just want it to be real. And as we're moving 01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:52.060 forward, God, we're all going to examine our hearts, myself included. 01:18:53.260 --> 01:18:55.580 We reverence what you do 01:18:55.580 --> 01:18:58.460 among us. We honor it. 01:18:59.400 --> 01:19:01.960 It is not something that we take lightly. 01:19:02.420 --> 01:19:06.540 It is not common to us. And it will never be allowed to become common 01:19:06.540 --> 01:19:10.420 to us. So when something supernatural happens, we're never going to get to 01:19:10.420 --> 01:19:13.780 the point of going home. We expect it, 01:19:14.420 --> 01:19:18.420 but that doesn't mean we don't stand back and say, look what God just 01:19:18.420 --> 01:19:22.100 did. Look what God just did. 01:19:22.980 --> 01:19:26.240 And we reverence you and give you all the 01:19:26.240 --> 01:19:30.120 glory and the praise and the honor for anything 01:19:30.120 --> 01:19:33.960 and everything you do. And Lord, 01:19:34.100 --> 01:19:38.040 if there's things going on that are getting in the way, traditions, rituals, 01:19:38.960 --> 01:19:41.260 show them to us so that we knock it off 01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:46.340 and we get back to what the real is that you're offering to us 01:19:47.020 --> 01:19:48.460 in Jesus' name. 01:19:50.740 --> 01:19:53.380 In Jesus' name. Lord, protect everyone. 01:19:54.560 --> 01:19:56.240 Watch over us. Keep us. 01:19:57.420 --> 01:19:59.500 And help us to begin making 01:20:01.580 --> 01:20:05.260 a focus to be ready for that first 01:20:05.260 --> 01:20:09.380 full week in January when our whole focus 01:20:09.380 --> 01:20:13.180 is on God. This is about you. Jesus, 01:20:13.480 --> 01:20:17.360 this is about you. And we will come and we will 01:20:17.360 --> 01:20:21.160 worship and we will sing and we will praise and we will hear the word 01:20:21.160 --> 01:20:25.200 and we will see wonderful things happen 01:20:25.200 --> 01:20:28.840 because it's all about you. 01:20:30.460 --> 01:20:33.100 Help us to begin changing that 01:20:33.100 --> 01:20:35.860 direction even now in Jesus' name. 01:20:36.980 --> 01:20:40.520 Posturing our heart that way. Getting ready. 01:20:41.020 --> 01:20:45.280 Preparing the soil for great, great, great things to 01:20:45.280 --> 01:20:49.340 happen. If it's only in one person, great, great 01:20:49.340 --> 01:20:51.980 things happen. It will have been worth all of it. 01:20:52.940 --> 01:20:56.760 But I believe it's going to be way more than one in Jesus' name. 01:20:56.940 --> 01:21:00.040 We ask it and we pray it and we thank you for it.