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We are going to go into something this Sunday and next Sunday that are going to be very interesting.

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I was planning on talking about angels and how they're active among us this morning and it's going to be postponed until next Sunday morning.

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Jim, are you back next Sunday morning? You're back? Good.

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I thought you were gone this week.

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Oh, okay. Good. I need you here.

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I was planning and I had it all kind of laid out the beginning of the week and then by Wednesday as I was continuing to put things together,

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you know, different points I want to make, the Holy Spirit started asking me questions like, well, how did that happen?

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How did this happen? And finally I stopped and I said, why are you asking all these questions?

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Because when he leads you, generally he uses questions. He doesn't always just make statements. He uses questions.

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It's to the glory of God to conceal a matter and the glory of a king to search it out.

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So God will hide something, then he'll ask you questions and he expects you to pursue. Go find it.

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So I finally said, why are you doing this? He said, you're presuming too much.

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You're presuming that the people will all understand the background of what you're talking about.

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Oh, well, that's a good point.

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So I started backing up with his questions and I decided, you know what?

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In order to get us on the same page, rather than just jump in and talk about the supernatural and angels,

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maybe we should talk about what we mean by the supernatural and lay that groundwork before we jump forward.

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So we are going to do that this morning and I have some wonderful points on here that I want you to remember,

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but I don't have a PowerPoint because somebody got married this week.

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And I just felt letting them alone is better than my PowerPoint.

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So I'll screen share a little bit. Besides, he changed everything.

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So yesterday it all came together, so it would have been the day after the wedding I'd have been asking you to do stuff.

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And I know you'd have done it, but I just thought, I'm not going to do that.

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So I'll screen share a little bit of my notes when we get to that point.

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But Mary and I have always been focused on the work of the Holy Spirit and the supernatural, always.

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That has been part of my life since before I got into the ministry.

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And the supernatural or how the supernatural operates actually has to be protected.

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If you don't protect it, you lose it.

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You say, why would you have to protect it? Who do you have to protect it from?

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This is going to sound odd when I say it, but it's true.

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You have to protect it from the church, from believers.

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You have to protect it from religion.

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The greatest enemy to the supernatural operating is not the devil.

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It's the church.

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And you'll understand that as we go a little deeper this morning, that'll make more sense to you.

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But we've always tried to make a place for the Holy Spirit to be free to work and guard that anointing and so forth.

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We're dealing with this church in our ministry in Minnesota.

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It was January 2004.

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We were driving, bringing our first load up to put into storage from Colorado.

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And we were signing the papers on the house and everything that we're living in.

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And going through Nebraska, north of North Platte and south of Valentine through the Nebraska Sandhills,

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the Lord made two statements to me.

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Because I was asking, why are we doing this?

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Because we knew it was God.

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He wanted us to do this, but he hadn't told us why.

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I said, why are we doing it? What are we supposed to do?

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And he made two statements. He said, this is for the generations.

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And number two, the church in Minnesota is to be built on the word and the supernatural.

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Hang everything on those two.

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That statement is in our vision booklet on page 62, it's number five.

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Because it became a foundation stone of what are we doing here?

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So the scriptural precedent is, and I'll talk about these little bit generations

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and then the second one, that's our theme for this morning.

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The scriptural precedent, if you look in Scripture,

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the precedent is where you have the supernatural happening, you have angels involved.

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It's not always mentioned 100% of the time.

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But it's mentioned enough that he's giving us the picture

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when God is doing something among us, chances are really good angels are involved.

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So we'll jump off on that next week and move forward.

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I want to go back to this point he made.

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He said the church in Minnesota is to be built on the word, the Bible, the Scripture, and the supernatural.

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Why the emphasis on the supernatural?

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That was the first question that went through my mind.

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Why would it be such a big deal to emphasize the supernatural?

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Well, overall it's, again, once I get a little deeper,

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if we don't have the supernatural folks, we got nothing.

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That's just best way to say it.

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We've got a bunch of philosophy, a bunch of opinions,

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but the supernatural is the heart of everything.

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But once we, you know, we're up here a little over 21 years now.

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And the information I get is not always accurate

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because I don't always get it from other pastors,

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but other church people will say things to me,

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people that go to other churches.

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And I know that what they say is not always accurate

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because I know that sometimes things you say

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about who we are is not always accurate.

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I've heard that from other people, too.

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They said, what? We do what?

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No, let me clarify that.

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I got half a truth there, but it's not the whole thing.

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So I might not be getting the whole picture from other input,

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but we've been up here long enough now that

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when you look in, if you put a stick pin in the map

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where we're located and go out, I would say 20 miles,

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make a circle, 18 miles, something like that,

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and just make a circle around us,

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who in that circle as a church is emphasizing the supernatural?

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The information I'm getting, nobody.

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And it might even go out further than that.

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So one of the reasons he emphasized

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build the church on the supernatural

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is because if you've raised children,

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of course he's our father, we're his children,

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he's raising us.

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If you as a parent have raised children,

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you don't always give children what they want.

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You give them what they need.

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Because if you just give them what they want,

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this is going to be a disaster.

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So you give them what they need.

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Well, this area apparently is not too crazy

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about the supernatural.

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They don't want it.

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But he's saying, but they need it.

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So we pick up the reputation

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of being the weirdos in the land.

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And we do have some of that reputation.

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I go, oh, you go to that church.

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I've heard things about that church.

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It was brought up in...

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We were in the modular.

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We weren't up here more than three, four years.

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And someone brought up...

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I had a question and answer time during a service.

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And someone brought up, they said,

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you realize you have a reputation out there.

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I said, do we?

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What does that mean?

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Well, people think you're kind of weird.

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I said, why?

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Well, it's all the Holy Spirit

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and speaking in tongues and all that stuff.

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Aren't you concerned that

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that's going to cause church growth problems?

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We're meeting in the modular on our property.

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Of course I want church growth.

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I want to get the modular off.

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I mean, only get it off our property.

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I said, well, here's my answer to that.

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I can't do anything about that.

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I mean, if people think we're weird

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because of certain things that we see Scripture saying

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and we're involved in,

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I can't change that

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because it was not my decision to decide on what I preach.

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This is a Jesus problem.

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And if people think we're weird,

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well, then we're weird.

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I said, but I guess I'm naive enough to believe

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that not only are there people who don't know Jesus yet

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who will want and need what we are offering,

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but there's Christians up here

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who are hungry for the supernatural

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and want God to do things

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and God's going to link us up in time.

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So we've just stuck to it.

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But a lot of times people, everybody,

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especially if you have a church background,

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you have probably had some bad experiences

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with something supernatural.

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So we need to talk about it a little bit.

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So he said that for the generations,

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what does generations mean? Longevity.

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The focus.

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The younger generations. Longevity.

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This is not a flash and a pan.

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This is supposed to go on for generations.

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The word, build it on the word and the supernatural.

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The word, well, our name comes out of the word.

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First John 1, 1 through 3.

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What we have seen, what we've heard,

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what we've proclaimed, what we've touched with our hands.

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This we proclaim to you concerning the word of life.

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That's where our name comes out of.

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First John 1, 1 through 3.

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So the word has always been a premium here.

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It's always...

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We're going to speak for 45 minutes or an hour

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about the word.

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He said, why do you preach so long?

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He said build the church on the word

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and the supernatural.

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If you build it on the word,

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you have to give the word some preeminence.

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He didn't say build it on skits.

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You know, some churches are built on that,

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and if that's what God's asking him to do, well, cool.

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He told us to build it on the word.

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So we spend a lot of time looking at the word.

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It's a premium.

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And then he said build it on the supernatural.

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Well, there's the fly in the ointment right there.

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Because I know for a fact

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we'd have been out of this building

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two or three times already

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and we'd be four or five hundred people

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if it weren't for we're so weird.

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And I say that lightly, Lord.

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But, you know, the...

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and we'll talk about some of it this morning.

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But this area of Minnesota

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is not big into the supernatural.

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They don't like it, they don't want it.

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I don't know what the issue is, but they're not big into it.

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So as a result, when someone shows up and says,

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here we are, it's like, whoa.

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That's a different bunch.

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So what do we mean by supernatural

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and why do we need it?

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Can't we have church without it?

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Okay, well, let's look at it a little bit.

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Let's look at the why do we need it first.

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And here I'll try to see if I can

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screen share these scriptures just a little bit.

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And that way you can see the scriptures in front of you

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and then I'll turn it off and turn it back on later.

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Presuming it connects, it did.

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Mark 1620.

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And they went out and preached everywhere,

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the Lord working with them

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and confirming the word through the accompanying signs.

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Why did pagan, heathen,

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people who had never heard of Jesus,

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which was most of the world,

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believe the message?

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Signs and wonders.

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The supernatural confirmed what they were saying was true.

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Without the supernatural, Christianity would no longer exist.

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Now somebody is going to say,

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yeah, but the last part of Mark is not

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in some of the early manuscripts

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so we're not sure it's accurate.

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Well, let's just find a different scripture then.

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So Paul and Barnabas stayed on there for a long time

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speaking freely and fearlessly and boldly.

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See, now they're talking to pagans, to heathens,

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to people who know nothing about the Christian God.

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They continued to bear testimony

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or they spoke boldly in the Lord.

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The Lord who continued, who continued?

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The Lord continued to bear testimony to their word

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of his grace.

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How did Jesus weigh in on what these guys are saying is true?

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Granting signs and wonders

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to be performed by their hands.

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The reason the early people

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who knew nothing of God were converted

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was because they preached the message of God

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and what he did and his forgiveness of sins

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and grace and so forth,

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and they're all going pfft.

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Nice story, but how do we have any idea it's true?

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The Lord weighed in on it.

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And miracles and signs and wonders took place.

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And all of a sudden these heathen, pagan people were going,

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oh, I haven't seen that before.

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Hebrews 2.

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How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation

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which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord

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and was confirmed to us by us who heard him?

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Besides this evidence it is also established

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and plainly endorsed by God who showed his approval of it.

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Of what?

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How shall we escape if we neglect great salvation

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which was first spoken to us by the Lord?

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So the Lord talked to us, Jesus talked to us about salvation

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and was confirmed to us by those who heard him,

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the apostles, they heard it,

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they saw the signs and the wonders.

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Excuse me.

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Besides this evidence, besides the apostles

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and the things that took place with Jesus,

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it was also established and plainly endorsed by God

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who showed his approval of that message by signs and wonders

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and various miraculous manifestations of his power

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and by imparting the gifts of the Holy Spirit to the believers

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according to his own will.

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Why do we need it?

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Because it is the thing that sets us apart

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from every other religion.

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We are supposed to have the supernatural operating

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to confirm the message.

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Or we're just philosophizing.

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We're just sharing all kinds of,

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well, this is what we think and this is what we say

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and this is what we believe, why do you believe it?

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Well, I don't know, there's a book that was written a long time ago.

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Yeah, but is anything real?

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Well, yeah, the book says we should be healed

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but you know, he doesn't do that anymore

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so I don't know what kind of proof to give you.

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Ah, see, we have a problem now.

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He wants to confirm it with the supernatural.

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There's two things that set us apart

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from the other religions of the world.

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One is the resurrection

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and the second is the message is confirmed by the supernatural.

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Otherwise, we're no different than any other man-made religion on earth.

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We have nothing really to talk about

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other than a theory.

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It might be true, it might not be true

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because we've got no power tied to it.

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We've got nothing to give proof

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and God says, I want to give proof, right?

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From the beginning I said I'd give proof.

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I'll work with you giving signs and wonders.

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That's the supernatural.

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So we're no different than any other man-made religion without it.

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So now I'm going to throw something in there.

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There's a little basket of reasons

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why so many of the younger generation

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exited the church in the last,

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the beginning of the 2000s was the worst,

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late 90s and early 2000s.

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There's a little basket of reasons,

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but one of the reasons in that basket

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is because the average church has no supernatural.

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And what happened is these things came along.

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And all of a sudden our young people were exposed

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to any idiot who could get on there

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and get a channel on YouTube.

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Any person who could make a statement

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on Instagram or Facebook

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and all of a sudden all these

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areas of input started coming in

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and not all of them were friendly to the gospel.

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So-and-so says that Christianity isn't even true.

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Mom and Dad, how do we know it's true?

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Well, the Bible says so.

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So-and-so says the Bible isn't even accurate.

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It contradicts itself.

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And all this doubt, all these questions

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were planted with a new way of media.

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And there was nothing happening in the church

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to confirm the message is real.

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No supernatural.

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So what happens?

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I'll just go and figure it out myself.

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I don't believe it anymore.

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So that became a problem.

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And another thing that becomes a problem

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is if the supernatural is not active,

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we are actually less than witchcraft and Satanism.

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Because in witchcraft and Satanism,

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the supernatural is active.

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I mean, just go back to Moses and the pharaoh

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and his magicians.

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They operate in the supernatural.

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It's just our snake swallows theirs.

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In the end, God wins.

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And someone asked this question,

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well, if God is all powerful,

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why doesn't he just obliterate

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and wipe out all that other realm of supernatural?

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Because God is humble.

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God is humble.

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Humility doesn't force someone to kneel.

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Humility invites them to kneel.

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And God's humble.

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He's not going to force anybody

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to do something they don't want to do.

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But once they can put curses and hexes on us

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and destroy our lives

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and we have no means of pushing back,

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we're worse off than they are.

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They're getting something done.

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We're not.

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Amen.

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So the supernatural has to be active.

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So supernatural.

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What is supernatural?

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What do we mean when we say

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the church in Minnesota

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build it on the word and the supernatural?

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What do we mean by that?

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Anything that isn't natural

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in the physical realm.

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Anything that isn't natural.

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Something happens that is different

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than the natural order of things.

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And there's two sides of that.

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There's God and the demonic.

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You got God works on that side

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and the demonic works on that side.

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But just the basic level of supernatural

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is the presence of God in the house or not.

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Because for the presence of God

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to be among us in a way

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that we can sense it like,

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oh, that's different

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than I've ever felt anyplace else.

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Something is here.

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That is supernatural.

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That is not natural

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in the normal physical order of things.

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So now since both sides work in it,

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when you walk into a church,

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you walk into a service,

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you walk into a Bible study and sit down,

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first thing you should be sensing

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which spirit is in charge here.

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Because there's a lot of churches

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who believe in Christianity

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who have the demonic realm in charge.

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And I'll explain to you here in a bit why.

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And when you sit down in there,

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boy, you can feel it

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if you're trying to be in connection with it.

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Just because they have a Christian name on the sign

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and they sing amazing grace

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doesn't mean the place isn't loaded with demons.

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You say, well, why would it be?

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Hang on, we'll get there.

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We'll get there.

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But both sides can operate in the supernatural

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and I've got news for you.

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We are continually being affected

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by the supernatural one side or the other.

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Ephesians 2 says,

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before a person knows God,

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they are living their life

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according to the prince and the power of the air.

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Who's that?

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That's a demonic realm. That's a devil.

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Well, I don't serve any God or devil.

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You don't see it.

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If you're not serving God,

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you are serving Him.

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You say, how?

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Well, it goes on and explains

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by following the dictates of their flesh.

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See, the demonic realm works through our flesh

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to get us to do something.

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God's realm works through our spirit

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to get us to do something.

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And when people are not trying to submit themselves

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to what they sense God is asking them to do,

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they will automatically do what their flesh wants them to do.

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Who gave them that idea?

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Well, who started the whole sin thing?

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Who got in...

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Where did the old nature thing come from?

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That all is demonic. That's all devil.

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So when we're following the flesh,

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we're following the devil.

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So to say, well, there's no supernatural

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that is affecting me at all.

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You're just ignorant.

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You just don't get the big picture.

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The big picture is either we're following God

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or we're following the devil,

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or we're in the middle wrestling with

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both.

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We want to follow God and we're just captivated here

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and we've got to get some freedom,

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some deliverance, whatever, so we can follow Him

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more perfectly.

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So one of the basic things is,

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does, you know,

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that's why you can go to so many churches.

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Pastor Eager talks about this.

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They went to seventy-some churches

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over a two-year period of time before they came here.

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And I thought, that's awesome.

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Because he got to see some things we never want here.

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And you can go to all these churches

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and there's no presence of God.

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There's no supernatural.

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The presence of God is supernatural.

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It's just dead and dry as a bone.

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They put the choruses on the wall.

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One, two, three, here's what we're singing.

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There we're going to have prayer.

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Then after that, there's going to be some announcements.

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And after that, the ladies group is going to talk

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about their pie baking contest.

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And we're using that for a fundraiser.

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And then the pastor is going to speak on this.

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Well, where's the Holy Spirit in any of this?

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What if he wanted to change the order?

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Well, we can't. We got it written out.

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See, there's no supernatural.

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And the place is just dead and dry

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spiritually.

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Might be a wonderful group of people.

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But just dead and dry spiritually.

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Nothing's going on.

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Well, I beg to differ.

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There is something going on.

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If God is not there, I can tell you who is.

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There is no vacuum in between those two.

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Either we're under the influence

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of the demonic or we're under the influence

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of God.

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And it always shows up in the fruit.

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You say, but people give

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and there's nice buildings and we sing

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songs and

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so do the Muslims.

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They got nicer buildings than we got.

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Because we're giving them all our oil money.

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Or we were.

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Just because you have a physical thing

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doesn't mean you have a spiritual happening.

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So

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is God free to move

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by his spirit?

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If he is, supernatural things will

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happen. One of them is

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the presence of God shows up.

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It's just basic.

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It's just basic.

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And if the time comes that the presence of God doesn't

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show up here for two, three Sundays in a row

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I am highly disturbed

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and on my face figuring out what did we do.

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Because it's not that God

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doesn't want to show up.

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He's not showing up. This is an

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us problem.

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So we have figured out.

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So let's talk about it a little bit.

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Here I'll go back and I'll show you my

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list. And

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I want you to have a visual on this

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so you can see what I'm talking about.

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Supernatural.

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What do we see as supernatural?

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Do you realize that the first basic

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thing that I think almost every Christian

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church believes in the salvation of

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people's souls, people getting saved

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is a very supernatural thing.

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Let me break it down to how someone

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who knows nothing about salvation would look at

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this. I had a friend

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they invited me to go to

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their church. So I went.

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When I was sitting there

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I started feeling this weird

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feeling.

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And I was getting

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really bothered about

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things that whatever that guy

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was up there talking

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some things he was saying was really bothering

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me.

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And I felt like maybe I need to do something

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different with my life.

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So that guy gave an invitation

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anybody who wants to

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pray to God do that. So I prayed

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to God. I got up

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came in the front and I prayed to God.

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Who's God?

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Well God is a spirit

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I guess.

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Okay? So I prayed to a spirit

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and after I was done

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praying

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the guy who was talking

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the whole time told me he said

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well now a spirit has

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come to live inside you.

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Okay?

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And this spirit will want to

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talk to you and will want to lead you

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through life.

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So you need to read this book

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because this book will

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help that spirit talk to you.

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So I've been doing this

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now for about six months and you know

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my life is changing. I don't know

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if it's that spirit that's doing

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something or the words of that book.

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I don't know what it is.

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But I have a spirit living inside

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me and now I

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pray to a spirit every

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day.

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You know how freaking weird that sounds

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to a natural mind?

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Somebody who's not thinking

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spiritually at all. They have

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no concept of spirit realm

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stuff.

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They're going to think these people are really

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weird.

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They got a spirit inside them.

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I do.

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There's me in this temple.

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There's a holy spirit in this temple.

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And hopefully that's it.

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I don't want any other spirits

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in this temple with me.

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Hopefully that's it.

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But just the thought of salvation

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is

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very supernatural.

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When you put it into the natural

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mind

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and how we think about life naturally

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to get saved, very supernatural.

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You sit in the presence of God

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it will soften your heart. That's

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supernatural.

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You'll leave a service

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or you'll leave a Bible study where the

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presence of God showed up and it just

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feels a little different.

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You're not as ugly as you were

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going in emotionally.

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You're not as harsh. You're not as mean.

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Something softened

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and changed

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inside.

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Maybe it's that spirit thing

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you invited in

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that's doing that.

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Yeah, it is.

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Supernatural.

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And that spirit that you invited in,

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which by the way is the holy spirit,

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is going to talk to you about your sin.

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It's going to talk to you about what you need to start doing that's right.

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And it's going to talk to you about the fact

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don't worry about the demonic realm they're judged.

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Just learn how to live above them.

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Right.

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That is not natural.

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How many people who don't know anything about God

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have that happen?

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At the point of salvation, he'll

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talk to them about their sin.

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But see, that whole thing is

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not natural. Hearing God's voice.

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My mother was

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all disturbed

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because

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our church I

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grew up in

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was trying to have some supernatural

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things happen. And we had some.

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I won't say there wasn't any. We had some.

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But we believe

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that God could speak to us.

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I grew up assembly of God.

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And we believe God could speak to us.

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And one neighbor

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came one day. I remember I was like in junior high

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or something. One neighbor got a hold of

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mom on the phone or came over and talked

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or whatever and she said, I just need to tell

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you that the community thinks

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you're your little cuckoo

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because you say that

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God speaks to you.

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The lady who shared

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this with my mother

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was a Christian all her life.

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She went to the congregational church

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in town. They were good

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friends. And she wanted

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my mom to know, maybe

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you should tune this down a little bit.

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People think you're crazy.

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So in reverse,

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what we're saying is

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the people from the congregational church

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didn't believe God ever spoke to you.

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Because she was in with the community.

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Okay, so now let's go back to a statement

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I made earlier. The anointing

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or the supernatural needs

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to be protected and guarded.

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From who? The church.

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Religion.

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If my mother

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would have gone along

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with that lady's belief system

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she would have stopped hearing

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the voice of God right there.

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If she said, oh,

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well I don't want them to think I'm crazy.

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Well maybe, maybe God

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doesn't speak to me.

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No, you need to protect the fact

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you hear God's voice and you need to

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take a stand on it or you're going to lose it.

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Who are we protecting it from?

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The unsaved?

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You know, do you know what the unsaved ask?

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Really? God talks to you.

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Explain to me.

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What does that sound like?

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Because see, they're inquisitive.

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It's the traditional

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religious bunch of ghosts.

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That doesn't happen in our church.

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It can't be God.

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It's probably demons.

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So you actually believe

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a demon could speak to me but he can't?

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Who's bigger here?

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Hearing Raymond Words or God

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speaking to you specifically about a situation

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you need to believe for.

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Praise and worship. Getting beyond yawning.

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Flipping the page.

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That's not praise and worship.

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That's singing songs

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in a very poor fashion.

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What does Scripture say?

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The day will come Jesus said

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when they will worship me

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in spirit.

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If what we're proclaiming to God

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is not gushing up out of our spirit

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it's not worship.

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Singing words

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is not worship.

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You let the presence of God

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show up and the anointing show up

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all of a sudden praise and worship

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intensifies and something starts

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moving in here.

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And it's like, oh God

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I love you.

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We start getting emotional heaven

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forbid in church.

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That's another thing religion and tradition

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says you absolutely do not do.

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You never get emotional

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in church.

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That one's not in the Scripture either.

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In fact the opposite is in the Scripture.

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Healings begin to take place.

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It just happens.

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Miracles begin to happen. Why?

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Because they're supernatural.

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And we're inviting God

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to be God to us.

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God wants to heal us

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more than we want to get healed sometimes.

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God wants to work in us

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more than sometimes we want

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him to work in us.

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I'll give you a real blunt case of that.

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I had a guy who was going down

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a prayer line. He had a physical problem.

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I knew he was on disability with the government.

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He got a couple thousand dollars

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a month to live because he had a disability

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for this issue. He was standing there.

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I said, what do you need prayer for?

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He said, I want this issue healed.

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And immediately

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the Holy Spirit said, ask him

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this question.

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When you're healed, will you give up your disability

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and go get a job?

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Now, you would think

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the immediate answer would have been, yes.

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Why would I have to do that?

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I said, because then you'd be lying to the government

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because when you got the disability

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you had the problem.

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God's going to heal you of the problem

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you no longer need the financial support

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because you can actually go get a job.

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He said, oh, I never thought of it that way.

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He said, I don't know.

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Maybe I'll think about that.

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Turned around and went and sat down.

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Never did pray for him.

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God wants to heal that man more

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than that man wants to be healed.

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That wouldn't even surprise me.

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It's like, really? Wow.

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Being baptized in the Holy Spirit

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with speaking in tongues,

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do you realize that

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that is supernatural?

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According to Scripture,

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people say, well, it's just gibberish.

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According to Scripture, it's not gibberish.

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According to Scripture, it's a language.

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I can show you three, four places

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in the New Testament where it calls it

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and refers to it as a language.

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It's supernatural.

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Every time somebody speaks in tongues

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something supernatural is taking place.

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They're speaking in a language

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from their spirit that they never learned.

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That's supernatural.

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I just think it's weird.

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Well, if you get into the word

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and read it for what it says,

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well, but our pastor, I don't care

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what your pastor says.

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You know, the ones that

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in Acts that were

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looked at as more honorable

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and noble were the

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which Christians?

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Berean Christians.

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Why?

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Because they went home

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and studied to see

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if what Paul was saying was actually

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true.

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Believe it or not, there's things

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pastors say that are not

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true.

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And it would do us well to study

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and make sure.

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Visions, dreams, knowings.

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This is all

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supernatural stuff.

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Demons manifesting in a service.

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That'll happen.

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That's supernatural.

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That's both sides of our

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work now.

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And you know something else, the bottom one there.

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You get the supernatural going,

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the presence of God moving, religion

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and sin will stir up

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and begin causing all kinds of problems.

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I've had people say to me,

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we don't want revival in our church

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because revival brings division.

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It'll divide our church open.

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And I said, well,

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here's my opinion on that.

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When revival comes, it's going to reveal

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what you already have in your church.

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It's going to bring it right to the surface

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and say deal with this.

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And there's going to be people who are going to say

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I don't want to deal with that, just like the guy

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who didn't want to get healed so he could keep

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his disability.

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You'll lose them.

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But really, is that a big loss?

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They're not going to want to follow

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what God's asking them to do.

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You'll lose some people in revival,

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but you know what? You'll also gain a whole bunch

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who do want it

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and are hungry for it.

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There's an intentional effort

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needed to make either side manifest

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for the demonic

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to manifest ongoing intentional

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willful sin

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by the people, especially the

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leadership.

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Now I'm talking in a church setting.

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If you have division in your church,

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God's not in charge.

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Division is not of God.

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There's demonic forces at work.

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When I grew up,

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I thought it was normal.

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You know, every year at the beginning of the year

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they had their church business meeting

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where

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they show what the finances did

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and give different reports

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and then let the people weigh in on

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what they're seeing and feeling and wanting.

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I thought it was normal

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that

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fights break out at these business meetings.

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Growing up, it happened every year.

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I remember I was in junior high,

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came home from a basketball game.

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They were having business meetings.

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So they said, just walk down the church.

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We'll pick you up after the business meeting.

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Just join us and we'll go home together.

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So I walked in the back door of the church

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and this lady was screaming

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at the top of her lungs.

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I don't remember

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what she was saying.

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She was just giving her

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another business meeting, apparently.

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That's how you let

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the wrong spirit in.

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Because where you find

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strife, you find every

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evil thing, Scripture says.

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If you've got strife in the body,

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you will find every evil thing

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and out of it comes gossip

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and criticism.

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We go home and we talk about the church people

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and we talk about the pastor

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at Sunday meal every Sunday.

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And we decide what's God

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and what's not God.

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That is all demonic.

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That whole thing is demonic.

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Talk about what God

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is telling you and what God

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showed you.

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What God's doing

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in your life.

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What happened to you during prison worship?

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But to eat people up,

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to eat the pastor up,

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show me anywhere in Scripture

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where that's of God.

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That's how you let

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demonic forces get in charge of the church.

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You say, we're a Christian church. Sure you are.

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On the sign.

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But under the surface,

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you've got all kinds of demonic stuff going on.

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And there's an anointing

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and there's a presence that comes with that.

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And when you walk in

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and sit in those places, you know it.

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You can feel it. It's like, holy moly,

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what spirit is in charge here?

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The place gives me the creeps.

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You can feel it.

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Unforgiveness.

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Refusal to repent.

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Unresolved anger.

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Hate. Refusal to change.

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Clinging to dead tradition.

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Religion. All that stuff

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will release the demonic

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in your church, in your home,

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in your life.

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Well, I'm a Christian.

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I just refuse to repent of certain things.

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I wouldn't play that game too long

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because from God's side

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you may lose the, I'm a Christian.

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Refusal to repent

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is rebellion.

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It's direct disobedience.

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You can't be a Christian

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and rebel on God

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and stay that way too long.

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Choose this day

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who you're going to serve.

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And

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you'll let the demonic

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loose in your life, in your family,

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in your house.

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For God's kingdom to manifest

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which? Supernatural.

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Ongoing intentional hunger

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for His kingdom to manifest and rule.

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We have to want it.

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When we had those

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early years and

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hopefully

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I'm hoping that we can

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pull some pictures and videos off

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of we found some stuff from the modular.

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I have to give kudos to my daughter

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for this because she was in the office

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at that time. And she was

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documenting everything by video

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put it on hard drive.

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So we've got some good pictures.

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Jim, you love

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how you look back then.

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I pulled the picture up

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yesterday and I thought

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he was a lot younger then.

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Of course I can say the same thing

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about me. It's the same deal.

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I just look more mature now

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than I did then.

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But she documented. So hopefully next Sunday

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and we're talking about angels stuff

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we can show some of that stuff.

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But there's some rules for the road

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for the supernatural from God's kingdom

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to manifest.

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Did I lose my...

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Let's see if I can get that back.

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I'll have to stop it

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and restart it

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and see if it comes back.

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I want you to see this list.

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We have to pursue the things

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of the supernatural if we want them.

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Ongoing repentance.

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What does it say in Acts?

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Repent so that times of refreshing

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may come.

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Ongoing submission and surrender

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to God. What did Paul say? He said,

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I die daily. There's stuff daily.

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I have to say, okay, God, I'm sorry.

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Forgive me. I will submit. I will surrender

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in this.

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Holding his word is a high standard.

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True love being shown.

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Not artificial stuff.

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We're nice to their...

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We're like a salesman. We're nice to their face

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because we want something from them.

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And when we get away from them,

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we trash them. No, that's not true love.

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Trying to be spirit-led

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in praise and worship and in prayer.

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Willingness of the leadership

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and the people to follow what the Spirit

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is trying to do.

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If you don't have the leadership

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involved in wanting the supernatural,

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it will not happen.

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They will shut it down.

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The people can be as hungry

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as the day is long.

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But if the leadership,

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God works through a structure

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of authority. Just how it works.

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And if they're not in agreement with it, it won't happen.

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Humility, forgiveness,

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true concern for each other.

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If you have leaders who are insecure,

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that's toward the bottom.

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Leaders that are insecure,

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you say, what do you mean insecure?

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I went and spoke at a church.

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I'll just give you the whole story.

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I think I have time to do this.

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I went and spoke at a church. Had a prayer line at the end.

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God pointed a guy out to me who was struggling.

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I pulled him up to the front.

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I walked up to him. He was standing there.

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I said, can I pray for you?

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He came out and I went up.

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I stood in front of him and I just got pushed backwards.

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Just stepping into his presence.

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If I wouldn't have stepped back,

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I would have fallen over backwards.

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I said, man,

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you got a spirit of rejection on you.

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It pushes people away from you.

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It doesn't let people want to get close to you.

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I said, do you have trouble getting

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close to people? Do people leave you?

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Do they betray you?

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He said, oh, man, all the time he starts crying.

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I stepped into his presence.

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It would have knocked me over.

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It was emanating out so strongly.

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I said, do you go to this church?

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He said, yes.

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I said, pastor, come join me

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because this is not going to be a one-time affair.

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This is going to take some time.

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We're going to pray with him,

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but there's going to be some mind renewal things

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going to have to happen.

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Come pray with me,

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and I stepped into his presence

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this, that, and the other. We prayed for him, etc.

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That was Sunday morning.

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Sunday night, before service,

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pastor pulled me to the side

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and he said, you know that praying

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for people and stuff like you did this morning?

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We're not going to do that here.

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I said, really?

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Nah, it...

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he had some kind of lame excuse

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and I could tell by the look on his face

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this was

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how would you say

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beyond what he normally operated?

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And he didn't

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to and to in my mind

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he didn't want to look bad to his people.

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Like, here this guy comes in

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and all of a sudden there's supernatural stuff happening.

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What's wrong with you?

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He didn't want to take that chance.

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So he just squelched it.

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He said, you can speak tonight.

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He said, we're not going to do this praying for anybody

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and don't call anybody out and blah, blah, blah, blah.

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If the leadership

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does not want

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the supernatural

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could even be because they're insecure

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and how they operate in it.

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It won't happen. He just shut it down.

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Sometimes you have to bind and loose.

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If you get into

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some of these churches that have

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a lot of demonic activity going on

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as the leadership

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and as the pastor, you're going to have to

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end that

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and loose the heavenly

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realm to be free in that service.

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Or it don't make any difference

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if you believe it or not. The demonic

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will keep that place locked

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down.

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Keep it locked down.

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I got all kinds of stories I could share

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but I don't have time.

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When these things

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become the norm in a church

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or in a meeting

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angels begin to operate

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and fulfill God's word

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being pursued.

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Those things. Ongoing

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repentance, submission, surrender

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allowing ourselves to enter

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into praise and worship more than out of our head

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but coming out of our heart.

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And you know these are just

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some of the things, not all of them.

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When they become the norm

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the supernatural begins to operate.

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It doesn't happen right away.

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Sometimes there needs to be

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ongoing pursuit and hunger and desire.

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You have to chip away at things sometimes

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but it will come. You say why doesn't

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every church have it happening?

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They may

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have not been taught it's possible.

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There are certain denominations

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who don't believe in the supernatural

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operating at all even though they get

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people saved but they don't see that as

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supernatural apparently. I don't know.

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It could be just a plain

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honest I didn't know we were

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supposed to kind of thing.

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People don't

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want the supernatural.

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Why wouldn't they want the supernatural?

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Because it's going to expose

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their attitudes, division,

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strife, gossip, criticism.

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It's going to get called out.

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I've been saying this more lately

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to our staff and to our board.

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We don't do division here.

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We won't do it.

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We won't do it.

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Because the presence

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of God will lift. He does not

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operate where there's division. I said

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we don't do it. I said I'll call people out.

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You said

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why were you telling them that?

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Because people will come to me

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and say do you know so and

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so said this about you or the church?

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And it's bad.

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No, I didn't know that.

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I'm going to want to go talk to them.

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Will you verify that

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they said that? Oh no,

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no, don't involve me in this.

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Well now how am I supposed to go talk to them?

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You need to grow some gonads and stand up for what's right.

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And not take this wimpy way out.

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Especially if you're in

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leadership at word of life. Is there

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stuff going on that is in that

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list and

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you don't have the gumption

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to say no, we're not

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doing that.

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Well your head's going to be on the chopping block

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for leadership too. We're not doing that stuff.

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We're not going there.

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And if somebody's got a problem

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with me they should come talk to me.

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And if they don't I find out about it.

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I'll go talk to them and I'm expecting you to go

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with me because hopefully you take a stand

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for the truth also.

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Well I might lose a friend.

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Well, we lose a friend.

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At least we won't lose the anointing.

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They might be my friend too.

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People love you until you tell them what

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they're doing wrong.

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And you find out if you're their

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pastor or not.

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Let's go back down to where we were.

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That went deep real fast.

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The leadership doesn't want the supernatural.

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Again, reasons up above.

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Fear.

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Fear of the unknown. Fear of something new.

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Fear of it being demonic. Fear of it getting weird.

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Let me talk about it getting weird a bit.

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And these are all fears.

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When you talk to people who don't under...

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They might be Christians, especially Christians

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who don't have any experience

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with the supernatural.

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Those are the first four that usually come up.

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Not always in that order.

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But those are the first... oh my.

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We've never heard of that before.

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It's something new.

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It could be the devil.

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Well, yeah, anything that's supernatural

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has to be the devil.

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Well, what's going to happen?

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Fear of the unknown.

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We just don't want anything to get weird

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because the Scripture says everything

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should be done decently and in order.

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Well, I agree with that.

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But decently and in order,

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in whose opinion?

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Is this God's opinion?

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Or is this our opinion?

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Because if I'm asking all of you

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what decently and in order means,

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I'm going to have 20, 30 different definitions.

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He will have one.

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And His always centers around

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the moving of the Spirit.

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Whatever the Holy Spirit wants to do,

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that's decently and in order.

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You say, but it gets weird sometimes

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when the supernatural happens.

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Oh, I'm there with you. I'm first one to agree with that.

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And that's why I get the big paycheck

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because I'm the one who is responsible to shut that down.

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That was a joke.

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I think this side got it, but I'm not sure that side did.

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I don't want to do it on the table.

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I'll do it on the platform.

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When I was growing up until I was probably junior high,

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we did not have air conditioning

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in the church, so in the summer, the windows were open.

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And there were times

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the Spirit of God began moving

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and you could sense it in the atmosphere.

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And there was two grandmas

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and I don't know where they learned this from,

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but they would turn around,

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kneel down by the bench.

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It was a wooden bench and they would start doing this.

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Now that's weird.

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We had people from the town

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saying, what is going on in there?

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Because, see, the windows were open.

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One guy said to my dad,

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it sounds like you people are hurting cattle.

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You say, what was the problem with that?

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Well, first of all,

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the supernatural goes awry

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when the flesh gets going

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or the demonic gets going.

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I was too young to know in that case

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was that demons and torment?

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Or was that their flesh?

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They don't know what to do with this presence,

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so they sought some place

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or whatever,

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and they'd get going, man.

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They'd go for five, ten minutes.

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And I was like, as a little kid,

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it was just like, I don't know,

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I didn't know.

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It's not my responsibility.

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I'm a little kid.

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But you know what?

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Our church never grew

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till those two women died.

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Wow.

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New people would not come

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because if new people came and that happened once and...

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They didn't even wait for the end of the service.

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They just win.

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Now, whose fault was that?

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That was Pastor's fault.

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We didn't have any pastor

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who had the guts

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to deal with that

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because he was afraid of losing his job.

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You know what Scripture calls that?

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A hireling.

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You've been hired, Jesus said it in John 10,

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you've been hired to do a job,

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but you're not a shepherd

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because a shepherd will lay

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his life down for the sheep.

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Go ahead and fire me.

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But this craziness

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stops.

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Yeah, but you're going to hurt all the relatives

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and they'll all leave. Well,

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they're going to have to make that choice.

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But this craziness stops.

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It cost me my job.

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Well, it cost me my job.

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But I'm not going to stand before God

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and he says, what in the world

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were you thinking, man?

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It can get weird.

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So over the years

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I've come to draw a line in a place

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when it comes to weird.

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Of course,

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some of the things up there

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I had listed, the average Christian

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who knows nothing of the supernatural

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thinks is weird.

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Go to any

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church within 10 miles

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and I'll bet you

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8 out of 10 of them this morning

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if you would stand up during their praise

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because everybody sits

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till the last song with the last chorus

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could we all stand.

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Okay?

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While they're sitting, you get up

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and raise your hands and say, God, I love you.

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I worship you. Just say it out loud.

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8 out of 10 churches may be more

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in this area.

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We'll think you're weird.

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Weird is all in the mind of the observer.

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That's right.

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However, there are some things

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that God observes and he thinks are weird.

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Yeah.

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And it's our job not to let that happen.

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Like pounding on the bench

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and screaming.

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That you could just,

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you know, the presence of the Lord that was there

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I was in junior high when they finally

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drifted away.

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But by that point I was aware of the presence

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and you could just feel it lift

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when they would start their antics.

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You could just feel it lift.

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And it's like somebody needs to stop that.

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Somebody needs to, even in my little head

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I was going, that's not right.

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Something's wrong here.

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But it took care of itself

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in its own way.

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But

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where I draw the line

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is here.

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And this is one of the things

01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:03.560
that we all need to learn because

01:00:03.560 --> 01:00:06.140
the end of Hebrews chapter 5

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says by exercising

01:00:07.860 --> 01:00:09.120
our senses

01:00:09.120 --> 01:00:10.960
we learn to discern

01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:12.140
good from evil.

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So it takes practice.

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We have to learn to do this.

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But if it

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if it starts feeling

01:00:21.100 --> 01:00:23.180
in my spirit like it's flesh

01:00:25.260 --> 01:00:27.520
it needs to eventually be dealt with.

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Maybe not immediately

01:00:29.020 --> 01:00:30.680
depending upon how weird it is

01:00:31.220 --> 01:00:32.800
because we're not out to hurt people

01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:33.640
and embarrass them.

01:00:33.980 --> 01:00:36.320
But at some point you're probably going to have to talk to them and say

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yeah, I'm not there with you.

01:00:40.120 --> 01:00:41.340
Something don't feel right.

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And the other thing is

01:00:44.080 --> 01:00:46.440
if I can find it readily in Scripture

01:00:46.940 --> 01:00:47.720
I'll go with it.

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If it's not readily in Scripture

01:00:50.780 --> 01:00:52.500
I'll back away from it.

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You say, why would you do that?

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Well, the primary reason

01:01:01.150 --> 01:01:02.510
is I don't want things to get weird.

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I want the real deal.

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I want the real God manifesting.

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And I'm not saying that some of the things

01:01:10.890 --> 01:01:12.210
that happen are not

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scriptural. I mean are not God.

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I don't see them in Scripture

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but they still could be God.

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So now you have to

01:01:20.810 --> 01:01:21.830
measure that with

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your spirit.

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What is God telling you?

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What is the presence?

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What happens in the atmosphere when they do that?

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Because the spirit of God

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when it's not him

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he'll just lift.

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He'll just back off.

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So did the spirit of God just leave the place?

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Or did it get stronger?

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What's going on?

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But we do have to

01:01:47.250 --> 01:01:48.930
measure so it doesn't get weird because

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we're all learning number one. Some people like

01:01:50.950 --> 01:01:52.990
attention, number two. Some people

01:01:52.990 --> 01:01:54.990
don't know what it's like to hear the spirit of God

01:01:54.990 --> 01:01:56.770
and they just go with their flesh. They get excited.

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So we have

01:01:59.270 --> 01:02:00.310
to guard for that.

01:02:01.570 --> 01:02:02.950
But if it's not in the Word

01:02:02.950 --> 01:02:04.810
you're not going to hear me promoting it very much.

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It happens.

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I think we have some pictures of it at the modular.

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We had Glory Dust show up.

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It is really hard to find that in the Word.

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There are some Scriptures

01:02:15.370 --> 01:02:17.210
you can find that are like, maybe.

01:02:18.810 --> 01:02:19.410
But it's

01:02:19.410 --> 01:02:20.590
really hard to find it.

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But yet I know it was God.

01:02:26.010 --> 01:02:26.430
When

01:02:26.430 --> 01:02:27.410
Ari was a baby

01:02:28.670 --> 01:02:30.010
and Mary and I were

01:02:30.010 --> 01:02:30.610
in Duluth

01:02:31.830 --> 01:02:34.030
discussing whether we should adopt her or not

01:02:34.030 --> 01:02:34.790
we're sitting at

01:02:35.450 --> 01:02:37.230
we're in this motel. We got a good deal

01:02:37.230 --> 01:02:39.090
at this motel that has the circulating

01:02:39.910 --> 01:02:40.890
restaurant at the top.

01:02:41.270 --> 01:02:43.130
I don't remember the name of it but what a

01:02:43.130 --> 01:02:43.550
radicent.

01:02:44.330 --> 01:02:46.150
So we're sitting in that circulating restaurant

01:02:46.150 --> 01:02:48.510
discussing what do we do with this?

01:02:48.630 --> 01:02:49.830
Are we supposed to adopt her or are we not?

01:02:49.970 --> 01:02:52.210
We're sitting eating and Mary says look at her.

01:02:52.970 --> 01:02:53.550
And I looked.

01:02:54.450 --> 01:02:56.230
The whole side of her face

01:02:56.230 --> 01:02:58.610
was covered with an oil and Glory Dust.

01:02:59.410 --> 01:03:00.950
Glory Dust looks like

01:03:02.010 --> 01:03:02.410
glitter.

01:03:04.890 --> 01:03:06.970
So Mary took a napkin, wiped it all off

01:03:08.050 --> 01:03:09.150
showed me the napkin.

01:03:09.350 --> 01:03:10.430
Nothing on the napkin.

01:03:10.430 --> 01:03:11.110
Totally disappeared.

01:03:13.210 --> 01:03:13.450
Huh.

01:03:13.690 --> 01:03:15.250
We keep eating.

01:03:15.810 --> 01:03:17.370
Didn't take five minutes to look back at her.

01:03:17.470 --> 01:03:18.730
Her whole head was covered

01:03:19.530 --> 01:03:21.350
with like an oil and just glitter.

01:03:21.490 --> 01:03:23.430
Gold. Just glittering.

01:03:25.170 --> 01:03:26.750
And Mary wiped it off again.

01:03:28.990 --> 01:03:30.290
Nothing on the napkin.

01:03:31.390 --> 01:03:32.290
That's supernatural.

01:03:34.050 --> 01:03:34.870
That's God

01:03:34.870 --> 01:03:36.190
weighing in with a sign.

01:03:37.370 --> 01:03:38.230
And a wonder.

01:03:39.390 --> 01:03:40.470
And a wonder is always

01:03:40.470 --> 01:03:41.330
something that makes you go,

01:03:41.450 --> 01:03:42.570
I wonder.

01:03:47.450 --> 01:03:47.950
But

01:03:47.950 --> 01:03:48.910
that was God weighing in.

01:03:49.610 --> 01:03:50.410
Saying what

01:03:50.410 --> 01:03:52.810
his thoughts were on the situation.

01:03:53.370 --> 01:03:54.510
Can you find that in Scripture?

01:03:55.670 --> 01:03:56.390
Boy, it's hard.

01:03:56.730 --> 01:03:57.730
There's some

01:03:58.390 --> 01:04:00.390
maybe references to it in the Old Testament.

01:04:00.850 --> 01:04:02.530
But it's hard to find in Scripture.

01:04:03.070 --> 01:04:04.590
So it's not something we promote.

01:04:05.850 --> 01:04:07.110
Because when somebody says

01:04:07.110 --> 01:04:08.030
hey, show us that in Scripture.

01:04:08.250 --> 01:04:08.890
It's like...

01:04:10.090 --> 01:04:10.890
That one's hard.

01:04:12.250 --> 01:04:13.970
But I tell you what, if it shows up

01:04:15.190 --> 01:04:16.110
what are you going to do with it?

01:04:17.810 --> 01:04:18.990
Now you have to measure it.

01:04:19.050 --> 01:04:20.290
You have to weigh it. Is this God?

01:04:20.410 --> 01:04:21.010
Is this not God?

01:04:22.870 --> 01:04:24.870
And it'll show up and it'll be just be heavy.

01:04:25.450 --> 01:04:26.730
I mean you can just the whole floor.

01:04:26.890 --> 01:04:29.050
We got some pictures of the module. The whole floor is glittering.

01:04:29.790 --> 01:04:31.290
And you come back five minutes later

01:04:31.290 --> 01:04:31.990
it's all gone.

01:04:33.170 --> 01:04:33.730
All gone.

01:04:33.730 --> 01:04:33.770
All gone.

01:04:35.050 --> 01:04:36.790
It's a supernatural thing.

01:04:37.490 --> 01:04:37.970
That happened.

01:04:39.870 --> 01:04:40.670
But yes.

01:04:41.710 --> 01:04:43.630
We try not to let things

01:04:43.630 --> 01:04:45.470
get into the flesh or get demonic

01:04:45.470 --> 01:04:47.310
because then that just becomes a display

01:04:47.310 --> 01:04:48.150
and it gets weird.

01:04:51.230 --> 01:04:53.070
So we try to draw the line there.

01:04:55.410 --> 01:04:56.550
Guarding the anointing.

01:04:56.810 --> 01:04:58.570
It's the church leader's job.

01:04:58.790 --> 01:04:59.990
It's the pastor primarily.

01:05:00.670 --> 01:05:01.730
To make sure

01:05:01.730 --> 01:05:03.590
the Holy Spirit

01:05:03.590 --> 01:05:05.430
is welcome to move.

01:05:06.770 --> 01:05:07.870
We invite

01:05:07.870 --> 01:05:08.610
him to move.

01:05:09.830 --> 01:05:11.570
But we're also not

01:05:11.570 --> 01:05:12.950
going to just

01:05:13.790 --> 01:05:15.770
do whatever comes to our mind.

01:05:16.510 --> 01:05:17.790
Let's stick with Scripture

01:05:17.790 --> 01:05:19.450
and let God reveal Himself.

01:05:20.310 --> 01:05:21.290
And I won't go through

01:05:21.290 --> 01:05:23.710
those three because I want to

01:05:23.710 --> 01:05:24.570
save some time.

01:05:25.150 --> 01:05:27.750
But if you go back through, how do you do it?

01:05:28.210 --> 01:05:29.710
We go back through those lists

01:05:29.710 --> 01:05:30.510
that I gave you.

01:05:32.030 --> 01:05:33.210
And apply that.

01:05:34.070 --> 01:05:34.890
That's how you do it.

01:05:35.750 --> 01:05:37.470
So let me give you some quick examples

01:05:37.470 --> 01:05:38.310
here before we're done.

01:05:40.530 --> 01:05:41.450
Of course

01:05:41.450 --> 01:05:43.150
we've been pursuing this all our life

01:05:43.150 --> 01:05:45.030
so we've got all kinds of examples from Colorado

01:05:45.030 --> 01:05:46.550
that in my opinion don't apply

01:05:47.530 --> 01:05:49.150
because the church is here now.

01:05:49.830 --> 01:05:51.090
So let me start with

01:05:51.090 --> 01:05:53.270
how it started here.

01:05:53.850 --> 01:05:55.650
Where it really, the supernatural

01:05:55.650 --> 01:05:56.910
really locked in

01:05:56.910 --> 01:05:58.610
and started taking hold.

01:05:58.910 --> 01:06:00.030
And I mentioned it to you

01:06:00.030 --> 01:06:02.870
last week or two. It was Father's Day

01:06:02.870 --> 01:06:05.050
June 15th, 2008

01:06:05.050 --> 01:06:06.610
not 19, 2008

01:06:06.610 --> 01:06:08.670
and we were talking

01:06:08.670 --> 01:06:10.750
about revival and the move

01:06:10.750 --> 01:06:12.530
of the Spirit and God moving

01:06:13.650 --> 01:06:14.890
and I

01:06:14.890 --> 01:06:17.050
asked anybody who wanted to agree

01:06:17.050 --> 01:06:18.350
with me on this, that

01:06:18.910 --> 01:06:20.430
the move of the Spirit

01:06:20.430 --> 01:06:22.970
would manifest in the church.

01:06:25.010 --> 01:06:25.410
I

01:06:25.410 --> 01:06:26.370
asked them to come forward

01:06:26.370 --> 01:06:27.830
and I'll pray with them.

01:06:27.970 --> 01:06:30.310
We'll grab hands, whatever. We'll pray together.

01:06:31.010 --> 01:06:32.390
Well the first one up there

01:06:32.390 --> 01:06:33.990
was Heather, Heidi's sister.

01:06:34.930 --> 01:06:36.390
First one up there, she's in line.

01:06:36.790 --> 01:06:38.670
I thought, cool. First one

01:06:38.670 --> 01:06:40.670
boom, I grabbed her, she grabbed me

01:06:40.670 --> 01:06:42.670
and the power of God hit

01:06:42.670 --> 01:06:44.750
both of us. Like I said

01:06:44.750 --> 01:06:46.370
I think it was on the falling under the power.

01:06:46.690 --> 01:06:48.690
It felt like I was lifted up but it went so fast

01:06:48.690 --> 01:06:50.310
it's hard to peg it

01:06:50.310 --> 01:06:51.890
but it felt like I was lifted up a bit

01:06:51.890 --> 01:06:53.450
and thrown over backwards.

01:06:54.250 --> 01:06:56.530
Next thing I know, I'm laying on the floor in my back

01:06:57.070 --> 01:06:58.190
and she apparently

01:06:58.190 --> 01:07:00.670
had the same thing happen because she fell on top of me.

01:07:00.810 --> 01:07:01.670
She's laying on top of me.

01:07:03.490 --> 01:07:04.470
That's when it started

01:07:04.470 --> 01:07:05.390
right there.

01:07:07.470 --> 01:07:08.190
And remember

01:07:08.190 --> 01:07:10.470
I said, first thought that went through my mind

01:07:10.470 --> 01:07:12.510
she's looking at me and I'm looking at her and I thought

01:07:12.510 --> 01:07:13.550
yeah this is weird.

01:07:15.490 --> 01:07:16.210
This is

01:07:16.210 --> 01:07:16.530
awkward.

01:07:19.510 --> 01:07:21.070
But she knew it was God

01:07:21.070 --> 01:07:21.970
and I knew it was God

01:07:21.970 --> 01:07:24.630
and so she rolled off

01:07:24.630 --> 01:07:25.710
and then I got up

01:07:25.710 --> 01:07:27.230
and kept praying with people and so forth.

01:07:28.490 --> 01:07:29.530
That Sunday

01:07:29.530 --> 01:07:30.550
the atmosphere

01:07:30.550 --> 01:07:32.170
in the modular

01:07:32.170 --> 01:07:33.050
changed.

01:07:35.390 --> 01:07:36.790
And I'll tell you

01:07:36.790 --> 01:07:37.470
next week

01:07:37.470 --> 01:07:39.590
what I believe happened.

01:07:41.010 --> 01:07:41.990
I'll give you a hint.

01:07:42.470 --> 01:07:43.630
Open Heaven established.

01:07:45.570 --> 01:07:46.530
It changed.

01:07:47.010 --> 01:07:48.350
We came out of that Sunday

01:07:48.350 --> 01:07:50.030
the next Sunday I told Mary

01:07:50.030 --> 01:07:51.890
I said man the presence of God

01:07:51.890 --> 01:07:53.970
is heavy in here. We got to do something with this.

01:07:54.330 --> 01:07:55.270
So I called Jim

01:07:55.270 --> 01:07:57.930
he said hey let's do a meeting

01:07:57.930 --> 01:07:59.970
in August and let's nurture this.

01:08:00.030 --> 01:08:01.510
In other words let's just make room

01:08:01.510 --> 01:08:02.870
for the Lord to just

01:08:03.790 --> 01:08:05.310
do what he wants to do.

01:08:05.730 --> 01:08:07.470
So we had a week of meetings in August

01:08:07.470 --> 01:08:09.810
and I'll pick up from there

01:08:09.810 --> 01:08:11.530
next Sunday. Move forward

01:08:12.050 --> 01:08:12.490
but

01:08:15.590 --> 01:08:17.210
it's been a lifelong pursuit.

01:08:18.230 --> 01:08:19.350
So the fall of

01:08:19.350 --> 01:08:21.410
2008 after that week

01:08:21.410 --> 01:08:21.890
of meetings

01:08:23.210 --> 01:08:25.330
I felt like we should do a study

01:08:25.330 --> 01:08:27.590
on open heaven. Having an open heaven.

01:08:27.710 --> 01:08:29.090
Scripture speaks of having an open heaven.

01:08:29.170 --> 01:08:30.590
It gives us examples of open heaven.

01:08:30.930 --> 01:08:33.430
And the Scripture also speaks of the heaven being like brass.

01:08:34.550 --> 01:08:35.710
In other words it's hard.

01:08:36.010 --> 01:08:37.570
The prayers don't go through

01:08:37.570 --> 01:08:39.030
it just feels like it's dead.

01:08:39.970 --> 01:08:41.310
There's no life in it.

01:08:42.090 --> 01:08:43.050
So I started

01:08:43.050 --> 01:08:44.630
working on a booklet

01:08:45.290 --> 01:08:46.570
that this one

01:08:46.570 --> 01:08:48.630
on a book I call them booklets but it's a book

01:08:48.630 --> 01:08:50.450
where we studied open heavens

01:08:50.450 --> 01:08:52.370
in the beginning of 2009.

01:08:53.410 --> 01:08:55.530
And I told Jim I'm writing a book on this

01:08:55.530 --> 01:08:56.950
come join us and

01:08:57.650 --> 01:08:58.950
let's see what God does.

01:09:00.030 --> 01:09:01.010
And he agreed

01:09:01.010 --> 01:09:01.690
to come back.

01:09:04.110 --> 01:09:05.050
That meeting

01:09:05.050 --> 01:09:06.990
went for we were

01:09:06.990 --> 01:09:09.030
planning for a Wednesday through a Sunday

01:09:09.030 --> 01:09:10.630
and it went for three weeks.

01:09:10.830 --> 01:09:13.390
Wednesday through Sunday, Wednesday through Sunday, Wednesday through Sunday.

01:09:14.130 --> 01:09:14.570
And

01:09:14.570 --> 01:09:16.470
there'll be some pictures from that next week.

01:09:17.110 --> 01:09:18.630
So that meeting was in January.

01:09:19.870 --> 01:09:21.010
It started in June

01:09:21.010 --> 01:09:21.950
on Father's Day.

01:09:22.270 --> 01:09:24.550
August we kind of nurtured it and brought it along.

01:09:24.630 --> 01:09:25.970
And it just kept building.

01:09:26.870 --> 01:09:27.950
Well in December

01:09:29.030 --> 01:09:30.210
I have the written

01:09:30.210 --> 01:09:32.390
account of a man who had a vision.

01:09:34.130 --> 01:09:35.830
I'm just going to read this to you as quickly

01:09:35.830 --> 01:09:36.390
as I can.

01:09:37.850 --> 01:09:38.950
You won't be bored.

01:09:39.110 --> 01:09:41.810
So if I go past 12, you won't be bored.

01:09:42.870 --> 01:09:43.870
I first would like

01:09:43.870 --> 01:09:45.750
to explain that I am not a pastor, preacher

01:09:45.750 --> 01:09:47.570
or teacher. I am not an extra special

01:09:47.570 --> 01:09:49.490
or better than anyone else.

01:09:49.610 --> 01:09:51.650
I am just a human that was given a vision

01:09:51.650 --> 01:09:53.550
of a small fraction of what God's great

01:09:53.550 --> 01:09:54.650
of God's great glory.

01:09:55.250 --> 01:09:57.870
I pray that I can describe what I saw in this vision

01:09:57.870 --> 01:09:59.730
with exact accuracy to the best

01:09:59.730 --> 01:10:00.450
of my ability.

01:10:01.390 --> 01:10:04.070
The date was Sunday December 14th

01:10:04.070 --> 01:10:05.350
so now it started

01:10:05.910 --> 01:10:07.730
2008 in June, Father's Day.

01:10:08.210 --> 01:10:09.950
It enhanced during that week of meetings

01:10:09.950 --> 01:10:11.950
in August. I'm now

01:10:11.950 --> 01:10:13.430
writing that book

01:10:14.070 --> 01:10:16.150
on open heavens and how do we get it

01:10:16.150 --> 01:10:17.350
and how do we sustain it

01:10:17.930 --> 01:10:20.030
and he gets this vision in December

01:10:20.030 --> 01:10:21.930
we started the meetings three weeks,

01:10:22.090 --> 01:10:23.010
two and a half weeks later.

01:10:24.470 --> 01:10:25.730
He said, I was standing

01:10:25.730 --> 01:10:27.510
at the end of the drive at 3640

01:10:27.510 --> 01:10:29.770
County Road 6. The sign

01:10:29.770 --> 01:10:31.570
to my left said

01:10:31.570 --> 01:10:33.390
word of life. So he was standing

01:10:33.390 --> 01:10:35.770
the word of life signs hanging on the mailbox

01:10:35.770 --> 01:10:37.030
so he was standing to the right side

01:10:37.030 --> 01:10:38.170
of the mailbox in this vision.

01:10:38.830 --> 01:10:40.530
I know where I am. I am at the home

01:10:40.530 --> 01:10:41.850
of Pastor Vernon Mary Pelts.

01:10:42.750 --> 01:10:44.930
That's where the church was in the modular at that time.

01:10:45.630 --> 01:10:47.250
At that time I noticed an enormous

01:10:47.250 --> 01:10:49.170
angel to my right. Its beauty

01:10:49.170 --> 01:10:51.410
was breathtaking. He had long

01:10:51.410 --> 01:10:53.250
hair past his massive shoulders.

01:10:53.890 --> 01:10:55.310
His hair was held in place

01:10:55.310 --> 01:10:57.230
with a large gold band that circled

01:10:57.230 --> 01:10:59.530
his head. The headband

01:10:59.530 --> 01:11:01.390
had a purple stone in the front of it

01:11:01.390 --> 01:11:03.430
and was engraved with a pattern which he

01:11:03.430 --> 01:11:05.270
showed here, just

01:11:05.270 --> 01:11:07.450
the up and down pattern around the headband.

01:11:08.110 --> 01:11:09.550
His face was very muscular

01:11:09.550 --> 01:11:11.230
and commanded respect and authority.

01:11:11.990 --> 01:11:13.450
He stood taller than a

01:11:13.450 --> 01:11:14.470
full grown oak tree.

01:11:15.490 --> 01:11:17.390
He had a large gold staff

01:11:17.390 --> 01:11:18.710
in his right hand.

01:11:19.750 --> 01:11:21.110
His eyes are bright blue

01:11:21.110 --> 01:11:23.470
and it seemed like they could see right through me.

01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:28.720
Feel the atmosphere shift?

01:11:31.280 --> 01:11:31.860
Just...

01:11:31.860 --> 01:11:32.780
Just...

01:11:32.780 --> 01:11:34.560
Okay, let's go to a scripture for

01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:34.840
it.

01:11:35.780 --> 01:11:38.180
The testimony of Jesus

01:11:38.180 --> 01:11:40.100
is the spirit of prophecy.

01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:42.040
Revelation 19.

01:11:43.220 --> 01:11:44.380
Just testifying

01:11:44.380 --> 01:11:45.220
about it.

01:11:46.480 --> 01:11:48.540
Invites the atmosphere to open up

01:11:48.540 --> 01:11:50.120
and do it again.

01:11:51.500 --> 01:11:52.080
Okay?

01:11:52.440 --> 01:11:54.280
So his robes were so if I get a little...

01:11:54.280 --> 01:11:56.100
because I get sappy when I feel the anointing

01:11:56.100 --> 01:11:57.060
so work with me.

01:11:57.540 --> 01:11:59.920
His robes were white with gold trim.

01:12:00.660 --> 01:12:02.060
His wingspan was at least

01:12:02.060 --> 01:12:02.700
40 feet.

01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:04.260
This was a big kid.

01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:07.960
It was hard for me to breathe. I couldn't speak.

01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:09.800
My legs got weak and I fell down.

01:12:11.260 --> 01:12:12.280
The angel picked me up

01:12:12.280 --> 01:12:14.120
but I couldn't stand. I fell down again.

01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:16.000
He helped me to my feet

01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:18.260
one more time. With a smile on his face

01:12:18.260 --> 01:12:19.840
he directed me up the driveway

01:12:19.840 --> 01:12:21.180
to the center of the property.

01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:23.580
As I stood at the center of the property

01:12:23.580 --> 01:12:25.980
I could see the four corners of the property

01:12:25.980 --> 01:12:27.640
and in each corner stood an angel.

01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:30.100
Each of them were the same size

01:12:30.100 --> 01:12:31.740
as the first angel I saw.

01:12:31.860 --> 01:12:33.340
Number one. So he just names them.

01:12:33.740 --> 01:12:35.740
Numbers them. He doesn't name them. He numbers them.

01:12:36.220 --> 01:12:37.840
Number one would have been

01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:39.660
on the northwest corner because he was

01:12:39.660 --> 01:12:41.860
standing looking south. It was to his right.

01:12:42.040 --> 01:12:44.260
So this first one he saw was at the northwest corner.

01:12:44.380 --> 01:12:45.840
There would be one on every corner.

01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:47.620
Angel number two

01:12:47.620 --> 01:12:49.980
stands at the far right corner by the garden

01:12:49.980 --> 01:12:51.240
which is the southwest corner.

01:12:51.240 --> 01:12:53.680
He looks almost the same as angel number one.

01:12:53.820 --> 01:12:55.540
Massive long hair with a gold band

01:12:55.540 --> 01:12:56.480
that circled his head.

01:12:57.140 --> 01:12:58.940
It had a purple stone in front of it

01:12:58.940 --> 01:13:00.760
and was engraved with the same pattern.

01:13:01.460 --> 01:13:02.860
He was armed with a spear

01:13:02.860 --> 01:13:04.020
and a large shield.

01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:07.060
He also had a look that commanded respect

01:13:07.060 --> 01:13:09.300
and authority. Angel number three

01:13:09.300 --> 01:13:11.320
stands at the corner of the end of the dog run

01:13:11.320 --> 01:13:12.580
which is the southeast corner

01:13:13.220 --> 01:13:14.860
right across from the modular.

01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:17.320
He looks almost the same

01:13:17.320 --> 01:13:19.080
angel as number one and two. Very massive

01:13:19.080 --> 01:13:21.360
long hair with a gold band that circled his head.

01:13:21.780 --> 01:13:23.340
It has a purple stone in the front

01:13:23.340 --> 01:13:25.260
and has a large same engraving.

01:13:25.700 --> 01:13:27.320
He has a large breastplate

01:13:27.320 --> 01:13:29.160
shaped like a heart and is decorated

01:13:29.160 --> 01:13:31.740
with large gems of different colors.

01:13:32.180 --> 01:13:33.220
He is armed with

01:13:33.220 --> 01:13:34.320
two large swords.

01:13:35.220 --> 01:13:37.120
And angel number four stood at the corner

01:13:37.120 --> 01:13:38.060
northeast corner.

01:13:39.220 --> 01:13:41.200
He also looks almost the same

01:13:41.200 --> 01:13:42.780
as the others. Massive

01:13:42.780 --> 01:13:44.640
along with long hair with a gold band

01:13:44.640 --> 01:13:47.080
that circled his head and has purple stone

01:13:47.080 --> 01:13:48.580
with each same engraving.

01:13:49.300 --> 01:13:51.020
The one in the northeast corner

01:13:51.020 --> 01:13:53.000
is an archer. Now notice each one

01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:54.260
was armed differently.

01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:57.080
Northeast corner is an archer

01:13:57.080 --> 01:13:58.600
armed with bow and arrows.

01:13:59.280 --> 01:14:01.320
Once again amazed by the breath

01:14:03.100 --> 01:14:04.960
Let me see if I can read it.

01:14:05.340 --> 01:14:06.820
The breath taking beauty

01:14:06.820 --> 01:14:08.940
and splendor. I could

01:14:08.940 --> 01:14:11.080
hardly breathe. My legs

01:14:11.080 --> 01:14:13.060
felt like soft noodles. I fell down

01:14:13.060 --> 01:14:13.720
face first.

01:14:14.620 --> 01:14:16.560
I couldn't move. All I could do

01:14:16.560 --> 01:14:17.680
was just lay there.

01:14:17.980 --> 01:14:19.800
I was awake in bed at this time.

01:14:19.900 --> 01:14:21.140
It was 2.12 a.m.

01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.420
So I got up and got a drink

01:14:23.420 --> 01:14:26.240
and went back to bed. 2.31 a.m.

01:14:27.320 --> 01:14:27.960
Same night

01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:29.880
I was back into the

01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:31.540
vision. I was standing again still

01:14:31.540 --> 01:14:32.660
at the center of the property.

01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:34.380
So it picked up right where he left off.

01:14:35.220 --> 01:14:37.640
I was watching the four angels as they guarded

01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:39.540
the property constantly watching and

01:14:39.540 --> 01:14:41.320
grooming keeping out the demons

01:14:41.320 --> 01:14:42.160
and evil spirits.

01:14:42.860 --> 01:14:45.100
At this time the colors changed

01:14:45.100 --> 01:14:47.520
from what seemed to be normal colors

01:14:47.520 --> 01:14:49.260
of purple and gold.

01:14:50.200 --> 01:14:51.420
It would look like

01:14:51.420 --> 01:14:53.460
a large black light was

01:14:53.460 --> 01:14:55.420
turned on and all

01:14:55.420 --> 01:14:57.240
the colors turned neon and

01:14:57.240 --> 01:14:59.100
different shades of gold and purple

01:14:59.100 --> 01:15:00.900
and they would pulse

01:15:00.900 --> 01:15:03.240
the colors would pulse and

01:15:03.240 --> 01:15:04.020
change shape.

01:15:04.980 --> 01:15:07.100
This is when I saw the openings

01:15:07.100 --> 01:15:07.840
in the sky.

01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:13.520
Then I saw the rest of the

01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:14.940
angels even more beautiful

01:15:14.940 --> 01:15:15.900
than the first four.

01:15:17.260 --> 01:15:18.440
Overwhelmed by the sight

01:15:18.440 --> 01:15:20.320
my legs grew soft again and I

01:15:20.320 --> 01:15:22.020
fell to the ground. Started

01:15:22.020 --> 01:15:23.460
thanking God for what he was

01:15:23.460 --> 01:15:25.860
showing me. Praising his name

01:15:25.860 --> 01:15:27.780
and I was shouting glory, glory, glory.

01:15:29.220 --> 01:15:30.220
Then I heard a voice

01:15:30.220 --> 01:15:31.820
say stand up and it was

01:15:31.820 --> 01:15:34.220
angel number one. He helped

01:15:34.220 --> 01:15:35.740
me up again and with a smile

01:15:35.740 --> 01:15:37.520
he said we're just getting started.

01:15:37.520 --> 01:15:40.260
And then he returned to

01:15:40.260 --> 01:15:41.340
his spot, his post.

01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:43.760
Angel number one

01:15:43.760 --> 01:15:45.440
pointed to the sky. The sky

01:15:45.440 --> 01:15:47.280
is silky purple with gold

01:15:47.280 --> 01:15:49.560
rips or cracks in it.

01:15:49.980 --> 01:15:51.580
So he's not seeing physical

01:15:51.580 --> 01:15:53.300
now. Well he hasn't been

01:15:53.300 --> 01:15:54.360
seeing physical this whole time.

01:15:54.460 --> 01:15:56.800
But he's seeing the heavens

01:15:57.560 --> 01:15:58.440
rip open.

01:16:01.300 --> 01:16:02.880
Above the house I saw

01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:04.500
two openings. First opening on the

01:16:04.500 --> 01:16:05.840
side of the house where Pastor

01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:07.760
Verne's office is. It was very

01:16:07.760 --> 01:16:09.180
bright and extends from the ground

01:16:09.180 --> 01:16:11.420
to heaven. The light is gold

01:16:11.420 --> 01:16:12.360
and it pulses.

01:16:14.120 --> 01:16:15.900
There is an angel that watches

01:16:15.900 --> 01:16:17.760
over that opening traveling from

01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:19.820
earth to heaven in that

01:16:19.820 --> 01:16:21.720
opening. The next opening

01:16:21.720 --> 01:16:23.180
is on the other side of the house.

01:16:23.260 --> 01:16:25.000
It was larger and brighter than the first

01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:26.880
and it extends from the ground to heaven.

01:16:27.620 --> 01:16:29.600
The light is gold again and it pulses

01:16:29.600 --> 01:16:31.720
and there's also an angel that

01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:33.440
guards and watches over this opening

01:16:33.440 --> 01:16:35.200
traveling from the earth to heaven.

01:16:36.380 --> 01:16:37.440
Is there any scripture

01:16:37.440 --> 01:16:38.780
for anything like that happening?

01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:44.460
Jacob's Ladder.

01:16:44.860 --> 01:16:45.660
Thank you.

01:16:46.940 --> 01:16:48.560
Jacob's Ladder. I'll bring that

01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:50.600
scripture next Sunday. One of

01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:52.400
the first things that are different about this is

01:16:52.400 --> 01:16:54.360
there were smaller but brighter light

01:16:54.360 --> 01:16:56.300
that circles the larger one.

01:16:56.480 --> 01:16:58.460
So it was circles of

01:16:58.460 --> 01:17:00.320
light and they grew dimmer as they grew

01:17:00.320 --> 01:17:02.340
away from the light. The next opening

01:17:02.340 --> 01:17:04.400
is a very large one over

01:17:04.400 --> 01:17:06.280
the church. It is guarded by

01:17:06.280 --> 01:17:07.040
four angels.

01:17:07.940 --> 01:17:10.120
The angels are in charge of opening

01:17:10.120 --> 01:17:11.580
and closing this opening.

01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:14.500
This opening does not stay completely

01:17:14.500 --> 01:17:16.360
open like the others. It opens

01:17:16.360 --> 01:17:17.740
and closes with worship.

01:17:19.400 --> 01:17:20.360
I am now

01:17:20.360 --> 01:17:22.260
standing in front of the church building. I

01:17:22.260 --> 01:17:23.680
see the people going inside.

01:17:24.360 --> 01:17:25.400
I can hear the worship

01:17:27.020 --> 01:17:27.620
start

01:17:28.240 --> 01:17:30.220
people praising God and glorifying

01:17:30.220 --> 01:17:31.920
his name. I hear the drums.

01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:34.060
Then I saw the angels

01:17:34.060 --> 01:17:35.920
start to get excited and started

01:17:35.920 --> 01:17:37.940
moving with the beat spreading their

01:17:37.940 --> 01:17:39.860
wings. The angels

01:17:39.860 --> 01:17:41.700
will dance with us and worship

01:17:41.700 --> 01:17:43.160
with us as we worship.

01:17:44.200 --> 01:17:45.540
Got a lot of stories about that.

01:17:46.120 --> 01:17:47.960
Next Sunday. I felt the ground begin

01:17:47.960 --> 01:17:49.920
to shake. The opening started

01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:51.920
to get brighter and wider. I

01:17:51.920 --> 01:17:53.400
could hear the drums get louder.

01:17:54.320 --> 01:17:55.900
The people were shouting praises

01:17:55.900 --> 01:17:57.820
blowing horns and dancing.

01:17:58.260 --> 01:17:59.520
Horns is the shofar.

01:18:00.440 --> 01:18:01.780
The opening is

01:18:01.780 --> 01:18:03.440
very large and gold

01:18:03.440 --> 01:18:05.440
liquid drops

01:18:05.440 --> 01:18:06.340
like honey

01:18:07.280 --> 01:18:09.380
go down from the opening

01:18:09.380 --> 01:18:11.420
through the roof of the

01:18:11.420 --> 01:18:12.760
modular, the roof of the church.

01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:15.500
The louder the drums

01:18:15.500 --> 01:18:17.420
get, for you old

01:18:17.420 --> 01:18:19.580
people, the

01:18:19.580 --> 01:18:21.400
louder the drums get

01:18:21.400 --> 01:18:23.460
the wider the opening

01:18:23.460 --> 01:18:24.340
gets.

01:18:26.360 --> 01:18:27.660
As the opening

01:18:27.660 --> 01:18:29.960
gets larger, more

01:18:29.960 --> 01:18:31.720
angels are sent to

01:18:31.720 --> 01:18:32.240
guard it.

01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:38.440
The heavens are opening.

01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:42.620
There are holes all

01:18:42.620 --> 01:18:44.060
over dripping

01:18:44.660 --> 01:18:45.440
with gold.

01:18:47.380 --> 01:18:48.620
He said, I'm overcome

01:18:48.620 --> 01:18:50.320
with the spirit of God. My legs get

01:18:50.320 --> 01:18:51.780
soft again and I fell down.

01:18:52.820 --> 01:18:54.100
End of what he saw.

01:18:56.460 --> 01:18:58.000
So what do you do with that?

01:19:01.310 --> 01:19:02.150
Oh, my.

01:19:06.850 --> 01:19:08.630
Someone comes and hands that to you.

01:19:08.790 --> 01:19:10.570
After the progression of things

01:19:10.570 --> 01:19:13.190
and then 2009

01:19:13.190 --> 01:19:15.010
we focus on open heavens.

01:19:15.210 --> 01:19:16.390
How do you get in open heavens?

01:19:17.670 --> 01:19:19.350
What do you do to sustain it?

01:19:21.030 --> 01:19:23.090
And God just rips the place open.

01:19:26.330 --> 01:19:27.470
And it's been open

01:19:29.090 --> 01:19:29.910
ever since.

01:19:30.650 --> 01:19:32.110
When we moved here

01:19:32.110 --> 01:19:33.530
we specifically

01:19:34.110 --> 01:19:34.430
called

01:19:35.250 --> 01:19:36.950
those angels to come

01:19:37.930 --> 01:19:39.650
because the church was no longer there.

01:19:39.850 --> 01:19:42.110
We invited them and called them over here

01:19:42.110 --> 01:19:43.290
that first

01:19:44.040 --> 01:19:45.670
2013, our first meeting here

01:19:45.670 --> 01:19:47.910
that's when Jim saw the well

01:19:48.850 --> 01:19:49.950
that we needed

01:19:49.950 --> 01:19:51.590
to pursue and dig

01:19:52.850 --> 01:19:53.470
and

01:19:54.650 --> 01:19:55.990
I'll get into

01:19:55.990 --> 01:19:57.490
those stories next Sunday.

01:19:58.270 --> 01:19:59.830
Those angels showed up here

01:19:59.830 --> 01:20:01.490
and I saw the night they showed up

01:20:01.490 --> 01:20:02.670
the service they showed up

01:20:02.670 --> 01:20:03.590
when they moved over.

01:20:04.430 --> 01:20:06.530
It was an unbelievable sight.

01:20:06.750 --> 01:20:08.970
I wrote it down and I'll read it to you

01:20:10.370 --> 01:20:11.090
next Sunday.

01:20:15.670 --> 01:20:17.510
So there you've got a very, very

01:20:17.510 --> 01:20:19.690
supernatural happening that is Scripture.

01:20:19.950 --> 01:20:21.370
You can look at Scripture and find it.

01:20:21.630 --> 01:20:22.870
You find it in numerous places.

01:20:23.110 --> 01:20:25.090
You find it in Jacob's Ladder.

01:20:25.470 --> 01:20:26.730
You've got the same thing happening

01:20:26.730 --> 01:20:27.870
with the transfiguration.

01:20:29.050 --> 01:20:29.850
Heaven's open

01:20:30.590 --> 01:20:31.990
and things are happening.

01:20:32.870 --> 01:20:34.410
There's, yeah,

01:20:34.630 --> 01:20:36.650
but God wouldn't do that for us. Why not?

01:20:38.330 --> 01:20:38.730
Why not?

01:20:39.670 --> 01:20:40.630
And you know what?

01:20:40.650 --> 01:20:42.150
He wouldn't only do it for us.

01:20:42.630 --> 01:20:43.810
He'll do it for you.

01:20:46.070 --> 01:20:47.190
Every believer

01:20:47.190 --> 01:20:48.590
should be walking under

01:20:48.590 --> 01:20:49.290
an open heaven.

01:20:51.450 --> 01:20:52.570
Nothing restricting

01:20:52.570 --> 01:20:54.570
our access to God.

01:20:55.570 --> 01:20:57.390
And for that to happen

01:20:57.390 --> 01:20:59.230
angels are spirits

01:20:59.230 --> 01:21:01.730
sent to minister to us.

01:21:01.870 --> 01:21:03.630
For that to stay open

01:21:03.630 --> 01:21:05.190
He said it in there.

01:21:05.710 --> 01:21:06.990
You have to have

01:21:06.990 --> 01:21:09.110
angelic protection to keep that open.

01:21:09.370 --> 01:21:10.890
So angels become active

01:21:11.530 --> 01:21:13.090
when an open heaven

01:21:13.090 --> 01:21:14.270
forms over you.

01:21:14.470 --> 01:21:16.890
You have now angels going up and down

01:21:16.890 --> 01:21:18.430
keeping and guarding

01:21:18.430 --> 01:21:20.530
that open heaven.

01:21:25.490 --> 01:21:26.590
I've never heard

01:21:26.590 --> 01:21:27.610
of anything like that before.

01:21:28.510 --> 01:21:29.570
I hadn't either.

01:21:32.630 --> 01:21:34.690
But yet, after that

01:21:34.690 --> 01:21:36.310
the presence and the power

01:21:36.310 --> 01:21:37.570
of God showed up

01:21:39.670 --> 01:21:40.190
unbelievable.

01:21:42.370 --> 01:21:42.790
Unbelievable.

01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:48.780
So when we talk about

01:21:48.780 --> 01:21:50.600
angels, I thought, well before

01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:52.480
we go into all the things Jim's seen

01:21:52.480 --> 01:21:53.200
a bunch of stuff,

01:21:54.120 --> 01:21:56.200
Julie has seen quite a bit of stuff.

01:21:56.480 --> 01:21:57.660
I've seen quite a bit of stuff.

01:21:57.660 --> 01:21:59.400
Others of you, some of you haven't

01:21:59.400 --> 01:22:00.960
shared it with me, but I know others

01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:01.960
have seen stuff.

01:22:02.480 --> 01:22:04.300
And we'll start with the modular and then

01:22:04.300 --> 01:22:06.060
we'll talk primarily about this building

01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:08.860
and what goes on in this building

01:22:08.860 --> 01:22:10.300
on a continual basis.

01:22:12.220 --> 01:22:13.440
We're going to talk about that

01:22:13.440 --> 01:22:15.300
but I thought, unless we talk about

01:22:15.300 --> 01:22:16.820
the supernatural, if we just jump

01:22:16.820 --> 01:22:18.820
straight to that, that could sound

01:22:18.820 --> 01:22:19.360
really weird.

01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:21.900
Because there's going to be some stories

01:22:21.900 --> 01:22:22.620
that are going to stretch you.

01:22:25.280 --> 01:22:26.420
They're going to stretch us

01:22:26.420 --> 01:22:27.700
a little bit and that's okay.