All right, let's begin.
This morning I'm looking for a couple three things to be laid out.
We're here to make...
I'm going to say we're here to make the final decision on what we're doing with the building.
Once we're... once we get rolling,
it's going to be difficult to reverse course,
especially once they start digging in the ground next spring,
then it's... then we're all in.
But even in the next month or two,
it's going to be very difficult to reverse course
because a lot of things come into play
before they actually throw a shovel at the dirt.
How many listened to the covenant partner meeting from last week?
If you... not from last...
Yeah, let's start with last week.
From last week, if you were not here,
did you get a chance to listen to it?
Okay, so you're kind of up to running speed.
How many listened to the original one
that I had sent a text out concerning?
Okay, few of you.
Because it ties into what we're going to talk about this morning.
You know, we could talk about a thousand directions on this thing.
And should we, shouldn't we, etc.
Which, when it comes right down to being spirit-led,
they all have a little bit of merit, but not much.
The main question we have to answer is,
did we hear God or did we miss Him?
Because if we heard God,
it doesn't make any difference if the rest makes sense or not.
It's... that's how it works to walk by faith.
In fact, most time it doesn't make sense.
It's like, I can't see this working at all,
but God told me to do it,
so let's put one foot out in front of the other
and let's see what happens.
And just believe God.
Because if we get into,
how will we afford it?
What payment plan are we going to make?
All that's going to do is induce doubt.
Because I'll say right from the beginning,
this project, from my perspective, is without God,
this is impossible.
And I'll even go to this point.
Without God,
this is going to leave egg on my face
at the last end of my ministry.
But with God,
all things are possible.
So the main question we need to discuss this morning is,
is this God or not?
Because to go into sense and reasoning,
Scripture tells us that if you enter into sense and reasoning
without the Holy Spirit, you're into demonic stuff now.
And I don't want to make a decision on a church building
based on demonic input.
So we're going to open to input from the Covenant partners,
and I believe time will afford,
so I'm just going to keep rolling here.
I want the board members to weigh in on this,
and I'm going to have them do it individually
on what do they feel God has told them.
And that's going to be the theme coming out of what I just said.
The real decision we have to make is,
have we heard God or have we missed Him?
And if we've heard God, well, then God will make a way.
You know, we sing the song,
God will make a way where there seems to be no way
until we have to do it.
And then it's like, I think I'm out of this.
So it's like, well, did we hear Him or not?
Because if we heard Him, He's going to do it.
If we didn't, well, then it'd be good to put the brakes on right now.
So I'm going to ask the board members
to come one at a time, weigh in on this.
Dean, you want to be the first one to lead in on this.
And then as he's done, guys, just follow your way up here.
Good morning.
Good morning.
On Thursday morning, just in my quiet time,
give me a second.
This is what I felt God say,
I am invoking covenant with you, the body.
You have the right to ask of me anything.
Sorry, this is...
as do I have the right to ask of you of anything.
It's all done from the position of faith
for I am pleased by faith.
So what I felt he's asking of us,
this is our Abraham Isaac moment.
And he told me, or the feeling I got from this,
that we were not to look at this in a way
where we were going to come out on the crappy end of the stick.
We... God's nature is not one of
He is El Shaddai. He is all-sufficient.
Whatever you feel God's asking you to give,
we will not come out on the crappy end of the stick.
That's not his nature.
His nature is do it and be obedient.
Now for the record, I did look something up.
This is God's worth, at least from a scriptural standpoint.
He's worth $600 trillion, minimally.
That is the wealth in this world.
And the Bible says that he owns all of it.
Well, he's asking us for $3 million to start.
He will see this through.
He will see this through.
He's asking us for a small portion
and he's asking for us to be obedient with it.
And if we will be obedient, we will not come on
on the crappy end of the stick.
And just by watching that video at the end of times,
if we go into some of the stuff that the one prophet said,
this is going to be what survives us.
This will be how we will survive
because this is an exchange.
We go to God with our need.
He's coming to us with his need.
Now, I had a quick story, pastor, if I can share it.
In the early 2000s, I was living out in Salt Lake
and there was a family issue that came up.
And my dad called me and it had to do with the legal matter.
And he asked me to give him to it.
Now, had anybody asked me anybody else other than that,
I would have probably resisted it because dad asked me.
It was, it had weight to it.
Oh, my God, father is asking us of something
and it's weighty and it's powerful and it will change us.
It will make covenant with our God.
Dad is what I feel God's asking of us
and it's ours to obey.
It's ours to obey.
Good morning.
I agree every word of that. That's awesome.
The Lord's been telling me since the beginning of this
to keep moving forward that
He's given us an opportunity to build
and He will fill it. It was one of the prophecies
I believe it was Pastor Vern.
And I think we would be short changing ourselves
to start questioning that
because it wasn't just a matter of just filling a small building.
It's a matter of whatever we build, He would fill it.
And that really resonated in my heart as far as
we're doing this thing and God says He would fill it.
And so with that, sometimes it's hard to understand for me
and maybe you too, sometimes it seems crazy
but like Pastor just said too, that's how God works.
I mean, a lot of times it doesn't agree
with what the world is doing.
It doesn't agree with our minds and our thinking.
But that's where it takes the faith
and the trust to step out and do it
and to be obedient with it.
When I take time and I enter in with the Lord
in quiet time and so on,
sometimes I feel like, well, let me back up,
sometimes when I'm not doing that at the moment
I can start rationalizing my head
and that's when it seems crazy and that's when it seems weird
but when I take the time and you get before the Lord
and it gets quiet and you start hearing His heart,
man, there's an doubt.
You know, it all comes clear
that we're not just doing this
so that we can say we have a big building
or we go to this big church
or we're doing this for future generations.
This isn't something that you just
think it's going to be great to have this.
It's more of thank you, Lord.
We have the opportunity to be used by you
in a way that's going to touch the community.
It's going to touch the areas of the Princeton and Cambridge
and it will change everything.
It will change the regions up north.
We've already made a difference, you know that?
And all the things that go on,
maybe you're not participating
but you're part of this church, you're part of the body,
so that means you're part of what's going on.
And when I say that, you got to start
feeling that you are a part of this body.
So how are you contributing to that?
How are you going to make a difference in this?
Because you're part of it.
You know, whether it be prayer,
whether it be what you're doing,
whether you're out there doing things for it,
laboring, it doesn't matter.
You're part of the body, so therefore
be a part of the body in this whole thing.
Don't think you're just mediocre
because you can only give a little bit
or do this or, you know,
you're out on the outskirts, but you're praying.
You're all part of it.
So enter into is anointing
when you start feeling the doubts
when you're thinking it.
Enter in and take time to hear
what God's wanting to do in your heart.
Corey Tenboom wrote this
and I thought it was really good.
The wonderful thing about praying
is you leave a world where you're not
able to do something
and you enter into God's realm
where everything is possible.
He specializes in the impossible.
Nothing is too great
for his almighty power.
And I thought that was awesome.
I mean, she had been through so much
and yet still had that faith
to put that out there.
Matthew 1926.
Jesus looked at them and said,
with man this is impossible,
but with God all things are possible.
The key is with God.
So when I think of the building
and the project,
the thing that comes to me
first is always the fleshly
three million dollars.
Wow.
And that's only the first phase.
And God has been reminding me
specifically of David.
I think Dean posted some stuff
about David.
David contributed 100 metric tons
of gold personally to the temple.
But the people contributed
130 metric tons.
That every building
is built by bricks.
It's not just one big edifice
that's stamped down.
God doesn't build things.
He doesn't build churches
on one person.
He builds churches and buildings,
a brick at a time, one piece at a time.
And so God's been
helping me shift my focus
from where are we going to get
that brick and that brick
and that brick to
where is this going
once we all work together,
once everybody contributes,
once we get this and God starts moving
and building foundation on foundation
and layer upon layer upon layer
is this is going to be
a landing pad where God
can reach Minnesota
and this country
and reach out of Minnesota
to the world.
This is a church that's not built
because we wanted a big building
with our name on it.
This is a church that is
necessary
to provide
the resources
and the starting point
for a fire that's going to burn
through this entire
state, country, and world.
And if we end up
with the big names
of the big revivals of the past
and all the names that we all know,
fine.
But that's not the point.
The point is
we do what God has asked us to do
one at a time,
a little bit at a time, $100 here,
$50 there, and pretty soon
we're going to have a building
that has nothing to do
with the cost.
It's everything to do with the benefits
of what God's going to use it for
our little effort here.
And God's going to magnify that
and multiply it
and save souls
and rescue people and deliver people.
And that's really what it's all about.
The rest of it is just
the mechanics
of how you have to build a building.
But
what is being established isn't just
the physical building.
It's the movement of God
that we can
help leverage through this world.
Are you up next?
I keep coming back to
a couple things. One is
if you go back
and look at
all the prophecies, even back to the modular,
there's one core theme that has been
kind of continues to come
and that's that's for the generations.
It's always for the generations.
And we can sit here
and say, well,
we got 180-ish people, whatever it is,
that's a pretty big influence.
But the older we get,
the wider that gets.
Look at Abraham,
Isaac, and that story.
The influence that continues to grow
as the obedience come is there.
So that's a theme that stood out.
But then the phrase, again,
going back to what God has already told us
back from the beginning,
because I wasn't here at the beginning,
but 2008, so four years
after the church started is when we started coming here.
So 18 years.
And it seems like
every year there's a period,
and even from the beginning of when the building has started,
the phrase that keeps coming to me is
where am I going to put the babies?
Like that were just
dwells in my heart, just burns in my heart.
So I come back and look at
what has the Lord told us.
And then other than that, up until this point,
two weeks ago, three weeks ago
we had the board meeting on this topic.
It's just been Lord reminding me of that,
reminding me of that. Nothing
revelatory, if you will.
And then during the board meeting
when we were talking about what do we do with next steps
when we got some of the updated numbers,
I felt the Lord drop something in my heart.
And I wasn't sure it was him, and I told
one person about it,
but I didn't tell Pastor Vernon Mary about it.
And I felt the Lord say,
like, this is your Isaac moment.
I'm like, well, let me look that up.
And I thought I understood a little bit.
And then what happened last Sunday
with Pastor Mary just talked about there?
I'm like, oh. And then it just started to click.
Like, we look at it as
we're giving up our
Isaac, our comforts of
I know everybody.
I can go text Pastor. I can call that.
And I'd be lying, like, if all the
all the natural stuff
isn't settled in me, where I'm like, oh my goodness
we're going to have 800 people and
I'm never going to be da-da-da.
Like, I'd be lying if that's settled in me in the natural
because that's daunting. That's a lot of work.
But at the end of the day
you've heard everybody else say, like,
are we being obedient? Are we doing what we said?
And if we focus on
what God's calling us to do, then
we either miss God then as
pastors like to say
on what we're supposed to be doing, or we're missing it now.
We can't get to the point of
we're a regional center, we're for the generations
and it's sitting in front of us, and we back up.
That's where I'm at.
I wanted
to just share in one thing, but then the Lord
brought something to my mind as they were talking.
We have
had a summer fest. He always gives us
practice things, right?
And we had a summer fest
was the last one we had that
was more regional than any others
and so many people couldn't make it
and they weren't sure if it hit
a thousand or between eight hundred
and a thousand on that three
day weekend on our property.
So what we're
building, I
have the opposite feeling. It's kind of like
I hope this isn't too small.
Like we have to max it out. We have
to have that upstairs because
I had invited people
were asking me where did all these people come
from? They're from the region and
what was prophesied is they
will come from far near
and they'll come through the corridor
as a victory and we will go to them.
Well, if we stop going to them, they'll stop
meeting us, right? But that's not going to happen.
We've already met
more people and
there's something to that
when they come down here. This is
a regional center. This is not
a church. We have church
in the regional center.
So we have to have that right in our
minds. And so we're going to
affect the region and the region is going to show up here.
I'm hoping we're so packed
out for open heavens with
the region showing up, the people that we've
been ministering to, that
it's going to be hard to fit, right?
So I'm not going to go through and
preach anything, but I just wanted to read how it says
it in Genesis 22.
Remember I said last
week and I didn't have a
I still don't have a full revelation
on all this, where he had
to settle some things with a
bemalek, which a bemalek just means a king
or a ruler. That means
out in the land, he had to settle
some things. We've been working on
settling things in our heart. That'll never
stop. But
that all took place before
Abraham, excuse me, went up
the mountain, which is the high ground.
And then it says after he had all
that settled, the tamarisk
tree was planted. That's a sign
of hope and new beginnings.
I believe this is where we're at.
And we're headed up the mountain
and we have a decision to make.
And right at that point, when he's
tested our heart, now after these things
God tested the faith and
commitment of Abraham.
The faith and commitment. And
that's when he answered the Lord,
here I am, what you heard last Sunday
means the all of me is here.
That's how...
that's what we're deciding
today is the all of me.
We can't sort of decide something, kind of
decide something. It is
we say, here we are.
And the I am is the
all of me, but it's also the whole
purpose of why we're here to begin
with individually and
what he's called this church to.
So I'm all for it. We're in it
to win it.
In the famous words of
Pastor Verne,
there's a couple three things that the Lord has been
putting in my heart.
They're honestly, there is
there's a lot
that's in me that I've been
tracking that the Lord has been speaking.
And I told Pastor, I said
there's a few things that's rattling around
in me, couple three things.
But here is where I want
us, and this is maybe slightly
different than what the other
board members have said, but this is what I want
us to kind of
pay attention to is
the key here is
if we heard God. That's the
key, right?
I want to pay attention
to something that hear
me correctly here, hear me in a healthy
way.
If you track,
I love to do this because I'm a
huge person of
tracking things and seeing
when somebody says that it was
God, was it fulfilled?
If you track
the amount of times that
pastors
have heard God on things and it actually
fulfilling, it would blow your mind.
And I'm not saying we should
base our decision on what
pastors have heard,
but that is a huge indicator
to me
as I'm coming, as my wife and I have
come under somebody,
that is a huge indicator to me
actually cat out of the bag
Matt Bergman is currently working
on all the prophecies that were
spoken in the church on the ones that were
fulfilled, on the ones that are
currently being fulfilled, and
on the ones that are yet to be fulfilled.
What I'm trying to say is if you track
if you go line by line
of the things that pastor,
both pastor Vernon and Mary, have
heard God and then
seen the fulfillment
of it, it will blow your mind.
With that being said, that stirs
faith in me of like, yeah, I can come under somebody
like that.
I can come under somebody like that.
I'll say one more thing and then I'll give the
mic pastor. I've learned this
earlier in my ministry.
If the vision that God
has given you doesn't
scare
you, it's not worth
coming under.
Let me say that again. Let me say that again.
If the vision
that God has given
you does not
scare you, it's not worth
coming under.
I'm going to say it one more time
so it settles in your hearts.
If the vision that God has
given does not
scare you, it's
not worth coming under or developing.
All right.
So there's the
the main leadership weighing in
on this.
I'll weigh in real briefly. I did a little bit
last Sunday. I believe we've already
heard what we're supposed to do
and they kind of all said the same thing.
I believe we've already heard
there's... I went through this morning
just... I thought, well, I'm going to just
number them.
And of the things I've written down
that he said to me and he said more
but of the things I've written down
I have between 30 and 35
different times he's spoken to me
about the building.
So either I am
really, really
deceived
or
we're supposed to do that building.
And it's not just me,
it's the board members. I say,
hey, you guys got to
hear.
The last thing I want is
when we get into it
well, this was Pastor Verne's idea.
I can't
know. This wasn't my idea.
I didn't want anything to do
with this.
I wanted to put up an office. That was
my idea.
But this was not my idea.
And it's not
the board members idea.
I don't believe
it's congregation's idea. This is God's idea.
And
we need to hear what he has to
say on it.
And either we're all really
missing God in the leadership
Brad,
Brady missed God, Calvin and Brian
missed God.
You go down the list. I mean these
people have all missed God. Or
God saying
just obey me and
step out.
And step out in faith.
So I
like I said, I've written 30-35 things
down between 30 and 35
that are
directly applied. And that does not
include what he told us about
the future with the Josephs
anointing when we were in Colorado,
Manasseh and Ephraim.
Manasseh has come. Ephraim we're
waiting on. I believe it's
tied to this building. And
he also
early in the church back there, he
I didn't realize it at the time, but
now I know. He gave me
a dream that laid out the entire
layout of
the church.
And we are now
at
the point of deciding
are we going to do level
7.
And I'd have to go back and
review all that, but
level 7 is
the superimposed over
that just covers everything
in the in the process of where
he's taking us. So my
weighing in is, is I
don't, if you listen to the
podcast, oh, it's going to come. We recorded
it on
Wednesday, I believe.
No, it played on Tuesday. I think it
played on Tuesday.
Where we went to Ephesians 4, Tuesday
or Thursday, went to Ephesians 4, and
Paul said, I'm a prisoner of the Lord.
And then went on
and talked about what that looks
like.
That is a mental attitude.
It's a soul attitude.
And most of the time, the thing that gets
in the way is not our spirit, it's our soul.
It's our head, it's our mind, our will,
emotion gets in the way. And Paul's
soul attitude was, when God asked
me to do something, I don't have a choice. I'm a
prisoner.
There's no choice.
I mean, it's not like, well, let's
debate whether we're going to obey or not.
We can't.
I mean, we can't choose to disobey.
So the question is, did we hear
them or not?
Reducing the size of the building,
human nature tends to reduce
the challenge down to where we can
understand it.
And once we can understand it, then
we can believe for it, which is
actually walking by sight, not by faith.
Why can see that happening? You ever hear
that phrase? Why can see that
happening? See, that's walking by sight, not by
faith. Once you can see it,
now we've reduced it down
to the point of, yeah,
we can make that happen, so now it's
all about us.
Well, we're in a position that's like,
dear Jesus, not only
can I not see this,
I'm...
this is big for me.
It might not be for somebody else, but
for me, this is big.
But
I think the reducing
it down can be tied to fear, can be tied
to pride, can be tied to what if this
makes us look bad, what if it fails,
what if whatever.
Well, if God told us to do it, then all those
questions are answered.
So,
and I agree with Mary, I don't think
we can reduce this down. In fact,
the last
outside piece of information we got
didn't come to me, it came to Mary.
She was talking with
Calvin, and he said I had
was it a dream or a vision?
Vision, he said I had,
we'll go with vision then. I had a vision
and there was a couple things in it he once talked
to us about, but he brought something up to her.
He said, are you guys building?
He said, because I was standing in
your church and this had to be
between 700 and 1,000
seat sanctuary.
Are you building? Are you
building? What are you doing?
Well, it's like, well, there we go
again, outside confirmation
from someone who has no dog
in the fight whatsoever.
So, to me it would be
I think it's to the point
of
it would be disobedience in me.
If at this
point we shrink
back because of fear or
whatever that would
be,
in my heart
that would be disobedience.
Economy
fears.
I can say very
confidently
because this is how I've lived my life.
You know, we've heard that the economy
is going to break since the early 70s.
And
my parents bought stuff and stocked up
on stuff because the economy was
the dollar was going to die. Remember the
day the dollar dies and that whole
thing? This is over
50 years ago. We've been
waiting for this to break.
Here's
my gut level feeling because since then
I've been living under
the thought of
well, what if the economy falls apart
since the early 70s?
Every major decision, what if the economy
falls apart? Maybe we shouldn't buy our
first house because what if the economy falls
apart and we lose it?
Thank God, bought that first house.
So
when it comes to the economy
I think I can say this out of
my experience very confidently
the economy
is not going to fall apart anytime soon
because God would
not ask us to stretch into something
like this that's impossible to
finish because the economy
broke.
I mean, that's just not how he
operates. He doesn't set us up
for failure. He sets
us up for success. And I know
there's all kinds of things going on in the world.
Now, will things change? Absolutely.
Will we go to the digital system? Absolutely.
Will there be
shutters through the economy?
Absolutely.
Is it going to crash and burn
and we're all left
with zip?
I don't know if that's
ever going to happen.
You know, I used to
believe that's going to happen
and the older I get
the more there's a feeling inside
of me of I'm not sure
that's ever going to happen.
So let's take just a
two-minute side trip here.
Here's what is rattling around
in me. What's
starting to catch in me.
One of the major
enforcers of the worship
of the Antichrist is
to accept
the one world
system,
monetary system
that is going to be
used to enforce
the economy situation.
The economy situation is going to
use to enforce worship and
allegiance for the Antichrist.
If the whole
thing
has broken
and everybody
is poor and in
the tank,
what leverage
will the Antichrist
system have?
Well, I'll take away from
you what you have. Why don't
have any things, so go ahead and take it.
See, there's two lines
of predictions. If you're
following the people who are trying to
predict where this is going, there's two lines
of predictions. I was talking, who was
I talking with? Maybe it was Kevin
yesterday. There's two lines of predictions.
One is when this whole
thing shifts, everything is
going to crash. We're all going to be
extremely poor.
Well, if we're already extremely poor
and the Antichrist comes on the scene
and he says, I'm going to take away from you
what you have. We ain't got much, so I'm
not worshiping you so that I can keep
what I have, because I'm already extremely poor.
See, he's got no leverage.
But there is another
line of thinking. The world
is not
just America. We're 40 trillion plus
in debt now. But other
countries around the world are all teetering
on falling.
And the other line of thinking
is this, when they reset
they're going to reset
all the nations of the world
to be prosperous.
And we will
all come, because it's all numbers
now it's on paper, then
it's going to be in the computers. It's all just
numbers. I mean,
there's nothing solid underneath holding
any of this stuff up.
It's all just numbers on a piece of paper.
And we're all going
to come out very well
off, which agrees
with the 2030 agenda
if you go through the points of the 2030 agenda,
that agrees with
the 2030 agenda. The 2030
agenda is not, will break
you by destroying the economy.
That is not what it says.
It's the opposite.
We're going to reset this
so that prosperity
will go through the world.
That's their plan.
It's all
numbers on paper anyway.
They've got to bring the impoverished countries
up
so they'll just give them a whole bunch more numbers
free.
I, in my
gut, am beginning to lean that direction.
Because remember, it was a few years back
the Lord told me he said
in 30 years the Dow will be
at 300,000.
I believed that was God.
In 30, 50 years.
I believe it was 50, not 30, 50 years.
It'll be at 300,000. For the Dow to go
to 300,000, there has to be a Dow.
So I'm beginning to go
toward, you know what they're going to do?
They're going to give
the world an artificial
prosperity.
And then the Antichrist will come and say
and I will take that away if you don't worship me.
Now he's got
Christians between a rock and a hard place.
Much
bigger decision than
I'll break you,
bankrupt you, and then I'll
take away everything else if you don't worship me.
It's like we already
took it.
That doesn't carry water. The other
sides, to me, it carries more water.
So that's side thought come back in.
God wouldn't ask us to do this
if the economy is going to break soon.
I don't believe it's going to break soon.
It's just not in my
gut. In fact, it may go the other direction.
When they reset this and the whole world goes
digital and this, that and the other,
it may turn into a
what they're trying to produce
a prosperous world.
Which, of course, how long will that hold on?
They're propping it up on sticks
and...
but that may be
where it goes.
But to answer the question,
are you afraid the economy
is going to stop us from
building in the middle of it? No.
God wouldn't have told us to do it.
I just...
that's where I'm at.
Last week,
I said what God said to me
about inheritance money or otherwise
just to make that clear,
that's between you and God. I'm just
the carac here. I'm just the one
delivering the message.
That's between you and God, what you do
with your inheritance money. I'm not the enforcer.
Some
questions have come in on that, like 401ks
and property. A lot of times
our biggest asset is
the property we live in
and God is not asking us to
sell our house, live on the street, and give it to the church.
That is not what he's asking.
All those decisions
you have to make between you and God.
But there is a
way that
can be done
put the church in your will.
Do you realize
the average person has never
tied on the depreciation of their
property?
Why bought it for 10,000? It's worth
a million now. And God deserves
the tide on what you just
increased.
Most people
let never even cross their mind.
But yet the scripture
specifically says we tied on the increase.
So put it in your will.
Put it in your trust.
That at the end
X amount goes to the church
of what this thing is worth.
Peel that off the top.
If it's worth 10,000, we'll peel it off.
If it's worth 100 million, we'll peel it off.
That's tied on the
increase.
You don't have to
necessarily pull it out right now
and put it on the table.
I was going to say God is going to
figure this out, which is really a bad statement.
God already has this figured out.
He knows
where this is going. So let's just
follow him.
Pledges, the board talked about it. I personally
don't like the idea of pledges. I brought it up.
The financial institutions like
them, but I don't. So we're going to do
what we did last time and see if we can
slide that through, which is
we had a sign up sheet
where nobody pledged anything. It says
this, we the undersigned in the agreement
with enlarging our in agreement with
the enlarging of the church facility, this
one. We are aware of the fact
the building project is estimated to cost
approximately 10.5 million
when it is complete. That is a turn
key estimate.
They do everything. We do nothing.
We're going to get it down from there.
For instance, this week we're putting in
the lights.
The estimate to get
that done was between 60 and
$70,000 to put in the parking
lot lights.
We're going to do that for
a third of that, maybe less.
So we're going to save
$40, $50,000
just that one little
piece.
So, you know, but that's what they
estimated. So let's just go with what
the general contractor said. Well, if
they're going to do a turnkey operation, this
what it will cost. It's going to cost us millions less.
Because God's
going to do that.
Just the way God works.
We are in agreement
with this building and its phases
and borrowing only what it costs to
finish each phase.
That phase. Our goal is
and that would be...
Well, let me just finish reading. Our goal
is to set up the building debt free so
any short-term
transitional loans for each phase need
to be paid off before we move
to the next phase. I am
also committing to support this project
financially and help see it through to completion.
We've got all kinds
of room for people to sign here.
We're going to do that and see if
the banks will take that for the
line of credit rather than
pledges.
So we have
ten minutes ish.
I want to hear
what the Lord has told
you.
If the Lord has spoken to you about
this project, I want to hear
what he's told you. I don't want to hear
your opinion. I don't want to hear
your questions. Not at this point.
We can talk questions
and opinions and all kinds of stuff later.
We only got ten minutes.
I want to hear what the Lord has
told you. If he hasn't told
you anything, well then
at that point for right now, you don't
have anything to say. Later you do.
We can talk about things later but right now
I want to hear from the people who've heard from God.
Who's first?
And it has to be quick because
we only got about ten minutes.
That's cool.
This was in a vision
last week.
Pastor
Verne was up here speaking
and all of a sudden the Lord
just showed me a vision of a
really wide staircase
that went up to heaven.
And on that staircase
there were two angels
that had come down the staircase
and your face
in that way and there was one
here and one on the other side
but still on the staircase.
And then
they had
white robes with gold trim
on them and
they were each holding a huge
bag of gold coins.
Then came
more angels and
down the staircase and they had gold
bars. And again
they stood on the staircase
behind Pastor Verne.
I had an impression at that
point too that I didn't
add on here that
Pastor Verne was
the mouthpiece for what
they wanted to do.
And
just then
Pastor started speaking
and the Lord said
to pray over our congregation
that our eyes and
ears would be open to any
area known or unknown
of our lives
that there is
that we're blocking the blessing
and abundance of God's
provision for us
personally
individually.
All right.
So Wednesday
I was praying, I really should have
sent this to you because
but anyways
he brought up
Manasseh
Ephraim, am I saying that wrong?
Manasseh and Ephraim, yeah.
And he reminded me that you met
because I wasn't there when that happened
but then he told me that
Ephraim's birth is tied to the
building.
So if the building isn't built
then it won't be born.
If we don't step in faith, Ephraim won't
be born, is that what you...
he brought me to Matthew 16
and I read
he didn't tell me a verse and I read the whole thing
and then what was super highlighted.
Just this part he said I will build my church
you know in the gates of Hades
will not prevail but it was I will build
my church. Awesome.
Briefly, Manasseh
is to forget the toil of your youth
Ephraim is to abound and super
abound
and I'll just tie it to what Nancy
saw. They're standing there with
the provision.
We have to step take the step of faith
or the provision is not given.
That's just how that works.
You're up because
stretching your legs so you got something to say.
You know
I just have to say this that
we were late comers to coming to this church
and almost right
from the very beginning God started
showing me pictures and saying things
and every one of these
I would give to Pastor Vern
and I'd come in and I'd say what do you think?
Huh? Huh?
And I have to share these
because this church has grown
the men have stepped up
I know that there were strong men
here before I know that
but when we just
he started his
dream interpretation God showed
me a
wagon train
and there were probably about 12 wagons
and I thought well this is crazy
we're sitting there he's talking about the dreams
that I'm seeing a wagon train
well then all of a sudden they circled
and that was because
there was enemy
so I told him that
and the Lord also had spoken this word
to me which I gave to him
you're going to have a test
within a test
I had no idea what that meant
okay now we go on
next thing
I'm seeing
When I was reading these men, each one had charge of their wagon, but they were subject to the wagon master.
Then the Lord said to me about, oh, maybe a week later, I'm praying in the spirit that I'm interpreting.
And this is what he said, I'm raising up men who will speak to not a mountain, but a mountain chain, a mountain range.
So, you know, I'm thinking, well, that's good. I said to Ken, I wonder who that's for. So I told Pastor Verne.
Then, about three years ago, he showed me the five tumblers, and you did read that one.
It was the body of Christ, this church, going into a tumbler, and we were being tumbled, and rough edges were being taken off.
Like a rock polisher.
And it worked down to the, finally the last one. We were looking pretty good.
We were kind of polished, and he said, I'm preparing a people for my plan.
They have to be mature, and they have to know my word.
Now, the thing is that when you started talking about eagles, I'm trying to think of the, I had the dates written down.
Look how many eagles he's brought in. Look how many eagles are already here that are rising up.
Now, maybe they were before. But I'll tell you what, he said this to me.
He woke me up. I told you this, Verne. Tuesday night, I went to bed, and he said to me.
I was settling my affairs for the day. He said, who told you to build the church?
He says, whose church is this? Mine or yours?
And I thought, huh, night lord. Next morning, I woke up. First question.
Who, whose church is this at your building? Whose idea was this?
You know, there's a word. Do you remember? Maybe you don't, Verne, when I sent this to you.
Again, I was praying in the spirit, and this word came forth. You're crossing your Rubicon.
I said to Ken, what's a Rubicon? He said, I think they named a car after that a few years ago.
That wasn't the answer. A Rubicon is something that you commit to. You start, and there is no going back.
No going back. George Washington had that going across the Delaware.
Joseph had it. Word of life is about to have it.
And then, remember what I said at the end of our conversation?
Impossible. God says, I am possible.
So this church, I love to think that I would be able to be here to see a lot of it,
but Lord willing, y'all, you never know.
Yeah. Yeah. You have been in preparation all this time.
Last Sunday, I had a, the Lord gave me a vision of the Old Testament example of Moses and the Israelites at the river Jordan.
Moses and Joshua. And they were on the east side of the river and they were going to go across.
And of course, Moses then went up into the mountain. He couldn't pass over because he hit the rock twice.
And I was glad Julie had mentioned that last time, that Verne has not hit the rock twice.
And so this symbolic of Pastor Verne and other, and Igor as our leaders, taking us across,
taking the church here across the river Jordan.
And so when they went across, you know, one of the aspects, there's a lot of things, we don't have time for all of them,
but one of the aspects was that they went around the Jericho six times, actually seven,
but six times they went around and they said nothing.
They said nothing. They were quiet.
Now, I'm sure it would be very, very hard for them to do that, for us to do that.
And here's the warning. Why did God have them be silent?
Because of mumbling and grumbling and saying, what are we doing?
How is walking around this city going to tear down those walls that are there?
And they would have talked themselves out of it.
They would have spoke words like Proverbs 18, 21, death and life are in the power of the tongue.
They would have caused death to themselves.
And so this is a warning here for us too, the same thing.
During this time, be very careful with the words that we have to say as we're walking around six times.
Maybe six levels we're talking about here around the church.
Be very careful what you say, how you say, and who you say it to.
And so that you don't pronounce or speak death to the situation.
But God is able. And on the seventh one, they shouted when they went around.
And that's when they had the victory.
We have time for one more real quick one of someone else.
Okay.
I thought for sure he was going to ask us if I do a pledge.
And he didn't. But I've been asking the Lord all week, you know, what's my pledge going to be?
And I had a number in mind and he gave me a different number that's even less than I thought.
And I go, why would you do less? This is what he told me.
Stay the course. Be consistent. Stay the course.
That's really good.
Because this is going to be a multi-year event.
Even if all the money comes in at once, it's going to take a number of years to build this.
So it's not like, you know, we're going to have an emphasis gain in October for the building fund.
It's not like that is the end.
You know, unless we get $10 million. Well, then it's the end.
You know, it's like, I'm good with that.
But, you know, it's going to be ongoing year after year after year.
So that is very pertinent. I believe you absolutely heard God on that one.
So I just want to get a consensus.
If there's more people who've heard some things, please text me, email me, whatever.
I can just read them and put them on the end of this video.
But I just want to get a consensus.
And please be honest.
Is there, because we can talk afterwards.
Is there anybody who feels we absolutely were missing God?
We should not do this. Anybody.
Because I want to know.
So everybody's in agreement that we need to pick them up, put them down and keep walking.
All right.
Then that's what we will do with that in mind.
We're going to go into praise and worship.